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Message started by leary on Feb 9th, 2007 at 5:45pm

Title: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 9th, 2007 at 5:45pm
The FAQs here are very helpful and I'm sure they will get thru in couple of days when I do my very first restore.  I do have a few concerns I need to get clear before I perform that task.

First a little history,
1. I'm backing up to USB external drive and using the "Back Up Now" option.

2. The C: SATA drive(from which I have been backing up from) has only 1 partition (in other words, I stupiedly did not partition off my XP OS separtely).

In a couple of days my new upgrade components will arrive which include a mobo, cpu, ram, and video card. Once installed into my old case with the old optical drives and the same SATA drive......will a simple restoring to the old reformated SATA drive with a partitioned off OS (see I can learn) be ok?  Or is there something else I need to know/do before I restore?

Thanks in advance!

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Ghost4me on Feb 10th, 2007 at 9:46am

unure wrote on Feb 9th, 2007 at 5:45pm:
In a couple of days my new upgrade components will arrive which include a mobo, cpu, ram, and video card. Once installed into my old case with the old optical drives and the same SATA drive......will a simple restoring to the old reformated SATA drive with a partitioned off OS (see I can learn) be ok?  Or is there something else I need to know/do before I restore?


No.  Sorry for the answer, but you can't just put a hard drive from an older computer into a newer motherboard/computer and expect it to work.  The motherboard is different and xp will probably not even boot, or else get blue screen stop.

You really need to do a clean fresh XP install, then re-install your applications and restore your data.  Anything else will likely give you problems off and on for months.

SOMETIMES, you can do a XP Repair install and it works depending on a lot of factors.

Here's some reading and references:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xp+change+motherboard

XP Repair Install:

Here's some guides on how to do it and the precautions. Of course, you should backup all your user data beforehand if you possibly can.

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/doug92.mspx

http://helpdesk.its.uiowa.edu/windows/instructions/repairinstall.htm

Finally, note that the intent of Ghost is to restore your backup onto the same system, not migrate to new pc's.


Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 10th, 2007 at 12:05pm

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Finally, note that the intent of Ghost is to restore your backup onto the same system, not migrate to new pc's.


Thank you, I unfortunately understand that now.


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You really need to do a clean fresh XP install, then re-install your applications and restore your data.


And then those applications can be restored from my old backup...correct?

Ok, I understand that and was planning on a clean fresh install knowing that drivers for the new components will not work just by using or restoring from the old backups (sorry my original post was not clear). I ment could I transfer/replace /migrate (sorry I'm not real clear on correct terminalogy) the files from the old backup such as My Documents /My Pictures and program files etc. The OS will be the exact same.  The main end result I'm looking for is to have all my info to be the same as it was on my old PC...on the new PC.


Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Ghost4me on Feb 10th, 2007 at 12:43pm

unure wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 12:05pm:
And then those applications can be restored from my old backup...correct?

The applications have to be re-installed on the new XP system.

Any data files, such as documents, pictures, etc. can be restored from your Ghost backup image.  I would run a Ghost "verify" on your backup on your usb drive beforehand just to be sure it is ok.



Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 10th, 2007 at 1:06pm
Wheeew!  Thanks.  You just lowered my anxiety level.  I will run Ghost "verify" beforehand as you suggested.  Since this procedure will be new to me I might have to return for clarification on the particulars.  Once again, you and this site have been very patient, helpful and a lifesaver........much thanks.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 10th, 2007 at 1:40pm

John. wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 9:46am:
SOMETIMES, you can do a XP Repair install and it works depending on a lot of factors

leary,

Why don't you try a Repair Install. It may just work and save you a lot of time. If it doesn't work then just delete the partition and install WinXP.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1146045354

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Ghost4me on Feb 10th, 2007 at 1:43pm
It's good that you are using an external usb2 drive.  Very handy.

As a "double precaution" for safety of your data/documents/pictures files, I would create a redundant backup of them using Windows Explorer:

1. Create a new folder on the usb2 drive called MyBackup
2. Then use a normal Windows copy with Windows Explorer to copy your my documents/pictures etc folders as subfolders to MyBackup.  (This is assuming you don't have giant video or music or other file types)

That way you have an extra copy of the most important items.

Another option would be to burn your critical documents and files to a cd or dvd for extra precaution.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 10th, 2007 at 2:06pm

John. wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 1:43pm:
It's good that you are using an external usb2 drive.  Very handy.

