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Message started by richkl on Dec 4th, 2008 at 9:13am

Title: Reinstall Windows XP
Post by richkl on Dec 4th, 2008 at 9:13am
Its time to clean up this mess.  Very slow, SP-3 gives errors when I try to install  it, etc.

I have a Dell WinXP Professional SP2 reinstallation disk that came with the PC.  Does anyone know the difference between this and a Microsoft XP Professional full install disk?  I have a new one in the box.

Dell makes an issue of reinstalling drivers with their reinstallation disk.  They sent a drivers and diagnostic CD as well as the  reinstallation disk.

I have downloaded new Dell drivers for SATA, Chipset, BIOS and video card.  Will that cover my needs?

The original hard drive appears to be a RAID disk.  I added a second hard drive and a Plextor CD/DVD player.   During bootup the new disk and one other thing- I suddenly can't remember- show up as NON RAID Devices or Disks and that screen sits there for a long time before it moves on.  Is it best to leave this part alone?  

If I try to change the second hard disk to RAID (I'm not sure I actually know how to do this) will I loose data the data on this disk?

Computers sure are complicated :P

I appreciate your letting me inflict you with my questions.

Richard

Title: Re: Reinstall Windows XP
Post by MrMagoo on Dec 4th, 2008 at 7:05pm
The difference between a Microsoft disk and an OEM (Dell) disk is that the OEM disk is going to have extra stuff on it.  This extra stuff is usually drivers (helpful), support information (sometimes helpful), trial software (slightly annoying), and bundled software that the OEM got paid to include on there (usually very annoying.)  

I prefer to install from a Microsoft disk so that the OS is nice an clean to start with.  Then I add the drivers I need and the software *I* want on my computer.  If you are going to go that route, you will need chipset, video card, and network card.  If you forget about the network card, you end up with a chicken and egg problem where you need drivers for the network card to get on the internet, but you can't get on the internet to get the driver.  If you have those 3 drivers, you can get a basic system going and find everything else as you go along.  BIOS doesn't need a driver.

If you use the OEM disk, you don't have to worry as much about drivers, but you will have to spend a little time cleaning out the clutter of trial and bundled software.

It is uncommon for someone like Dell to ship a drive in a RAID configuration.  Either way, I don't recommend you mess around too much with the drives unless you know what you are doing, or you will loose data.  I would just reinstall on whatever partition Windows is currently on.  Don't forget to back up everything first.

Everything on a computer seems complicated until you do it once.  After that it seems easy.  Hopefully you can have a good learning experience and end up with a fresh and clean computer.

Let us know if you have any other questions.

Title: Re: Reinstall Windows XP
Post by richkl on Dec 4th, 2008 at 10:15pm
Thanks, Mr Magoo. I had forgotten to download the NIC driver.  I know the BIOS update isn't a driver.

The PC has an Intel ***SATA RAID controller.  I guess that means it can but not necessarily is acting as a RAID controller.

Richard

Title: Re: Reinstall Windows XP
Post by Dan Goodell on Dec 4th, 2008 at 10:52pm
Different manufacturers offer different methods of restoring your OS partition.  Some, as MrMagoo mentioned, put all their crapware back on the system.  Some are customized images of a basic factory-installed system, complete with drivers and crapware, but before installation of customer-optional software.  HP, IBM, and Compaq seem to favor this approach.

In the case of Dell, however, the "Dell XP Reinstallation CD" is basically the same thing as a regular retail Microsoft CD, except that it is bios-locked to look for a Dell bios.  If you install from the Dell CD you will get the same thing as you get from a retail CD--ie, no crapware and no Dell drivers.  You won't even get Dell wallpaper.

The only difference is the retail CD will require WPA activation, while the Dell CD does not require WPA activation if it is satisfied you have the requisite Dell bios.  (FTR, the Dell CD will install on a non-Dell computer, but it will require activation, and that activation will fail because MS doesn't activate OEM keys, and phone calls to Redmond won't bypass that fact.)

Note that the CD is not tied to any individual service tag number, and not tied to any particular model.  It's just like a retail CD.

But that means you have to provide any drivers that wouldn't be in the retail CD.  That includes chipset, audio, video, nic, and modem, as well as a few others that may be specific to particular models.  Also remember that a retail XP CD doesn't contain SATA drivers, so if you have a SATA hard disk you'll also need that.  These drivers can come from either the "Drivers and Utilities" CD Dell gave you, or you can download the latest drivers from support.dell.com.

Finally, it should be pointed out that on systems targeted at SOHO use, Dell often provides a second, hard-disk based "easy restore" feature.  This is called either Dell Recovery (Vista) or Dell PC-Restore (XP).  These are recovery images stored on an alternate hard disk partition, not on CD or DVD.  Note the distinction between recovery/restore vs. install/reinstall.  These images do put back a completely intact OS partition just as it was when it was shipped, including all drivers, crapware, and even any optional software the customer may have ordered.  This is very different than what you'll get if you use the CD or DVD.


Title: Re: Reinstall Windows XP
Post by richkl on Dec 5th, 2008 at 4:13pm
Thanks, guys.

I think the last questions- prepping the bootable partition, drive C.  I suppose I need to get all the old crap off that partition.

Should I  format the partition or will the new install clear all that out?  If I reformat would I boot into dos from Doc's Win ME boot floppy and use fdisk?  Then restart the PC with the Win XP CD?

Richard

Title: Re: Reinstall Windows XP
Post by MrMagoo on Dec 5th, 2008 at 6:17pm
Yes, I would reformat.  That is what is going to clear out the junk that made you start this whole adventure.  You can reformat from within the WinXP install.

Title: Re: Reinstall Windows XP
Post by lee_leses on Jan 18th, 2009 at 10:52pm
I'm really good at reinstalling XP on Dell's now, keeping 95% of the Dell specific tweaks while filtering out all the nonsense.

What model Dell are you doing?  Let me know if you need any help.  I just completely reloaded a Dimension 3000 from nothing with XP SP3 and Office XP SP3 and all "updates" in about four hours...

Lee

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