It has been probably two years since I have been here. Have been struggling with my wife's terminal cancer situation. The last version of ghost I used was I believe 2003

I just acquired a new computer with win7 64 bit. Nothing I have will work with it. Can someone help me to get back in the game again? I would like to starting backing up this new system.

What version can I go to that will work similar to the old ghost? If any? Please, someone help me!

Jer

Jer,

There is no Ghost 12.5. I checked your old posts and you mentioned Ghost 2003. Is that correct?

How do you like doing your backups? Outside of Windows? To an internal or external HD?

Yes, 2003 is correct. I remember that it would not work with win7 as I remember.  I have a data drive that I like to copy ghost images to. Boot ghost, run the program and then ghost the image to a folder on the d: drive. Thank you for any help
Jer

Jer,

You can user Ghost 2003 with Win7 64-bit. Don't try to install Ghost 2003; run it from a boot disk. I did a test image/restore last night and it was successful. I suggest you generalize your BCD as this gets around booting issues when restoring a Ghost image to a new HD.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1313342621/6#6

To generalize the BCD, enter these lines from an Administrator Command Prompt.


Code:

bcdedit /set {bootmgr} device boot       bcdedit /set {default} device boot          bcdedit /set {default} osdevice boot       bcdedit /set {memdiag} device boot

Well, now I Find my disk is corrupt and will no longer boot., anyhow. And, after two years I can find no backup. Woe is me! So what version can I buy that has a user interface most similar to my 2003 version that will work with my win 7 professional 64 bit?
Jer

Jer,

I suggest Image for DOS. There is a one month trial. Download the GUI version as it is easier to use than the CUI version. Unzip, double click makedisk.exe and create a CD. Don't tick any of the options in the makedisk menus (accept the defaults) and choose 1024x768 - 64K Colors Video Mode.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-dos.htm

Let us know if you have any problems.

Edit... There are two options you should tick.
Align Partitions on 2048 Sectors
Use Windows 7 MBR

@ Jer


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Have been struggling with my wife's terminal cancer situation.

Sorry to hear about that.


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I just acquired a new computer with win7 64 bit. Nothing I have will work with it.

So, is it a *desktop*, or laptop, or .... ?  Make and model is always helpful to better understand what you're dealing with.

There's a good chance Ghost 2003 could be used without problems.  Brian has already mentioned above one thing you might have to do to make it easier to use Ghost 2003 with a new Win7 machine. 

There are probably a couple more things that would make it *much easier* to use--and we could walk you through it if you wanted/needed to do so.

Brian's suggestion to switch to a different backup program is probably the *easiest* solution if you want to continue booting to DOS to run image backups.  All the newer *consumer* versions of Ghost are run from within Windows.  You only boot to the *Recovery Environment* (a bootable CD) when you need to restore the OS partition.

The Corporate version of Ghost--Ghost 11.xx is still being developed and can be run from DOS--but, it takes a special boot disk setup because the program is so large.  And, you have to purchase a minimum 5 license at approx. $30.00 per license--so it's not a real tempting way to go unless you need the 5 licenses.


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Well, now I Find my disk is corrupt and will no longer boot., anyhow.

So, what are we talking about?  Is the boot disk a floppy disk?  Or, are we talking about a bootable CD.  Or, bootable USB device?  Some newer systems require some tweaking of the BIOS to boot to DOS successfully.  Or, sometimes modifications are needed to the boot media to be compatible with the new system--especially SATA optical drives.

So, what boot media are you using?  And what happens that makes you say that the boot disk, or disc, is corrupt?

I'll answer Brian first since he posted first. Then NightOwl. Probably not completely this evening. I spent all day at  Oncology from 9:30 a.m. to 6:45 pm., so probably to bed early.

I bought Terabyte's image for Linux and found it really difficult to figure out the answer to all the technical questions. I could try and download and use the Image for DOS. I believe a purchase entitles you to any of the various versions of Terabyte's backup software. In the DOS version, is the interface easier to understand?

Don't get me wrong. I have been using computers since the 1980's and have a general knowledge of both hardware and software. However, I really am limited in a lot of the really technical stuff. At 75 my memory has also faded a lot and I struggle to remember some of technical details I thought I had mastered. Of course struggling with my wife's health for nearly two years has not helped. 

On the media I have 2003 on a 3.5 floppy; the computer (MSI motherboard) just continually clicks and it doesn't actually access the disk. That is why I said the disk is corrupt. Other disks work so I know it's not the computer itself.

In former days, I always put together my own systems and did not partition the disk. However this machine (new) I bought, has the special partition for the boot stuff. I am not fully conversant altogether with how backups work with this approach, let alone restores.

Let me know where I have not provided enough info

Jer

Jer,

I'll just boot from an IFL CD and write some instructions.

Edit... Do you have the GUI IFL. The one where you can use your mouse?

I have the CD and yes I can use the mouse as I remember. I'll double check and get back in the am.
Jer

I was wrong...I had put it (TFL) on a thumb drive. When I boot and hit f-11, my choice is the two Sata hard drives and something designated UEFI Fat File System. Is that the thumb drive? If not, then the bios does not even see the thumb drive and/or just ignores it. If it is, selecting it to boot ... it is also just ignoring it and windows just goes ahead and loads.

