Just look at history--how many atrocities have been justified by saying 'God is on our side'.

If you listen to the speech Kerry gave yesterday in Boston, you'll hear him say that during his travels around the country, he's found the people he visited were "not only great, but *good*".

At first that sounds backwards. But I think what he meant (in his subtle New England way) is that the people who voted for him are "moral" too.

There does seem to be a cultural divide between red & blue states that falls along geographic boundaries. Bad for you is that there are more red than blue. All politicians lie. It's their nature to "massage" the truth.

There is no doubt that morality means different things to different people, and that things are not always as they seem, morally speaking . The Catholic church is a good example, with the child sexual abuse scandals. The priests certainly seemed like fine, moral people, and most of them are, but obviously not all of them.

"if you tell a lie long enough, people will eventually accept it as fact."

Didn't Hitler say that?

They claim to value life and then lay waste to 100,000 civilians in Iraq, so many that they can't even keep count, nor do they even try to or care to. We continue to fight a war that we can't justify in their country, even though the Iraqi people had nothing to do with 9/11. It makes me sick.

"So the question we're left with is"

I know some of these people. They truly do not know. But I think that if they did, they wouldn't believe it. And even if they did, they wouldn't care, because their moral agenda is narrowly defined (abortion, gay marriage, prayer in schools, etc.).

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm

The above link shows what Bush doesn't mention about Iraq..Do a web search to see how many of the Bush staff or appointees ever served a day in the military, or a combat zone..See how many of the right wing radio talking heads ever served..

You cannot imagine how many people vote based solely on abortion. Millions of people who would've loved to vote for Kerry, because of the President's stance on the war, voted to re-elect the president because their conscience wouldn't let them vote for Kerry due to his stance on abortion. Whether you feel this is right or wrong, dems da facks.

Max is right. The moral vote wasn't for George W Bush per se, but rather for the unborn babies. If Kerry would've modified his position, we would've voted for him.

My neighbors are seriously considering moving to Canada or Australia.

Your president seems intent on marching toward doomsday, and taking the whole world with him.

History has shown, time and again, that a backlash usually follows swings in idealogical extremes such as you see under the Bush administration.

I don't see how gay marriage trumps the handling of the war in Iraq.

I am not from America. But I can tell you that this election was followed with interest by just about everyone I know. The fact that another countries presidential election can cause so much of a stir around the world is testiment to America's power. I can also tell you that most of us where not looking to see Bush back in power. I feel great trepidation to have a warmonger back in power.

If I were allowed to vote in America, especially with a moral concience, there is no way I could vote for such a man with those morals. How can he be so opposed to abortion, which essentially can be considered (by those who think this way) to be the death of a person, and yet support death and destruction (aka war). Does each soldier's life mean less then an unborn babies? Should they not both be considered equal?

It seems to me that America has it's priorities wrong (although Howard got back in, so maybe Australia does too). It's just a shame that Bush, who has lowered public opinions worldwide about America, is back in power.

Check out this correlation between average state IQ and voting:

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

I see that RJ is spreading his bogus, discredited information about IQ in the various states in every forum he can. The truth will out, RJ. Snopes says this is false. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp Why would anyone think that a bell curve distribution, like IQ, would show geographical variances of the magnitude listed on that chart? Maybe the gullible would.

Oh, and if you look at Iraq, terror and security as a single issue (and I conjecture they were in the minds of most Bush voters), that was the Number One issue, Rad - not "moral values."