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Message started by Tator on Apr 8th, 2013 at 10:32am

Title: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 8th, 2013 at 10:32am
Today I had a problem running Seagate Discwizard from Windows which was done because BartPE can't see SATA drive connected to a PCI SATA card with SIL3114 chipset.  Discwizard was unable to verify image after  its creation, and it was unable to be deleted from WinXP.  On reboot Windows scanned and found unrecoverable errors on that FAT32 drive, and the image file showd only 16kb size.  Programs on that same FAT32 drive would no longer run, and I reformatted and reinstalled programs.

I've had similar problems running Ghost 2003 from Windows and much prefer to run Ghost and Discwizard from boot CD.  Does anybody know if there's a way to create a BartPE CD that will recognize drives connected to the PCI SATA card?  Note to use Discwizard from boot CD I had to do it via BartPE because the boot CD that Discwizard creates fails to boot on that PC.  If BartPE CD can't be made to recognize drives connected to the SATA card, I may have to revert to Ghost 2003 for imaging since it does recognize drives connected to the SATA card.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 8th, 2013 at 3:25pm
@ Tator

Did you make your BartPE CD with drivers for the SIL3114 chipset? Adding drivers should enable you to see the SATA HD.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 8th, 2013 at 7:01pm
The BartPE CD was created a few years ago before I added the SATA card, and drivers were thus not included,  I assume there's a way to add the drivers to the BartPE build, and I'll check into doing that. 

Along the same line of logic, can the SATA drivers be included using nLite to make Windows boot CD so floppy with drivers isn't needed during Windows install?

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 8th, 2013 at 7:13pm
@ Tator


Tator wrote on Apr 8th, 2013 at 7:01pm:
I assume there's a way to add the drivers to the BartPE build, 


Put the drivers into a folder and put that folder in \drivers\SCSIAdapter prior to the build.


Tator wrote on Apr 8th, 2013 at 7:01pm:
can the SATA drivers be included using nLite to make Windows boot CD


http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/howto/howto-xp-sata.htm

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 9th, 2013 at 2:21pm
Trying to create new build with SATA driver included after SATA driver was added in pebuilder drivers folder, pebuilder finds no Discwizard plugin when I try to add the plugin before build.  I downloaded and instaled latest Discwizard version, but there's no BartPE shown to include during install when custom install is selected.  I tried complete install, but no BartPE folder is created and no plugin to add in pebuilder.  Pebuilder seems to be looking for CAB files, but there are none in Seagate folder or subfolders.

I've gppgle searched and find the plugin should be in Discwizard as a selection, but I find no questions about plugin not being a selection.  Any ideas how I might get the BartPE plugin for Discwizard? 

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 9th, 2013 at 2:48pm
@ Tator

I've no ideas about the Discwizard plugin.

Did you put the SATA drivers in the SCSIAdapter folder?


Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 9th, 2013 at 4:16pm
SATA drivers were placed in the SCSIAdapter folder which should allow BartPE CD to see SATA drives, but this does no good if I'm unable to add Discwizard BartPE plugin in a build.   I sent email query to Seagate support which is kind of a pain since they make you include make, model and serial number of a hard drive, but that's the only way I know to try to get the required plugin.

Another thought occurred to me.  Do you know if there's a way to use the old BartPE CD data and include the SATA drivers into an ISO?  I could then burn that ISO to a new CD if that would work, but I don't know how to do that or if it's even possible.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 9th, 2013 at 4:35pm
@ Tator

I'm not familiar with Seagate Discwizard. What does it do?

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 9th, 2013 at 6:30pm
Discwizard is based on Acronis and is used to add new hard drives as well as create and restore backup images and clone drives.  It's much faster than Ghost 2003 for creating and restoring images and uses slightly less space for images which is why I came to prefer it to Ghost 2003.  Just yesterday I created images of a 22GB WinXP drive using Ghost 2003 and Discwizard to test the speed difference.  Ghost 2003 using "Fast Compression" required 72 minutes to create image compared to 21 minutes for Discwizard, and resulting image sizes were 13GB and 12GB restectively.

Unfortunately I just got reply from Seagate support stating later Discwizard versions no longer have the BartPE plugin.  I did find an old CD that came with a Seagate drive that has Discwizard on it which has a BartPE plugin selection during install and shows a BartPE subfolder in the Discwizard folder after install.  However, pebuilder finds no CAB files in that folder.

