What is Ghost 12?
Was there a Ghost 11?

Seems to be different than Norton Save and Restore?
See
http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/themes/vista/faq.jsp

Howard, please see this thread.

Norton Save & Restore 1.0 included "Ghost 11", although there appeared to be no functional difference of the application as compared to Ghost 10 (possibly with the exception of different drivers on the recovery environment CD).

thanx

Pleonasm wrote on Feb 19^th, 2007 at 9:40am:

Norton Save & Restore 1.0 included "Ghost 11", although there appeared to be no functional difference of the application as compared to Ghost 10 (possibly with the exception of different drivers on the recovery environment CD).

Not true.  There is one big functional difference between Ghost 10 and Norton S&R:  Norton S&R added the capability/function to backup selected folders/files in addition to image backups.

Pleonasm wrote on Feb 19^th, 2007 at 9:40am:

"... Norton Save & Restore 1.0 included "Ghost 11", although there appeared to be no functional difference of the application as compared to Ghost 10..."

WHOA ... my head is starting to spin.  It sounds as if there is not only a "hot-imaging" consumer product designated Ghost 11, but there is also a "cold-imaging" enterprise product with the same designation.

EP :'(

El_Pescador


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WHOA ... my head is starting to spin.

Corporate Ghost 8.x is the recent past Ghost version.

Symantec released retail Ghost 9.x and 10.x--which are really not based on the previous DOS based Ghost as is the Corporate v8.x!

Apparently, when Symantec wanted to release a major update to their Corporate Ghost 8.x, they felt it would be *too confusing* to call the next release *Ghost 9.x*, which then overlaps with their retail Ghost 9.x!

So, Symantec jumped from Ghost v8.x to Ghost v11.x on their corporate side.

And, Ghost 9 and 10 has morphed into *Norton Save and Restore*.

(By the way, the Corporate *Ghost Solution Suite v1.0* is when Ghost v8.2 was released--and *Ghost Solution Suite v2.0* now has the *Ghost 11* version designation!)

It appears that *Ghost 12* is going to be a retail version of Ghost--see the quote here:  Norton Ghost 12:  Beta Release

I don't think Symantec has ever called their retail *Norton Save & Restore* Ghost 11.x--that I have seen!


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Norton Ghost 12.0 offers all the power of the Symantec Norton Save & Restore, with a few additional features.

So, will it be DOS based....or Ghost Save and Restore (Ghost 9/10) based?!  Talk about random naming confusion!

I've had a quick look at the Ghost 12 beta. It needs dotNet Framework 2 and it resembles Ghost 10 but with a slightly different GUI. The CD boots marginally faster than Ghost 10 and the recovery environment has Ghost type 10 menus and Ghost 10 type drive letters (same drive letters as WinXP). I didn't check any of the fancy feature such as..


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advanced features like Remote Management, Physical to Virtual image conversion, and LightsOut Recovery.

Brian

Thanks for your input--I guess that tells us that retail Ghost 12 will not be related in any way to the Corporate Ghost 11 product!

Ghost4me, sorry for the confusion.  The intent of my comments in Reply #1 was not to suggest that Norton Save & Restore 1.0 is the same as Norton Ghost, but only that (1) the Norton Ghost component within NSR is known as “version 11,” and (2) that this component isn’t substantially different from the separately sold Norton Ghost 10 product.

As Rad noted previously, NSR 1.0 is sometimes known as “Ghost 11” – see this post.

NightOwl, I was unaware that the corporate “Ghost Solution Suite v2.0 now has the Ghost 11 version designation.”  Good to know (but quite confusing, I agree.)

NightOwl said: "Ghost Solution Suite v2.0* now has the *Ghost 11* version designation!"

I am not able to find documentation which says this.

http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/products/overview.jsp?pcid=1025&pvid=865_1

Where have you seen this referenced?

Brian, can you confirm that both Ghost 2003 and Ghost 8.2 are absent from Ghost 12?

I think we'd have to wait until the official retail product comes out to know for sure.

Pleonasm wrote on Feb 20^th, 2007 at 12:22pm:

Brian, can you confirm that both Ghost 2003 and Ghost 8.2 are absent from Ghost 12?

Pleo, there is no "Legacy" choice in the Recovery Environment. The files and folders layout in the ISO are quite different from previous Ghost versions. The ISO size is 179 MB and there is a large file called boot.wim which is 147 MB.


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I think we'd have to wait until the official retail product comes out to know for sure.

I agree.

Brian, the absence of the “legacy” option in the recovery environment for Ghost 12 isn’t encouraging.  Of course, we’ll need to wait and see what the final product bundle contains, but it suggests that Ghost 8.2 is disappearing from the consumer landscape.

Have you also looked at the beta version of Norton Save & Restore 2.0?  If so, how is the Ghost component of NSR 2.0 similar to (different from) Ghost 12?

Pleonasm wrote on Feb 20^th, 2007 at 2:23pm:

Have you also looked at the beta version of Norton Save & Restore 2.0?

No, haven't seen it.

i thought with ns&r we'd have no more "ghost".

symantec is going to offer *both* ghost 12 *and* ns&r 2.0?

these 2 products seem nearly identical (one also backs up folders).

Rad


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NightOwl said: "Ghost Solution Suite v2.0* now has the *Ghost 11* version designation!" I am not able to find documentation which says this. http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/products/overview.jsp?pcid=1025&p vid=865_1 Where have you seen this referenced?

I found the reference from the *Product Manuals* found at the following links--see either the *Manual Description*, the *Readme.txt*, or the *Implementation Guide*--the second page shows the *version* of the Guide:

Symantec Ghost Solution Suite 1.0 Product Manuals

Symantec Ghost Solution Suite 1.1 Product Manuals

Symantec Ghost Solution Suite 2.0 Product Manuals

Rad, yes:  there will be both a Norton Save & Restore 2.0 and a Norton Ghost 12 product within about the next 60 days, just as there exists a Norton Save & Restore 1.0 and a Norton Ghost 10 product today.  True, the latter two products do have a lot in common, with additional file/folder backup capabilities added to NSR.

It is only speculation on my part, but I would not be surprised if the Ghost component in Norton Save & Restore 2.0 will be lacking the new advanced features that have been added to Norton Ghost 12 (e.g., physical-to-virtual image conversion).  As a consequence, I also would not be surprised to see a substantial price difference between the two products, nor would I be surprised to find the price of Norton Ghost 12 higher than that of Norton Ghost 10.

NightOwl,

Thanks for the follow-up. Reading the manuals .. I shoulda known.  :)

Pleo,

Does it seem Symantec is marketing S&R towards the (less tech-savvy) home user, and Ghost (with more sophisticated options) to the power user?

Anybody stumble across any Ghost 12 "sightings" on the 'Net?