Most people won't need to use this method, but it does have its advantages, such as creating images and doing Copy Drive from the Preinstalled Environment.

See my #14 reply. The Reatogo program has changed.

Instructions for making a BartPE CD which includes the Ghost 9 plugin

Here is the main BartPE (Preinstalled Environment) web page which explains the PE Builder concept, but we will not use this page for making our CD.

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

You will need a WinXP SP2 CD or an i386 folder (containing Windows setup files) in your C: drive . Ghost 9 must be installed on your computer.

If you don’t have a SP2 disc, see AutoStreamer in Step 1 of the following web page:

http://www.reatogo.de/BartPE/FEATURES/BartPE+XPE_in_5_minutes.htm

From the above page:

In Step 2 download “ReatogoPE” (which is   reatogo-313-103-a.exe)

Then click “software plugins with autoHelp” and download the following two files. “Getting_Started.exe” and “autoDriver for disk and network drivers” which is at the bottom of the page (autoDriverBETA-1.exe).

Place reatogo-313-103.exe in the root of your C: drive ie   C:\ reatogo-313-103-a.exe

Double click reatogo-313-103-a.exe and follow instructions. This will create a folder called  “reatogo-313-103-a”    
Delete the file    reatogo-313-103-a.exe

Copy “Getting_Started.exe” to the plugin folder  ( C:\ reatogo-313-103-a\plugin )

Make sure you are on the internet.

Double click    Getting_Started.exe and follow instructions. On the Download autoHelp plugins page,

Type 45,      (x_ghost9)        Enter

Type 38,        (USB+1394)    Enter

The  folder C:\reatogo-313-103-a\plugin\USB+1394_autoHelp opens. Double click !autoHelp_USB+1394.cmd

Close the Wget window.

Open the “x_ghost9_autoHelp” folder.
Double click   !autoHelp_ghost9+dotNET.cmd
Type 1,        Enter
Copy and paste your Ghost 9 serial number,          Enter

Skip the next five paragraphs if you don’t need network or storage drivers.  If you are planning to use a network you will need network card drivers. Then you can write an image to another computer or restore an image stored on another computer.

The easiest way to obtain drivers is to use autoDriverBETA-1.exe which you have downloaded. Unzip the file to your plugin folder. Double click autoDriverBETA-1.exe. Make sure the Detection Mode is Network Drivers. Click Detect Drivers. Tick those detected. Click Create Driver Plugin. Don’t use the Storage Drivers mode. It causes a fatal error in the CD operation (on my computer. It may work on yours).

An alternative way to add drivers is to open the “help” folder and double click drivers.htm. This will explain how to do it. You can add drivers for adapters in other computers if you intend to use the CD in other computers.

If you only intend to use the CD in one computer then drivers for your other networked computers aren’t needed. You can also add storage drivers now or Press F6 during the boot process to add your SATA drivers.

The computer containing the BartPE CD must be cabled to your router but other computers on the network can be wireless.

Insert your Win XP SP2 disc into the CD drive.

Open the main C:\ reatogo-313-103-a   folder and double click pebuilder.exe

For Source:   choose your CD drive or if you don't have a WinXP CD, the folder which contains the i386 folder
Leave Output as BartPE
Put a tick in Create ISO image
Don’t tick Burn to CD as it produces an error later (on my computer. It may work on yours).
Click Build
It takes a few minutes depending on the speed of your computer.

Burn pebuilder.iso to a CD (R or RW) using your favourite prog. It must be burnt as an image, not a Data CD, Boot CD or CD-ROM (ISO). In Nero choose Recorder, Burn Image. All burning progs should have an option to burn an image.

Boot to your new CD, press F6 if you need to load SATA drivers (if you didn’t add them to the SCSIAdapter folder). BartPE takes several minutes to load and loading is finished when the Start Menu opens.

Your USB external HD can be hot plugged if desired.

If you need to map a Network Drive, open My Computer, click Tools, Map Network Drive. Don’t click Browse. In the Folder field, add your network share as \\ComputerName\share. Enter your Username and password when prompted.

Double click “Start Ghost9”
Ignore the “Fatal Application Exit” balloon as it’s just the AutoRamResizer being disabled.
Accept the licence agreement. Right click and paste your serial. Unlock.
Click Cancel for “optional registration”.
Double click “Start Ghost9” again.

It’s ready to go.

Brian

Very nice. I stickied it.

We may even want to convert this puppy into a web page.

Hey, Brian.  Here's a (somewhat) tangential question with respect to the requirement "You will need a WinXP SP2 CD".

My Compaq Presario 8000T desktop came pre-loaded with Windows XP, and thus a Windows XP CD was not provided.  In conversation with both Compaq/HP as well as Microsoft, neither is able to provide a Windows XP CD - even though both companies acknowledge that I already own a valid operating system license.  It seems foolish (and costly) to have to purchase another Windows XP license simply to get the CD.  Any ideas?

In the last few months Dell have also stopped providing WinXP CD's with their computers. The Dell newsgroup has had long threads about this action and many people have reported success in obtaining CD's after complaining loudly to Dell. Compaq must still be deaf.

I used to change my BartPE setup frequently, so I copied my WinXP CD to a folder on the HD and I use this folder as "Source". As you hold a valid OS licence and have many friends ...... I think this is OK under the licence anyway.

Perhaps of interest, about Dell no longer including Windows CDs with their PCs:

http://radified.com/blog/archives/000181.html

Pleonasm, I just noticed this on Bart's page.

"Build from - Bart's builder can also build from Windows XP Home Edition or from a preinstalled Windows XP version (without CD)."

I'm not sure what he means by "preinstalled Windows XP version" but do you have a C:\i386 folder? I've deleted mine so I can't run a test. Perhaps it can be used as "Source".

Can someone try?

Brian, I do have a C:\WINDOWS\I386 directory on my PC which contains 146 subdirectories, with 6,411 files in total (465MB).  It does appear that the I386 directory holds the Windows XP setup files (see the Microsoft Knowledge Base article at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307064).

As a kindness to the forum readership, would you be willing to summarize the current ‘state-of-the-art’ recommendations on creating and using BartPE together with Ghost 9.0?  There have been bits of wisdom scattered across different threads, and a unified procedural summary would be highly valued (and appreciated).

I would like to give it a try, assuming that the C:\WINDOWS\I386 directory will work as an alternative source to the Windows XP CD.

Pleonasm, your i386 folder should work as "Source".

The instructions for building the CD remain as above. Reatogo has a beta version available with a new final version “coming soon” but use my instructions. The BartPE CD is well worth having, even if you never use the Ghost plugin. You will realize the possibilities of being able to access the files of a non booting OS, run chkdsk, regedit, Computer Management, defrag, delete files which can’t be deleted easily from Windows (eg virus infected files) and also running a virus scan in the PE. It’s far easier to use than the Windows Recovery Console. BartPE was originally designed as a recovery CD.

From the CD, Ghost 9 looks just like the Windows version. Same GUI. All functions are available, image, restore, copy drive and Backup Image Browser. To run Backup Image Browser you need to double click the v2i file rather than use the GUI icon.

