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Message started by El_Pescador on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 12:22am

Title: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs ?
Post by El_Pescador on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 12:22am

El_Pescador wrote on Jul 20th, 2005 at 10:46pm:


"... I seemed to have inadvertently backed into a consuming hobby of mounting internal HDDs - both IDE and SATA - in external enclosure kits.  Each of my six external enclosures cost less than $100 USD delivered, with five of those six costing less than $50.

As to outfitting them, the incredible rebates on HDDs in recent months have allowed me buy a 60GB IDE Maxtor Diamondmax for $19, an 80GB IDE Western Digital Caviar SE for $20, a 160GB IDE Seagate Barracuda for $40, a 160GB IDE Maxtor Diamondmax for $59, and a 160GB SATA NCQ Seagate Barracuda for $70 (all prices after MIRs and excluding either sales tax on store price or shipping fees from online orders).

Although USB 2.0 is far from being my choice for linking a PC to an external HDD - whether "purpose-built" like my new Iomega 80GB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive or an enclosure kit - the fact remains that a lot of folks either already have USB devices or have circumstances where USB is the only practical alternative.  

Such being the case, I - like Jake and Elwood - am on a mission to unravel the mysteries of mastering the use of Norton Ghost 2003 with recalcitrant USB external HDDs.  And so far, I have indeed uncovered some pretty wacky stuff..."


El_Pescador wrote on Jul 28th, 2005 at 8:57pm:
"... Behold a device that previously could only conduct Norton Ghost 2003 operations at speeds slower than USB 1.1!  This device is cranky regardless of whether the USB 2.0 ports emanate from the Dell Dimension 8300 systemboard or from a NEC-compliant SIIG NN2660 PCI-to-USB 2.0/Firewire 400/FireWire 800 Combo Host Controller Adapter Card.  Without NightOwl's Panasonic Universal USB Driver routine, it borders on being just about useless with DOS-based Norton Ghost 2003..."  




El_Pescador wrote on Jul 30th, 2005 at 2:07pm:
"... When using the USB 2.0 ports that emanate from the systemboard of my Dell Dimension 8300, there was absolutely nothing I could do to enable this cranky Bytecc external enclosure kit to conduct Norton Ghost 2003 operations at USB 2.0 speeds while using the Norton/Iomega drivers extracted from Guest.exe (see first image below) regardless of file system format - FAT32 or NTFS - employed on the external drive.

In fact, when sticking strictly to the NTFS format, even NightOwl's Panasonic Universal UBS Driver routine was rendered useless with all three versions of Usbaspi.sys (see second image below).   The ALi M5621 High-Speed USB 2.0 IDE Bridge Chipset/Device Controller utilized by Bytecc in the ME-320U2 is as about as far from being friendly with Norton Ghost 2003 as any such device I have encountered - and my personal stable is now up to six external enclosure kits and one "purpose-built" external HDD..."  





Using GHOST32.EXE (aka RESTOREGHOST.EXE) in three different modes while working in XP - not DOS, I repeatedly performed successful Integrity Checks on a Ghost 2003 "disk-to-image" Backup set comprised of 2GB *.gho and *.GHS files residing in a FAT32 partition on the very Bytecc ME-320U2 discussed above.  Essentially, I used components of Norton Ghost 8.2 derived from my Norton Ghost 10.0 CD to do so in the following manners: (1) booting from a ReatogoPE bootable CD in my CD-ROM drive, I merely opened RESTOREGHOST.EXE residing as a file on a CD in my DVD burner; (2) booting from my MASTER HDD into XP, once again I opened RESTOREGHOST.EXE residing on the same CD residing this time in my CD-ROM drive; and (3) booting from my Norton Ghost 10.0 CD, I performed the Integrity Check by following 'Recover > Recover Data on My Computer > Recover using a legacy Ghost image'.

Working in the Ghost 8.2 mode described in (3) above, I completed a successful Norton Ghost "partition-to-image" Backup procedure this evening on my Iomega USB 80GB external HDD which is formatted solely FAT32.  Tomorrow, I intend to perform a series of full-scale Norton Ghost "disk-to-image" Backup operations on the alternate NTFS partition of the 120GB Seagate IDE HDD mounted in the Bytecc ME-320U2 external enclosure kit.

