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Re: A Better USB 2.0 DOS Driver for Ghost + More!
Reply #90 - Sep 2nd, 2005 at 11:39am
 
NightOwl wrote on Sep 1st, 2005 at 10:43am:
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1.  Have you followed the outline *exactly*, or are you modifying the config.sys and autoexe.bat files with additional command lines--i.e. are you trying to load other DOS support programs?

2.  For trouble shooting, disconnect all other USB devices except the HDD and see if that helps.

3.  Is your USB 1.0 or 1.1 for your controller and HDD?

4.  Is the USB HDD a USB only unit--or is it an *enclosure kit* unit that the HDD can be inserted and removed?

5.  What is the details of the hardware that you are using?


nightowl, thanks for the reply,
here are the answers to your questions:
1.  i modified the config.sys and autoexec.bat as you instructed
[contents on my floppy]
autoexec.bat
bootlog.prv
bootlog.txt
command.com
config.sys
di1000dd.sys
drvspace.bin
himem.sys
Io.sys
mouse.com
mouse.ini
msdos.sys
usbaspi.sys

[config.sys]
Device=himem.sys
Device=usbaspi.sys /v
Device=di1000dd.sys
Dos=high,umb
Lastdrive=z

[autoexec.bat]
mouse.com

2. i already tried that, did not work

3. i have no idea, i do not know how to check if my usb is 1.0 or 1.1
however, my laptop is a Compaq Presario 1680 and i bought it 1997, so i guess i have a usb 1.0?

4.  it is an enclosure kit where HDD is inserted

5.  well, i use a Compaq Presario 1680 laptop Pentium MMX, with 96mb RAM, with Win98SE installed
in my Device Manager/Universal Serial Bus Controllers it contains the ff:
-Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
-USB Root Hub
what other hardware details u need to know?

i am not sure if the problem is in the partition of my external HDD, however, i can access this external hdd when im in Windows in Windows Explorer and i can transfer files in it with no problem, also when i access MS Dos prompt in Windows, i can also detect the external HDD

hope you can help. thanks

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Re: A Better USB 2.0 DOS Driver for Ghost + More!
Reply #91 - Sep 2nd, 2005 at 11:44am
 
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nightowl, thanks for the reply,
here are the answers to your questions:
1.  i modified the config.sys and autoexec.bat as you instructed
[contents on my floppy]
autoexec.bat
bootlog.prv
bootlog.txt
command.com
config.sys
di1000dd.sys
drvspace.bin
himem.sys
Io.sys
mouse.com
mouse.ini
msdos.sys
usbaspi.sys

[config.sys]
Device=himem.sys
Device=usbaspi.sys /v
Device=di1000dd.sys
Dos=high,umb
Lastdrive=z

[autoexec.bat]
mouse.com

2. i already tried that, did not work

3. i have no idea, i do not know how to check if my usb is 1.0 or 1.1
however, my laptop is a Compaq Presario 1680 and i bought it 1997, so i guess i have a usb 1.0?

4.  it is an enclosure kit where HDD is inserted

5.  well, i use a Compaq Presario 1680 laptop Pentium MMX, with 96mb RAM, with Win98SE installed
in my Device Manager/Universal Serial Bus Controllers it contains the ff:
-Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
-USB Root Hub
what other hardware details u need to know?

i am not sure if the problem is in the partition of my external HDD, however, i can access this external hdd when im in Windows in Windows Explorer and i can transfer files in it with no problem, also when i access MS Dos prompt in Windows, i can also detect the external HDD

hope you can help. thanks

uwebowe


sorry nightowl, i forgot to mention in #3
my enclosure kit is a USB 2.0 High Speed type
at least it says so in the casing

also, the external 10gb HDD i have is an IBM Travelstar
Model: IC25N010ATDA04-0 4200 rpm, 10GB, ATA/IDE
 
 
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Re: A Better USB 2.0 DOS Driver for Ghost + More!
Reply #92 - Sep 5th, 2005 at 11:48am
 
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There are two newer versions of the Panasonic DOS USB drivers available that might help:

v2.15
, size=39,093, dated 10/26/2003

v2.20
, size=39,179, dated 11/07/2004

But, some USB enclosure type setups just don't seem to be compatible with DOS.