For general usage your normal Ghost CD is the way to go. Where the BartPE CD differs is the ability to create images and do Copy Drive from the CD. The normal CD can’t do this. On rare occasions, this can be necessary. We’ve had examples recently.

Also, you can add your own SATA drivers so a floppy isn’t needed. Good for people without a floppy drive. For those people whose Ghost CD doesn’t have drivers for their network card (me) you can add your NIC drivers to BartPE and then have network access. Networking from BartPE is more intuitive than the standard Ghost CD, but both work.

You can even surf the net from the CD.

Creating a BartPE CD will cost you 30 cents. It’s worth much, much more.



PS For those who haven't turned to the Dark Side, you can make the CD without the Ghost 9 plugin.

I successfully created a Bart Preinstalled Environment (BartPE) bootable CD.  Some observations and questions:

Observations:

• The process is quite simple (see http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/).  I encourage everyone to create a BartPE CD, if for no other reason than it allows a user to easily copy files from hard drives onto a USB flash drive using a Windows Explorer look-alike utility.  This could be exceptionally valuable if your PC cannot boot into Windows.
  

• PE Builder automatically detected C:\Windows as a valid source for the Windows setup files.  A Windows XP CD is not required.
  

• A USB flash drive was unrecognized when running BartPE – unless it was attached prior to booting into BartPE.
  

• BartPE automatically recognized an external Maxtor hard disk drive connected via FireWire without difficulty.
  

• BartPE does, however, have a 'dark side' – namely, you can use this tool to boot the PC and in the process completely bypass the necessity of entering a Windows password.  As a consequence, the user of BartPE has visibility to each and every file on the PC.  If you think that a Windows password provides file security, then think again.  The answer, of course, is to employ file encryption (e.g., SecretAgent – see http://www.infoseccorp.com/products/secretagent/sa57win.htm)/
  

Questions:

• Oddly, I noticed that the time/date stamp of a copied file is exactly 5 hours later than the source.  Any ideas on why this might be?
  

• After creating the PEBuilder.iso file, is there any reason not to delete the 'output' directory generated by PE Builder (C:\PE Builder\pebuilder313\BartPE\*.*)?
  

Kudos to Brian for raising awareness of BartPE on this forum!

P.S.:  I did not include the Ghost 9.0 plug-in for BartPE, since I do not anticipate the need to create images from within BartPE.

Welcome to the BartPE club. Editing the boot.ini because of partition number mismatch has been of value to me. When you get the time, try both varieties and see which you prefer.

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

http://www.reatogo.de/BartPE/FEATURES/BartPE+XPE_in_5_minutes.htm




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PE Builder automatically detected C:\Windows as a valid source for the Windows setup files.  A Windows XP CD is not required.

I've updated my instructions.



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Oddly, I noticed that the time/date stamp of a copied file is exactly 5 hours later than the source.

The build time on my BartPE is in GMT. Do you live on the US east coast?



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After creating the PEBuilder.iso file, is there any reason not to delete the 'output' directory generated by PE Builder (C:\PE Builder\pebuilder313\BartPE\*.*)?

It's of no further use and I delete the folder.


If your Ghost 9 application is working correctly the Ghost plugin on this CD will be just of interest value. Imaging direct from the CD could sometimes be useful. Such as imaging a computer which doesn't yet have Ghost 9 installed.

Brian, concerning instructions about the necessity of having a Windows CD, note that the situation I described may be unique to the configuration of my PC:  namely, I'm running Windows XP Professional SP2 and have a C:\Windows\I386 directory present.  Under other conditions, a Windows CD may in fact be required to produce a BartPE bootable CD disc.

To correct the time stamp issue reported previously, it is necessary to start the "Date and Time" utility in BartPE and (A) set the correct time zone as well as (B) manually enter the current time value.

I uninstalled PE Builder, since it uses quite a bit of disk storage.  As anticipated, this has no impact on booting and using the BartPE CD.

Pleonasm wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2005 at 11:21am:

Brian, concerning instructions about the necessity of having a Windows CD, note that the situation I described may be unique to the configuration of my PC:  namely, I'm running Windows XP Professional SP2 and have a C:\Windows\I386 directory present.  Under other conditions, a Windows CD may in fact be required to produce a BartPE bootable CD disc.

Can anyone confirm the i386 situation?
I don't have an i386 folder in Windows and choosing C:\Windows as source doesn't work. If I enter an incorrect source path the error message is ...i386\setupldn.bin not found. An i386 folder is on the WinXP CD.

To add further confusion I copied my i386 folder from the WinXP CD to the HD. If you then choose i386 as source there is an error message but if you choose the folder containing i386 it works. Your choice of C:\Windows was fortuitous. I had previously copied my whole WinXP CD to a HD folder but all that is needed is  to copy i386 into a HD folder.

Brian,


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Your choice of C:\Windows was fortuitous

Note that PE Builder automatically detected C:\Windows as a valid source in my case.  Whether that was a simple default setting within PE Builder - or whether PE Builder has the sophisticated logic necessary to detect a true Windows XP source - I can't say.

Reatogo has updated his BartPE version. The version described in my initial post no longer exists. Download the latest version from here

http://www.reatogo.de/

The setup is slightly different to my previous instructions but if you follow the prompts it will work. I did notice that you aren't prompted to double click !autoHelp_ghost9+dotNET.cmd in the “x_ghost9_autoHelp” folder. This must be done or Ghost 9 won't work.

Plugin 38 (USB) shouldn't be downloaded anymore. USB external devices still work but need to be connected before booting into BartPE. External HD's can't be hot plugged anymore.

My comments on drivers and networking are still valid.

I expect Reatogo to update his BartPE fairly frequently but his instructions are becoming clearer with each version so I probably won't need to provide further help.

im using the Bart PE with ghost 8 edition, and i'm able to multicast ghost image with it

so i just start all the client with bart PE and lauch ghost 8 to work as a client, and the server as a GHOSTCAST Server

my problem is that i need to go on each client to configure the DHCP client, to start ghost 8 and configure the option on it

I was looking for a way to do that automatically, just put the Bart PE on the client, and THATS IT, it will do everything by itself, configure the DHCP, lauch Ghost and be ready to receive the image from the client

IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO THAT, with Ghost 9 and HOW????

O sorry, FROM THE SERVER

hi i tried using reatogo and after burning and tried booting ..... it erros with line 19280 is invalid ???

i followed all the steps downloaded the ghost 9 plugin and configured it

created the Nvraid plugin driver as well


i'm trying to create a boot cd with ghost 9.0 support and Nvraid ..... so i won't have to insert a floppy during recovery of ghost images.

thanks in advance for any help.

I receive the EXACT same error if I use Reatogo's autoDriver for Storage card. I put my SATA drivers in the SCSIAdapter folder and it is then error free.

As a test, don't add any drivers at all. Use your floppy and press F6. Does it work? If so, add your floppy files to a folder in SCSIAdapter folder.