EP
:'(

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by Pleonasm on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 11:06am
El_Pescador, it may be the case that the availability of Ghost 8.2 (GHOST32.EXE aka RESTOREGHOST.EXE on the Ghost 10 product CD) running in Windows (XP or PE) solves many of the USB/FireWire hardware issues that plagued Ghost 2003 in DOS.  Your tests will be quite instructive and valuable.

Although Ghost 10 continues to be my primary image backup solution, I now use Ghost 8.2 about every other week to make an image backup.  In this way, I have redundancy across applications (Ghost 10 / Ghost 8.2) in order to protect against any application-level issues that might unexpectedly arise.

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by El_Pescador on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 6:52pm
To expound on my original post above, let me clearly state that although I was using GHOST32.EXE (aka RESTOREGHOST.EXE) in three different modes I was truly working in Windows XP - not DOS - in only one of them.  The other two instances took place in CD-based Windows Preinstall Environments (PE).

Admittedly, successful Integrity Checks can be conducted in all three modes on Symantec Norton Ghost 2003 "disk-to-image" Backup sets comprised of 2GB *.gho and *.GHS files residing in either FAT32 or NTFS partitions on external HDDS.  However, readily accomplishing either a Ghost "partition-to-image" Backup procedure or a Ghost "disk-to-image" Backup procedure while in the Ghost 8.2 mode can only be done in a Windows Preinstall Environment where the MASTER HDD is "not-in-the-loop".

Parenthetically, let me report that today I used the PE feature of the bootable Norton Ghost 10.0 CD to successfully perform a full-scale Norton Ghost "disk-to-image" Backup procedure of the MASTER HDD (SATA) on my Dell Dimension 8100 - followed by a clean Integrity Check - onto the alternate NTFS partition of the 120GB Seagate IDE HDD mounted in my Bytecc ME-320U2 USB 2.0 external enclosure kit.

EP :'(

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by Brian on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 10:43pm
EP, is there a speed difference between using DOS or a Preinstalled Environment in writing the image to a USB HD?

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by Brian on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 11:36pm

El_Pescador wrote on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 6:52pm:
Backup procedure or a Ghost "disk-to-image" Backup procedure while in the Ghost 8.2 mode can only be done in a Windows Preinstall Environment where the MASTER HDD is "not-in-the-loop".


Just a small additional use. If you have two WinXP partitions on the same HD then you can image the hidden WinXP partition from the active WinXP partition using Ghost32.exe. A type of warm imaging if you like.

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by Pleonasm on Apr 4th, 2006 at 9:42am
El_Pescador, a few questions:
  • What do you mean by “where the MASTER HDD is ‘not-in-the-loop’” when you said:  “However, readily accomplishing either a Ghost 'partition-to-image' Backup procedure or a Ghost 'disk-to-image' Backup procedure while in the Ghost 8.2 mode can only be done in a Windows Preinstall Environment where the MASTER HDD is ‘not-in-the-loop’”?
  • If a user is creating an image of one physical hard disk drive with two partitions, what are the advantages/disadvantages of performing two Partition-to-Image operations in Ghost 8.2 versus one Disk-to-Image operation?
  • Have you observed any differences in using Ghost 8.2 from the ReatogoPE bootable CD versus from the Ghost 10 recovery environment CD?
Thanks for your assistance.

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by El_Pescador on Apr 4th, 2006 at 8:14pm

Brian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 10:43pm:
"... is there a speed difference between using DOS or a Preinstalled Environment in writing the image to a USB HD?..."

Pleonasm wrote on Apr 4th, 2006 at 9:42am:
"... Have you observed any differences in using Ghost 8.2 from the ReatogoPE bootable CD versus from the Ghost 10 recovery environment CD?..."

Please forgive my inattention, but I just came back in town to be faced with having to 'cannibalize' one of my 'deep-mothballed' Dell Dimension PCs in order to bring my single active Dimension fully back into service.  Regrettably, it may be some time before I can offer any cogent answers.

EP :'(

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by El_Pescador on Apr 5th, 2006 at 12:39am

Brian wrote on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 10:43pm:
"... is there a speed difference between using DOS or a Preinstalled Environment in writing the image to a USB HD?..."

Pleonasm wrote on Apr 4th, 2006 at 9:42am:
"... Have you observed any differences in using Ghost 8.2 from the ReatogoPE bootable CD versus from the Ghost 10 recovery environment CD?..."