It seems I may be relegated to Ghost 2003 unless somebody on this forum may have the needed plugin or know where to find it online. 

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 9th, 2013 at 6:57pm
@ Tator


Tator wrote on Apr 8th, 2013 at 10:32am:
Note to use Discwizard from boot CD I had to do it via BartPE because the boot CD that Discwizard creates fails to boot on that PC

Does that computer boot from a USB flash drive? If so you could put the Discwizard ISO on a grub4dos USB flash drive.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 9th, 2013 at 9:29pm
It turns out clicking add in the plugins tab of pebuilder wasn't the right way to go because it found no CAB files it was seeking.  Through some google searches I found Nero and other programs could be added to a build simply by copying contents of of Nero Burning ROM to the Nero folder within the plugins folder and do a little editing of resulting plugin to enter username, serial number, etc.  I decided to try adding the BartPE folder from the old Seagate CD install to the seagate folder in the pebuilder plugins folder, and bingo!  Seagate Discwizard now shows up in plugins with "Yes" status as part of build.

I created the new build, made ISO of the build and booted to CD burned from that ISO.  All drives including SATA drives are now seen when booted to this CD, and Discwizard is up and flying again.   

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 9th, 2013 at 10:12pm
@ Tator

Nice work. Thanks for the feedback.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 10th, 2013 at 11:58am
FYI Seagate Discwizard 11.0 is latest version that has the BartPE plugin selection during install, and that version appears to be available from http://download.cnet.com/DiscWizard/3000-2248_4-196318.html if anyone else may need it.  Also those who need Discwizard that works for Vista and Win7 need the latest version 13 available from Seagate downloads site.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by NightOwl on Apr 11th, 2013 at 9:07am
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Apr 9th, 2013 at 4:35pm:
I'm not familiar with Seagate Discwizard. What does it do? 

I don't use Seagate's DiscWizard (I have on occasion for doing diagnostics, but not backup and restores), but its public face is that it is limited to Seagate and Maxtor HDDs.  If you have a system that does not have a qualifying HDD, you get an error message stating that you can not use the software.

Apparently there is a work-around--thought I'd mention it so if someone comes across this problem, they can still get the program to work:

Using DiscWizard / MaxBlast to back up non-Seagat​e internal hard drive


Quote:
Solution

At the Error screen, hold down the Alt key while you type t then o (for tech override), and then click OK.


Someone mentioned this on the forum some time ago, but I could not remember who or when and have not found the thread--maybe someone remembers and can point us to that.



Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 11th, 2013 at 11:38am
Unforeseen problems with latest BartPE CD including Discwizard and some problems with seemingly no explanation.  That latest BartPE CD sees all drives on the PC with the SIL3114 SATA card but doesn't see SATA drives on another PC with non SIL drivers on the motherboard which seems plausible.  However, I then tried the BartPE CD with Discwizard that I had used for years and used it to create images on that other PC with onboard non SIL drivers just a couple of months ago, and it no longer sees SATA drives on the other PC it had worked for years with no problems.  Thinking the CD might have been corrupt or something I made a new BartPE build which had the same results, i.e. no SATA drives seen on that PC by the new BartPE CD.  It's almost as if something got written to BartPE CDs to prevent its seeing SATA drives, but I doubt that's possible.

This may have turned into a blessing in disguise though.  About a year ago I made a Discwizard 13 boot CD to image a new laptop with Win7 that I got, and I decided to try it on the PC that would freeze during boot with Discwizard 11 boot CD that I made a few years ago.  Bingo!  It boots fine and boots much faster than BartPE.  Not only that, image creation time is further reduced from earlier Discwizard version with image space used about the same.  Time for the Discwizard 11 imaging was 21 minutes for a 22GB XP partition and takes 10 minutes to validate image compared to 25 minutes for imaging and validation for Discwizard 13 version.   