Try the newer drivers listed above--report back with your progress.
 

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Reply #93 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 6:15am
 
NightOwl wrote on Sep 5th, 2005 at 11:48am:
uwebowe

There are two newer versions of the Panasonic DOS USB drivers available that might help:

v2.15
, size=39,093, dated 10/26/2003

v2.20
, size=39,179, dated 11/07/2004

But, some USB enclosure type setups just don't seem to be compatible with DOS.

Try the newer drivers listed above--report back with your progress.


nightowl
thanks for the help

i tried both newer versions, but no luck, still having the same error messages as i described in my previous messages

i do not know if this information will help
i tried re-partitioning my external HDD and formatted it before trying out the above 2 newer Panasonic DOS USB drivers

the difference this time is, when it comes to loading the DI1000 driver, it goes all the way to #4.  The message shown are as follows:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
DI1000 ASPI Disk Driver Ver. 2.00
Copyright (C) 2001 NOVAC Co., Ltd.

Available ID=0
ID 0=HD..IC25N010ATDA04-0
#1:  ???  Read error in partition read.
Read error in Boot record read.
#2:  ???  Read error in partition read.
Read error in Boot record read.
#3:  ???  Read error in partition read.
Read error in Boot record read.
#4:  ???  Read error in partition read.
Read error in Boot record read.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
unlike before, after the above is shown, i goes on to load the mouse driver, lastdrive, etc.

it does not show the message: "your program caused a divide overflow error.  If the problem persists, contact your program vendor"

do you think this has something to do with my enclosure or HDD or the partitioning?

or is it the di1000dd.sys driver?  is there a newer version or other kind

 
 
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Re: A Better USB 2.0 DOS Driver for Ghost + More!
Reply #94 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 10:37am
 
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my enclosure kit is a USB 2.0 High Speed type


For the benefit of the forum--can you identify the brand name and model number of the USB enclosure kit--so others can be forewarned of possible compatibility issues.

Quote:
do you think this has something to do with my enclosure or HDD or the partitioning?

or is it the di1000dd.sys driver?


My suspicion is that there is a compatibility issue with the controller chip set of the USB enclosure kit vs the DOS USB drivers.

If you can get access to a friend's USB HDD just long enough to boot to DOS with the Panasonic USB drivers and determine if a different USB HDD can be successfully mounted--that would tend to confirm the issue.
 

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Re: A Better USB 2.0 DOS Driver for Ghost + More!
Reply #95 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 12:08pm
 
NightOwl wrote on Sep 7th, 2005 at 10:37am:
uwebowe


For the benefit of the forum--can you identify the brand name and model number of the USB enclosure kit--so others can be forewarned of possible compatibility issues.


My suspicion is that there is a compatibility issue with the controller chip set of the USB enclosure kit vs the DOS USB drivers.

If you can get access to a friend's USB HDD just long enough to boot to DOS with the Panasonic USB drivers and determine if a different USB HDD can be successfully mounted--that would tend to confirm the issue.


The brand name is That's Enclosure and the model number is USB-HD25.

did you mean a different USB enclosure? 
yeah, maybe i can try that

I am close to having my new 10gb HDD formatted and just start from scratch and install Win98SE and all other softwares which i currently have in my 2gb HDD.
I've been trying to figure out how to ghost my 2gb HDD for almost a month now.
If i just installed everthing in my new 10gb HDD, i would have been long done...hehehe....

thanks once again and i shall let you know my progress
 
 
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Reply #96 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 12:12pm
 
by the way NightOwl
what would be a recommended enclosure that surely works with the Panasonic USB Dos driver?

can you advice me a brand and model
i might just opt to buy another one over the weekend

i am from manila
i've seen some brands like Billinton(?)
will this work?
 
 
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Re: A Better USB 2.0 DOS Driver for Ghost + More!
Reply #97 - Sep 7th, 2005 at 12:42pm
 
uwebowe

USB ADVENTURES: 'It ain't necessarily so...'