As a "double precaution" for safety of your data/documents/pictures files, I would create a redundant backup of them using Windows Explorer:

1. Create a new folder on the usb2 drive called MyBackup
2. Then use a normal Windows copy with Windows Explorer to copy your my documents/pictures etc folders as subfolders to MyBackup.  (This is assuming you don't have giant video or music or other file types)

That way you have an extra copy of the most important items.

Another option would be to burn your critical documents and files to a cd or dvd for extra precaution.


Good idea...I'll do it right now.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 10th, 2007 at 2:13pm

Brian wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 1:40pm:
leary,

Why don't you try a Repair Install. It may just work and save you a lot of time. If it doesn't work then just delete the partition and install WinXP.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1146045354


So I'm clear....after my new components are installed and my original HD drive in reformated....I should try to restore from my backup (in hopes it will even boot) then use XP repair install feature?  Sorry if I am misunderstanding but my experience in all areas except maybe hardware is quite limited.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 10th, 2007 at 2:28pm
Correct. Restore your backup image to one of the partitions you have created and then see if the OS boots. It probably won't so then boot to your WinXP CD and run the Repair Install.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 10th, 2007 at 4:09pm

Brian wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 2:28pm:
Correct. Restore your backup image to one of the partitions you have created and then see if the OS boots. It probably won't so then boot to your WinXP CD and run the Repair Install.


Great, I'll try that too.  I knew I could burn DVDs of MY Documents/pictures/music but its my Program Folder that I'm really concerned with because its too large and contains all apps....more importantly my Valve (Steam) account.  I live in a rual area with no DSL or cable BB so its dialup for me. I spent over 6 hours at a friends house downloading just that account and he did have DSL.  So getting the Program Folder intact to my new PC is critical.  Thanks again for everyone's help and when the time come next week I might need to pick your brains again!

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 10th, 2007 at 9:06pm

unure wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 4:09pm:
but its my Program Folder that I'm really concerned with because its too large and contains all apps....more importantly my Valve (Steam) account.  


By Program Folder, do you mean software you have downloaded or do you mean the WinXP Program Files folder?

Do you know how to mount an image?

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by NightOwl on Feb 10th, 2007 at 9:28pm
leary


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And then those applications can be restored from my old backup...correct?

If you are asking if the application programs will work after you restore them from a Ghost image file to the new system--the answer is *No*!

You can restore *data*--files that are independent of applications--such as *.doc* files, *.jpg* files, etc. that can be opened by an installed application.  But Windows based applications must be installed so they have their program Registry entries installed--a simple restore of the *.exe* file will not do that!

If the application is an OS independent application that has no entries required in the Registry--that program will work if it is restored from an image file!

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 10th, 2007 at 9:41pm

Brian wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 9:06pm:
By Program Folder, do you mean software you have downloaded or do you mean the WinXP Program Files folder?


Jeez, I thought they were the same.  I think it the WinXP Program Files folder cause that the usual default folder for games (Valve games are downloads) , and many other application folders like Adobe, even NS&R folder plus about 30 more folders.  So I think its WinXP Program Files folder.  


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Do you know how to mount an image


Not sure.  Do you mean using the "Copy My Hard Drive (Advance)" option on the NS&R menu? If so I did backup one time that way, but never had to use it.  I didn't think that was a good option for me because it image sthe entire HD (including my OS which is on the same partition) and thought everything would get screwed up with all the new components.  My thinking (probably wrong) was that the image of my old PC, if restored to the new PC with all the new components....it would just not work.  

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 10th, 2007 at 10:07pm
Let's say you download WinZip and the file is in My Documents. You then double click the file and run the install. Windows creates a folder in the Program Files folder and this contains a lot of WinZip files. In addition Windows puts entries in the registry and maybe files elsewhere in the C: drive. So you really can't copy only the Program Files folder to a new WinXP and expect the apps to function.

Mount An image (Mount a recovery point) :  Your recovery points are on the external HD. Right click a .v2i file and click Mount. OK the offered drive letter. If you now look in My Computer you will see a new "drive" which is your backup recovery point. You can copy and paste files (or drag) from this drive to your C: drive or to any other partition that may be present. See how easy it will be to get files from this backup recovery point into your new WinXP if you have to install WinXP from scratch.

To dismount the drive: Right click the drive letter and click Dismount recovery point.