The user interface is not as intuitive with Discwizard 13 and takes a little getting use to but is well worth learning.  The newest version also has a boot menu selection that allows continue to boot to os as default selection, or you can select Discwizard boot choice whereas PC will boot to BartPE if CD is in CDROM with no boot menu.  Imaging and validating are combined into 1 step, but you must check the box tovalidate else it won't validate.  The only minor thing I dislike about the newest Discwizard boot CD is there seems to be no way to exit and reboot to Windows, and the PC shuts down if you click the "X" at the upper right corner of the program screen.  If anybody knows how to reboot to Windows from this Discwizard boot CD, I'd like to know.


NightOwl wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 9:07am:
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Apr 9th, 2013 at 4:35pm:
I'm not familiar with Seagate Discwizard. What does it do? 

I don't use Seagate's DiscWizard (I have on occasion for doing diagnostics, but not backup and restores), but its public face is that it is limited to Seagate and Maxtor HDDs.  If you have a system that does not have a qualifying HDD, you get an error message stating that you can not use the software.

Apparently there is a work-around--thought I'd mention it so if someone comes across this problem, they can still get the program to work:

Using DiscWizard / MaxBlast to back up non-Seagat​e internal hard drive


Quote:
Solution

At the Error screen, hold down the Alt key while you type t then o (for tech override), and then click OK.


Someone mentioned this on the forum some time ago, but I could not remember who or when and have not found the thread--maybe someone remembers and can point us to that.



I believe I was the first to post about the workaround to use Discwizard with non Seagate drives in reply #9 at http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1215133362 and reported successfully using the workaround in reply #26 of the same thread.

I have a question about login that happened yesterday and again today.  Has anybody reported login problems or problems staying logged in?  Yesterday I wasn't logged in as I normally am for some reason, and I got the password mismatch error when I tried to login and got password reset via email.  Today I used the exact same password that worked yesterday, and I got the password mismatch message again.  Any ideas why this happens or how to prevent it? 

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by NightOwl on Apr 14th, 2013 at 2:05am
@ Tator


Tator wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 11:38am:
I believe I was the first to post about the workaround to use Discwizard with non Seagate drives in reply #9

I thought it might have been you, but I couldn't remember for sure--thanks for the link to the original thread.


Tator wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 11:38am:
Has anybody reported login problems or problems staying logged in?Yesterday I wasn't logged in as I normally am for some reason, and I got the password mismatch error when I tried to login and got password reset via email.Today I used the exact same password that worked yesterday, and I got the password mismatch message again.Any ideas why this happens or how to prevent it?

I've not seen anyone else mention a problem.  Are you still having the problem?  Start a new thread in the *YaBB Forum Software + Rad Web Site* board if it's still a problem--that way Rad will more likely pay attention and see it.


Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 14th, 2013 at 10:50am
Today I wasn't logged in for what ever reason, but I didn't get the password mismatch message and logged in okay.  Still not staying logged in for some reason though.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by NightOwl on Apr 16th, 2013 at 10:09am
@ Tator


Tator wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 10:50am:
Today I wasn't logged in for what ever reason, but I didn't get the password mismatch message and logged in okay.  Still not staying logged in for some reason though. 

Well, as best I understand--the password and user name are stored in the forum's data base which is stored at the ISP provider where Radified is hosted.  A problem with that match up would be with the forum software.

But, staying *logged in* is a function that is controlled on your local computer--by a stored *cookie* on your system.

So, have you made any changes or updates to your browser?  Are you using any type of software that *cleans* up your system by deleting cookies, internet browsing cache, etc.?  Is there a change in your browser settings that you (or perhaps a third party software could do this) made that has to do with cookies being saved or deleted?

Also, when you log in, next to the password entry field, is a drop down box where you can select your type of log in--either for *Keeps* (i.e. always logged in each time you return), *Until you log off your browser*, or *x* number of hours.  What is the setting that is selected when you log in?



Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 16th, 2013 at 1:13pm

NightOwl wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 10:09am:
@ Tator


Tator wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 10:50am:
Today I wasn't logged in for what ever reason, but I didn't get the password mismatch message and logged in okay.  Still not staying logged in for some reason though. 

Well, as best I understand--the password and user name are stored in the forum's data base which is stored at the ISP provider where Radified is hosted.  A problem with that match up would be with the forum software.

But, staying *logged in* is a function that is controlled on your local computer--by a stored *cookie* on your system.