Slowly patching things back together, so here goes:

Bytecc ME-320U2 USB enclosure - 120GB Seagate IDE HDD - NTFS Virtual Drive J: (60GB)
  • Ghost 2003 Backup of FAT32 Virtual Drive G: required 00:08:45 in "Windows-to-DOS-to-Windows" mode utilizing Panasonic USB drivers (stock Norton/Iomega USB drivers won't work with ME-320U2)

  • Ghost 8.2 Backup of FAT32 Virtual Drive G: required 00:11:13 booting from Norton Ghost 10.0 CD's Preinstalled Environment

  • My prototype ReatogoPE CD cannot see Virtual Drive G: on physical MASTER 120GB Maxtor SATA HDD, so SATA drivers will have to be added as time goes by

EP :'(

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by El_Pescador on Apr 5th, 2006 at 10:53am
Update to above results:

Bytecc ME-320U2 USB enclosure - 120GB Seagate IDE HDD - NTFS Virtual Drive J: (60GB)[/size]
  • Ghost 2003 Backup of FAT32 Virtual Drive G: required 00:08:45 in "Windows-to-DOS-to-Windows" mode utilizing Panasonic USB drivers (stock Norton/Iomega USB drivers won't work with ME-320U2)

  • Ghost 8.2 Backup of FAT32 Virtual Drive G: required 00:11:13 booting from Norton Ghost 10.0 CD's Preinstalled Environment

  • My prototype ReatogoPE CD cannot see Virtual Drive G: on physical MASTER 120GB Maxtor SATA HDD, so SATA drivers will have to be added as time goes by

  • Ghost 2003 Backup of FAT32 Virtual Drive G: required 00:08:44 in floppy-based DOS "Disaster Recovery Diskette" mode modified to utilize Panasonic USB drivers (stock Norton/Iomega USB drivers won't work with ME-320U2)

EP

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by Ghost4me.John on Apr 5th, 2006 at 12:12pm

El_Pescador wrote on Apr 5th, 2006 at 10:53am:
Update to above results:
Bytecc ME-320U2 USB enclosure - 120GB Seagate IDE HDD -- NTFS Virtual Drive J: (60GB)


How did Windows XP / Ghost 10 compare to your other results?

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by El_Pescador on Apr 5th, 2006 at 2:04pm

wrote on Apr 5th, 2006 at 12:12pm:
"... How did Windows XP / Ghost 10 compare to your other results?..."

I am not sure that I understand the question, but be advised that I have no intention of ever using Norton Ghost 10.0 in the Windows XP mode - instead, I choose to use the Ghost 8.2 aspect in a Preinstalled Environment for situations where Ghost 2003 is troublesome, i.e., USB host/device controller issues and such.

EP :'(


Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by Ghost4me.John on Apr 5th, 2006 at 2:54pm

El_Pescador wrote on Apr 5th, 2006 at 2:04pm:
I am not sure that I understand the question, but be advised that I have no intention of ever using Norton Ghost 10.0 in the Windows XP mode


Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your previous posts.  I thought you were trying to compare performance and features of different versions of Ghost, and just wondered how Ghost 10 compared to the other versions in terms of speed and recognition of your USB drives.

Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
Post by Brian on Apr 5th, 2006 at 3:06pm

El_Pescador wrote on Apr 5th, 2006 at 10:53am:
  • My prototype ReatogoPE CD cannot see Virtual Drive G: on physical MASTER 120GB Maxtor SATA HDD, so SATA drivers will have to be added as time goes by


  • EP, you should be able to add SATA drivers by pressing F6 during the initial Reatogo or Ghost 10 boot and adding them from a floppy. If this doesn't work then I doubt adding the drivers to your CD will work either.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Pleonasm on Apr 5th, 2006 at 4:36pm
    El_Pescador, I understand that you are busy, but when a free moment arises . . .
    • What do you mean by “where the MASTER HDD is ‘not-in-the-loop’” when you said:  “However, readily accomplishing either a Ghost 'partition-to-image' Backup procedure or a Ghost 'disk-to-image' Backup procedure while in the Ghost 8.2 mode can only be done in a Windows Preinstall Environment where the MASTER HDD is ‘not-in-the-loop’”?
    • If a user is creating an image of one physical hard disk drive with two partitions, what are the advantages/disadvantages of performing two Partition-to-Image operations in Ghost 8.2 versus one Disk-to-Image operation?