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"Copy My Hard Drive (Advance)"

Don't use this. Restore the recovery point from the CD Recovery environment.

What brand computer? Any hidden partitions?

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 11th, 2007 at 12:46am

NightOwl wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 9:28pm:
leary

If you are asking if the application programs will work after you restore them from a Ghost image file to the new system--the answer is *No*!

You can restore *data*--files that are independent of applications--such as *.doc* files, *.jpg* files, etc. that can be opened by an installed application.  But Windows based applications must be installed so they have their program Registry entries installed--a simple restore of the *.exe* file will not do that!

If the application is an OS independent application that has no entries required in the Registry--that program will work if it is restored from an image file!

Let me see if I understand....anything which enters info to the registry (Windows based applications, can you give an example of one) needs to be reinstalled?  I guess wht I don't understand is, I was under the impression if this were a simple complete backup image of a HD to another HD (same PC).....all would work and be the same, including Windows based applications. I'm little confused.  Maybe it best to wait til my PC has all it new components installed and then maybe you guys can guide me through it.  



Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 11th, 2007 at 12:58am

unure wrote on Feb 11th, 2007 at 12:46am:
I was under the impression if this were a simple complete backup image of a HD to another HD (same PC).....all would work and be the same, including Windows based applications.

Absolutely correct.

The confusing aspect is you are putting that image into a computer with different hardware so WinXP may not boot because it doesn't have the correct drivers for the motherboard etc.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 11th, 2007 at 1:17am

Brian wrote on Feb 10th, 2007 at 10:07pm:
Let's say you download WinZip and the file is in My Documents. You then double click the file and run the install. Windows creates a folder in the Program Files folder and this contains a lot of WinZip files. In addition Windows puts entries in the registry and maybe files elsewhere in the C: drive. So you really can't copy only the Program Files folder to a new WinXP and expect the apps to function.

Mount An image (Mount a recovery point) :  Your recovery points are on the external HD. Right click a .v2i file and click Mount. OK the offered drive letter. If you now look in My Computer you will see a new "drive" which is your backup recovery point. You can copy and paste files (or drag) from this drive to your C: drive or to any other partition that may be present. See how easy it will be to get files from this backup recovery point into your new WinXP if you have to install WinXP from scratch.

To dismount the drive: Right click the drive letter and click Dismount recovery point.

Don't use this. Restore the recovery point from the CD Recovery environment.

What brand computer? Any hidden partitions?



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Restore the recovery point from the CD Recovery environment.

Which means use the Back up Now option instead..right?


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[What brand computer? Any hidden partitions?

No.  Just one.

My computer now (before the ugrade) is one I built.....

Gigabyte K8NE rev. 2
AMD Athlon 64 +3400 2.4 Ghz  
2 Gigs Ultra 3200 DDR RAM  
HIS X1900XTX IceQ3 512mb
Seagate NL35 Series 250 GB SATA Internal Hard Drive
NEC NR-7900A CD-RW IDE Internal 24x10x40
Samsung 56X DVD ROM
Floppy
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Channels 24-bit PCI Sound Card
ULTRA-QUIET PSU: SILENCER® 470 ATX
328 Black 3 LED fan Custom Gaming Mid-Tower ATX Computer
Windows XP Home Edition

The top 4 components will be upgraded.  All I hope for is to have it run with all the same files, folders, programs and applications as I do now (if thats possible).  Maybe it best to run a backup (Back Up Now)  right before I nstall the new stuff and as I mentioned in the previous post to Nightowl...wait til then to seek your help.  You all have been real patient with me and all your advice/procedures will make more sense when its time to actually do it. The last thing I want is to fluster you all to the point you won't want to help me.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 11th, 2007 at 1:33am

unure wrote on Feb 11th, 2007 at 1:17am:
The last thing I want is to fluster you all to the point you won't want to help me.

That won't happen. Ask as many questions as you want.


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Maybe it best to run a backup (Back Up Now)  right before I nstall the new stuff

Yes, do that. Make sure you defrag the C: drive before creating the recovery point. It's a good idea to have several backup recovery points for redundancy.

Have you mastered Mounting a recovery point? As we've indicated, you can get data files out of the mounted recovery point but you can't get whole programs and make them work.

You may be lucky. Your restored image may work without any special assistance or it may work after a Repair install.

How are you planning to setup your partitions?
How much data is on your current C: drive and how large is the Recovery Point (.v2i file)?

