Symantec and ghost & Norton 360
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     the new Norton  360 internet protection software insist on removing
Norton Works along with Norton utilities,ghost,and goback.

PC Angle
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http://www.softthinks.com/US/
http://www.pcangelle.com/
http://www.softthinks.com/US/technologies.html
http://www.pcangelle.com/faq_pcale_us/faq.asp?Action=Top10



Pc Angle comes from a German/French company called Soft Thinks
     Some PC manufacturers ,including HP and Compaq  ,are now factory installing
     an emergency rescue program called PC Angle instead of Ghost.

Dell use Ghost for recovery but they do not install Norton 360.


Regards Ben
:)

"Some PC manufacturers ,including HP and Compaq  ,are now factory installing an emergency rescue program called PC Angle instead of Ghost."

Where are you getting that info, Ben?  Did you find this info mentioned somewhere?  

I tried to follow some of the links to learn more, and encountered broken javascript, password-protected datasheet pdfs, a knowledgebase whose most recent entry was 4 years old, and other stuff that raises warning flags.

For example, this quote: "PC ANGEL LE is designed to allow System/White-box Builders to take advantage of the latest Microsoft regulations regarding the shipping of Recovery Solution."  The words "Microsoft regulations" link to ... uhm ... www.microsoft.com.  Noting the PC Angel webpage is dated 2004, I wanted to learn what "regulations" they were referring to.  Simply linking to Microsoft's home page smacks of smoke and mirrors.

Another quote: "PC ANGEL LE is loaded on 60% of all PCs retailed in the US & several millions more deployed by brand-name OEMs."  If that's true (and who knows when that was, given the old dates on several parts of the website), I'm surprised we haven't heard about them before.  It also seems rather optimistic, given that Dell and IBM are not mentioned as customers.

The website claims HP/Compaq is a customer, but it doesn't say how they are using PC Angel or what they are using it on, so I'm wondering if you found a reference elsewhere that actually says HP/Compaq are now using PC Angel for their consumer recovery solution.  I don't have a recent HP/Compaq to examine, but I wonder if anyone else can corroborate a PC Angel copyright or trademark on a factory recovery system?

The HP Backup and Recovery Manager utility, provided free with my HP xw4600 Workstation, is a SoftThinks product.  I have used it to perform a backup, but never a restore.  My own experience is that the product is quite slow, the documentation isn’t great, and it lacks many of the options found in solutions like ShadowProtect Desktop 3.0 or Norton Ghost 12.

The Gateway computer I purchased last year has some sort of PC Angel resotre feature.  I've never used it.

Interesting!  So it seems it has been out there, flying under the radar, so to speak.

Hello Dan Goodell,

I read the article in Personal computer World October 2007
article written by Mr Barry Fox barry@pcw.co.uk
"Heaven must be missing an Angle"
I know that it is installed on Advents and other computers sold by Dixon Group
a retail chain store called PCworld which operate in Europe under name of PC CITY
as well.
their Tech knowledge base is
http://support.thetechguys.com/Layout.aspx?CatID=b24bf0db-4893-45c4-9161-ef2182b6a57f&ID=396764ae-0c17-4d1e-88db-7c145deb33fa

and there are some references already to probs with PC Angle

and that article mentioned HP and Compaq which are now same company

thank you for your help in past
Regards Ben
:)

Till about a year ago, a local distributor was selling the program. You have to let them install it for you on your system. The cost was about $15-20. If you are a system builder, I suppose you can buy a bulk license for 100 boxes or so.  However, several months ago, the local distributor discontinued selling the program, may be it was not popular.

From a user point of view, for backup purposes I feel Ghost and other products will meet the backup needs.

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When you're already driving a top O the line Cadillac, and someone suggests you buy a Yugo, what ya gonna do? ::)

Toshiba uses Ghost for their factory restore DVD's.
I've been using Ghost in one version or another since 1997.
That's MY Cadillac, (and I love it  :-* ) no way do I want a Yugo.

Get my drift?

The Shadow  8-)

With the extensive continuing support for GSS, and the compatibility with W98 thru Vista, in production environment, one does not switch software unless there are overridig rasons. The risk is too much and professionals do not like such risks. So most current users of Binary Research Ghost will continue with it for the forseeable future.

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