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Message started by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 7:32pm

Title: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 7:32pm
I installed Norton Ghost 12 today, grabbing some screenshots along the way.

Did a fresh boot after complete computer shurdown, before installing Ghost 12.

Only program open was Photoshop (for screenshots).

Would like to throw together a little guide, incorporating what we've learned about backing up a hard drive.

I also created a new subdomain for new Ghost stuff > nortonghost.radified.com

I have a little problem with the old subdomain (ghost.radified.com) cuz the associated folder used to be /Ghost (Capital 'G") .. but when I moved the site to Lunarpages, their system only lets you use a folder with same name as prefix on subdomain (i.e. > /ghost .. notice lowercase "g")

Since Unix/Linux servers are CaSe-SenSiTive, this has caused my some headaches (I was having to maintain *two* separate directories for a while).

Anyway, I want to leave that behind ... hence the new subdomain. It appears to be working fine, but I need to upload some pages there, particularly an index.html page.

I also want to create some XHTML web pages for this new guide. I've been reading up on that the last week or two. XHTML is a "stricter and cleaner version of HTML." Some background:

http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp

Should be able to generate cleaner code (XHTML).

Anyway, here are some of the screenshots I grabbed. You should recognize them:











Ghost 12 image directory > http://nortonghost.radified.com/gfx/

Needs a reboot following G12 install.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by El_Pescador on Jun 11th, 2007 at 8:45pm
[edit]
Brian wrote on May 16th, 2007 at 10:26pm:
"... Rad, welcome to the dark side..."

During the trial of the eight Chicago "Black Sox" players accused of throwing the 1919 World Series against the Cincinatti Reds, the mighty "Shoeless Joe" Jackson was descending the courthouse steps surrounded by frantic newsmen.  When Jackson stepped down onto the sidewalk and out to the curb, a tearful barefoot and ragged newsboy ran right up to him crying out, "Say it ain't so, Joe!  Please, say it ain't so!!!".

Tonight, more than a few of us can readily relate to that little newsboy's sentiments ::)

Pesky
:'([/edit]

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 9:46pm
Subsequent reboot brought up the following notice:



I currently have .Net framework 1.1 installed. (plus a hotfix)

I noticed there is .Net 2.0 Service Pack 1:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=0C1B0A88-59E2-4EBA-A70E-4CD851C5FCC4&displaylang=en

and also .Net 3.0:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=10CC340B-F857-4A14-83F5-25634C3BF043&displaylang=en

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:03pm
Next screen, after installing .Net 2.0:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:07pm
then:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:11pm
then:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:13pm

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by tallin on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:14pm
I have .NET Framework 1.1  2.0 and 3.0 if this helps and run Ghost 10 which performs magnificently for me.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:16pm


They are correct. My external USB is currently *not* connected. And my laptop drives are pretty full.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:19pm

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:28pm
Plugged in my external USB drive (500 gigger Seagate):


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:35pm

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:39pm
We're backing up ...


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:47pm
Seems to be going fairly quickly. Almost done:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:50pm
Now it's backing up "files & folders"


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:05pm
Success!


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:06pm
How close is this to what you see in Ghost 9 & 10?

My C drive contains 16 gigs of data (30 gig partition).

The total image files = 11 gigs.

That's decent compression.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:15pm
Here's the files in my image storage folder (totaling 11 gigs):



the top folder shown contains 90 MB of "File Backup Data"

I like that they call (label) them "Image files"

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:19pm
Contents of "File Backup Data" folder:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by tallin on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:22pm
;)  I never use my computer when Ghost is doing a recovery image - somewhere I read that you should not.

Ghost 12 looks much like Ghost 10 looking at all your files.

Good work

[edit]Rad edit - I normally don't do anything while creating images either. But I wanted to grab these screenshots. So I needed open Photoshop, IE7 browser & CuteFTP to up the files. Next time I'll do a fresh reboot & image + nothing else.[/edit]

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:24pm
Ghost 12 status:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:29pm
Norton Ghost 12 Tools:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:31pm
Norton Ghost 12 Tasks:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by Rad on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:40pm
Norton Ghost 12 "Advanced" tab:


Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, some screenshots
Post by tallin on Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:41pm
You have done well, interesting thread and will help and give confidence to others.

kind regards,  :o

[edit]Rad edit. Thanks. Think I'm done pulling screenshots.[/edit]

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by rulirahm on Jun 12th, 2007 at 11:01pm
Just a simple question, how do you restore the My Documents Backup?

Last night, I recovered my computer using backup that was created three days ago and the last My Documents backup running one days ago. My Documents folder is in C:\user\rulirahm.

BTW, just like Ghost 10, after recovering, Ghost 12 can't indentified its previous backup files. So we must define a new backup for drive C  :(

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Pleonasm on Jun 13th, 2007 at 9:14am
Rad, very nice thread - and thanks for capturing and posting the screen images!

