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Message started by bruce_b on Jul 20th, 2017 at 10:55am

Title: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by bruce_b on Jul 20th, 2017 at 10:55am
I made the cd from the ISO of Ghost 11.5 and my question is this: Since this runs Ghost directly from the CD will this create or be able to restore an image of a Windows 10 64 computer ? I have my hard drive set as NTFS and Secure Boot is disabled .. Has anyone been able to test this ? ? Thank you

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Brian on Jul 20th, 2017 at 5:02pm
@ bruce_b

We partly discussed Ghost 11.5 in one of your previous threads. Does the CD boot in your computer? Is your Win10 installed in Legacy or UEFI mode? Can you tell us which partitions are present in Disk Management? This will help in knowing whether Ghost will work.

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by bruce_b on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:43pm
Brian ---  Have not yet tried it on the Toshiba C855-S5347 .. also not quite sure if we are in UEFI or Legacy mode ... Tried the CD on my Dell 8200 and it boots fine, but it will not see my Logitech Wireless USB Mouse or the Dell USB Keyboard
Also for some reason, I did not get a notification from your forum, even though I asked it to do so. Will recheck my profile. -- Found an option to notify of responses was not enabled .. Also attached a pix of the disk management screen from the Toshiba Win 10
Win_10_Disk_Management.jpg (149 KB | 18 )

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Brian on Jul 21st, 2017 at 4:15pm
Bruce,

Great screenshot. That partition layout indicates the OS in installed in UEFI mode. Ghost 11.5 doesn't support GPT disks and while it appears to backup the disk, the restored image isn't bootable.

Regarding Secure Boot. Why it it disabled? It protects against the current ransomware. 

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Brian on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:24pm
Bruce,

In your screenshot the 9.35 GB rectangle is the fifth rectangle but in the text at the top it shows as Disk 0 partition 6. This is because Disk Management does not show the Microsoft Reserved Partition which is positioned after the EFI System Partition.

You have several Recovery partitions. To determine the one in use run this from an Admin Command Prompt...

reagentc /info

On the Windows RE location: line, what is the partition number?

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by bruce_b on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 8:00am
Here is what your command returned:

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.15063]
(c) 2017 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>reagentc /info
Windows Recovery Environment (Windows RE) and system reset configuration
Information:

    Windows RE status:         Enabled
    Windows RE location:       \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition5\Recovery\WindowsRE
    Boot Configuration Data (BCD) identifier: 858f2308-3527-11e2-be71-20689dd6ae64
    Recovery image location:   \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition6\Recovery
    Recovery image index:      1
    Custom image location:
    Custom image index:        0

REAGENTC.EXE: Operation Successful.


C:\WINDOWS\system32>

Note: This laptop originally came with Windows 8 and was then upgraded to Windows 10 using the free upgrade provided by Microsoft. Personally, I do not delete system partitions unless I absolutely need to and I am sure it will not mess something up.

As to secure boot, I personally do not like it or think it is needed. Same for UEFI unless your primary drive is like larger than 3GB ... For my needs standard boot and NTFS are just fine

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Brian on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 4:27pm
Bruce,

Thanks. Your Recovery partition is the 819 MB one. Partition 1 is redundant. If you ever need extra space for your OS partition you could delete Partition 6 and add that space to the OS partition. But have the system imaged just in case you make a mistake. Which imaging software will you use for this UEFI system?

You have a GPT disk, not a MBR disk. Your OS is installed in UEFI mode. It boots in UEFI mode whether Secure Boot is on or off. If by standard boot you mean MBR, you don't have it. Secure Boot prevents unauthorized boot code from running. For example, some of the recent Ransomware malware.

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by bruce_b on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 4:32pm
Brian, No intention of deleting any partitions at this time.
As to imaging software not sure yet what to attempt to use on the Toshiba laptop. I do have the Ghost 15 SSR files, not sure if it needs a license code or not or if it will work properly in Windows 10 .. worst case would be Acronis Tru Image which is said to work with Win 10

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Brian on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 4:38pm
Bruce,

Ghost 15 doesn't work on Win10. SSR 2016 works but I'm not sure about SSR 2013. Acronis TI works but it has the worst reputation of all imaging apps. Buggy.

Do you prefer online or offline imaging? How often would you image?

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by bruce_b on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 7:53am
I prefer imaging with no programs running, like how the original version of Ghost worked. It booted back to PC-DOS or in some cases, MS-DOS and then made the image. As to how often, I usually make an new image when a major change has been done. Say Windows 10 updates to a newer version, or lots of new programs have been added or updated. So maybe every couple of months or so. Data files I copy to another location now and then.

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Brian on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 5:00pm
Bruce,

Then I suggest you trial Image for Linux. GUI version. It works with Linux and Windows OS.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-linux.htm

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.htm

It's fast, reliable and is updated about five times per year. Licensed for 5 home computers.

Initially, I'd use Simple Operations mode. Three clicks to backup and three clicks to restore. 