So, have you made any changes or updates to your browser?  Are you using any type of software that *cleans* up your system by deleting cookies, internet browsing cache, etc.?  Is there a change in your browser settings that you (or perhaps a third party software could do this) made that has to do with cookies being saved or deleted?

Also, when you log in, next to the password entry field, is a drop down box where you can select your type of log in--either for *Keeps* (i.e. always logged in each time you return), *Until you log off your browser*, or *x* number of hours.  What is the setting that is selected when you log in?




I did delete cookies recently which explains not staying logged in, and today I did remain logged in to post here.  I hope the password mismatch was a fluke and a temporary problem.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 19th, 2013 at 5:46pm
Just want to update some disappointing results with latest Discwizard version 13 which failed to restore an image on my first attempt to do an image restore with latest version.  Discwizard is supposed to do that in 2 steps by first deleting existing data on the partition to restore and then restore the selected image.  Instead it deleted the partition and failed to restore the image resulting in unpartitioned  free space requiring formatting the partition before Discwizard would recognize the target partition.  Wonder if it'd do any good to contact Seagate about this issue?

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 19th, 2013 at 9:32pm
@ Tator

Acronis has the worst reputation of all imaging apps.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 1:45pm

Brian wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 9:32pm:
@ Tator

Acronis has the worst reputation of all imaging apps.

Since latest Discwizard has proven unreliable and problems of older BartPE CDs with Discwizard no longer working on systems they used to work on, it appears I might need a different BartPE CD with Discwizard 11 for each PC I maintain which is a total of 7 including home and business PCs. 

That's an unacceptable solution and wonder if you know a good alternative with the better speed of Discwizard.  Ghost is pretty reliable but much slower than Discwizard.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 23rd, 2013 at 2:29pm
@ Tator

Try Image for Linux. There is a 30 day trial. (it works for Windows OS)

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-linux.htm

You will find a lot of guides on how to use IFL in here...

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1341770812/0


Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:13am
A typical thread about Acronis True Image.

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=344833

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:28am
I see 1 post in the
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=344833 thread where another user also had a failed restore.  Actually Seagate Discwizard 11 still works pretty well, and I've seen other Acronis threads that say older Acronis versions work better than the newer versions.  The thing that perplexes me is the BartPE that used to work fine stopped recognizing SATA drives on other systems that it previously recognized all drives fine.  I wonder if slipstreaming another WinXP CD with the SATA drivers on that CD and use that slipstreamed CD to create a new BartPE would fix that SATA drive recognition problem.

If that won't fix the SATA drive recognition issues, I may need to try an alternative program.  That Acronis thread mentions macrium reflect, and I've seen other threads about easeus.  Do you have any experience with either of those or know anything about them?

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by OldCasper on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:16am
Shhhhh!  It's a secret!

But, Ghost 11.5 (DOS Boot ver.) works well for all OS's from '98 to W8.
Rumor has it that it even works for Linux.

8-)

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Apr 25th, 2013 at 3:35pm
@ OldCasper

I understand Ghost 11.5 is expensive and you must buy five licenses. Is that true?

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Apr 30th, 2013 at 10:44am

Tator wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 11:38am:
Unforeseen problems with latest BartPE CD including Discwizard and some problems with seemingly no explanation.  That latest BartPE CD sees all drives on the PC with the SIL3114 SATA card but doesn't see SATA drives on another PC with non SIL drivers on the motherboard which seems plausible.  However, I then tried the BartPE CD with Discwizard that I had used for years and used it to create images on that other PC with onboard non SIL drivers just a couple of months ago, and it no longer sees SATA drives on the other PC it had worked for years with no problems.  Thinking the CD might have been corrupt or something I made a new BartPE build which had the same results, i.e. no SATA drives seen on that PC by the new BartPE CD.  It's almost as if something got written to BartPE CDs to prevent its seeing SATA drives, but I doubt that's possible. 

The seemingly inexplicable behavior from my reply #14 has now been resolved.  A SATA hard drive was recently added to that PC, and Discwizard 11 was used to add the new drive.  PC BIOS default setting for the SATA Controller was RAID, but that setting had to be changed to SATA before Discwizard would recognize the new drive and then added the new drive with no problems.  However, that PC is a multi-boot system with Win98SE, Win2k and WinXP and would not boot to Win98SE with SATA setting for SATA controller in the BIOS, and it had to be changed back to the RAID setting in order to boot Win98SE.