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 5th, 2006 at 11:24pm

    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 5th, 2006 at 4:36pm:
    "... What do you mean by “where the MASTER HDD is ‘not-in-the-loop’” when you said:  “However, readily accomplishing either a Ghost 'partition-to-image' Backup procedure or a Ghost 'disk-to-image' Backup procedure while in the Ghost 8.2 mode can only be done in a Windows Preinstall Environment where the MASTER HDD is ‘not-in-the-loop’?..."

    Albeit I did perform Integrity Checks on image files stored on an inactive external HDD after booting from Windows XP Home Edition resident on Active Virtual Drive C: of my Maxtor 120GB SATA MASTER HDD (invoking Ghost 8.2 merely by opening GHOSTRESTORE.EXE on a CD-ROM drive), I subsequently received error messages every time I attempted to perform a Ghost 8.2 Backup of any and all partitions on both my SATA MASTER HDD and my IDE SLAVE HDD.  In other words, I could not use Ghost 8.2 to perform "hot-imaging" on the contents of any of my internal HDDs.


    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 5th, 2006 at 4:36pm:
    "... If a user is creating an image of one physical hard disk drive with two partitions, what are the advantages/disadvantages of performing two Partition-to-Image operations in Ghost 8.2 versus one Disk-to-Image operation?..."

    As we say down here in South Louisiana, "Chacun à son gout!".  For my own purposes, I prefer to perform "disk-to-image" Ghost 2003/8.2 Backups of my MASTER HDD every so often, but interspersed by "partition-to-image" Backups of a FAT32 virtual drive where I maintain dynamic content (my SLAVE HDD is restricted to archives and Backup images).

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Pleonasm on Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:07am
    El_Pescador, it is my understanding that Ghost 8.2 (whether running in Windows XP or Windows PE or BartPE) will not create an image of any partition on which there are open files/handles (i.e., there is no support for “hot imaging”).  If I recall correctly, Brian reported success in using Ghost 8.2 in Windows XP to image non-operating system partitions – although I have not personally tested it.

    Chacun à son gout – indeed!

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:45am

    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:07am:
    "... If I recall correctly, Brian reported success in using Ghost 8.2 in Windows XP to image non-operating system partitions – although I have not personally tested it..."


    El_Pescador wrote on Apr 5th, 2006 at 11:24pm:
    "... Albeit I did perform Integrity Checks on image files stored on an inactive external HDD after booting from Windows XP Home Edition resident on Active Virtual Drive C: of my Maxtor 120GB SATA MASTER HDD (invoking Ghost 8.2 merely by opening GHOSTRESTORE.EXE on a CD-ROM drive)..."

    Hmm - when booting up normally in Windows XP, I wonder if it would make any difference if the USB external HDD was already powered up versus powering up after the boot process was complete. Moreover, when operating normally in Windows XP I wonder if a Ghost 8.2 "partition-to-image" Backup could be generated of one of the Virtual Drives on the external HDD to be sent to the other.  Even more provocative, how about from one of the Virtual Drives on the external HDD thence to a partition on the internal SLAVE HDD.

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Brian on Apr 6th, 2006 at 4:11pm

    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:07am:
    If I recall correctly, Brian reported success in using Ghost 8.2 in Windows XP to image non-operating system partitions –


    Pleo, I imaged a hidden OS partition. I can't recall if I also imaged a data partition but I'll try to do it today.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Brian on Apr 6th, 2006 at 5:44pm
    No problems. Running Ghost32.exe from the HD (in Windows) I imaged a test data partition to another data partition. The image passed the integrity check. I deleted all data on the test data partition and then restored the image to that partition.

    No questions were asked by Ghost32 at any stage. It just did it.

    From Windows, Ghost32.exe will image data and non-active OS partitions. Nice to know.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 6th, 2006 at 9:47pm

    Brian wrote on Apr 6th, 2006 at 5:44pm:
    "... No questions were asked by Ghost32 at any stage.  It just did it..."

    • Seems to make no difference whether USB external HDD already powered up versus powering up after the boot process is complete while working with Norton Ghost 8.2 from inside normal Windows XP.

    • Likewise, a Ghost 8.2 "partition-to-image" Backup can be generated of one of the Virtual Drives on one external HDD to be sent to a partition on the internal SLAVE HDD.  Although the process appeared to have been successfully completed - and later the image did pass an Integrity Check - be advised that beforehand the caveat depicted below was displayed.