Let us know what happens.

thanks for the reply Brian

i managed to find a way .... first i used nlite to integrate the textmode raid drivers into windows xp then i used reatogo on the nlite created windows I386 folder .... this still produced an error during boot .... apparantly reatogo doesn't copy everything from the I386 folder ..... so i just simply copied the necessary *.sys files into the system32 folders then used Nero to burn it.

also ghost 9.0 creates a shutdown "hang" problem on windows xp

found this solution and it seemed to work
http://aumha.net/downloads/shutdown.zip

Glad you got it working Tediber. There is obviously more than one solution.

I follow your logic although I've only had a brief look at nLite in the past and didn't understand it. This thread may be of interest to you.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1113183318

Did you try my way to fix your problem? It only takes a few seconds.

Yes i did try your suggestion as well and it worked smoothly reatogo placed the .sys files in the proper folders this time.  

i created a stripped down Windows XP using nilte thinking it 'd boot up faster but it didn't really help much

i had been trying to integrate raid drivers onto the Ghost recovery CD to no success as of yet. will try again.

that's exactly what i've been looking for ...... thanks again.

nlite is really easy to use for pre installing drivers and trimming down windows xp. everything is point and click.

I'd be interested to hear when you get your RAID drivers onto the Ghost 9 CD.

reatogo-25-6a makes boot CDs, which boot to blank screen!
maybe new version is broken.

I work hard, but can't make it booting to display anything;)

Yuri,

The current Reatogo version is OK, not broken. How do you burn it to CD? By ticking "Burn to CD" or with UltraISO, Nero etc?

Can you check that data has actually been burnt to the CD. How many folders are on the CD?

I have a really silly issue. I have working Bart-PE cd's. I want to make some off-site backup copies. My question is this: if I simply burn copies, it is my understanding that they will no be bootable. If this is correct, how would I make copies that will boot?

Thank you,

Fred

Copies should be bootable. Make one and try.

Changed title of thread to include Ghost 10: "Ghost 9 or 10".

Hi Brian,
yes Dell isn't shipping O/S Media Anymore as default, anyway you can still order them but you have to mention this in your order.

this applies at least for the european (EMEA) Region. :)

Over 15,000 views .. holy moly.

Rad wrote on Nov 17^th, 2005 at 2:59pm:

Changed title of thread to include Ghost 10: "Ghost 9 or 10".

I wish that there WAS a Ghost 10 plugin for Bart PE !!

As far as I know, the Bart PE boot solution ONLY works for Ghost 9 !!

I would love to be corrected, though, because then I can actually use Ghost 10 on my system (my machine BSODs on the Ghost 10 Recovery CD, but Bart PE loads like a charm).

You got my hopes up there, Rad, and then dashed them to the rocks after a brief Google search!  :-)

-James

I got past the bsod with ghost 10 by loading SATA drivers, even though it claimed they were not necessary. Once I did that, it loaded ok, but I could never get it to see my external USB drives. Stick with ghost 9. 10 is a time sucker...

You can't modify the BartPE CD to use Ghost 10?

wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2005 at 12:35am:

I got past the bsod with ghost 10 by loading SATA drivers, even though it claimed they were not necessary. Once I did that, it loaded ok, but I could never get it to see my external USB drives. Stick with ghost 9. 10 is a time sucker...

Whoa!  Excuse me if I pounce on you!!  Another user of the Ghost 10 Recovery Disc that gets BSODs?

PLEASE, provide me with details!  Your motherboard, exactly how the BSOD manifested itself and, most important, how you accomplished the workaround!  No external USB drives, though, eh?

Thanks!

-James

Rad wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2005 at 1:21am:

You can't modify the BartPE CD to use Ghost 10?

Not that I am aware of!  I got excited when I first had problems with the Ghost 10 Recovery Environment and read about the Bart PE CD, but on experimentation, it ONLY works for Ghost 9.  If someone would write a plugin for Ghost 10, we would be in luck, however I have yet to see one.

I would really like it if someone could prove me wrong, but as far as I know, the Bart PE CD solution is only a workaround for Ghost 9 users.

-James

BSOD issue. My machine is a dell 8400. My workaround was to PF6 to load the SATA drivers from Dell, instead of using those ghost 10 wsa trying to use.

I have since returned ghost 10 and reverted to 9. 10 is WAY too buggy. I could never even get it to recognized a USB hard drive. Life is too short....

Brad

I thot they were pretty much the same prgm. Let's see what Mr. Brian has to say.

Rad

I think Brian's off-line for a few days--so be patient with a response.

My sense is that the PC based program is pretty much the same program with some ease of use improvements, but they mucked up the rescue environment CD. Lots of issues with not recognizing external usb drives, etc.

I mentioned this on another post regarding Ghost 10.  The underlying functional difference between Ghost 9 & Ghost 10 recovery environment is that the latter (10) is based off of Windows PE 2005 - the latest "Pre-Installation" environment from Microsoft.  Underlying issuse such as BSOD's caused by storage drivers as evidenced in this thread are related to the version that is provided to Symantec OR from their source of media when they customize their tool.  It is a common occurence with PE-based solutions that you need to occasionally update storage drivers, NIC's, etc. - it is apparent from this thread & others that Symantec simply didn't have an adequate test environent before releasing the new version, or they would have discovered the issue and fixed before release.

As to getting a working Ghost 10 plugin working under BartPE (different than WinPE) it is likely simply a change in the registry settings that are loaded when BartPE boots.  I don't have either program currently, so can't guess what settings are needed to enable Ghost 10 to work w/BartPE.

OKay, I changed the title of the thread back to its original, for Ghost 9 only, and removed the reference to Ghost 10. If someone knows the mojo on how to get BartPE CD to work with Ghost 10, then we can create a separate thread for that.

Rad wrote on Dec 5^th, 2005 at 1:02pm:

OKay, I changed the title of the thread back to its original, for Ghost 9 only, and removed the reference to Ghost 10. If someone knows the mojo on how to get BartPE CD to work with Ghost 10, then we can create a separate thread for that.

Thanks Rad.  I think the issue/question for Ghost 10 was best expressed by XPAddict--how to update the Windows PE environment to add drivers etc and get a new ISO.

Rad wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2005 at 1:21am:

You can't modify the BartPE CD to use Ghost 10?

Afraid not. Frodo (author of Ghost 9 plugin) wrote to this forum last month and said he was working on a Ghost 10 plugin and would let us know when it was ready.

While attempting to create the iso file for the Bart PE, I received the following errors in the log:

Error: SetupDecompressOrCopyFile() "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\HPPAppActivity.log" to "C:\reatogo-25-6a\ReatogoPE\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\HPPAppActivity.log" returned error 32: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process.
Error: SetupDecompressOrCopyFile() "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\HPPHomePageActivity.log" to "C:\reatogo-25-6a\ReatogoPE\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\HPPHomePageActivity.log" returned error 32: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process.
Builder has stopped because there are 2 build errors

It then terminated before making the ISO file. Can anyone give me some insight into what went wrong.