At that time I said to myself I need to change that BIOS setting back to SATA when I need to run Discwizard or anything else from BartPE if I want to see all drives.  In short the seemingly odd behavior was due to operator error with faulty memory, i.e. yours truly.  All drives on both PCs are now seen from both the original BartPE CD and the latest 1 with SIL3114 drivers. as long as I remember to use the BartPE CD with the correct BIOS setting for the SATA controller.  Discwizard 11 still works very well when the user remembers to use it with the correct settings for unusual multi-boot situations like in this circumstance.

It's  a shame though that Discwizard 13 has Restore failures because it eliminates the need to include drivers for add-on adapters.  I'm going to query Seagate support about this problem, and I'll post back if I get any good news from them.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on May 1st, 2013 at 4:28pm

Tator wrote on Apr 30th, 2013 at 10:44am:
It'sa shame though that Discwizard 13 has Restore failures because it eliminates the need to include drivers for add-on adapters.I'm going to query Seagate support about this problem, and I'll post back if I get any good news from them. 


Copied and pasted below is reply received from Seagate support.  Based on their reply I recommend anyone interested in using Discwizard get version 11 either from the link in my reply #12 in this thread or possibly from Seagate support.

"Thank you for contacting Seagate Support.

I apologize for the inconvenience. Unfortunately, I do not believe there is a way around this issue, and I cannot find information regarding updates that might address it. For now, using the version that the image was created with will be required for the restore. If you ever need an older version, we can always send you a link to download it, in case it is no longer on our website.

I certainly understand that this can be inconvenient. Hopefully this is something that will be addressed in the newest version, but I unfortunately cannot make any guarantees. There may be certain limitations I am unaware of that make it difficult for them to fix it.

For additional assistance, feel free to contact us at: www.seagate.com/about/contact-us/technical-support/"

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by lemurianz on Aug 21st, 2014 at 3:29pm

Tator wrote on Apr 30th, 2013 at 10:44am:
........Discwizard 11................BartPE..........still works very well when the user remembers to use it with the correct settings


Hi Tator,

I joined the group since I saw your post searching out on the web for this very subject, and since I always have used DiscWizard v11.0.0.8326 on many versions of Windows, I wanted to ask you some questions on how to make me a BartPE bootable cd with DiscWizard v11 on it for myself, please could use some pointers, and thank you, appreciate it.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Aug 29th, 2014 at 4:17pm
Discwizard 11 is the last version that comes with the BartPE plugin, but the plugin is not installed by default.  You need to check the box to include the plugin during Discwizard install for it to be included.  Then download and install the BartPE Builder from http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/. All that's left to do is to run BartPE Builder and include the BartPE plugin for Discwizard.  You may also include plugins for Nero Burning ROM or other utilities you may have if you wish.  Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by lemur on Sep 4th, 2014 at 11:11am
Hey Tator

Following that website you linked I got through most of it, I had some problems with being on Windows 7 but accordingly then extracted my old WXPSP1.iso and pointed the prompts to that, etc, and then from back on a previous post of yours I had to figure out how/where you then placed your complete Seagate Folder with BartPE into the pebuilder3110a/Plugin folder to be able to see it on PE Builders Plugin tab as a Yes, and that finally worked.
I then clicked the Build button on PE Builder and let it burn a CD of the .iso and booted it, it booted as it said Starting BartPE... the Windows XP screen came up (haven't see that logo in a while) but then came the blue screen and stop errors 0x0000007B, etc... and so I imagine here is where I have to go back and read up more and possibly put in my specific MB Storage drivers and/or Whatever other drivers in place? I have an SSD, etc, I bet all that should prove to be a p.i.t.a?  I have a pretty new computer setup.
I'll come back the end of next week to play more, I'll be out of town for about 10 days or so... Thank you for your reply Tator!

Edit:
I came back to this post to say afterwards I placed the network driver and storage driver in the right folders but still get the same blue screen and stop error when I boot the CD it makes. (log file had no errors either)
Is there a standard SATA driver I can use instead of mine, because my new Intel MB has Marvel but also has other storage drives which I think come stock in Windows 7.  I thought I saw somewhere they was a universal SATA driver to use all around for this.  I think that's where the blue screen is coming from, but can't say for sure ..gotta run

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Sep 5th, 2014 at 4:16am
@ lemur

In Bart PE, are you using the WinXP AHCI driver for your MB storage controller. The Win7 driver is the wrong one.

