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Reply #15 - May 19th, 2005 at 9:51am
 
I've tested it once. Image and restore. It worked. Running it via BartPE is easy, much easier than via floppy.
 
 
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Reply #16 - May 19th, 2005 at 1:44pm
 
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"... LaCie d2 120GB firewire 400 (NTFS)..."

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Does the LaCie external HDD function normally in the Windows mode?

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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2005 at 7:11pm
 
Craig, on the BartPE page there is an Image for Windows plugin too.

There are working BartPE plugins  for the following imaging apps.

Drive Snapshot
Image for Windows
Ghost 8
Paragon Hard Disk Manager
Drive Image 2002

Ghost 9 and Acronis TI plugins are still beta.

If I recall correctly the Drive Image 2002 plugin even works with SATA disks.


 
 
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Reply #18 - May 20th, 2005 at 9:26am
 
Thank you so much for your interest and help, Brian and El_Pescador.

Proving that persistence is everything and ranting is just ranting, I have finally succeeded in making a boot CD which actually works. This I consider to be a minor miracle. A revelation! Pascal himself can have felt nothing akin. "Certitude, certitude, sentiment, joie, paix"!!!

Well, anyway, in the interests of preserving others' sanity, I would like to short-circuit all the long and involved instructions you find all over the net and just post an ISO image for you all here (about 3MB).

It does not, however, seem possible to post files... I'm not sure how legal it would be either, but I wouldn't wish this nightmare on anyone, so if you can come up with a solution to this distribution problem, I will happily go along with it...

I can also provide a zip of the files necessary to create the floppy emulation part of the boot CD (about 600K), without ghost.exe itself, but, crucially, with the USB and Firewire drivers.

This could be useful anyway, in case the particular CD-ROM driver I used doesn't work for your machine. It is simple to change to another. There are 4 provided and one is bound to work, but you need to burn a new CD after changing just one character in the config.sys file in order to do this (see below), for which you need the actual files. Mine worked with the second one I tried, so not too many coasters!

In the meantime, let me tell you what I did, and explain why a CD-ROM driver is needed at all. (This is another one of those long, though hopefully slightly less involved, explanations. Getting the ISO would be best.)

I think the problems were threefold:

1) External disk drivers on the original Ghost CD possibly out of date, incomplete or corrupted?

2) No accessible ghost.exe on the original CD, for whatever reason, just an installation directory.

3) Getting so worked up about the whole thing that the process of creating a boot CD came to appear impossibly fraught with obstacles; the more so since there are many www sites telling you what to do with a plethora of options and vast numbers of downloads required to put the whole thing together, which may or may not then function as required, but none offering "this will work, just download it" solutions.

So, this is what I did (shortcut by downloading the ISO, if we can sort that out):

Firstly, you need to understand what we are trying to achieve.

The bootable CD we are trying to create functions in "floppy emulation mode". It will work in most modern PCs/laptops. It simulates booting from a floppy and then mounts the main part of the CD and any other disks as separate drives.

You provide files from an ordinary DOS boot floppy and ask Nero (or other burning software) to create a bootable CD from them.

Those DOS files are hidden in a special bit of the CD which you can't see until you boot with it. Then they appear as both the a: and b: drives (identical contents).

The files have to be provided as an actual 1.44MB floppy disk (containing not more than 1.44MB), not just the files. This is a problem if you don't have a floppy drive. We'll come to that.

Any other files you might want to use, like ghost.exe, are added to the Nero CD project window in the usual way. You can add as much stuff as you like up to the capacity of the CD.

These extra files are then mounted, separately, as a drive when you boot from the CD. In my case I chose to mount them as the d: drive. You can change the letter by editing the autoexec.bat file on the floppy (or virtual floppy - see below) - just change "/L:D" to "/L:anydriveletter" (again, see below, it will become clear).

So that is why you need a DOS CD-ROM driver, even though you have just booted from the CD and would logically think why have a driver for something you can already see without one.

You are tricking the computer into thinking it has just booted from a floppy. It then looks for the driver for the CD, as specified in config.sys, on what it thinks is a floppy. It then mounts it, assigning a drive letter to it using MSCDEX.EXE (which is not, itself, the driver), so you can access the rest of your files (ie. ghost.exe)

If you don't have a floppy drive, providing a boot floppy for Nero to copy is difficult. It has to contain the USB and Firewire drivers, so you can't use the Nero default one.

I downloaded this utility to create a virtual, memory resident, floppy drive - http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/vfd.html

Next, I downloaded a customised (just extra CD-ROM drivers for compatibility) Windows98SE boot floppy image from http://1gighost.net/randyboy/boot98sc.exe (see www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm)

You need to mount a virtual a: drive, then double-click boot98sc.exe, which will copy the relevant files onto it to create a virtual "boot floppy".

Then use the "virtual floppy drive" control panel to mount a 1.44MB virtual b: drive too.