Brad, initially I'd try downloading the Reatogo exe file and starting again. If that doesn't work I'd move the HPPAppActivity.log to somewhere else on the computer and try building again. Then move the file back. I don't have that file.

I wonder if it has something to do with my actually having ghost 9 running on my machine. Perhaps if I try to stop it during the build process....

You don't need to stop Ghost 9 to build. I don't know what your file does, but I doubt it is needed for the build.

I followed these instructions with success. Thank you Brian!!

BTW, I also encountered the 'HPPAppActivity.log' problem. This log is locked by Symantec SystemWorks 2006, so it cannot be moved.

What I did was to uninstall the SystemWorks and run a Build again. After burning the Build on a CD, I booted and reinstall the Ghost image and I have SystemWorks again!

This way I got to test if the Build was successful.

Well, I don't have systems works, but I do have nortan's firewall and antivirus. I wonder if I could just unload the applications and than run Bart's.

Thanks Brian!  I used your guide (loosely because of the new version) and it works great!

I've got to say that I found this thread very interesting and illuminating.

I've been struggling with an nVidia raid driver issue now for a few days.  Initially I could not install Windows XP on an Asus A8N-VM CSM (Athlon 4200+ X2, 2GB ram, 2 x WD 320GB SATA in raid-1) as I was getting "nvraid.sys not found".  I bypassed this problem by remastering the XP install with the appropriate drivers.

I then ran into an issue where Ghost 9 would encounter the same issue (a known nVidia bad drivers issue to which I have not seen an always working solution).  However, this time each time I modified the Ghost rescue CD the program ceased working when lanching the Recover Disk option.  The use of Ghost is critical for restoring backed up partitions as this is my father-in-law's work PC (own a home based business).

Finding about the reatogo / ghost boot environment seemed like an instand winner, especially as I already use BartPE for other purposes (so it was easy to try this new build).

I now have a working build that helped me recover from a corrupted registry and I am comfortable handing the full solution over to it's final owner.

I wanted to thank you all for the information found here.

I'm really pleased that people have found this thread helpful. BartPE/Ghost 9 is obviously of interest to more folks than I expected.

edit: Rad note > thread has more than 22,000 page-views.

Frodo is still working on the Ghost 10 plugin. It's proving more difficult than the Ghost 9 plugin.

I have an emachine. It came with 3 CD's, which are just a ghost backup with additional manuals in other folders. Running Windows XP Home, SP1. I just copied the 3 ghost images from the CD's to 1 folder on an extra (large) hard drive (Ghost won't read them unless they are in the same folder, and not 3 seperate cdrom's).

The I386 folder was in C:\WINDOWS\I386

You CAN extract the contents of the .pak files from a Dell CD using Win Zip.

.pak is actually a compression algorithm created by a university (I forget which one, but in USA), like .zip and .rar.

one web site said:
A .PAK file acts like a .ZIP archive, it contains many different files within the archive, and can be accessed via the game it is associated with. Files within the archive are often read only. Note: .PAK files are used with many different Quake Engine games.


and I read this:
                          PAK FILES

PAK files are produced by NoGate Consulting's PAK program.  This program
is shareware, and provides many features.  The current version is #20529
PAK251.EXE.  The extraction syntax for PAK files is:
                       "A>pak e file"

Did they buy it or steal it from the university?
Who knows.

Anyhow, try and copy the .pak files to one directory on a hard drive, then open with Win Zip.

We have just finished building a machine that needs to be replicated over 50 other PC's.

Didnt really want to install Ghost 9 so created the bootable CD with the Ghost 9 plug in, imaged the drive and then reloaded the image on the 50 other machines.

What a good post on how to do this!!!

Truly a life-saving site, this! After experiencing problems with Ghost, I created the boot cd and my problem days are over! Symantec still hadn't responded to my requests for support after almost a month of e-mailing them.

By the way, the HPapp...files that are locked during the build can easily be resolved by creating the boot cd in Windows Safe Mode. The two files aren't locked then.

Meanwhile, the PE cd is only a temporary fix. If I change my hardware config, the cd will probably not boot. This means I need to keep creating new versions if I want to continue working with Ghost (9.0). I just wish Symantec could've written Ghost without its SATA/RAID problems.

wrote on Jan 30^th, 2006 at 2:18pm:

Meanwhile, the PE cd is only a temporary fix. If I change my hardware config, the cd will probably not boot. This means I need to keep creating new versions if I want to continue working with Ghost (9.0). I just wish Symantec could've written Ghost without its SATA/RAID problems.

Michel,

Reatogo now has "Storage-Drpack_autoHelp" which contains most SATA drivers so your CD should work on most computers. You don't need to use the SCSIAdapter folder anymore.

Brian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2006 at 3:39pm:

Michel, Reatogo now has "Storage-Drpack_autoHelp" which contains most SATA drivers so your CD should work on most computers. You don't need to use the SCSIAdapter folder anymore.

That's good news! So then my problem days are truly over thanks to this cd. Yay!  8)

Don't hold your breath for a Ghost 10 plugin.

http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=15962

Brian, can the Ghost 9 recovery environment properly restore recovery points created by Ghost 10?  My memory may be faulty, but I seem to recall that such was the case – provided that none of the new Ghost 10 features (e.g., encryption) were enabled when the recovery point was made.

If this is true, then shouldn’t the Ghost 9 plug-in for BartPE generally work for images created by Ghost 10?  (I am assuming that the interested reader will have created the BartPE disc with a Ghost 9 plug-in before Ghost 10 was installed, of course.)

Pleo, I'm pretty sure we found that the Ghost 9 RE wouldn't restore Ghost 10 images. Ghost 10 RE will restore Ghost 9 images.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1131831389;start=120#133

Brian wrote on Feb 14^th, 2006 at 2:50pm:

Pleo, I'm pretty sure we found that the Ghost 9 RE wouldn't restore Ghost 10 images. Ghost 10 RE will restore Ghost 9 images.

I don't dispute that Brian wasn't able to restore his image.  

"Error 1818 The selected image was created with a newer version of Drive Image (EA39071A)"

On the Symantec web site I found this reference to it but that was the only one at Symantec.

Brian, was it possible you were using a Drive Image (not Ghost 9) boot cd?

Anyway, I just now re-ran a test here.  I booted from my Ghost 9 Recovery Environment CD.

I browsed my external USB hard drive which contains all my Ghost 10 backups.  I verified (used Ghost 9) a Ghost 10 image backup I took only a couple days ago.

I successfully restored a folder (using Ghost 9) of the Ghost 10 backup.  Granted, I didn't restore the entire partition, but I was able to restore the folder and its files.

That's interesting John. I didn't try a Files/Folder restore or a Verify but it worked for you. I was using the Ghost 9 CD and I also tried the Reatogo/ Ghost 9 CD. Both failed.

I'm not asking you to complete an image restore but could you start the restore process for the first few windows. I received my error message fairly early in the process.

Quote:

As soon as I selected the image there was an error. "Error EA39071A : Newer version"

I'm certainly interested to hear if you don't get the error.