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by lemur on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:03am
Yes WXP Pro is listed for the Marvel driver I put in the SCSIAdapter folder. The file was "1.2.0.1019_Floppy32.zip" of which I 'unzipped' that in there.

Also for that Net folder I assume it's for Network drivers and I assume that means LAN drivers right? ... and so yes here too I 'extracted' the PROWinXP_32_18.3.exe into that folder; the exe was the only driver available and so I just extracted it there

fwiw I only placed those two drivers so far but I don't need Network or LAN access for this, so I don't think I even need the LAN drivers right? ..but I put them there anyway.
No errors in the log file before CD burn anyway

Are there any other drivers that I am suppose to create folders for in there too?

For instance my MB (DZ77BH-55K) has CPU onboard Graphics Intel HD4000 but if I can see the blue screen and all that then it must be fine.

When booting the CD that the PE Builder makes and then after the WXP logo goes by and soon thereafter:
The blue screen stop error is
0x0000007B (0XF78D6528, 0XC0000034, 0X00000000, 0X00000000)
Looking in the Bios is set in AHCI mode as well

fyi I'll be out of town away from this computer and so will not have 'hands on' for at least 6 or 7 days. Thanks

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Sep 5th, 2014 at 3:43pm
@ lemur

If you are getting a BSOD you are not using the correct drivers. You must use the "floppy, Press F6" drivers, not the installable drivers. Do your drivers include an .inf file?

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Sep 5th, 2014 at 4:28pm
Is all your hardware pretty new?  I recently experienced the blue screen issue with any WinXP CD or BartPE CD when trying to boot to an older PATA optical drive on 2 different systems using PCI IDE adapter because my systems have no onboard IDE controller.  One of the adapters has VIA chipset, and the other has Silicon Image chipset.  I was able to get the Silicon Image adapter drive to boot normally by slipstreaming a WinXP CD including the floppy drivers for the adapter, but the system with the VIA adapter still gives the blue screen after including the VIA floppy drivers for that adapter.  VIA drivers are known to have issues with optical drives while Silicon Image usually work with no problems.

You may have a similar issue if you are running any older hardware on a newer system.  FYI you can use Discwizard 13 version and create a Discwizard boot disk albeit not a BartPE CD if you're unable to get the BartPE to work.  Also vLite may be used to slipstream Vista or Win7 disks if you need to include drivers on a DVD for Win7.   

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Brian on Sep 5th, 2014 at 4:44pm
@ lemur

You drivers should look like this...




Capture_002.PNG (5 KB | 269 )

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by lemur on Sep 7th, 2014 at 9:29am
Thank you for the replies,

Brian yes my drivers are very similar to your screenshot.
I would use the F6 method somehow if I was installing WXP and had a floppy but since I'm not installing XP but am on Windows 7 and using the BartPE method taking WXP from my iso of it, then how is using the F6 method apply here Brian as you must of had a reason for mentioning it? I have a new i7 setup with the latest MB as mentioned, and so floppy connectors on my MB are non-existent (unless I used a usb floppy)

After reading Tator's last post of ideas but before leaving out of town yesterday I thought since I myself had one on the shelf was to plug in and try and boot my 6 yr old Intel P-4 Desktop build with the boot CD I just made and surprised I was - it booted the BartPE I created with PE Builder just fine.  Then I decided so I also walked over to the wife's 7 yr old intel Laptop and again surprised and happy it booted up fine with that too.  It just wont boot my latest i7 build yet,  but as Brian says I'm sure I just need the right combination of drivers, or might even be the built in HD4000 graphics chip too don't know yet?  My MB is unique though since it incorporates 2 built in Motherboard Controllers onboard, as mentioned one being a Marvel and the other Intel, and so surmise need to be sure I include both drivers since I have HD's plugged into each. If I can't enter my Storage drivers in via the drivers folder which I don't see why not?  ...then perhaps as you say Tator I can slipstream them in but would I use nLite instead of vLite?