Use the Ghost boot disk wizard to create a standard ghost boot floppy with USB1.1 (not 2.0) and Firewire drivers (I ran LiveUpdate first, to make sure they were up-to-date). Make sure you choose the b: drive as the target, or you will overwrite your nice new boot floppy on the a: drive.

You can provide MS-DOS (as opposed to PC-DOS) by pointing the wizard to your a: drive for the files. I don't know whether this makes any difference, since you are only running the Ghost wizard at all to get the USB and Firewire drivers and config.sys lines. I did it anyway.

When the wizard tries to create diskette 2 (with ghost.exe on it), just click CANCEL. You can copy it to the CD later from Program Files. Otherwise, it will overwrite your drivers.

Now, copy the FWR and USB directories from virtual floppy b: (temporary Ghost boot disk) to virtual floppy a: (our real boot disk)

You will probably need to delete some superfluous utilities from a: in order to have enough space. You only need bare-bones DOS to accomplish an image restore since Ghost provides all the functionality.

Next job is to reconcile the differing autoexec.bat and config.sys files, adding the disk drivers but not all the silly Ghost scripting.

Just edit the ones on virtual floppy a: using notepad so they look like this:

AUTOEXEC.BAT
Code:

@echo off
SET TZ=GHO+00:00

MSCDEX.EXE /D:banana /L:D





CONFIG.SYS
Code:

DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS /testmem:off
FILES=30
BUFFERS=20

DEVICE=cd2.SYS /D:banana
DEVICE=usb\aspiohci.sys /int /all
DEVICE=usb\aspiohci.sys /int /all /D1
DEVICE=usb\aspiohci.sys /int /all /D2
DEVICE=usb\aspiohci.sys /int /all /D3
DEVICE=usb\aspiuhci.sys /int /all
DEVICE=usb\aspiuhci.sys /int /all /D1
DEVICE=usb\aspiuhci.sys /int /all /D2
DEVICE=usb\aspiuhci.sys /int /all /D3
DEVICE=fwr\aspi1394.sys /int /all

rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:1f0,14
rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:170,15
rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:170,10
rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:1e8,12
rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:1e8,11
rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:168,10
rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:168,9

LASTDRIVE=Z



If you need to try a different CD-ROM driver, edit the line
Code:
DEVICE=cd2.SYS /D:banana 


changing the number "2" to 1, 3, or 4.
Ignore the banana reference. It just ties this in with the line in autoexec.bat

Later, you can also play around with the lines beginning "rem" to add extra params to the drivers if things totally refuse to work. Leave them for now.

SO now, on your virtual floppy a: you should have something which is going to be able to boot your computer with external disk support:
1) Basic DOS taken from a Windows98SE boot floppy
2) USB and Firewire drivers
3) autoexec.bat file to set the drive letter for your ghost.exe file
4) config.sys file to reference the USB and Firewire drivers as well as one of the 4 available generic CD-ROM drivers.

Start a bootable CD project in Nero.

In the Add Files window, add ghost.exe from your Program Files folder.

Click next and point Nero to your virtual floppy a: to copy as the boot disk.

Drag all the files from your a: drive to somewhere safe so you can drag them back again and create another CD if the CD-ROM driver doesn't work. (You will lose the virtual floppy when you restart, or course.)

Restart using your new Ghost boot CD.

Make sure your firewire/USB drive is on and connected BEFORE DOS starts looking for it.

If the d: drive (the bit of your CD with ghost.exe on it) does not mount, burn another CD using one of the other CD-ROM drivers (see above), and try again.

Type d:
type ghost.exe

Restore your disk image.

Ghost can read NTFS drives, even though DOS can't, so don't be concerned that other drives have not mounted.

 
 
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Re: Ghost 2003 CD is bootable
Reply #19 - May 22nd, 2005 at 6:07am
 
Hi, sorry I wasn't around, but my monitor died and I had to send it to ViewSonic for repairs.
I'm glad you finally got it to work, but I noticed it seems you did it the hard way. Smiley
How I did it was, no creating any floppies or anything. Just put the Norton Ghost CD in the drive, reboot, press any key to boot from CD. Select option 2, to load CD and SCSI drivers (doesn't matter if you don't have SCSI). From there, you are right, if you have any NTFS partitions, it wont show up, so for me, using the ghost CD, I just typed C:, then CD support, to get to the support directory, then Ghost -auto -ghostoncd -bootcd, and it starts up. From there, you just make an image or whatever you like. When it tries to make a bootcd, and asks for a floppy disk, since the CD already uses floppy emulation, it just reads the boot sectors from the ghost CD, makes it bootable. AND, you get mouse support!! Cheesy
Anyway, that's all I did, really simple. No need to make a boot disk or have a floppy drive. And the cool thing is I thought was, just in case in the future, if you ever get a firewire or SCSI drive, you already have those drivers included in the boot CD. No need to mess with the config files or anything. Smiley
Take care.
 