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Brian on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 8:28pm
IFL instructions for Simple Operations Mode

Download and unzip the Trial file
double click makedisk.exe
Simple - Allow program to control most options
I accept
Choose your UFD or Optical drive (drive letters)

Boot UFD or CD
Backup this computer to an alternative drive
Choose the Source drive
Choose the Target drive
Choose the partition on the Target drive
Start

For the second and subsequent backups
Boot UFD or CD
Backup this computer to an alternative drive
Choose the Source drive
Start

It doesn't get any easier than Simple Operations Mode.

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by OldCasper on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:50pm
I've been using Ghost in one version or another to backup and/or clone hard drives since 1997.

Today, have Ghost 11.5 (DOS Version) on both CD's and Flash Drives. 
I use it to back up everything, from XP to Win-10 Pro/64.  It doesn't seem to care what the OS is.
My software guru says he uses it to back up his Linux Server.

Sometimes booting into Ghost from a Flash Drive works better than booting from a CD, and vise versa.
So I keep both media handy.

I never cease to be amazed at how old things work better than newer things.... backup programs included.

Cheers Mates.  It's nice to see that some folks still use Ghost.

Casper  8-)

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Brian on Jul 26th, 2017 at 3:03am

OldCasper wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
I never cease to be amazed at how old things work better than newer things


Have you tried Ghost 11.5 (DOS Version) with a UEFI system?

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by bruce_b on Jul 27th, 2017 at 3:15pm
That would be good if OldCasper can tell us if Ghost 11.5 will work with the Windows 10 Creators update and UEFI type BIOS ... Just because it creates an image, does not mean you can restore it. The UEFI BIOS might stop you. But I suppose you could always boot into the BIOS and change it to Legacy to do the image restoral and then change it back after it works.
Note: Ghost 11.5 does not support a USB Keyboard or Wireless USB Mouse (at least not on my Dell Dimension 8200) not sure how to get around that except to have old style keyboard and mouse around.

Also a note to forum admins: I still do not get email notifications of replies and all the options in my profile are correctly set. Please check this. Thank you

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by OldCasper on Aug 10th, 2017 at 7:37pm
I can still remember that crazy kid (drug addict) that did the Dell commercials.
"Congratulations, you're getting a Dell"!   Sorry, that was a while back, but some memories die hard.

I build my own 'Personal' computers, because with an aftermarket motherboard, like my Gigabyte, you have many more options and abilities, many more than I will ever use in my lifetime.

On my mobo, I set it to UEFI/Legacy, and it always sees my WiFi Mouse and USB Keyboard.
The OS makes no difference. 

I have successfully backed up every OS from XP to Win-10 Pro/64, and Ghost 11.5, run from my DOS boot disk, doesn't seem to even notice or care.

The way Ghost is written, it backs up ones and zeros as it sees them and doesn't seem to make any ID of the OS, or type of data.

My webmaster used to back up his Linux Server with Ghost 11.5.

As for the Restore, on Windows 10..... I can't guarantee that.  I have not actually tried it yet.
But I can, if you'd like.

8-)

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by OldCasper on Aug 10th, 2017 at 10:47pm
OK Bruce, this one's for you....

First let me say that I don't normally run Windows 10.  I much prefer Win-7 Ultimate/32.

Having said that, I do have Windows 10 Pro/64 on an old 80GB Seagate drive.
So I unplugged my W7 HD and plugged in the Win-10 drive, booted it up and made sure it was working properly. 
Then I rebooted the system with my DOS boot disk containing Ghost 11.5 and I proceeded to do a Ghost backup to a second partition on the W-10 HD.  The backup went off without a hitch, and my WiFi Mouse and USB Keyboard worked just find through the process.

Following the creation of the Backup Image File with FAST Compression, I immediately did a Restore of "Image to Partition".  So my C: partition was completely overwritten.  That too ended without any errors.

Then I shut down the system, removed my Ghost CD, and rebooted to the HD.  Windows 10 came up absolutely normal.  So I have to conclude that both the Backup and the Restore worked 100%.

I hope that answers at least some of your questions.

EPM tells me that the C: partition is formatted NTFS/ Basic MBR.

That's the way Windows 10 installed itself on this HD.  I had nothing to do with that.

Cheers Mate!

8-)

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by bruce_b on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:53am
Thank you for the information. I am sticking with Ghost on my old Dell 8200 as it does just fine on that. I did burn the Ghost 11.5 ISO and while it will boot, it does not see the USB Keyboard or USB Mouse ... So how do I fix that minor glitch ?  As to my laptop, I decided to buy Acronis True Image 2017 and it creates a Bootable USB Drive or Bootable CD which does see the USB Keyboard and Mouse .. Have not yet made the Image as it will need to go to an External Hard Drive and that will take some time with a USB 2 drive.

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by OldCasper on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 7:43pm
I don't know if I've ever gone into detail about my Ghost 11.5 boot disk (CD, Flash Drive or SD card).