    • Moreover, a Ghost 8.2 "partition-to-image" Backup can be generated of one of the Virtual Drives on one external HDD to be sent to a distant partition on yet another external HDD.  Again, the process appeared to have been successfully completed - and later the image did pass an Integrity Check - but beforehand a like caveat was displayed.  An attempt to go from one Virtual Drive to another inside the same extended partition on the external HDD proved so glacial in its progress that I aborted it - although it might have worked given sufficient time!



    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Brian on Apr 6th, 2006 at 10:22pm
    EP, I'm not familiar with the "Virtual Drives" you are discussing. How are these created?

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Brian on Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:05pm
    EP, I did my test again and this time I did see Question: (1854). I continued to image, checked and then restored this image successfully.

    Maybe I missed seeing the Question: (1854) earlier today but I didn't recall any hiccups when I posted.


    PS    Did it again and this time there was NO Question: (1854).

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:43pm

    Brian wrote on Apr 6th, 2006 at 10:22pm:
    "... I'm not familiar with the "Virtual Drives" you are discussing.  How are these created?..."

    Since I have been fooling with computers circa 1973 (tab cards and reel-to-reel magnetic tape days), I occasionally lapse into using archaic phrases, i.e., a virtual drive as opposed to a physical drive.  Making things more hazy is failing to reveal that all my internal SLAVE HDDs and external HDDs are configured to have a single extended partition containing one or more logical partitions - on each of my PCs the only physical drive having any primary partitions is the MASTER HDD.  So, right or wrong, when I refer to a 'Virtual Drive', what I really mean is a logical partition within an extended partition which resides on a physical HDD.

    BTW, despite advanced warnings about "forced dismounts" a 'Clone Completed Successfully!' message was displayed this evening following a Ghost 8.2 "image-to-partition" Restore while operating normally in Windows XP.  The image source was a logical partition on an internal IDE SLAVE HDD and the destination was a NTFS logical partition on the 120GB Seagate IDE HDD residing in my Bytecc ME-320U2 USB external enclosure.

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Brian on Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:53pm

    El_Pescador wrote on Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:43pm:
    Making things more hazy is failing to reveal that all my internal SLAVE HDDs and external HDDs are configured to have a single extended partition containing one or more logical partitions - on each of my PCs the only physical drive having any primary partitions is the MASTER HDD.  


    Same here.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Pleonasm on Apr 7th, 2006 at 10:06am
    So, to summarize, are the following statements correct:
    • Ghost 8.2 can be run in Windows XP to image and restore any non-operating system partition.
    • Ghost 8.2 can be run in Windows PE (from the Ghost 10 recovery environment CD) or run in BartPE to image and restore any partition, whether or not it contains the operating system.
    • Ghost 8.2 solves most (if not all) “recalcitrant” issues that Ghost 2003 in DOS has with external hard disk drives (USB or FireWire).
    If these statements are accurate, then it may be wise to consider incorporating the information into the Radified Guide to Norton Ghost.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 7th, 2006 at 11:01am

    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 7th, 2006 at 10:06am:
    "... Ghost 8.2 can be run in Windows XP to image and restore any non-operating system partition..."

    Thusfar, the above seems to be the case despite the warnings thrown up prior to execution, but those notices do make me uneasy.  Let me stress that none of the partitions involved in my testing to date have resided on my MASTER HDD wherein the Windows XP Home Edition operating system resides.  As a matter of fact, all such partitions - whether source or destination - are logical types contained within their respective extended partitions.


    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 7th, 2006 at 10:06am:
    "... Ghost 8.2 can be run in Windows PE (from the Ghost 10 recovery environment CD) or run in BartPE to image any partition, whether or not it contains the operating system..."

    I consider this an accurate statement without qualification.


    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 7th, 2006 at 10:06am:
    "... Ghost 8.2 solves most (if not all) “recalcitrant” issues that Ghost 2003 has with external hard disk drives (USB or FireWire)..."

    This certainly seems to be the case.  I now consider the Norton Ghost 8.2 components included on the Norton Ghost 10.0 bootable CD to be absolutely indispensable, and in my future operations will supplant Norton Ghost 2003 to a large degree.