 
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Reply #20 - May 23rd, 2005 at 5:48am
 
I'm not sure I quite follow.

Or do I?...

Ah, I see. So the path to ghost.exe on the CD is:

\NG2003\English\Support\ghost.exe

Well, I have sent the laptop off now, but when it comes back I must try that once more and see if the firewire drivers work.

Using the Ghost install CD to boot, DOS couldn't find the firewire disk before, you see, even if I had found the deeply buried Ghost executable.

Sorry your monitor broke - for you and for me, because it might have saved me hours of hair pulling had you been around!

I wouldn't have needed to create any CDs or anything...

 
 
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Reply #21 - May 23rd, 2005 at 9:21am
 
Hmm, maybe we have different versions of ghost? Mine is just the plain vanilla Ghost 2003 OEM cd. The directory to ghost.exe is /Support/Ghost.exe. Smiley I don't know about firewire drivers if they work or not, as I don't have a firewire drive, just plain ATAPI. Smiley I'm sorry too I wasn't around, I was also pulling my hair out, just not having a computer for so long drove me crazy. Wink
Let me know how it goes. Smiley
 
 
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Reply #22 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 11:56am
 
Just a little update to this thread.

I have now used BartPE and DriveSnapshot extensively.

They work like an absolute dream.

If you want an easy time cloning modern PCs, forget DOS boot CDs and Ghost. There are better things to do with your life than struggle over such trivialities!  Smiley

BartPE will pretty much boot anything with zero hassle and support any hard drive you might want to plug in.

DriveSnapshot is small, fast, efficient and good value.

You don't even need to worry about creating a new BartPE CD with your licensed copy of DriveSnapshot on it, since DriveSnapshot can be run from any accessible disk. It's only a few K, so just put it on the disk to which you will write the image file, then it will be there with the image for when you need to restore.

Just one thing to watch with BartPE: if you are creating the bootable disc from WinXP SP2 you must enable the dcomlaunch plugin "RpcSS needs to launch DComLaunch Service first - SP2 only", otherwise diskpart (the disk partitioning tool) won't work. That one caught me out and I had to burn another CD!

Ghost has been completely superceded by a superior solution, in my opinion.

 
 
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Reply #23 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 1:22pm
 
Craig wrote on Aug 23rd, 2005 at 11:56am:
"... I have now used BartPE and DriveSnapshot extensively... Ghost has been completely superceded by a superior solution, in my opinion..."

Does this completely supplant the capability of Ghost 2003 to perform "disk-to-image/image-to-disk" Backup/Restore procedures?

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Reply #24 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 4:59pm
 
You won't need to make a new scrolling marquee El_Pescador. Drive Snapshot doesn't do what you desire.



Craig, have you tried the Reatogo version of BartPE? It's easier to use than the original version of BartPE, particularly for networking. The GUI looks just like WinXP. It runs Drive Snapshot.
 
 
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Reply #25 - Dec 13th, 2005 at 1:57am
 
My issue is I'm attempting to create a Bootable Recovery CD for my laptop (a WinXP SP2 on an NTFS partition) utilizing Ghost 2003.  I've followed all your guidelines here and on the FAMOUS PDF DOCUMENT entitled "Radified Guide to Norton Ghost".  But I stop short of actually creating the CD due to the fact that Ghost informs me that I will "Need 30 CD's or 5 DVD's" to create this, therefore I cancel out of the operation.  Is there something that I'm doing wrong here guys for it to make that statement.  Personally I was looking and hoping for only 5 CD's at the most for this.  Any guidance you can give me in regards to this would be appreciated.



that when I attempt to make a Bootable Recovery CD that will take my Ghosted NTFS Partition (which I'm attempting to also put on the same cd)
 
 
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Reply #26 - Dec 13th, 2005 at 2:07am
 
It depends on how much data your drive contains. How much data is there?

If you think Ghost is asking for more CDs/DVDs than it should, you might need to empty the trash.
 
 
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Reply #27 - Dec 14th, 2005 at 7:14pm
 
I only have about 10.2 GB's of data loaded on a 27.9 GB Harddrive.

So that leaves me a question for you all...how many CDs/DVDs do you all have to use to image your systems and how much data do you all have loaded?
 
 
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Reply #28 - Dec 14th, 2005 at 7:43pm
 
I do everything described, boot into dos, yada yada  yada, but my cd doesn't have a *.GHO file.  Isn't it suppose to?  I made a ghost image, took 7 cds to do it, if it doesn't have a *.GHO file, what does it have on 7 cds?
 
 
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Reply #29 - Dec 14th, 2005 at 8:04pm
 
O yes, by the way, I ran the "integrity" check task.  It took about an hour, said everything was fine.  But, THERE IS NO *.GHO file.  What am I missing?  What good is a back up with no *.GHO file?
 
 
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