Ghost4me, your experiment is quite interesting.  Using your BartPE disc with a Ghost 9 plug-in, can you also verify a Ghost 10 restore point?  Selectively restore files/folders?

If Brian is correct, then it is sad to see that the BartPE/Ghost connection evaporating.  One wonders whether Symantec has purposely complicated Ghost 10 so as to prevent it from being used as a stand-alone tool for both image creation and restoration in conjunction with BartPE.  In so far as the Ghost 10 recovery environment does not allow the creation of a restore point, it makes sense that Symantec would seek to disallow a work-around solution involving BartPE that circumvents its intention.

Brian and Pleo, I just completed a stand-alone restore using the Ghost 9 Recovery Environment CD.

Summary:  no problems.

Here is what I did:  First I backed up (with Ghost 10) my c: partition on my primary hard drive as well as my d: partition on my other hard drive to my external USB drive.  Both are primary partitions.  Also ran Verify during the backups.  

I renamed one of my folders on my d: partition so I could confirm that I had actually restored on top afterwards.

I booted to the Ghost 9 RE CD:
System Restore Wizard
 Restore Drive
 Single Drive
 (Note, I restored my d: drive partition.  I did not delete the partition beforehand).

I got these messages while it was restoring (which took about 7 minutes) :
 Verifying image
 Copying Volume data over existing volume

After it completed, I restarted the pc back to Windows XP and verified that d: was indeed restored to the way it was before starting this test, and confirmed that my renamed folder was back to its original name/state.

I don't think this proves either way about the problem.  I don't doubt for one second Brian that you got the error message.

However, this is the only reason I can think that you had a problem Brian and I didn't:  
My Ghost 10 backup is a complete image.  It does not contain incrementals and it is not split.  I am guessing/speculating that perhaps that the Recovery Point logic or incrementals logic changed from Ghost 9 to 10.

In my case I had a pure independent Ghost 10 backup image.  That may be what makes it backward compatible with Ghost 9.

Just a guess.  This is certainly not proof enough to reassure anyone to "not worry".

John, I'm really pleased with your result and I hope it applies to most people.

I'll try it again.

Ghost4me.John

Okay--now when (if) you have the time, do the *confirming* test!

Do the full drive image, and then do an incremental--say on the next day.

Now *re-challenge* the restore test to see if it will work without errors being reported!

Tried it again, same error.

I only have one Ghost 10 image on my computer at present, a standalone image, not a baseline. There is a good chance it is the same one that produced the error before, as it is dated 10 Jan, the same date as my post.

From Ghost 9 RE, I can't explore, verify or restore that image. I'll have to install Ghost 10 on my other WinXP partition and create a fresh image.

OK, Brian, Pleo, NightOwl -- you guys are really making me earn my money now.  :(

Just finished another test:

Defined new Ghost 10 Recovery Point backup set with incrementals of d:

Ran first backup. (saw large file on usb)

copied folder1 from another drive to d:
Ran second baackup.  (took only a minute.  saw small incremental in backup folder)

copied folder2 from another drive to d:
Ran third backup.  (took only a minute.  saw small incremental in backup folder)

copied folder3 from another drive to d:
Ran fourth backup.  (took only a minute.  saw small incremental in backup folder)

Booted Ghost 9 RE CD as before.  This time I selected D_Drive001_i002.iv2I as the file to restore.  Note this should contain the original backup, folder1, and folder2, but NOT folder3 when I get back to XP.

Restore completed without errors.

Restarted XP.  Confirmed these files in USB backup folder.
D_Drive001.v2i
D_Drive001_i001.iv2I
D_Drive001_i002.iv2I
D_Drive001_i003.iv2I
mypc.sv2i

Confirmed that folder1 and folder2 but NOT folder 3 now exist on my d: drive.

Conclusion:  I don't know!!  

In this case everything worked perfectly.  Several months ago when I asked Symantec LiveChat whether Ghost 9 RE would read Ghost 10, they said yes.  However after reading about Brian's experience, I no longer trusted that advice.

Anyone with any other theories?

I agree with you, John.

I installed Ghost 10 to my other WinXP partition and made a C drive and a data drive image. From the Ghost 10 Backup image browser I could browse and verify these images and ALSO browse and verify the image from January.

From the Ghost 9 RE I still received an error message for the January image and I couldn't browse or verify it either. BUT the two new images could be browsed, verified and the restore process started normally.

John, I'm glad you did your tests. There is something odd about my January image which verifies in Ghost 10 but doesn't work at all in the Ghost 9 RE.

Brian wrote on Feb 14^th, 2006 at 7:18pm:

There is something odd about my January image which verifies in Ghost 10 but doesn't work at all in the Ghost 9 RE.

Brian, I don't understand why there would be a problem with your January Ghost 10 image.  One thing I learned from your good advice some time ago, and started doing, was to tick the Verify Image option when creating backup images.  Now I do that verify each time.

There is I suppose some other "trigger" that is the cause of that January incompatability.  Maybe it's the boot partition or maybe it's the option to restore the MBR (which I didn't have to do), or some other combination(s) of options.

It's too bad we don't have a mole inside of Symantec that can shed some inside knowledge and support here.  Just dreaming of course . . .

Brian wrote on Feb 14^th, 2006 at 7:18pm:

I installed Ghost 10 to my other WinXP partition and made a C drive and a data drive image. From the Ghost 10 Backup image browser I could browse and verify these images and ALSO browse and verify the image from January.

Brian, at least it is very encouraging that the Ghost 10 image you created in January, is still valid and usable as far as Ghost 10 goes.

Yes, to make sure I just restored that image using the Ghost 10 RE. The restored OS booted normally.

So it's just that Ghost 9, both from Windows and the RE, doesn't like that particular image. Strange.

In all fairness you can't expect software to be backward compatible forever.  For example, we don't expect that Ghost 2003 or Drive Image 5 will be able to read Ghost 10 images.

I feel better now at least knowing if one verifies a Ghost 10 image when it is created, it is valid later using Ghost 10.

But at least we know that with one exception, Ghost 9 RE does restore Ghost 10 images. Good work John.

Brian, as a consequence of the extremely helping testing performed by yourself and Ghost4me, let’s return to my post (Reply #58 ) that instigated these activities.  If, as it now appears, the Ghost 9 recovery environment can successfully restore recovery points created by Ghost 10, then ought it not to also be the case that BartPE with Ghost 9 plug-in would do the same?  And, if that is true, then the disadvantage of not having a Ghost 10 plug-in for BartPE is mitigated – correct?

There is an obvious opportunity here to test the hypothesis that a BartPE/Ghost 9 disc can successfully restore a Ghost 10 recovery point, should you and/or Ghost4me wish to pursue the investigation further.

P.S.:  It is reasonable to expect that any Ghost 10 recovery point that uses features which are specific to version 10 (e.g., encryption) would not be able to be restored through Ghost 9.

