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Feb 26^th, 2006 at 1:11am

I have that problem in the Ghost 10 Recovery environment where Ghost doesn't see the USB Drive with the backups on it.
I realize now it's caused by the lack of drivers for my Comstar USB Ext. Maxtor HardDrive.
I'm at a loss where or how to find them, and awaiting a reply from Samtack.
I've been reading up on the problem and answers on the boards here, about making a driver Boot Floppy, but I just can't get my head around all of it...
Is there any place a guy can download a thing like this ?
Thanks...D ???

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Reply #1 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 1:25am

Dave, I don't think it's drivers. I can make my USB HD appear and disappear from the Ghost 10 RE. I think it is a Ghost 10 RE/computer incompatibility. I'll bet you could see your HD from the Ghost 9 and BartPE CD's as they use a different Preinstalled Environment.

You should try John's suggestion. Can't hurt and hopefully will work.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=11407...

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	Re: Boot Floppy ? Reply #2 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 11:41am The thing is Brian, I have 2 partitions on the Ext.Hdd, and I can see the one with normal Data on it... But not the Ghost files partition. Is that a new one ? D
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	Re: Boot Floppy ? Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 11:53am Further to that Brian, that's the answer I got from Symantec. ie: The lack of drivers. Also there is an option when booting into RE to press F6, when you do it asks for a disk, and if I recall correctly something about the OEM disk. If I go with your reference to Johns solution,would that be the disk to use at F6...D
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Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 11:54am

In Windows XP, there should be a program in your
C:\Program Files\Norton Ghost\Utility folder called partinnt.exe and it will display your pc partition information. Select "copy" icon in the program and then copy the results to the clipboard, then paste them back here please.

Just double-click the partinnt.exe to run it. It may be in a slightly different folder if you have Ghost as part of System Works.

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Reply #5 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 12:29pm

Hi John, Here's the info. you asked for. I had to remove a lot of it as it was too big to post, but I left the pertinent info. which is Ext. Drive 3....P & N
Just remembered though, I removed the Ghost Image Files from the Ext. Hdd to an Int. Hdd. That is why both partitions are now showing, I think.
If you recall, I said earlier that it was just the Ghost Image partition that did not show....D

Symantec PartitionInfo 8.0 -- Windows NT/2000 Version
Date Generated: 02/26/06 10:06:41
General System Information:
Total Physical Memory (bytes): 1,073,065,984
Used Physical Memory: (bytes): 414,728,192
Maximum Page File Size: (bytes): 2,583,179,264
Current Page File Size: (bytes): 310,370,304
   Actual values are:

Disk Geometry Information for Disk 3: 30515 Cylinders, 255 Heads, 63 Sectors/Track
System    PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl Head Sect StartSect    NumSects

   0 0 00    1 0 1 0F 1023 254 63 16,065 490,207,410
Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
   0 0 00 1 0 1 0F 30514 254 63    16065 490207410
   16,065 0 00    1 1 1 07 1023 254 63 16,128 290,792,502
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
16065 0 00 1 1 1 07 18101 254 63    16128 290792502
   16,065 1 00 1023 254 1 05 1023 254 63 290,808,567 199,414,908
Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
16065 1 00 18101 254 1 05 30514 254 63 290808567 199414908
Info: Partition didn't begin on head boundary.
ucBeginHead expected to be 0 or 1, not 254.
      290,808,567 0 00 1023 0 1 07 1023 254 63 290,808,630 199,414,845
Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
290808567 0 00 18102 0 1 07 30514 254 63 290808630 199414845

Partition Information for Disk 3: 239,366.9 Megabytes
Volume    PartType Status Size MB PartSect # StartSect TotalSects
   Unallocated Pri       7.8    None --    63 16,002
   ExtendedX Pri 239,359.1       0 0 16,065 490,207,410
   EPBR    Log 141,988.6    None -- 16,065 290,792,565
P: NTFS    Log 141,988.5 16,065 0 16,128 290,792,502
   EPBR    Log 97,370.6 16,065 1 290,808,567 199,414,908
Warning #113: EPBR partition starting at 290808567 overlaps previous EPBR partition.
N: NTFS    Log 97,370.5 290,808,567 0 290,808,630 199,414,845

1. Jump: EB 52 90
2. OEM Name:    NTFS
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 8
5. Reserved Sectors: 0
6. Number of FATs:    0
7. Root Dir Entries: 0
8. Total Sectors:    0
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT:    0
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads:    240 (0xF0)
13. Hidden Sectors:    63 (0x3F)
14. Total Sectors (>32MB): 0 (0x0)
15. Unused:       0x80008000
16. Total NTFS Sectors:    63534176
17. MFT Start Cluster: 786432
18. MFT Mirror Start Clust: 1792664
19. Clusters per FRS: 246
20. Clusters per Index Blk: 1
21. Serial Number:    0x2A5BEFD1E572A575
22. Checksum:    0 (0x0)
23. Boot Signature:    0xAA55