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Pleonasm on Apr 7th, 2006 at 11:29am
    El_Pescador, regarding the “Question: (1854)” warning that Ghost 8.2 presents, note that it is remarkably similar to the same warning issued by the command “CHKDSK /F” when it dismounts a non-operating system volume before proceeding with the check operation.  Therefore, I do not believe there is any reason to be concerned about the occurrence of this message.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 7th, 2006 at 3:25pm

    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 7th, 2006 at 11:29am:
    "... regarding the 'Question: (1854)' warning that Ghost 8.2 presents, note that it is remarkably similar to the same warning issued by the command 'CHKDSK /F' when it dismounts a non-operating system volume before proceeding with the check operation.  Therefore, I do not believe there is any reason to be concerned about the occurrence of this message..."

    I am hopeful all messages depicted below turn out to be of no concern:



    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/Proceed82.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/Destination82.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/CloneOK82.jpg

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Brian on Apr 7th, 2006 at 3:46pm

    Pleonasm wrote on Apr 7th, 2006 at 10:06am:
    • Ghost 8.2 can be run in Windows XP to image and restore any non-operating system partition.
    • Ghost 8.2 can be run in Windows PE (from the Ghost 10 recovery environment CD) or run in BartPE to image and restore any partition, whether or not it contains the operating system.
    • Ghost 8.2 solves most (if not all) “recalcitrant” issues that Ghost 2003 in DOS has with external hard disk drives (USB or FireWire).



    Pleo, I'd also add
    • Ghost 8.2 can be run in Windows XP to image and restore a hidden operating system partition.


    For example, I have two WinXP partitions so I'm able to image and restore each partition without using the Ghost 10 Recovery Environment. Naturally I have to boot to the OS that I don't wish to image or restore.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Pleonasm on Apr 7th, 2006 at 3:49pm
    El_Pescador, based on your post, Ghost 8.2 appears to work even in the presence of the “Question: (1854)” warning.

    One option that you might wish to try is to first manually dismount the source partition (e.g., "D:") that is being imaged using the FSUTIL utility (e.g., "fsutil volume dismount D:").  Theoretically, this ought to correct the situation that is being detected by Ghost 8.2 and thereby circumvent the “Question: (1854)” warning.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 23rd, 2006 at 12:15am

    El_Pescador wrote on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 12:22am:
    "... Essentially, I used components of Norton Ghost 8.2 derived from my Norton Ghost 10.0 CD to do so in the following manners: (1) booting from a ReatogoPE bootable CD in my CD-ROM drive, I merely opened RESTOREGHOST.EXE residing as a file on a CD in my DVD burner..."

    By using the Reatogo AutoDriver routine to reconcile my SATA HDD situation, modifying the BartPE Ghost8 plugin to accept the Norton Ghost 8.2 elements from my Norton Ghost 10.0 CD and incorporating same into a bootable BartPE-XPE CD (reatogo edition), I was delighted to see the image below:



    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 23rd, 2006 at 9:51am

    El_Pescador wrote on Jul 28th, 2005 at 8:57pm:
    "... Behold a device that previously could only conduct Norton Ghost 2003 operations at speeds slower than USB 1.1!  This device is cranky regardless of whether the USB 2.0 ports emanate from the Dell Dimension 8300 systemboard or from a NEC-compliant SIIG NN2660 PCI-to-USB 2.0/Firewire 400/FireWire 800 Combo Host Controller Adapter Card.  Without NightOwl's Panasonic Universal USB Driver routine, it borders on being just about useless with DOS-based Norton Ghost 2003..."  



    El_Pescador wrote on Apr 3rd, 2006 at 6:52pm:
    "...  Parenthetically, let me report that today I used the PE feature of the bootable Norton Ghost 10.0 CD to successfully perform a full-scale Norton Ghost "disk-to-image" Backup procedure of the MASTER HDD (SATA) on my Dell Dimension 8100 - followed by a clean Integrity Check - onto the alternate NTFS partition of the 120GB Seagate IDE HDD mounted in my Bytecc ME-320U2 USB 2.0 external enclosure kit..."

    Last night I repeated the task outlined above using the BartPE-XPE CD described in the post above.  With Norton Ghost 8.2 onhand, I doubt that problems with external HDDs - particularly USB - will bedevil me ever again !  

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by NightOwl on Apr 24th, 2006 at 10:36am
    El_Pescador

    Very interesting testing and results!

    I'm curious--with all your testing of USB and the Ghost 10 Recovery Environment, BartPE, and ReatogoPE, have you run across any problems as discussed in this thread Missing External HDD's in Ghost 10's RE?

