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Rad Community Technical Discussion Boards (Computer Hardware + PC Software) >> Norton Ghost 15, 14, 12, 10, 9, + Norton Save + Restore (NS+R) >> Norton Ghost 12 http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1170186107 Message started by Pleonasm on Jan 30th, 2007 at 1:41pm |
Title: Norton Ghost 12 Post by Pleonasm on Jan 30th, 2007 at 1:41pm
The beta version of Norton Ghost 12 appears to be available, as indicated by emails sent from Symantec to select individuals.
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Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on Jan 30th, 2007 at 3:56pm
Based on the initial post in this thread, Symantec may be migrating features from its corporate products into the consumer environment.
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The term “remote management” might be a reference to the Veritas NetBackup PureDisk Remote Office Edition product – see: NetBackup PureDisk. Very interesting. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by rulirahm on Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:53am
So, a home user can use/try this product? I thought for corporate only.
Can I join the testing and how? I'm impressed with ghost. Amazing!!! |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on Feb 2nd, 2007 at 11:03am
Rulirahm, the beta test of Ghost 12 is “by invitation only.” I do not know the criteria or selection process used by Symantec, but if you’re interested, contact them and request to be part of the team.
Ghost 12 is intended for the home user, although as noted in the original post, it is now being positioned as appropriate for “advanced computer users” – probably because of the new “Remote Management, Physical to Virtual image conversion, and LightsOut Recovery” features. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on Feb 11th, 2007 at 3:32pm
Comments from a Ghost 12 beta tester seem to indicate that Ghost 2003 and Ghost 8.2 are not presently included in the product.
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Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Rad on Feb 13th, 2007 at 4:41pm
Nice find, Pleo. You rock. Let's stay on this.
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Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on Apr 5th, 2007 at 11:53am
More information on the forthcoming Norton Ghost 12 . . .
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As anticipated, Norton Ghost 12 will include functionality that was previously only available in the corporate Backup Exec System Recovery toolset. It appears that Norton Ghost 12 will be a superset of Norton Save & Restore 2.0 – i.e., it includes all of the functionality of the latter plus additional capabilities. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Rad on Apr 5th, 2007 at 10:25pm
Thanks, Pleo.
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Gotta admit: that sounds impressive. Quote:
do you think these features will be used by the average pc backer-upper? i don't. Quote:
this is what norton save & restore (v1.0) had over ghost .. right? now ghost can back up folders, too. still, not a big deal, since backing up a folder is cake (compared to backing up your system drive). Quote:
error-checking is good/useful (for reliability), but i doubt many home-users will find encryption useful. (i don't.) Quote:
everybody has compression. incrementals are cool, long as they don't get in the way of a restore. minimizing space isn't the big deal it used to be, now that we are in the era of the 1-terabyte hard drive. space is not an issue for most pc users. http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.8027a91c954924ae4bda9f30eac4f0a0/ i still think the strength of an imaging prgm is *not* in its list of features (beyond supporting optical & external drives), but rather in reliability. doesn't matter how many or cool the features are .. if the restore doesn't work. i'm becoming more convinced in the wisdom of the test-restore. of course, it depends how valuable your system is, and how much pain it would be to lose your system drive. it's all about being able to restore your system when/if need be (reliability). no doubt you recognize my mantra. :) |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by NightOwl on Apr 5th, 2007 at 10:55pm
Rad
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NightOwl is rocking back and forth rhythmically, humming... *Change is good! Change is good! Change is good! Change is good! Change is good! ...* Heck--I'm still using Ghost 2003--what year is it--ummmm, oh yeah, 2007! |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Brian on Apr 5th, 2007 at 11:27pm
Rad, I agree with all of your points. Except for incrementals. I like incrementals.
I've played with Ghost 12 beta and I like it. It reminds me of Ghost 9 but there aren't enough relevant features to make me part with money to upgrade. The extra features are ones I wouldn't use. The one feature of interest to me, Physical to Virtual image conversion, didn't work in the beta version. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on Apr 6th, 2007 at 10:26am
Rad, no doubt you are correct: the advanced features of Norton Ghost 12 (NG12) are clearly targeted toward the sophisticated PC enthusiast.
As I read the Symantec material, my impression is that NG12 encompasses all of Norton Save & Restore 2.0 (NSR2) – and then adds advanced capabilities (i.e., NG12 is a superset of NSR2). Thus, the ability to “back up only specific files and folders” will probably be a consequence of the NSR2 functionality rather than a change to the core Ghost component. Encryption of a recovery point (aka image) can be useful, in so far as it is the equivalent of full volume encryption of a hard disk drive. It can prevent, for example, someone from ‘peaking’ inside a recovery point and exploring your personal files (or the registry, etc.). (For myself, I encrypt all of my personal files anyway, so they are already encrypted when they are contained within the recovery point.) I could be wrong, but the existence of the encryption option in NG12 indirectly seems to imply that the use of a password on the recovery point isn’t sufficient to really protect the contents. I suspect (but don’t know) that the “error checking” in NG12 is nothing more than the “verify recovery point” capability. I completely agree with your bottom line: features can be good, but reliability is the most important attribute of a backup application. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on Apr 6th, 2007 at 10:27am
Brian, VMware Workstation says that it can open a Symantec recovery point directly. So, it is not clear to me what the physical-to-virtual conversion capability of Norton Ghost 12 adds.