Although I am not competent to offer a legal opinion, I did notice that the license agreement for Ghost 10 (see the opening pages within the Norton Ghost 10.0 User’s Guide) specifies that:


Quote:

You may not . . . use a previous version or copy of the Software after You have received and installed a disk replacement set or an upgraded version.  Upon upgrading the Software, all copies of the prior version must be destroyed.

As a consequence, it appears that the use of Ghost 9 to restore recovery points created by Ghost 10 – while technically possible – may be legally prohibited.

* * * * * * * * * *
Additionally, the license agreement also states:


Quote:

You may not . . . modify . . . or create derivative works from the Software.

Isn’t the use of BartPE with the Ghost 9 plug-in a “modification” or “derivative work” of Ghost 9 – and therefore prohibited?

Pleonasm wrote on Feb 15^th, 2006 at 9:16am:

If, as it now appears, the Ghost 9 recovery environment can successfully restore recovery points created by Ghost 10, then ought it not to also be the case that BartPE with Ghost 9 plug-in would do the same?

Just tried it and the image I created yesterday with Ghost 10 was successfully restored  from BartPE with the Ghost 9 plugin.


Quote:

And, if that is true, then the disadvantage of not having a Ghost 10 plug-in for BartPE is mitigated – correct?

However you need to have Ghost 9 installed to make the BartPE CD. So people who don't own Ghost 9 are out of luck if they only have Ghost 10 and can't see their image on the external HD. They can't restore.


Quote:

Isn’t the use of BartPE with the Ghost 9 plug-in a “modification” or “derivative work” of Ghost 9 – and therefore prohibited?

It's interesting that several companies making imaging software actually distribute or approve a BartPE plugin.

Acronis True Image
TeraByte Image for Windows
Drive SnapShot
DriveImage XML

There are non company approved plugins for

Ghost 8
Ghost 9
Paragon Hard Disk Manager
PowerQuest Drive Image 2002

Brian, it would be ideal if Symantec offered an ‘official’ BartPE plug-in for Ghost 10.  As noted in Reply #62, my suspicion is that Symantec does not do so (and has ‘complicated’ Ghost 10 to hinder others from doing so) because such functionality circumvents the company’s intention to have the recovery environment be anything other than a recovery tool.  Having a single CD disc that could provide both create and restore capabilities might hinder Symantec’s ability to protect its intellectual property.  Additionally, one can speculate that running Ghost from within BartPE also creates support issues that the company prefers not to address.

Alas, it is reasonable to guess that the use of Ghost within BartPE ended with version 9.

Pleonasm


Quote:

Alas, it is reasonable to guess that the use of Ghost within BartPE ended with version 9.

Maybe a *reason* to consider buying both versions--9.x and 10.x  ;) !

RE:  your previous quote of the EULA (End Users License Agreement) from Ghost 10's User Guide:


Quote:

You may not . . . use a previous version or copy of the Software after You have received and installed a disk replacement set or an upgraded version.  Upon upgrading the Software, all copies of the prior version must be destroyed.

I think this is a poorly worded clause--(What's new regarding something Symantec writes for Users  ;) ! )--My take on this is that you have purchased a Ghost 10 license--if Symantec provides you a replacement disc or update disc due to some issue that needs to be corrected based on that Ghost 10 license that you have already purchased--then any previous installs or discs of *that* software has to be uninstalled and/or destroyed--but it is not referring to any previous license you received when you purchased Ghost 9.x!--you still have that license and you should still be allowed to use that software if you choose.

Being as I do not believe you can have both Ghost 9 and Ghost 10 installed at the same time on a given OS, you really can not use both on one machine at the same time.

And your second quote:


Quote:

You may not . . . modify . . . or create derivative works from the Software.

Quote:

Isn’t the use of BartPE with the Ghost 9 plug-in a “modification” or “derivative work” of Ghost 9 – and therefore prohibited?

You are not *altering* Ghost 9 in any way--you are just putting it on the PartPE CD that then loads a functioning version of Ghost 9.x that works from that PE environment--basically an OS loaded from CD into RAM.

If you purchased your license for Ghost 9.x, and now have purchased a second license for Ghost 10.x and it is installed on your system--you are simply using your Ghost 9.x license on a separate OS.

But, it's probably *reasonable* to say that if you only have one Ghost 9.x license--and have it installed on your HDD, and on a BartPE--you perhaps should have two Ghost 9.x licenses.

How about if you are multi-booting, and copying one OS partition to another *hidden* partition--and then you switch between the two OS's--is that a violation of the EULA?--one can only use one copy of the software at one time--and it's on only *one* machine!--does each partition have to have a valid license?  (I think you talked in another post about *Virtual Machines* each have to be licesned separately!)

These EULA's are really something to behold--companies put all kinds of clauses in there in hopes to cover any possible situation that may arise that either protects them from liability, or protects their software from any *abuse*--should they decide *the use* is *abuse* at some future date!

When I read the Ghost 2003 EULA, it clearly says you can only have *one* copy of the Ghost.exe program on one computer--but, Ghost 2003's functionality offers to put a copy of Ghost.exe on every optical disc that you put a Ghost image on when you make a backup image.  Now, how can you not be violating the EULA each time you use the product in that manner?!!!!!

NightOwl, all good observations.

Your interpretation of the EULA for Ghost might be correct (or incorrect) – I don’t have the expertise to intelligently argue either position.  The purpose of my post was to at least raise awareness of the issue so that individuals who are using the BartPE/Ghost 9 disc could pursue the question to resolution.

I don’t see anything in the EULA that would restrict a user from loading Ghost 10 onto two partitions on the same PC.  Concerning virtual machines, however, the story is different.

Quote:

For the purposes of this License Agreement, a virtual machine is considered the same as an actual machine.

I am only speculating, but I would not be surprised to learn that Symantec has been viewing the use of Ghost 9 with BartPE in distain, because it is in essence a ‘work-around’ of Symantec’s decision not to allow the creation of images from within the recovery environment.  While they may not have yet taken specific action to halt the use of BartPE/Ghost 9, it could be the case that the failure of Ghost 10 to run with BartPE is no mere accident – i.e., Symantec may have intentionally crafted version 10 in such a way so as to ‘shut down’ further use of the product with BartPE.  As Frodo (the author of the BartPE plug-in for Ghost 9) said, “I suspect there’s some weird new Symantec bastardry at work here [with Ghost 10]”.

If Frodo is correct, then the EULA discussion is almost without consequence – since there will be no option to run Ghost 10 (or subsequent versions) with BartPE anyway.

Seems to me like ReatogoPE has some serious problems with the autohelp scripts because I noticed it didn't copy everything from the 1.0.3705 directory of the .Net stuff which resulted in Ghost not running.

Then when I fixed that, it would always crash miserably. Not sure if there's a particular mode I should've been booting in when you are asked to hit one of the function keys at the start but I took a different approach.

I downloaded Frodo's plugin, Colin's .Net plugin, Sherpya's XPE 1.0.4 plugin and HWPnP just in case. Then I readjusted the Ramdrive to 96MB and created the ISO.

Viola! The bastard worked!!!!!!!! Granted, I didn't do anything about my license number but I'm happy to type that in for the moment until I can sort out the automation of that too.