El_Pescador talks about several different enclosure kits in many of his threads like the above--but, has never mentioned *Billinton*--so, I don't know--I personally do not have or have ever used an *enclosure kit*--only an Iomega 40 GB purpose built USB HDD.

So, my recommendation--try to find a friend's unit and test it out--if it works--buy that brand/model!  Or, buy a unit with the understanding from whom you purchase, that you can return it for refund if it is not compatible with your system and software!

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I've been trying to figure out how to ghost my 2gb HDD for almost a month now. 
If i just installed everthing in my new 10gb HDD, i would have been long done...hehehe.... 


Yup--computers are sure *fun*--and they boost our productivity greatly!(?)
 

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Reply #98 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 6:06am
 
NightOwl wrote on Sep 7th, 2005 at 10:37am:
uwebowe


For the benefit of the forum--can you identify the brand name and model number of the USB enclosure kit--so others can be forewarned of possible compatibility issues.


My suspicion is that there is a compatibility issue with the controller chip set of the USB enclosure kit vs the DOS USB drivers.

If you can get access to a friend's USB HDD just long enough to boot to DOS with the Panasonic USB drivers and determine if a different USB HDD can be successfully mounted--that would tend to confirm the issue.


hi nightowl
NO LUCK!  it didnt work too
i borrowed a different enclosure from a friend and tried it
intalled my 10gb HDD into my friends enclosure, tried 3 versions of the panasonic dos usb drivers
it hangs in the portion where DI1000 driver is being loaded

my friends enclosure is a generic type and i have no idea of its brand and model.  although it says in the housing that it is USB 2.0. (different from mine which is High Speed USB2.0 - btw, is there a diff?)

i guess we eliminated the compatibility issue on the enclosure, unless im really just unlucky

do you think it has something to do with the USB version
i mean, my laptop hardware must be a USB 1 or 1.1 and my enclosures are USB 2.0
do you think connecting it thru a USB 2.0 root hub will make a diff?

also, what does the DI1000.sys driver suppose to be?  loading the hard drive? (sorry for my ignorance)

im am 2 steps away from reinstalling windows to my new 10gb
i will just try 2 more other options:
1.  use a USB 2.0 root hub (i will need it anyway, guess this is the time to buy it)
2.  use another enclosure (will probably look or buy a diff one)

Unless you have some more ideas in mind that can solve this
thanks a  lot for your help and effort
appreciate it!



 
 
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Reply #99 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 11:29am
 
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do you think it has something to do with the USB version


In my original posting, I used this line in *config.sys*:

Device=usbaspi.sys /e /v


The */e* switch forces USB 2.0.  But in your *config.sys*, you have removed it, which is the correct thing to do because your system board is USB 1.x and not 2.0.

Quote:
also, what does the DI1000.sys driver suppose to be?  loading the hard drive?


As I understand it--*usbaspi.sys* mounts the USB HDD in DOS so DOS *sees* it, and then *di1000.sys* assigns the drive letter to the HDD.

Quote:
although it says in the housing that it is USB 2.0. (different from mine which is High Speed USB2.0 - btw, is there a diff?)


I think it's mostly a marketing thing--*High Speed* is a term added when USB 2.0 came out to distingish it from USB 1.x.

Quote:
i guess we eliminated the compatibility issue on the enclosure, unless im really just unlucky


Well, hard to say--the compatibility could be your controller chip on you laptop's motherboard, rather than the one in the enclosure kits--or you may in fact just be *unlucky* so far!

What you would need to do, is try the Panasonic DOS drivers on another computer with each of the enclosure kits to see if the drivers work on that system--if the enclosures work on that other system, then the problem is pointing at the USB controller on your laptop!

Basically, until you can demonstrate that the components work on one system, and then show that it doesn't on another--you can't be sure if it's *unlucky* or truely *incompatible* and will never work!

Quote:
do you think connecting it thru a USB 2.0 root hub will make a diff?


A hub is not likely to solve the problem you are currently having!