You may wish to configure several Norton Ghost 12 settings to meet your preferences.  Personally, I use the high level of encryption (AES 256), high level of compression, and I have the application verify the recovery point automatically after creation (all in Norton Ghost 10).

Have you checked that you can boot into the recovery environment okay, and that it recognizes the hard disk drive containing your recovery points?

Have you done a test restore yet?

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Larrycleve on Jun 14th, 2007 at 4:44am
I had a lot of problems with ghost 12. See my thread. I noticed on your install the drivers validation screen appeared. This did not appear when I installed ghost 12. I used the download file from Symantec which I downloaded twice.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Rad on Jun 18th, 2007 at 10:30am
Looking at Reply #15 above, it appears "My Documents" arer backed-up separately, and it seems this data is stored in a separate folder.

Yes, I have verified I can boot into Recovery environment & can see the external drive where my image is stored.

No, haven't done a test-restore.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by El_Pescador on Jun 18th, 2007 at 11:51am

Rad wrote on Jun 18th, 2007 at 10:30am:
"... No, haven't done a test-restore..."

Since you have chosen to engage the latest lineal descendant of PowerQuest Drive Image 7.n, perhaps you should construct a "defense-in-depth" prior to actually performing a test-restore (as we Southerners say, 'It's sorta' like wearing both a belt and suspenders on the same pair of trousers.').  I strongly advocate the "(whole)disk-to-image" legacy Norton Ghost Backup procedure with its concomitant "image-to-disk" legacy Ghost Restore whenever employing the "cold-imaging" Norton Ghost Ver 8.2 inside the Windows XP Preinstallation Environment.

Boot up whatever relevant Norton/Symantec installation CD you have on hand to immediately engage the legacy Backup/Restore "cold-imaging" procedures by following the path 'Recover > Recover Data on My Computer > Recover using a legacy Ghost image' and create a "disk-to-image" legacy Norton Ghost Backup image to reside anywhere else other than on the MASTER HDD.  At this point an Integrity Check on the legacy Ghost Backup image would be prudent as it would instill a high confidence level before performing the "acid-test" of a Norton Ghost 12 test-restore.

Pesky :'(

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Pleonasm on Jun 18th, 2007 at 3:13pm
The advice (Reply #29) from El_Pescador, as usual, is both wise and prudent.  Backup is about redundancy, and the core gist of El_Pescador comment is about application redundancy – having two utilities, each doing essentially the same thing, guards against the (remote) possibility of an application/PC incompatibility arising.

After having verified that Norton Ghost 12 works as expected on your hardware, though, the need for this tactic is reduced substantially.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by rleescott on Aug 21st, 2007 at 9:15am
Hello:
I am currently testing the copy function of G12 and will post the final results http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1186249124/0
In the meantime I am looking for a workaround for the fact that:
1) I can't boot to the recovery environment because after loading files it says bios incompatability and won't proceed.
2)I can't make a custom recovery disk because the driver validation lists drivers i haven't installed, haven't heard of, and can't find on google, e.g. passport minischeduler

Will this work?
create recovery point and store to external hard drive.
Remove primary drive with xp2 os and replace with new drive.
Install xp2 from same cd that was used for the first drive.
Install G12.
Can I now access the recovery point from external drive and convert the fresh xp install to the clone of the original? I hope to have the drivers I need from the xpinstall and avoid the bios issue.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by rleescott on Aug 21st, 2007 at 9:16am
Hello:
I am currently testing the copy function of G12 and will post the final results http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1186249124/0
In the meantime I am looking for a workaround for the fact that:
1) I can't boot to the recovery environment because after loading files it says bios incompatability and won't proceed.
2)I can't make a custom recovery disk because the driver validation lists drivers i haven't installed, haven't heard of, and can't find on google, e.g. passport minischeduler

Will this work?
create recovery point and store to external hard drive.
Remove primary drive with xp2 os and replace with new drive.
Install xp2 from same cd that was used for the first drive.
Install G12.
Can I now access the recovery point from external drive and convert the fresh xp install to the clone of the original? I hope to have the drivers I need from the xpinstall and avoid the bios issue.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by NightOwl on Aug 21st, 2007 at 9:30am
rleescott


Quote:
Will this work?

I'm not a Ghost 12 user, but if you are restoring the OS partition--in previous versions of Windows based Ghost, you have to boot to the *Recovery Environment* from the *Recovery Disk* to restore an OS partition recovery point!

Hopefully, a Ghost 12 user can confirm this requirement.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by rleescott on Aug 21st, 2007 at 10:14am
Thanks for the reply. I am pretty sure that I can use a recovery point from an existing windows boot if something goes wrong with the existing system, e.g., virus, malware, etc. therefore, i don't think you have to boot from the srd to use a restore point. Whether my scenario will work is another issue. Hope to hear from others soon.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by NightOwl on Aug 21st, 2007 at 10:36am
rleescott


Quote:
Thanks for the reply. I am pretty sure that I can use a recovery point from an existing windows boot if something goes wrong with the existing system, e.g., virus, malware, etc. therefore, i don't think you have to boot from the srd to use a restore point.