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 11th, 2007 at 9:19am

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The confusing aspect is you are putting that image into a computer with different hardware so WinXP may not boot because it doesn't have the correct drivers for the motherboard etc.

I now know that unfortunately.  Both of you have said that maybe.....just maybe if I was lucky and mounted a image from my old PC to the new one, it might boot and I could repair the OS from the WINCD.  So is it really worth the try?


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Have you mastered Mounting a recovery point? As we've indicated, you can get data files out of the mounted recovery point but you can't get whole programs and make them work.


No.  ever since I got NS&R, all I have done is backup.  There hasn't been a need to restore so this will be my first time...scary.


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How are you planning to setup your partitions?

Plan? Maybe you have forgotten to whom your speaking :). Well, I always used 1 partition because of laziness and inexperience(loaded OS and Data) but I have learned thats not a good idea so my plan is to have 2.  One for XP and everything else on the 2nd.


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How much data is on your current C: drive and how large is the Recovery Point (.v2i file)?

First , let me say that at the end of every backup it said the procedure was successful though I really never have verified it.  That said, since my USB external HD is brand new and as only 1 backup on it from a couple of days ago.  Checking the Norton Backup folder (which there is only one) the file named "C_DRIVE010 Symantec Image File" has 20,209,664 KB.  The other file named "Symantec Recovery Disk File" (V2i) has only 1 KB.  Since you specificly ask about that one....I'm now worried it has only 1 KB. I can't remember in the past even when I had many recovery points that file been more than 1 KB....but I can't say for sure.  I going to run another backup right now and see.  Plus you guys have said its a good idea to several points just in case.

In an eariler post I was asked to....

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Right click a .v2i file and click Mount

Right clicking just gets me the usual windows options such OPEN WITH...SEND TO...blah blah.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by NightOwl on Feb 11th, 2007 at 10:08am
leary


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just maybe if I was lucky and mounted a image from my old PC to the new one, it might boot and I could repair the OS from the WINCD.

Just to be clear and to make sure you understand--you create a backup image and save it--say to your external HDD--you then *restore* that image after booting to the Ghost Recovery Environment because you can not restore you OS partition from within a running Window OS.

*Mounting* an already created image is done in order to have access to files that have been stored in the image file--you can then recover the files if you need them--all this is done from your Windows OS that's up and running, and you use your Ghost program to access that image file--*mounting* an image is not the same as *restoring* an image.


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So is it really worth the try?

That's up to you!  *Nothing ventured--nothing gained!*--how much is your time worth--do you want to experiment?  If it doesn't work, you just pop in your WinXP installation CD and overwrite what you have previously attempted--you have your backup image as safety--personally, I'd invest in a second HDD--remove the original for safe keeping--and *play* with the new HDD--and once all done--install both HDD's for use--or keep the second HDD for emergency use if that's your preference!


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First , let me say that at the end of every backup it said the procedure was successful though I really never have verified it.

You should have Ghost *verify* each backup you create to make sure Ghost *sees* your backup as valid, and not corrupt for any reason--redundancy/safety!


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Plan? Maybe you have forgotten to whom your speaking . Well, I always used 1 partition because of laziness and inexperience(loaded OS and Data) but I have learned thats not a good idea so my plan is to have 2.  One for XP and everything else on the 2nd.

Keep your partitioning as simple as makes sense to you--the more complicated--the more you have to keep track of!  But, here's some guidance to make you think about your *plan*:

Radified Partitioning Strategies

PLANNING YOUR PARTITIONS

Partitioning Help, Dual Booting

Partitioning is a *personal* thing--should make sense to you and your *needs*!

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 11th, 2007 at 11:39am
As far as what I do know and don't will come quite clear after reading the following....


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Just to be clear and to make sure you understand--you create a backup image and save it--say to your external HDD

That I know how to do.


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you then *restore* that image after booting to the Ghost Recovery Environment

That I have never done...not sure how yet.


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--*mounting* an image is not the same as *restoring* an image.

I thought they were the same....I know the difference now, thanks.


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*Mounting*

Never have done that...not sure how.


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You should have Ghost *verify* each backup you create to make sure Ghost *sees* your backup as valid, and not corrupt for any reason--redundancy/safety!

Ok sounds good, but not sure how.

Btw, I took some screenshots of my backups (not too clear)...




The V2i file is only 1 KB....should it be?




Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 11th, 2007 at 2:06pm
leary,


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The other file named "Symantec Recovery Disk File" (V2i) has only 1 KB.  Since you specificly ask about that one....I'm now worried it has only 1 KB.


This file is an index file and can be completely ignored. That's what I do. It's actually .sv2i and not .v2i so I assume you right clicked the wrong file when you tried to mount the recovery point. You need to right click a .v2i file which are C_Drive010 and C_Drive 011.

In My Computer, what are the Total Size and Free Space of your C: drive? To plan your partitions we need to advise you how large to make the new C: drive.

Thanks for the screen shots. The Recovery point browser does much the same as mounting a recovery point but mounting is much easier to use.

To verify at the same time as create...    NSR should be the same as Ghost 10.


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Start Ghost 10
click Back Up Now
click Define New Backup
In the Easy Setup Window put a dot in Define a new custom backup. OK
click Next in the Define Backup Wizard
select the drive to backup. Next
put dot in Independent recovery point. Next
choose the location for the backup image. Next
Compression Standard (recommended). Tick verify. Untick Limit the number of ... Ignore Advanced if you don't need to split the image. Next
dot in Manually
tick Create Recovery point now
Finish



PS In Folder Options, View tab, I'd remove the tick in "Hide extensions for known file types". That's what led you to think the Index file was .v2i.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 11th, 2007 at 2:45pm

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This file is an index file and can be completely ignored. That's what I do. It's actually .sv2i and not .v2i so I assume you right clicked the wrong file when you tried to mount the recovery point. You need to right click a .v2i file which are C_Drive010 and C_Drive 011


Silly me.  Found it, r-clicked and saw the the options
1. Mount recovery point
2. Dismount recovery point (not available)
3. Properties
4. Verify recovery point
5. Archive recovery point

I didn.t go any further.  Is that something I want to do now? Or wait till after I install then new stuff and preparing my HD?


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In My Computer, what are the Total Size and Free Space of your C: drive? To plan your partitions we need to advise you how large to make the new C: drive.


C: drive is 27.2 Gigs of used space and 205 Gigs of free space.



Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 11th, 2007 at 3:15pm
You should play with mounting to understand how it works. You can't do any damage as when you dismount the drive the image is unchanged.

I suggest you make your new C: drive 50 GB. Future data can go to the data partition following the C: drive.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 11th, 2007 at 4:47pm

Brian wrote on Feb 11th, 2007 at 3:15pm:
You should play with mounting to understand how it works. You can't do any damage as when you dismount the drive the image is unchanged.

I suggest you make your new C: drive 50 GB. Future data can go to the data partition following the C: drive.


Wiil do..to both suggestions. Btw, thanks for the verify while creating procedures.  I'll try it on my next backp.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 13th, 2007 at 1:11pm
Well, my new parts will arrive to day sometime and if time allows I will be able to attempt to install and use the info you provide me to get XP up and running. All the links you provided has helped a lot. I check with MS activation to see if my XP Home OEM is the type that will allow me to reactivate and it is and due to the major upgrades (WPA) I will have to.

So here is my plan:
1. Create a current valid backup point on the ext. USB drive.
2. Install all new parts including my old SATA drive with all data+OS intact.
3. Attempt to boot from the WINCD

If it works, do a repair and hope for the best.  Best case senerio eveything will work....worst case....fresh install and restore as much data I can from the backup.

From the links you provided, it mentions that XP OS will not always provide the option to repair if the changes to the system are too great in which case I probably be back seeking your guidance for my first NS&R recovery.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 13th, 2007 at 1:58pm
leary,

Yes, create a new recovery point after having defragged the C: drive. Have a look at the defrag graphic to confirm that all data is contained within the first 50 GB of the HD. Estimate if it looks OK.

Good luck with plan #1. There are several more if it works or if it fails.




Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 13th, 2007 at 4:12pm

Brian wrote on Feb 13th, 2007 at 1:58pm:
leary,

Yes, create a new recovery point after having defragged the C: drive. Have a look at the defrag graphic to confirm that all data is contained within the first 50 GB of the HD. Estimate if it looks OK.

Good luck with plan #1. There are several more if it works or if it fails.


Here is a pic of my degraged HD.  How can you tell if its contained within the first 50 gigs?  If the full bar represents all 250 gigs then I'd have to say no.  Does it have to do with the way its partitiion?  Cause I only have one.



Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 13th, 2007 at 8:32pm
Thanks for that image. It looks like your data is spread over about 150 GB of the HD so the recovery point wouldn't restore to a 50 GB partition. I suggest downloading and installing PerfectDisk 8. They have a trial version. It should reduce that data spread.

http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/perfectdisk_download.cfm

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 14th, 2007 at 12:13pm
I ran the program.  I first analyze then selected entire drive with all files.  It recommended offline defrag (which I indicated OK) and it rebooted and defragged before booting to desktop.  I then checked and it didn’t consolidate all the files to the left as I thought it would.  Looked the same with the free space gaps as before.  So I ran it again and this time it indicated the HD was defragged and fine. Nothing need be done. I see no other options on the menu that would help. Did I miss something?

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 14th, 2007 at 1:10pm
Sounds like you did everything correctly. You did the Offline as well as the Entire Drive defrag choices. What does the graphic look like in PerfectDisk? Are the free space gaps like the Windows defrag app? If so, get PerfectDisk to run an Aggressive free space consolidation. It's under Drive Properties.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 14th, 2007 at 2:55pm
Got it to work by using SMARTREPLACEMENT function.  See pic.  That one blue line in the middle is really GREEN (unmoveable files) why this screenshot shows it as blue....who knows.  Since it unmoveable files does it pose the same problem ( partitioning 50 gigs)?


Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 14th, 2007 at 3:26pm
Leary, it's green in my browser. Have a look in PerfectDisk, Analyse function. Is there data in the same place as shown in the Windows defragger? What is it? "Excluded" or "MFT/MFT Zone"? See the Legend section for the colour code.

From memory, PerfectDisk likes to put the PageFile in the middle of the drive and this is labelled "Excluded".

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 14th, 2007 at 3:44pm
Leary, do you have Partition Magic? Using PM would allow you to make the C: drive any size.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1170971170

Looks like this expires tomorrow.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 14th, 2007 at 4:48pm

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Leary, it's green in my browser.


It is green but when I see it here its blue.....odd. PD view is the same as Win defragger. I do have PM so I can make any size partition.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 14th, 2007 at 5:15pm

unure wrote on Feb 14th, 2007 at 4:48pm:
I do have PM so I can make any size partition.

Well that makes things easy.

I'd still be interested in.


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What is it? "Excluded" or "MFT/MFT Zone"? See the Legend section for the colour code.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 15th, 2007 at 8:52pm
Can't answer that now cause I have no computer (I'm using the local librarys).  I didn't expect to need a 12V 8-pin connector to power my new CPU >:(.  So I'm  here trying to find somewhere I can order a 4 to 8-pin  adapter overnight.

Hopefully I should be up and running by friday night in which case I'll know if plan A worked or be back here begging for a help on plan B

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 15th, 2007 at 9:29pm

unure wrote on Feb 13th, 2007 at 1:11pm:
So here is my plan:

If it works, do a repair and hope for the best.  


Just cleaning up the plan. If it boots and everything looks OK then you don't need to do a repair install. If it doesn't boot (or blue screens) then do a repair install.

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by leary on Feb 17th, 2007 at 5:54am

Brian wrote on Feb 15th, 2007 at 9:29pm:
Just cleaning up the plan. If it boots and everything looks OK then you don't need to do a repair install. If it doesn't boot (or blue screens) then do a repair install.


Well who would have ever guessed (except you)!!! Usually, if wasn't for bad luck......I wouldn't have any luck at all BUT.....it booted right up and no blue screens (I did have to load all the new drivers for the new components.

I want to thank you Brian and Nightowl too for all you help and patients.  I still have yet to preform a restore but who knows...maybe...just maybe I still have some luck saved up, but should it run out....I'll know where and who to turn to.....Again  all my thanks...YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Restoring with NS&R
Post by Brian on Feb 17th, 2007 at 11:48am

unure wrote on Feb 17th, 2007 at 5:54am:
it booted right up and no blue screens

Excellent. Time for a beer.

The hard work is almost over but the even better news is you don't have to restore an image because you can resize your C: drive with Partition Magic. Make a recovery point before the resize. Shrink the C:  partition to 50 GB or whatever size you desire. The resizing should run quickly as you have shifted all the data to the left by defragging. This will leave about 185 GB of unallocated space to the right of the C: drive for your (yet to be created) other partition(s).

Thanks for keeping us informed about your interesting project.

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