    I believe you have at least one *dual* HDD enclosure kit that allows you to use either USB or Firewire--I would be interested, if you have the opportunity at some point, to have you hook up a USB unit and the Firewire unit when you boot the one of the various Recovery Environments above and using the Ghost32 v8.xx--look at the order that *disk #'s* are assigned and reported for the various devices.

    My device order is from disk #1 to disk #8 is:

    Firewire HDD  (#1)
    USB HDD  (#2)
    USB non-HDD mass storage (card reader)  (#3, #4, #5, #6)
    Internal HDD  (#7)
    Internal HDD  (#8)

    I'm curious if other systems enumerate the disk #'s in the same order?

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 24th, 2006 at 11:14am

    NightOwl wrote on Apr 24th, 2006 at 10:36am:
    "... I believe you have at least one *dual* HDD enclosure kit that allows you to use either USB or Firewire--I would be interested, if you have the opportunity at some point, to have you hook up a USB unit and the Firewire unit when you boot the one of the various Recovery Environments above and using the Ghost32 v8.xx--look at the order that *disk #'s* are assigned and reported for the various devices..."

    El_Pescador wrote on Mar 1st, 2006 at 5:20pm:
    "... Regrettably, I am pretty much on the sidelines for with the exception of a Dell Dimension 8100 coupled to an external Iomega 80GB USB HDD, all of my remaining gear - those items not ruined by Katrina's floodwaters, I might add - resides in "deep mothballs" to escape the incredibly pervasive dust associated with renovating a "slab-on-grade" gutted house..."

    The 'remaining gear' alluded to above contains those items necessary to respond to your inquiry.  I estimate that at least four more months will have to pass before our home can become fully livable so that said items will have a suitable environment for normal service.  I really doubt that I will live long enough to be genuinely shut of the aggravating dust and filth currently coating our residence and all of the contents therein.

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 26th, 2006 at 7:31pm

    El_Pescador wrote on Apr 23rd, 2006 at 12:15am:
    "... By using the Reatogo AutoDriver routine to reconcile my SATA HDD situation, modifying the BartPE Ghost8 plugin to accept the Norton Ghost 8.2 elements from my Norton Ghost 10.0 CD and incorporating same into a bootable BartPE-XPE CD (reatogo edition), I was delighted to see the image below:..."



    I am delighted to relate that I successfully used the Norton Ghost 8.2 routine contained in the BartPE-XPE CD described above to:
      (1) perform a "disk-to-image" Backup from a SATA MASTER HDD to an USB external HDD;
      (2) perform a positive Integrity Check on the Ghost 8.2 image referenced above;
      (3) perform a "image-to-disk" Restore of said image from an USB external HDD to an internal SLAVE HDD; and
      (4) perform a "disk-to-disk" Clone from a SATA MASTER HDD to an internal IDE SLAVE HDD.
    In light of the performance outlined above, I harbor no reservations about Norton Ghost 8.2 employed in this manner, i.e., as a fit substitute for Norton Ghost 2003 whenever DOS-related problems are likely to arise.

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Brian on Apr 26th, 2006 at 7:57pm
    EP,

    You have all bases covered. One question. How did you do the screen capture from ReatogoXPE?

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Apr 26th, 2006 at 9:19pm

    Brian wrote on Apr 26th, 2006 at 7:57pm:
    "... One question. How did you do the screen capture from ReatogoXPE?..."

    Actually, the only way that I know how - Shift + Print Screen, then '... Start > Programs > Accessories > Paint > Edit > Paste > Save As...' -  :-[
    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by Brian on Apr 26th, 2006 at 9:26pm
    So simple. I'd forgotten that Paint was included in ReatogoXPE.

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Jun 13th, 2006 at 5:51pm

    El_Pescador wrote on Apr 5th, 2006 at 2:04pm:
    "... be advised that I have no intention of ever using Norton Ghost 10.0 in the Windows XP mode - instead, I choose to use the Ghost 8.2 aspect in a Preinstalled Environment for situations where Ghost 2003 is troublesome, i.e., USB host/device controller issues and such...."