On another note first, I noticed when booted to the BartPE I created with PE Builder, yes A43 and the standards included with it work nicely, but from the 'Go' button I can't find where my DiscWizard is listed to run that? Where's it suppose to be listed? It's not there!  Tator, what did you do when you created your Seagate plugin folder when you copied things to your C:\pebuilder\plugins folder....? Did you just copy the entire Seagate folder with its installed Plugin right from the Programs folder 'as is' ? ..is what it looks like you said you did reading your post in Reply #10 here?  Doing it that way for me DW does not show up on the boot disk it seems even though as I said there was a Yes in the Plugin tab.  If you would please detail it again exactly what is your folder structure of the folder you made in C:\pebuilder\plugins\..... for DiscWizard to work?   Please detail so I can see exactly where & what you did.  I want to see DiscWizard show up in my bootable BartPE too.  (realize being out of town away from my home computer right now so I'm going by memory of my specific folder addresses I typed; and also won't be able to 'hands on' test again till I get home end of the week, but still have internet access here and edited this post for wording)

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Sep 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm
Use nLite for slipstreaming XP, and use vLite for slipstreaming Vista or Win7.  Be sure to use XP drivers and not Win7 drivers for the XP CD.  Also check whether the new system supports XP because no system will boot XP if it's not supported.  Close to a year ago I upgraded to a system that only supports XP or later Windows and will not boot Win2k or Win98 that I had been multi-booting with the previous system

I didn't copy the entire Seagate folder, just the PartPE folder which is a sub folder of Discwizard.  Once the plugin is included and CD created, the Discwizard program will be under Storage in the Start Menu (Go button) if I recall correctly.  However, if you had a Yes for the Discwizard plugin, it probably was included in the build and should be in the same location on the BartPE CD, i.e. under Go\Storage\Discwizard if memory serves.

Edit:  Just booted my BartPE CD to learn my recall was incorrect about location of Discwizard on the CD because it's in the same location as A43 (Go\Programs\A43), i.e. Go\Programs\SeagateDiscWizard

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by lemur on Sep 11th, 2014 at 10:18am
That day last week I literally had walked out the door leaving town 5 minutes after I made my PE Builder BartPE CD, and in those 5 minutes I thought I had looked on every tab there was but never saw it, but upon getting home today and booting the CD again and now looking more closely, yes I see DiscWizard is listed off of the 'System' tab - of which in a hurry that day I never thought to check it there I was more looking off the Programs tab. Anyway for my CD and USB it's listed at: Go> System> Storage> Seagate DiscWizard

Besides it booting up the p4's last week, today I also finally got my new i7 to boot with PE Builders BartPE as well, I had to search and find a compatible Storage driver for my MB Controller that "also supported WXP" which Intel did not have anything listed on my MB download page supporting WXP, and so searching the internet I came up with something, was this file "32bit Intel RST AHCI & RAID driver v11.2.0.1006 WHQL.7z" I extracted and put it in the drivers folder, clicked the Build button and created a CD, then booted it and no more blue screen, it worked! (Brian I didn't need to use the F6 method but I now have seen where that opportunity is; fyi the files that extracted are the same as your screenshot just without any .txt file)  Anyway DiscWizard works fine testing/creating a backup.tib and it was fast too.  Network drivers also worked fine of which I could see the other computers on my home network.

I also created a USB bootable flash stick following Bart's advice using his pe2usb.txt and pe2usb files that are already included in the pebuilder3110a.exe install folder, and it worked well and of course USB boots so much faster than CD. Here using the USB boot opening DiscWizard I made a backup partition image with that too, was also fast, created a backup image of a 33 GB Windows 7 OS partition in 3 minutes flat.  Anyway now I have both a bootable CD and USB of this particular DiscWizard BartPE build that I wanted to have in my growing WinPE toolkit and is the reason I first posted. Mission Accomplished.

Nice job, and a fun learning exercise.
Thank you for your help Tator & Brian, I appreciate your posts willing to be of help, albeit was for an older programs cause. 

Title: Re: Seagate Discwizard Isues and BartPE
Post by Tator on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:32pm
Be sure to "Validate" all Discwizard images created.  Only once in the many Discwizard images I've created did an image fail to Validate, and I simply recreated the image which did Validate.  Image restore will fail on any image that fails to Validate.

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