Boot Record for drive P: (Drive: 3, Starting sector: 16,128, Type: NTFS)
. Jump: EB 52 90
2. OEM Name:    NTFS
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 8
5. Reserved Sectors: 0
6. Number of FATs:    0
7. Root Dir Entries: 0
8. Total Sectors:    0
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT:    0
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads:    255 (0xFF)
13. Hidden Sectors:    63 (0x3F)
14. Total Sectors (>32MB): 0 (0x0)
15. Unused:       0x80008000
16. Total NTFS Sectors:    290792501
17. MFT Start Cluster: 786432
18. MFT Mirror Start Clust: 18174531
19. Clusters per FRS: 246
20. Clusters per Index Blk: 1
21. Serial Number:    0x18CC335DCC33347A
22. Checksum:    0 (0x0)
23. Boot Signature:    0xAA55

Boot Record for drive N: (Drive: 3, Starting sector: 290,808,630, Type: NTFS)
1. Jump: EB 52 90
2. OEM Name:    NTFS
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 8
5. Reserved Sectors: 0
6. Number of FATs:    0
7. Root Dir Entries: 0
8. Total Sectors:    0
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT:    0
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads:    255 (0xFF)
13. Hidden Sectors:    290808630 (0x11556336)
14. Total Sectors (>32MB): 0 (0x0)
15. Unused:       0x80008000
16. Total NTFS Sectors:    199414844
17. MFT Start Cluster: 786432
18. MFT Mirror Start Clust: 12463427
19. Clusters per FRS: 246
20. Clusters per Index Blk: 1
21. Serial Number:    0x02380FFF380FF109
22. Checksum:    0 (0x0)
23. Boot Signature:    0xAA55

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Reply #6 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 12:42pm

Partition Information for Disk 3: 239,366.9 Megabytes
Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect # StartSect TotalSects
Unallocated Pri 7.8 None -- 63 16,002
ExtendedX Pri 239,359.1 0 0 16,065 490,207,410
EPBR Log 141,988.6 None -- 16,065 290,792,565
P: NTFS Log 141,988.5 16,065 0 16,128 290,792,502
EPBR Log 97,370.6 16,065 1 290,808,567 199,414,908

Warning #113: EPBR partition starting at 290808567 overlaps previous EPBR partition.

N: NTFS Log 97,370.5 290,808,567 0 290,808,630 199,414,845

Note the error #113.

Normally you should have one primary partition, and then (optionally) one extended partition which contains one of more logical partitions.

I would use the Disk Manager (My computer/right click/manage/Disk Management) to straighten it out.

Be sure you have a backup of your USB data.

You may have to delete one or more partitions on your USB drive and redefine them with Disk Management to get a clean USB configuration.

Your first post said that Ghost 10 RE could not see the USB drive, but now we understand that Ghost 10 DOES see the USB drive, but not one of the partitions. That's different.

I think Ghost 10 boot RE didn't like the overlapping partitions.

Also when you're done run chkdsk n: /f and chkdsk p: /f (or whatever for drive letters to verify) and then run partinnt.exe

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	Re: Boot Floppy ? Reply #7 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 1:19pm Thanks John... Will do Dave
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	Re: Boot Floppy ? Reply #8 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 1:22pm John, that's very clever.
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Reply #9 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 1:32pm

Brian, initially I was thinking that perhaps the USB drive had two primary partitions on it and maybe the Ghost 10 RE couldn't deal with that configuration. I think Rad or you previously mentioned that under XP, it was possible to have two primary partitions.

Anyway I was wrong about that, just thought there was something wrong with the configuation.

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the answer I got from Symantec. ie: The lack of drivers. Also there is an option when booting into RE to press F6, when you do it asks for a disk, and if I recall correctly something about the OEM disk.

Not a good response. Sad

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Reply #10 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 1:50pm

Dan's comments in this thread about partitions are helpful, as usual.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=11260...

Dave, the Press F6 instructions are for adding SATA drivers if you have SATA HD's. I had to do this with Ghost 9 because the CD contained old drivers and I couldn't see my internal HD's. It has nothing to do with external USB HD's.

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	Re: Boot Floppy ? Reply #11 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 3:18pm Brian...I understand ! But what about Ghosts inability to see it's own files on one partition, but see the normal data on the other one ? When I clicked on recover it looked and could find no backup files. I'm referring of course to the Ext USB Drive, while in Ghost R.E. Dave
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Reply #12 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 3:24pm

I think John has the answer there. You have a partition table error. You probably need to delete both partitions on the USB HD and then recreate the partitions. You can use your PM.

Having two logical volumes inside an extended partition, as you already have, is fine.

Then boot to the Ghost RE and make sure it sees both partitions on the USB HD.

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Reply #13 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 3:56pm

Also, when you boot to the Ghost 10 RE and click "Recover My Computer" you may get a message saying "No Recovery Points found in any.... ". All this means is that Ghost 10 can't find the images where they were originally created. If you have moved them from an internal HD to the USB HD for example, you will get this message. Now click "Open another location" and browse to the folder containing your images (sorry, Recovery Points). You are then ready to restore the image.

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Reply #14 - Feb 26^th, 2006 at 4:30pm

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Now click "Open another location" and browse to the folder containing your images (sorry, Recovery Points). You are then ready to restore the image.

Good point.

This could well have been the problem from the beginning. It's not always obvious when Ghost RE says "no recovery points found" that you can browse and find them yourself.

However, the partition error should also be fixed because sooner or later it would become a serious problem.

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