 

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Reply #100 - Sep 9th, 2005 at 12:40pm
 
thanks nightowl

why havent i tried testing the enclosures on other systems, how stupid of me
i guess i was so concentrated in wanting to ghost my hdd that i didnt consider that

okay then, let me try that

but let me point out that my enclosures+HDD works fine when im in Windows, meaning when i access it from Windows explorer, it works fine
also when i access it thru MS Dos prompt
i dont know if this matters, but just wanted to let you know

i read somewhere that there is a switch that you can put in the di1000dd.sys driver, it goes something like this:

Device=di1000dd.sys /Hx /Hx

i think its about accessing the Master sector and Boot sector of the HDD, something like that

are you familiar with this?

i shall let you know results when i test my enclosure+HDD on another system

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Reply #101 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 8:54am
 
Hello,

I have the same probleme as Bjorn. I can read image from ghost without any problems but when I want to create an image of C: 4GB it stop responding at 70%.

PLease help me. THanks. Luxembourg.

[config.sys]
device=usbaspi.sys /e /v
device=di1000dd.sys
device=oakcdrom.sys /d:nightowl
lastdrive=z

[autoexec.bat]
path=a:\;x:\
mouse.com
mscdex.exe /d:nightowl /l:x /m:16 /v
ghost.exe

****Files****
AUTOEXEC.BAT
COMMAND.COM
CONFIG.SYS
di1000dd.sys
GHOST.EXE
IO.SYS
mouse.com
MSCDEX.EXE
MSDOS.SYS
OAKCDROM.SYS
Usbaspi.sys

PS.  I created the boot cd with Roxio using the 2.88 emulation.
 
 
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Reply #102 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 9:31am
 
Hello guys,

I finally manages the problem with a little modification.

[config.sys]
device=himem.sys  Kiss Kiss
device=usbaspi.sys /e /v
device=di1000dd.sys
device=oakcdrom.sys /d:nightowl
dos=high,umb Kiss Kiss
lastdrive=z

[autoexec.bat]
path=a:\;x:\
mouse.com
mscdex.exe /d:nightowl /l:x /m:16 /v
ghost.exe

****Files****
AUTOEXEC.BAT
COMMAND.COM
CONFIG.SYS
di1000dd.sys
GHOST.EXE
HIMEM.SYS Kiss Kiss            
IO.SYS
mouse.com
MSCDEX.EXE
MSDOS.SYS
OAKCDROM.SYS
Usbaspi.sys

Created with Roxio Creator Classic ( 2.88 emulation) Thanks for this guide.
 
 
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Reply #103 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 11:23am
 
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i read somewhere that there is a switch that you can put in the di1000dd.sys driver, it goes something like this:

Device=di1000dd.sys /Hx /Hx

i think its about accessing the Master sector and Boot sector of the HDD, something like that

are you familiar with this?


Actually, no--I've not seen anything like the above.  Here is a resource I've used:

Subject: USB driver for DOS = USBASPI.SYS


Quote:
DI1000DD.SYS
ASPI Disk Driver v2.00 from Novac Co., Ltd

device=[{path}]DI1000DD.SYS [/hN] [/dL]

If USBASPI.SYS detects multiple mass storage devices on multiple host adapters, use /hN Host, to specify which host adapter to map drive letter(s), where N would be the 3rd number set reported for the USB controller in USBASPI.SYS with the /v switch.

To specify the starting drive letter for detected mass storage devices, use /dL Drive_letter, where L is the first assigned letter for this host adapter

Example of use:

If you want specify the "L" drive letter for a storage
device, try:

device[high]=[{path}]di1000dd.sys /dL



The above resource also outlines other drivers that are similar--you might try those.

Also, zoro's post is informative--some *systems* do not work well without the use of *himem.sys* for memory management--wouldn't hurt to try that in your *config.sys* file as he outlines.

 

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Reply #104 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 11:30am
 
zoro

Thanks for the post and the additional feedback.

I've seen reference to needing to use *himem.sys* on *certain* systems for proper memory management--but I always thought it would cause boot failure, and not failure  at 70 % into the Ghosting process.

Because I've never had that memory problem, I've never had the chance to *trouble shoot* it.  Your solution is very informative.  I will incorporate the information into my Guide, and based on other posts in the past, it is likely the answer to some others' problems that we have tried to trouble shoot previously--some unsuccessfully--so, your contribution is very helpful.
 

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