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Help With New Drive
Oct 26th, 2005 at 7:30pm
 
I have a Dell 8400 XP Pro. It has a 160 GB. Seagate SATA drive. I bought another Seagate 160 GB drive and a Kingwin External enclosure for the SATA drive. It is connected to one of the SATA connectors on the system board. I have an adapter that plugs into the board and has a connector on the rear of the computer. The cable that came with the enclosure connects the two. I got everythig set up and went to My Computer and turned on the power to the enclosure and expected to see the drive indicated on MY Computer, but nothing happened. I plan to backup my computer to the drive with Ghost 2003. What do I need to do? Please help.
 
 
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Re: Help With New Drive
Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 7:45pm
 
WilliamP

Have you re-booted since you hooked the enclosure up?

During boot--enter your BIOS and make sure it is being detected by the BIOS.

Let us know if that helped.
 

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Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 7:47pm
 
Can you see the drive in Windows? Normal Windows explorer?

Is the drive partitioned/formatted?

Do you have links to the products you are using?
 
 
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Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 7:52pm
 
NightOwl wrote on Oct 26th, 2005 at 7:45pm:
During boot--enter your BIOS and make sure it is being detected by the BIOS.

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WilliamP,

I have a Dell 8400 too. In your BIOS make sure the drive is set to ON.
 
 
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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 9:06pm
 
The drive has not been formatted yet .  Let me get some things straight. I had planned to only power up the enclosure when I was going to Ghost an Image to it or do something with it. Now first off ,will that work? If it will, then do I need to reboot with power on the enclosure ,enter BIOS and get it to recognize the new drive,then formatt it?
 
 
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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 9:14pm
 
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  I had planned to only power up the enclosure when I was going to Ghost an Image to it or do something with it. Now first off ,will that work?


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do I need to reboot with power on the enclosure ,enter BIOS and get it to recognize the new drive,then formatt it


Yes. You can't see the HD in Windows Explorer until it's been partitioned.
 
 
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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 9:59pm
 
you can use disk management in win xp to initialize, partition, and format the drive without having to reboot. of course bios will have to detect it first before windows can see it.
 

If anything can go wrong, it already did, and you just now noticed it.
 
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Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 8:20pm
 
Thank you all for the help. I will try to get BIOS set up this week end.  I have to work for a living. I want to have the time in case I run into trouble.
 
 
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Reply #8 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:53pm
 
WilliamP wrote on Oct 26th, 2005 at 7:30pm:
"... It has a 160 GB Seagate SATA drive.  I bought another Seagate 160 GB drive and a Kingwin External enclosure for the SATA drive. It is connected to one of the SATA connectors on the system board. I have an adapter that plugs into the board and has a connector on the rear of the computer. The cable that came with the enclosure connects the two..."

Before tampering with your BIOS, make absolutely sure that the physical HDD containing your OS - logical Drive C: - is connected to the lowest-order SATA port (probably '0', but possibly '1').  Then, connect the external Kingwin enclosure to the SATA port with the next ascending numeric sequence.

Be advised that external HDDs connected via USB and FireWire are categorized as external devices by your system, but despite its proximity and its independent power supply your SATA-connected device is categorized as being internal.  Were you to perform a Clone procedure with Norton Ghost 2003 (prudently using Pesky's Trick I would hope), you can boot from the external SATA HDD enclosure by simply routing the Kingwin to the low-order SATA port after disconnecting the onboard SATA HDD.

WilliamP wrote on Oct 26th, 2005 at 9:06pm:
"... I had planned to only power up the enclosure when I was going to Ghost an Image to it or do something with it.  Now first off ,will that work?  If it will, then do I need to reboot with power on the enclosure, enter BIOS and get it to recognize the new drive, then format it?

Once you have initiated the BIOS to recognize the SATA HDD mounted in the powered-up external enclosure, whenever the external SATA device is not both connected and powered up in future boot iterations you simply perform a bypass by pressing the F1 key when the system cannot find the missing SATA HDD.

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Reply #9 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 6:27pm
 
What do you mean about Pesky's trick? Also from what you said, once I have it set up ,everytime I boot it will look for the drive and I will have to hit F1 so it will contiue?
 
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 7:21pm
 
WilliamP wrote on Oct 28th, 2005 at 6:27pm:
"... What do you mean about Pesky's Trick?"

CLICK HERE to view
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- and while you are over there be sure to vote in the poll right above it ... LOL !!!


Here a few months back, I decided to clone the MASTER 160 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
SATA NCQ HDD
on my Dell Dimension 8300 to a 160 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.7
IDE HDD
mounted in a Metal Gear Box combo USB 2.0/SATA external enclosure kit via USB 2.0 - and you can bet that I used my eponymous "trick".  Before I removed the non-bootable removable media to reboot in XP Pro, I definitely turned off the power to the Metal Gear Box.

Be advised that Norton Ghost 2003 is quite friendly with the Metal Gear Box in USB 2.0 mode but it is very tricky - nay, hostile - with SATA because the IDE-to-SATA bridge causes CRC32 errors during Restores and Integrity Checks.  

WilliamP wrote on Oct 28th, 2005 at 6:27pm:
"... Also from what you said, once I have it set up, everytime I boot it will look for the drive and I will have to hit F1 so it will continue?"

That is what my Dell 8300 requires.

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Reply #11 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 9:25pm
 
El_Pescador in your last post you mentioned the IDE to SATA bridge. Mine will be the same as Ghosting two internal SATA drives. Is there any problems with that?
 
 
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Reply #12 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 7:52am
 
WilliamP wrote on Oct 28th, 2005 at 9:25pm:
"... you mentioned the IDE to SATA bridge.  Mine will be the same as Ghosting two internal SATA drives.  Is there any problems with that?"

The beauty of your rig is that - not only do you lack an IDE-to-SATA bridge to consider - you do not have any bridge within your external enclosure to consider.  The IDE-to-USB2 bridges incorporated into external HDDs and external enclosure kits can often be quite troubling for users of Norton Ghost 2003, and even on rare occasion so can the IDE-to-FireWire bridges.

Mounting an IDE HDD in a combo USB2/SATA Metal Gear Box allows communication in the SATA mode at rates approaching that of a pure SATA-to-SATA rig like yours, but it fails miserably with both the Windows-to-DOS-to-Windows and the DOS-to-Windows procedures required by Norton Ghost 2003.

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Reply #13 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 7:15pm
 
El_Pescador, I have read Pesk'y Trick and I don't understand step 4 unless the source drive is being replaced by the new image drive. Is that correct?
 
 
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Reply #14 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 2:49am
 
WilliamP wrote on Oct 29th, 2005 at 7:15pm:
"... I don't understand step 4 unless the source drive is being replaced by the new image drive.  Is that correct?"

El_Pescador wrote on Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:53pm:
"... Were you to perform a Clone procedure with Norton Ghost 2003 (prudently using Pesky's Trick I would hope), you can boot from the external SATA HDD enclosure by simply routing the Kingwin to the low-order SATA port after disconnecting the onboard SATA HDD..."

El_Pescador wrote on May 28th, 2005 at 6:56pm:
"... Before performing a Norton Ghost 2003
"disk-to-disk" Advanced Clone
, consider the following procedure as a "failsafe" measure to avoid rebooting with two bootable HDDs available - sometimes doing that can cause a real headache..."

Quite correct; were I in your shoes, I would regularly perform a Norton Ghost 2003
"disk-to-image" Basic Backup
on the external SATA HDD as opposed to a
"disk-to-disk" Advanced Clone
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