Artstar_ES,

You have probably discussed this problem in http://www.911cd.net/forums/

They are more likely to help you resolve the errors but let us know what you find.

Brian:

Will do. It's got me beat how it worked for you guys and not for me but in just looking at the differences between the logs from Frodo's plugin vs Reatogo's autohelp plugin, Reatogo just seems to skip things that it shouldn't be. Very odd behaviour.

At any rate, the CD is now booting on my laptop (I needed something to work on to relieve my boredom working here in Torino) and Ghost is loading without issue (and I decided to use UltraISO to throw in the HPC file as well just to make my licensing issue easier). All that's left is to ensure that it loads the respective nVidia driver for SATA/PATA and Adaptec's RAID driver and we should be happy campers.

At any rate, I actually find both methods to be just as easy as one another to set up the CD, just that the PEBuilder way seems to be the only one that works.

Maybe you've got some kind of voodoo thing going that we should know about? ;)

Artstar_ES,

I've made dozens of Reatogo/BartPE CD's containing Ghost 9 (CD-RW). Whenever I find a new plugin I make a new CD. The only time it failed was when I was building from my second WinXP partition which doesn't contain Ghost 9. Ghost 9 must be present for the build process.

A few weeks ago Reatogo issued a separate dotNET plugin (separate from the Ghost 9 one). Have you tried it?

I looked at building from the plain BartPE but adding Frodo's original plugin looked too messy and I stayed with Reatogo's auto-help one. I much prefer the Reatogo CD but if you have added XPE then your final product is probably much the same. I'm lazy, often.

As a test, why don't you try building on a different computer. I corresponded with someone who couldn't even build a basic BartPE on his computer. Still can't.

Hey dude.

Yeah, I tried the dotNET plugin itself (which I believe is the same one I used with PE Builder - Colin F...something - v1.1 to be precise) and while that resolved the parser error issue and it did then find the machine.config file within the v1.0.3705 framework, V2iConsole.exe would still crash with a fatal application error (of whose address kept changing so the error would have a consistent element to the cause, but nothing in the result which could be of much help to find out wtf was happening).

So you're right, I've pretty much wound up with a final product similar to the Reatogo CD only that I've then injected the HPC file created in the RAMdrive (since my desktop is NTFS) to enable the licensing to be sorted out from the get-go without the need to paste into the box.

As for the messiness of the execution the longer (non-Reatogo) way, it is only a little messier because you're dealing with Frodo's, Sherpya's XPE, Colin's dotNET plugins, adjusting the RAMdrive size to be at least 64MB in the .inf and sacrifices only 1 more CD if you really care about the way the licensing/activation issue is tackled. I admire Reatogo's efforts to almost completely automate the process but for whatever reason, the .cmd doesn't copy the necessary config files from the earlier dotNET framework (v1.0.3705) and then for whatever reason, there must be so much more crap being loaded into the system that is causing the fatal exception error. Perhaps my laptop doesn't like that particular CD or the CD doesn't like my laptop because of its hardware? Either way, it doesn't really make for a universal CD if I am to use it to back up the HD's on clients' PC's - not that I do that often anyways since I spend more time working in broadcast than IT.

I don't have another machine handy, as all our IT here in Torino/Turin is based on Win2k, just like my laptop - I avoid XP where possible. But I do agree with you that the computer's own existing setup is more than likely the culprit to the failed CD's with Reatogo.

I saw Reatogo's reply and I agree that you need to do the build from another computer. Once you have the CD it should work in most computers. I haven't tried this but you should even be able to do a Ghost 9 image of a Win 98 OS partition.


PS The recent dotNET plugin is by Colin but it's version Pre 3. It may be worth trying.

Hi everyone,

Having recently started a job where I am rolling out new PCs and Laptops I have looked into ghost in great depth. I've just purchased ghost 2005 (9.0) and would love to get a BPE CD going for it, however I am rather confused as to the plugin aspect. I can't seem to find a plugin for 9.0 on the BPE website and the only one I can find elsewhere is in BETA?!

Is it possible to have someone clarify exactly which files I need to get hold of for making this plugin work? I already have PE Builder and ghost 9.0 installed on my system.

Many thanks,
James.

James,

You get everything from this link, including the plugin. It works. You need a WinXP SP2 CD and Ghost 9 installed on your computer.

http://www.reatogo.de/

There are lots of pointers in this thread.

Thank you, I don't know how but I totally managed to miss the reatogo link on the first post :¬/

I am now setting up all the files and hopefully I will make my first clone PC today!

Thanks again,
James.

seems like I can't find this file anyomre, its outdated?

In Step 2 download “ReatogoPE” (which is   reatogo-313-103-a.exe)

Im able to find the other files though.

mlka,

Yes, it's been changed a few times. Use this. Reatogo's instructions are OK now.

http://www.reatogo.de/

Did anyone else have the file cmdow.exe detected as a virus. It came when I downloaded the Ghost plug-in.

Reiley411,

Symantec call it a Hacktool.HideWindow rather than a virus. I've noticed it in the last few weeks, which is strange because Symantec claim that definitions have been available since Jan 2004. My investigations suggest that it's not a problem with the Ghost plugin but it will make many people wary.

I exclude it from the Symantec scans but this needs to be done in several places. You could also disconnect from the internet and disable Symantec Auto-Protect while you are building your CD.

Another Rad hall-of-fame thread ..with nearly 40K page-views & 100 replies.

Thanks Brian. I thought it was strange that nobody else had posted about it.

Yes thats true I should have said Threat instead of virus.

I do know how to exclude it from scans. I've had way too much experience excluding things from Sym AV. They block alot of things that I don't want blocked.

Anyway, Hello everyone, Im new here (as you can see).
This thread and the PQI error from ghost are what brought me here (Yes Igot it too).

I  have used Bart PE many times but never used Reatogo so I figured I'd better join because I'm sure I will have alot of questions.

Great stuff guys,
Ghost 9 works well.
Now that we have ghost running in a PE environment from a CD, is it possible to take the iso created  with reatogo and boot it from a hard drive rather than a cd.

Why you ask.....  well, we install a hard drive once per month to take an image using ghost.  I was wondering if we could boot from the removable  hard drive into a PE environment and then run the ghost  to create an image of the o/s drive

Would there be any advantages of of booting from the removable hard drive, eg speed of the build , or the ability to add drivers on the fly etc.......

Thanks for a great  post

OOps forgot to mention, what would be required to get the hard drive to boot windows pe......

Dougy

I have been reading with interest and tried to create a Bartpe disk with ghost 9 on from systemworks priemer. However I type my product code into the ghost plug in creator but when I boot from this disk the last 4 characters from the product code are missing and Ghost comes up in trial mode without access to cloning mode ( I wish to upgrade a 40g drive to 200g. Any body got any ideas on a solution ?

bruce_drew wrote on Jul 13^th, 2006 at 3:10am:

I wish to upgrade a 40g drive to 200g. Any body got any ideas on a solution ?