My DOS boot disk comes up in an Ansi Color dos menu, with many options, on just how I will run Ghost.
I also have utilities like the Universal Low Level Formatter, and NTFS4DOS.  I even have a Windows Password removal tool on the disk.

I even have cleanup utilities to clean up an old FAT32 formatted HD, like with XP on it.
I always ran XP on a FAT32 hard drive, contrary to the self proclaimed Experts who said that wouldn't work.  Hey dudes, it works just fine and gives me far greater control of my data.

Like the same guys who said I couldn't use Ghost to Defrag my hard drive.  lol lol lol
But think about it...if you do a Ghost backup and follow that with a Ghost restore....Ghost overwrites the C: partition, laying down the files in perfect order, with NO spaces between them, effectively Defragmenting the HD.  I've done it hundreds of times and it works GREAT.

Most importantly, I run "Mouse.com" from the Autoexec.bat file on the Ghost Boot disk.  So even though I'm running a DOS program, I still have my mouse.  I can run Ghost from the keyboard, but it's much easier and faster to run it with my mouse.  If your keyboard is plugged directly into your motherboard, it should work OK with Ghost.  I can't imagine that it wouldn't.

Ghost 11.5 was an upgrade to Ghost 2003, to make it compatible with NTFS formatting.
But truly it was never upgraded to deal with UEFI, which I just don't use.

So if anyone says that Ghost 11.5 won't work with an OS on a UEFI formatted HD. that may well be true.
OH well, that doesn't affect me! 

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?

Casper  8-)

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Dan Goodell on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:20am

OldCasper wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 7:43pm:
I can run Ghost from the keyboard, but it's much easier and faster to run it with my mouse.

Ah, man ... I was with 'ya right up to that point! I had you pegged as a fellow DOS junkie, but no self-respecting command-line jockey would *ever* agree that a mouse is faster.

If keyboard commands are supported, they're *always* faster than a mouse could ever be. (Have you ever tried "typing ahead" with a mouse? You can with a keyboard.)




Quote:
Ghost 11.5 was an upgrade to Ghost 2003, to make it compatible with NTFS formatting.

I have to disagree with that. Ghost 2003 and even 2002 had no trouble with NTFS file systems.

My understanding is v11.5 was principally an upgrade to support Vista/Win7. Ghost 2002/2003 could understand XP's boot.ini file (and manipulate it when necessary), but not Vista/Win7's BCD. Ghost 11.5 fixed that shortcoming.

I think v11.5 may have also fixed v2003's disk size limit, which IIRC was something like 1.1 TB or thereabouts, but since I long ago switched to Terabyte Image I haven't tested Ghost 11.5's limits.




Quote:
if anyone says that Ghost 11.5 won't work with an OS on a UEFI formatted HD. that may well be true.

Setting aside the fact that UEFI is not a "format" (I think you meant GPT--which isn't a format either, but is the issue you're really talking about) ...

Whether or not Ghost 11.5 (or any other utility) can manage partitions in a GPT partitioning system is dependent on the OS being booted. In your case, your boot media is booting DOS, but DOS does not understand the GPT system so cannot pass along to Ghost the information it needs to know where the partitions are.

The partition itself is actually no different on a GPT system than it is on a MBR system, but in order to locate that partition you have to be booting an OS that understands the partition indexing system in use. DOS understands the MBR system but not the GPT system. So while v11.5 might otherwise have no trouble backing up a GPT partition, it can't back it up if it can't find it, and it can't find it if the underlying OS can't.




Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by OldCasper on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:41pm
Hmmm!
I've been using Ghost since 1997, and I've always loaded a mouse driver from the Autoexec.bat file on the boot disk, since I first discovered that Ghost could be run with a mouse.

I have friends who like the keyboard, but I never have.  That goes back a very long ways.

So a Mouse is my choice of weapon, and I don't appreciate being bad mouthed for it.  OK.

However your Technical expertise is much appreciated, although redundant since I have figured out how to best run Ghost 11.5 on all my 20 PC's.  If I have bad information, it's probably because most of what I know or think I know about Ghost was learned right here on this forum.

Like when N.B. said that Symantec never wrote a Ghost 11.5 version.  He wasn't here very long after that.

I hope that we can all just agree to 'Get Along', without the Bad Mouthing.

Cheers mates!
8-)

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Dan Goodell on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:51pm
It's not bad-mouthing when it's correcting the spread of incorrect information.

Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by OldCasper on Sep 7th, 2017 at 9:32am
Well, I consider it badmouthing when you try to make me feel stupid for using a mouse, instead of the keyboard to run Ghost.  Actually it's none of your business what I use. Eh?


Title: Re: Ghost 11.5 ISO and Windows 10
Post by Dan Goodell on Sep 7th, 2017 at 8:32pm

OldCasper wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 9:32am:
Actually it's none of your business what I use. Eh?

Agreed. I wonder who brought it up?


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