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The key feature that NG12 has, in my opinion, is compatibility with Windows Vista. That may ultimately be the reason why many will upgrade. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Rad on Apr 8th, 2007 at 9:22am
I can see the advantage of incrementals. But now instead of having a single image to restore, you have an image with an extra "increment".. or two or three or ... which complicates things a bit.
The benefit, as I see it, relates more to the time it takes to re-image, than actual space savings, which is less of a factor,now that hard drives are so big. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Brian on Apr 8th, 2007 at 4:55pm
Rad, I accept that the more incrementals one keeps, the more chance there is of a failure at that incremental restore point. But I don’t see that as a problem because if an incremental won’t restore then you just restore the previous incremental or all the way back to the baseline recovery point if necessary. I’ve never seen this situation. However I admit that I only keep 6 incrementals rather than 30. I create Baselines weekly rather than monthly so I’m hedging my bets.
To restore an incremental recovery point you just choose that point to restore in the wizard. You don’t have to restore the incremental and the baseline separately. There is no time penalty in the restore. My Ghost recovery points are created at 6pm on a scheduled basis and I continue to use the computer normally while Ghost is running. So imaging time is not an issue. But HD space is an issue. My second HD is 160 GB and has 35 GB free. My baseline recovery points, created weekly, are around 3800 MB and daily incrementals average 60 MB. So 4 weeks worth of backup images add up to 17 GB. If I created baseline images daily it would add up to 106 GB. Do I really need to create backup images daily? Of course not. But I like being able to restore to a specific day. There is less work to do after the restore to get Windows back to normal (Windows Updates, installed or uninstalled programs, tweaks). I’m used to incrementals now so even if I had a 1000 GB HD, I’d still use incrementals. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by ckcc on Apr 8th, 2007 at 5:18pm Brian wrote on Apr 8th, 2007 at 4:55pm:
Brian, Do you see any effect on system performance at this time? You're making me want to try the "hot" approach to imaging with Ghost 9 or 10. I already use second copy for my data and am happy with Ghost 2003 for images, but I like the idea of daily incrementals for my images. I'm running an AMD 2100+ 1.7 GHtz w/ 1 gig ram. I just don't like to bloat my system w/ added proccesses. Thanks. Guess I could just try it, huh? |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Brian on Apr 8th, 2007 at 5:50pm ckcc wrote on Apr 8th, 2007 at 5:18pm:
ckcc, On my computer, I don't even know Ghost is running (Pentium D 3.2). No slowdown at all. My son has a P3 800 and you certainly do notice that Ghost is running. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on Apr 8th, 2007 at 6:22pm
Ckcc, you can – of course – throttle the performance of Norton Ghost 10 while it is running using the "Slow – Fast" slider.
Rad, concerning Reply #7, I tested the encryption feature of Norton Ghost 10 at the "standard" (AES 128-bit) level, and it is completely transparent to the user. The recovery point file size - and the time to create it - are essentially identical. Now knowing this, I see no disadvantage to adding a higher level of protection to the recovery point using encryption. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on May 1st, 2007 at 11:28am
Norton Ghost 12 has arrived. Information on the product (and the ability to purchase it) is now available on the Symantec website.
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Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12: Beta Release Post by Pleonasm on May 1st, 2007 at 3:41pm
Below are some of the more salient points that I noticed while reading the Norton Ghost 12 documentation.
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Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12 Post by Pleonasm on May 2nd, 2007 at 10:40am
Other observations on Norton Ghost 12:
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Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12 Post by Pleonasm on May 2nd, 2007 at 12:33pm
Backup Exec System Recovery 7.0 appears to be quite similar to Norton Ghost 12.0, with the primary addition of the ability to restore on dissimilar hardware. Readers of this thread may therefore find it helpful to view a nice movie that provides an introduction to the capabilities (see Backup Exec System Recovery Flash Demo link at the bottom of this webpage).
It occurs to me that the remote backup/restore feature of Norton Ghost 12.0 may possibly be helpful for those who serve as “system administrators” and “troubleshooters” for friends and family in distant locations. |
Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12 Post by Pleonasm on May 3rd, 2007 at 12:36pm
Sample screen images of Norton Ghost 12.0 are available for viewing at: Symantec Releases New Norton Programs.
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Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12 Post by enchanter on May 20th, 2007 at 12:50am
how do you restore disks with .gho files using ghost 12. I had ghost 2003 and have backups that I would syill like to recover with ghost 12 installed on my system.
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Title: Re: Norton Ghost 12 Post by Pleonasm on May 20th, 2007 at 8:44am
Enchanter, it is not possible to restore a .GHO image file using Norton Ghost 12 (although with Norton Ghost 10 the functionality is present in the recovery environment).
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