Boot from your Ghost 9/System Works Premiere Recovery CD, select Copy-Disk option.  Be sure to read the section in the FAQ and Ghost 9 User Guide regarding master/slave settings.  Caution, if you have more than one partition on your 40gb drive, you have to run copy-disk once for each partition.

bruce_drew,

Can you manually type in your serial (when you run Ghost from the Reatogo CD) rather than copying from the clipboard?

My recovery disk did not have a back up drive option that I could find.
I can't seem to change what is pasted from the clibpoard. The pasting adds "-" between groups of four characters and truncates the last four letters  of the product code I enter into the Ghost plugin creator.

I tried typing my serial instead of pasting from the clipboard. I noticed that you can't type more than 20 characters. How many characters are in your serial?

Brian

I have 24 characters in my serial number. Is it possible to alter the ghost plugin set up ?

High guys, when booting PE from a hard disk and then running Ghost 9 you dont get prompted for the serial number.  I have left it for ages.  The ghost icon appears in the system tray, but you are unable to run ghost.  When I burn the same image to a cd I am prompted for a s/n and  ghost works fine.  Has anyone got any thoughts on this?????

Also you are unable to add the serial number manually when right clicking the system tray icon  and about.  The s/n part is greyed out which is the same as when booting pe from a CD.


Thanks
in advance

bruce_drew wrote on Jul 17^th, 2006 at 6:21pm:

Brian I have 24 characters in my serial number. Is it possible to alter the ghost plugin set up ?

bruce_drew,

I suggest outlining your problem in

http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?s=99f0460b20a8da56aded27f97d662ccf&showforum=21

The plugin creator visits this forum.

bruce_drew,

An alternative approach is to try Frodo's original Ghost 9 plugin with plain BartPE, not Reatogo XPE. The plugin you tried was Frodo's plugin adapted by Reatogo.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=140774

I'm afraid I had no success with this plugin but others like it.

Brian, any news on the development of a BartPE plugin for Ghost 10 (see Reply #57)?

Pleonasm, nothing new. I think Frodo has given up. He said it's too difficult.

I have a problem with Bart's PE Bootable CD and I hope the Guru BRIAN can be of help.
I have made the Bootable CD following the Instuctions in Brians excellent piece and the Tutorial from Reatogo.
The CD however will not boot as I get the error:- "File PQV2i.sys caused an unexpected error (12800) at line 5964 in d:/xpsprtm/base/boot/setup/setup.c."
Press any key to continue
Setup failed
I am a novice in these matters :- and do not know what the error message means.
I have all the requirement to make the Bootable CD.
Please help to walk me through how to solve this problem.
I have xpsp2 and Ghost 9 installed on my PC and they were included in the Bootable CD. Thank you.
P.S. Sorry about my using the back slash instead of the forward slash in the error message. I could not find the forward slash on my Dell laptop.  :(

babake79,

I haven't seen that error. Does your CD boot in other computers with the same error? That would tell you if it's a CD or a computer problem. Reatogo is working on an updated Ghost 9 plugin at present as some people have had trouble using the plugin with his current beta versions but I don't know what errors they have been seeing.

http://www.reatogo.de/Reatogo_Project_News.htm

Reatogo has a new XPE version which is worth trying to see if you still get the error. Released a few days ago.

You could ask your question in..

http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?s=99f0460b20a8da56aded27f97d662ccf&showforum=32

Brian
Thanks so much for your response.
I actually decided to make another CD and this time purely by trial and error, I included FILE TRANSFER plugin into the compilation. I also disabled my Antivirus which kept identifying most aspects of the Reatogo files as "RISKWARE NOT A VIRUS".
After burning to CD, Whao!!! my system booted  right into  gear.
Unfortunately I don't now know exactly what I did right (or Wrong) but good enough I stumbled into an answer.


I think this FORUM is one of the best I have seen so far with the amount of information, help and education(??) it provides.
Keep it up.

babake79,

Good news. Now for playtime.

Norton AntiVirus found this

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1119240262;start=90#92

It has been the only "threat" found in my ReatogXPE files. I think I misunderstood your previous post. I assumed the error occurred when you were booting from the completed CD.

Reatogo has released an updated Frodo version of the Ghost 9 plugin. It doesn't use cmdow.exe which NAV detects as a Hacktool.HideWindow.

Don't be in a rush to get it as I can't get it working. When it does work it will be the plugin of choice as it has extra Ghost 9 functions. The old plugin worked fine for me but I understand some folks had problems.

http://www.reatogo.de/Reatogo_Project_News.htm

Frodo expects it to be working in a few days. The Ghost 9 support facilities will be in this plugin too. These are described in pages 78 - 81 of the userguide.

The ReatogoXPE is more friendly than the Ghost 9 RE for networking and should work with SATA HDs that prove troublesome with the Ghost 9 RE. If you are satisfied with the Ghost 9 RE then you don't need Ghost 9 on a ReatogoXPE. It's only for those who want something extra.

The plugin is ready for download.

In addition to the Ghost 9 functions the plugin also includes:

Backup Image Browser
Ghost Explorer
Partition Editor
Partition Info
PQBoot
Restore MBR

This is a quick and dirty, cookbook approach for first-timers setting up ReatogoXPE with the Ghost 9 plugin. There are lots of “extras” that I’ve omitted. You can add them on later builds if you desire.

http://www.reatogo.de/REATOGO.htm

You need WinXP SP1 or SP2 installed on your computer and the WinXP SP2 CD. Ghost 9 must be installed.

Put Reatogo-240.exe in the root of a NTFS partition. Double click Reatogo-240.exe. There will be lots of OKs to click.

Ignore Steps 1,3,4,5
Click Step 2 and follow instructions. FIX.

Click Download AutoHelp plugins.
Get #131 Mass Storage Driver Pack if you have SATA HDs.
Get #45 Ghost 9. Run autoHelp_dotNet.cmd first, then autoHelp_Ghost9.cmd

Click Start PEBuilder
Tick Burn to CD/DVD
Tick AutoErase RW,
Tick Eject after burn
Burn using StarBurn
Select your Device
Click Build

The whole exercise will take around 25 minutes if you don’t get confused.

This is a great resource.  I've made one from the previous instructions from Brian and had great success from backup partitions/drives.  From backup DVD it's been hit or miss.  The bootable works great everytime, but restoring an image from DVD in ghost 9 has been shady for me...  I have done it, but it's like I said..  hit or miss.

Using DVDs for image backup and restore is what the Marquis de Sade would do if he were alive today.

I've heard the name but am unfamiliar, enlighten me since experience seems to be what drives me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Sade

He wrote books about and practiced Sado-Masochism. I was thinking about the self torture of using multiple DVDs for backup. I was certainly not thinking about sexual masochism being associated with DVDs. Far from it.

MadtKrandle, although it is not an enjoyable task, I do burn a Ghost 10 independent recovery point from a hard disk to DVD discs every other week or so, “just in case” those recovery points get corrupted or destroyed.  It is another layer of protection.

Have you ever restored an image from multiple DVD's in Ghost 10?