Now I am going to bed. Thank you for any and all help. It is much appreciated
Jer

This is for IFL GUI, ver 2.70

Click Backup
Full Backup
Linux
sda (the first HD)
select your partition, partitions or Entire Drive
File (Direct)
Linux
select your backup drive. USB are last
select your backup storage partition, then folder
name the image
leave the 3 default ticks present
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Start

(IFL, IFD and IFW all produce the same image. It can be restored with any of the three apps)

This is for IFD GUI, ver 2.70

Backup
Full Backup
BIOS
Hard Drive 0
select your partition, partitions or Entire Drive
File (Direct)
BIOS
select your backup drive, then folder
name the image
leave the 3 default ticks present
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Start

The IFD choices are slightly different if you use a USB HD as the backup destination.

I just saw your post about the thumb drive. Both posts above were for CDs.

Using a thumb drive with IFL...

Click Backup
Full Backup
Linux
sda (the weird name is your flash drive. It will be last)
select your partition, partitions or Entire Drive
File (Direct)
Linux
select your backup drive. USB are last
select your backup storage partition, then folder
name the image
leave the 3 default ticks present
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Start

When using an IFD flash drive, Hard Drive 0 will be the flash drive and the internal HDs may be reversed. Your first HD may be last in the list.

Don't mean to interrupt Brian when he's on a roll, but if Jer bought a new computer with Win7 preinstalled, he probably has a SRP.  Wouldn't Reply #3 (generalizing the BCD) mess things up?

Dan,

No doubt about you. I've been working without a SRP for so long that I'd forgotten about that combination.

Jer, don't use the generalization edits. Even if you don't have a SRP you don't need them with IFL anyway.

Brian
Thank you for all the direction. I am sorry I have not been as faithful getting back and trying things. Yesterday I spent from 9:30 am to 6:30 with my wife at the oncology department and chemo. Today was another story. Hopefully tomorrow pm., things will let up a little and I be able to experiment. Just so you know I am not unappreciative.
Jer

Jer,

That's understood.

When you feel more comfortable with IFD/IFL we can teach you how to create images outside of Windows (as you are now doing) but without having to use a flash drive or CD. Only if that interests you. I like these things to be automated. In fact, my restores are automated too.

Brian
This is probably not fair to you guys, but, the wife has been deathly sick since starting a new chemo regimen yesterday and I have not had a minute to come here until now. Sorry, but she comes first .... as much as I would like to be able to back up my system.

Just wanted to say this evening that prior to setting up this new system, a boot thumb drive for both ghost and TFL would boot and load the respective program. Now, this new system does not see either ... but just continues with the boot up into win7. Does that mean that before I do anything, something has to be changed in the bios?
Jer

@ Jer


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the wife has been deathly sick since starting a new chemo regimen yesterday and I have not had a minute to come here until now. Sorry, but she comes first ....

Brian has said if for all of us....


Brian wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:33am:

That's understood.

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Just wanted to say this evening that prior to setting up this new system,

It's not clear what you are saying.  I thought you bought a new system some time ago (week or more?) with Win7 installed--and not *this evening*!


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a boot thumb drive for both ghost and TFL would boot and load the respective program. Now, this new system does not see either ...

So, what does this statement mean? 

Are we talking two different systems?  .... two different installations of Win7?  .... or ......?  Did something change?


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just continues with the boot up into win7. Does that mean that before I do anything, something has to be changed in the bios?

On a new system, it is most likely that the HDD is the default boot device.  But, a floppy drive (if a bootable floppy disk is present), optical drive (if a bootable optical disc is present), or a USB thumbdrive (if a bootable drive is attached) could be listed ahead of the HDD.  These devices would be *ignored* if no bootable media was present even though they might be listed ahead of the HDD.

Most systems allow one to bring up the *boot device list* during boot so you can choose a one time change as to which device will be used for booting by selecting from that list--regardless of the boot priority that is set in the BIOS.  One usually uses the F8 key or the F12 key.  You usually see a brief display on the monitor during the initial POST by the system saying to press whichever key to bring up that list.

In the BIOS, you can set the default *boot order priority list* under one of the BIOS menu items--you usually get 3 or 4 devices that can be chosen as to which is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc..


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this evening that prior to setting up this new system, a boot thumb drive for both ghost and TFL would boot and load the respective program. Now, this new system does not see either ... but just continues with the boot up into win7.

If you're saying you initially could boot from the thumbdrives....and now can not--then what did you do to change something?  The BIOS boot priority list can only be changed by entering the BIOS during the POST process and manually changing it there.  I've never seen or heard of any other way for that to be changed--but, that doesn't mean it couldn't somehow happen, I guess.

Can you clarify?

Hi again guys. My wife died in May and shortly thereafter I had a nervous breakdown and so have not been back here for months. When I catch my breath a little I should be ready for business and a back-up and restore. Until then I have to try and get my head on straight. Difficult when you lose a perfect marriage mate after 49 years and almost lose your mind. Be patient after a sudden disappearance and no post..
Jer

@ Jer

Very sorry to hear about your loss--a nervous breakdown is not an unexpected response--it happens--nothing to be ashamed of--we recover--we move on.......

Hey--whenever you're ready to work on your system(s) and figure out how to make them work the way you want them to--just post--best to start a new thread.

Best wishes until then.  Hope the New Year brings you peace and tranquillity.