Individual files and folders--maybe--but the whole OS partition--not too sure!

But, here's a possible *work-around*--but it's somewhat complicated:

Install WinXP using only a small portion of the new HDD, install Ghost 12 as stated.  Now restore the recovery point to a the remaining portion of the HDD--have to watch out for boot issues, drive letter assignments, hidden and active primary partitions, etc.  

Brian has done something like this using the Ghost32.exe (v8.2) found on the Ghost 10 Recovery Disk on a system that he multi-boots to two installations of WinXP on separate primary partitions.  Ghost32.exe is a Windows based version of the DOS Ghost 8.xx  version which runs only under Windows--but you can not use it to restore the Windows OS partition from which it is being run--but you could use it to create images and restore images on another non-active OS partition.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Brian on Aug 21st, 2007 at 3:55pm
rleescott,

NightOwl is correct. You must restore an active OS partition from the recovery environment. You can restore other partitions, eg your data partition, from Windows. You can restore non active OS partitions from Windows. NightOwl mentioned doing this with Ghost32.exe.

You can do something similar with Ghost 12. I have two WinXP OS in my computer. The second is just basic, no antivirus, no apps, only used for testing. This OS is hidden when I'm using my main WinXP. But I can image and restore this other WinXP partition from my main WinXP using Ghost 12. A restore takes 1 minute. It's very convenient. This could help you except in the event of a HD failure. But you would need Ghost 12 installed in both WinXPs. You could create images of your main WinXP from the main WinXP and restore images of your main WinXP from your other WinXP. Messy, but it would work.  

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Brian on Aug 21st, 2007 at 6:58pm

NightOwl wrote on Aug 21st, 2007 at 10:36am:
But, here's a possible *work-around*--but it's somewhat complicated:

Install WinXP using only a small portion of the new HDD, install Ghost 12 as stated.  Now restore the recovery point to a the remaining portion of the HDD--have to watch out for boot issues, drive letter assignments, hidden and active primary partitions, etc.  

That would be a solution if you had a HD failure of your current HD.

Does your computer boot to the WinXP CD?

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by rleescott on Aug 22nd, 2007 at 8:59am
Thanks Brian and night owl. I reviewed the G12 user guide, and, as usual you guys are right. I can't recover my os thru a recovery point without the recovery environment. So now it's time for the hard question.
1)What to do about the bios incompatability mentioned after the srd loads files. it says not compatable with (I have forgotten the 4 letters mentioned and am not at that location, something like AD??) I search ms database and it has something to do with a list of bios before 1999 versus after 1999. If your bios isn't on the list you get this message. Of course the system requirements from symantec for G12 make no mention of this issue before purchase.
Secondly, where do i get drivers like miniport scheduler that the driver validation says I
need to create a custom srd to do a recovery? None of those listed are anything I have ever installed and I assume are part of the xp install. I know others have this problem because the screen shots of G12 test run posted elsewhere on this forum showed the same missing drivers as I do. But no solution is mentioned.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Brian on Aug 22nd, 2007 at 4:50pm

rleescott wrote on Aug 22nd, 2007 at 8:59am:
Secondly, where do i get drivers like miniport scheduler that the driver validation says I
need to create a custom srd to do a recovery?

I'm pretty sure I was missing that driver too. I just chose "automatic" (I'm going on memory) when I ran the create custom CD and Ghost 12 did everything. It finds the drivers from your WinXP.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by rleescott on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 8:49am
Thanks. I will try to make a custom srd and see what happens. I take it that if I use that new srd to do a driver validation and it works like you say, then it will indicate that I have the needed drivers?

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by rleescott on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 2:10pm
Brian or others:
If you can help with the bios issue, here is the error message:
Firmware(bios) is not ACPI compatible
        9661N
Even id I get the customsrd to work, I'm stuck if it won't go past this point. Is there a fix for this? Surely there are others who have seen this problem.

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Carolina_Mike on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 3:43pm

rleescott wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 2:10pm:
Brian or others:
If you can help with the bios issue, here is the error message:
Firmware(bios) is not ACPI compatible
        9661N
Even id I get the customsrd to work, I'm stuck if it won't go past this point. Is there a fix for this? Surely there are others who have seen this problem.



Have you gone into your Bios and tried cutting it on.  With some of the older boards you could cut it off and on.  You also might try seeing if that MOBO has a newer Bios version

You can force install ACPI but that is another issue and you can also cause more harm than good.  Below are some articles that might help you.

Some of the below might be pertinent and some might not be

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q216573
http://www.windows2000faq.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=15300
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q224826
http://www.driverguide.com/boards/asus/112.html

Title: Re: Installed Ghost 12 today, created image (Recovery Point), posted screensho
Post by Brian on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 5:39pm
In addition to Carolina_Mike's links.

http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=534850

Ghost 12 and Vista CDs are based on WinPE 2.0.

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