    I have a pal still using Windows 98SE on a Dell PIII desktop PC (128K RDRAM) outfitted with Norton Ghost 2003.  He reported readily booting with the BartPE-XPE (reatogo edition) CD I loaned him despite the fact his system is some 8 years old and has never had any XP components onboard.  Our next trick is to see if we can successfully perform Integrity Checks on his Ghost 2003 backup images with Ghost 8.2 inside the Preinstalled Environment.  The goal here is to have an emergency boot CD for an obsolescent system onhand in the event of the MASTER HDD failing to boot for whatever reason (as happened to my eldest daughter's eMachine due to a corrupted file in the folder C:\WINDOWS\System32).

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Jun 14th, 2006 at 8:18pm

    El_Pescador wrote on Jun 13th, 2006 at 5:51pm:
    "... I have a pal still using Windows 98SE on a Dell PIII desktop PC (128K RDRAM) outfitted with Norton Ghost 2003.  He reported readily booting with the BartPE-XPE (reatogo edition) CD I loaned him despite the fact his system is some 8 years old and has never had any XP components onboard.  Our next trick is to see if we can successfully perform Integrity Checks on his Ghost 2003 backup images with Ghost 8.2 inside the Preinstalled Environment..."

    The Dell PIII desktop PC outfitted with Windows 98SE used Ghost 8.2 on a BartPE-XPE CD to successfully perform Integrity Checks on backup images previously created with Ghost 2003; following that, a Dell Inspiron 7500 PII notebook PC (128K SDRAM) running 98SE did likewise in a Preinstalled Environment.  

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by NightOwl on Jun 14th, 2006 at 10:47pm
    El_Pescador

    To emphasize a point here--you are using the *BartPE-XPE (reatogo edition) CD*, and not Ghost 9.x or 10.x's Recovery Environment (RE) from it's Recovery Disk.

    Ghost's RE requires 256 MB of RAM (or more--see below!) to successfully boot to the RE--and you are being successful with 128 MB of RAM--good info to know for folks with *older* system with less RAM!

    I just checked the *System Requirements* for Ghost 10--and to install on an WinXP system, you only need 128 MB of RAM, but 256 MB of RAM to use the RE!

    And here's another interesting tidbit from the Ghost 10 User Guide:


    Quote:
    The recovery environment requires a minimum of 256
    MB of RAM to run. If your computer’s video card is
    configured to share your computer’s RAM, you might
    need more than 256 MB of RAM to use the recovery
    environment.



    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Jun 15th, 2006 at 6:26pm

    NightOwl wrote on Jun 14th, 2006 at 10:47pm:
    "... To emphasize a point here--you are using the *BartPE-XPE (reatogo edition) CD*, and not Ghost 9.x or 10.x's Recovery Environment (RE) from it's Recovery Disk.

    Ghost's RE requires 256 MB of RAM to successfully boot to the RE..."

    Using the Dell Inspiron 7500 PII notebook PC (Windows 98SE, 128K SDRAM), I tried to boot into the Norton Ghost 10.0 Recovery Environment (RE) from my Recovery Disk only to get a warning of insufficient memory.  I dismissed the warning and forged ahead anyway only to cascade into a series of Error Messages leading up to a dismal failure.  A careful repetition - taking notes the whole while - met the same fate.

    EP :'(

    Title: Re: GHOST32.EXE: No More Recalcitrant USB 2.0 HDDs
    Post by El_Pescador on Jun 15th, 2006 at 7:47pm

    El_Pescador wrote on Jun 14th, 2006 at 8:18pm:
    "... The Dell PIII desktop PC outfitted with Windows 98SE used Ghost 8.2 on a BartPE-XPE CD to successfully perform Integrity Checks on backup images previously created with Ghost 2003; following that, a Dell Inspiron 7500 PII notebook PC (128K SDRAM) running 98SE did likewise in a Preinstalled Environment..."
     
    Later on, I used the BartPE-XPE CD to perform a Norton Ghost 8.2 "disk-to-image" Backup of the internal MASTER HDD in the Dell Inspiron 7500 PII notebook PC (WIN 98SE, 128K SDRAM) onto an Iomega 80GB external HDD via the USB 1.1 port of the notebook.  Using the BartPE-XPE CD with Ghost 8.2, I performed an Integrity Check on said image in 00:33:48 with USB 1.1 connectivity; using USB 1.1 drivers for Norton Ghost 2003 within the Windows 98SE GUI required 00:57:29 to perform the exact same task.  Chalk up another plus for Ghost 8.2 onboard a BartPE-XCPE CD.

    EP :'(

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