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Re: Using Ghost 10 CD to Create and Restore
Reply #15 - Mar 5th, 2006 at 6:19pm
 
As you know I wasn't suggesting using Method #2, just looking at the Registry. Every drive letter I've ever used for external HD's and cards is in that Registry page.

WinPE only looks at the active partition so no problem if you are multi-booting.
 
 
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Re: Using Ghost 10 CD to Create and Restore
Reply #16 - Mar 5th, 2006 at 6:29pm
 
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Just to clarify--the Ghost 8.2 version on on the Recovery CD is the 32-bit version (ghost32.exe), and is not the DOS version (ghost.exe).  So it must run under Windows or WinPE, and can not run under DOS.

When run from WinPE, the OS (usually C:\) partition is not active and you can image the OS partition--whereas if you were running ghost32.exe under regular Windows--then I'm not sure you can image the currently active OS partition.
 

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Reply #17 - Mar 5th, 2006 at 6:46pm
 
NightOwl wrote on Mar 5th, 2006 at 6:29pm:
--whereas if you were running ghost32.exe under regular Windows--then I'm not sure you can image the currently active OS partition.


That is correct. You can't.
 
 
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Reply #18 - Mar 5th, 2006 at 6:49pm
 
Brian wrote on Mar 5th, 2006 at 6:19pm:
WinPE only looks at the active partition so no problem if you are multi-booting.

Brian, good point.  I hadn't thought of that.  So maybe WinPE does examine the registry from the active partition to reconcile hard drive letters and create assignments?  I guess it's possible.

What do you think?

It seems like WinPE controls everything, not Ghost 10 from what I see.

The Ghost 10 User Guide is interesting in section 10 (of the Software License Agreement). Additional Uses and Restrictions, which states that Symantec uses software licenses from Microsoft.  I assume that's WinPE and it says later that there is a "time-out feature that will automatically reboot the computer after twenty-four hours of continuous use."  I guess that's to prevent you from using WinPE forever.
 

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Reply #19 - Mar 5th, 2006 at 6:58pm
 
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What do you think?


Beyond me. I hope Dan will answer.


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automatically reboot the computer after twenty-four hours of continuous use."  I guess that's to prevent you from using WinPE forever.


That's correct but BartPE has got around this limitation.
 
 
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Reply #20 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 9:37am
 
NightOwl, your point is well-taken:  “if you were running ghost32.exe under regular Windows--then I'm not sure you can image the currently active OS partition.”  It is, however, an empirical question.  As a resident Ghost 2003 guru on the forum, do you feel motivated to run a test and report back the results?
 

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Reply #21 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 9:53am
 
Pleonasm wrote on Mar 6th, 2006 at 9:37am:
NightOwl, your point is well-taken:  “if you were running ghost32.exe under regular Windows--then I'm not sure you can image the currently active OS partition.”  It is, however, an empirical question.  As a resident Ghost 2003 guru on the forum, do you feel motivated to run a test and report back the results?

Pleo and NightOwl, as I understand it, ghost 8.2 is NOT running under regular Windows in the sense I think you asked it.  It is running under WinPE.  
The currently active OS partition is WinPE.
So you couldn't image that (virtual) one.  But every other partition is fair game.

WinPE starts from the CD, creates a ramdrive in memory and loads Windows PE into memory and the ramdrive.  There are three drives open:
z: ms-ramdrive
s: cd-rom
x: ghost



 

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Reply #22 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 10:28am
 
Based on the prior posts in this thread, it appears that the Ghost 10 recovery environment CD provides a potentially superior method to both create and restore ‘Ghost 2003’-format images.  Since a user needs to reboot into another operating environment anyway to use Ghost 2003, why not boot into the WinPE environment of Ghost 10 rather than DOS?  Doing so seems to deliver access to the corporate Ghost 8.2 utility which has all the functionality of Ghost 2003 under DOS supplemented with the capability of accessing a broad range of external storage devices that can otherwise be problematical to use in DOS.  (I am assuming, of course, that a license for Ghost 10 has been acquired.)

Theoretically, I don’t see any disadvantage to substituting the use of corporate Ghost 8.2 in the Ghost 10 recovery environment for Ghost 2003 under DOS – and, there is the ancillary benefit of supporting a wide range of storage devices.  Correct?

Is there any reason not to recommend such an approach to those who visit this forum in the future?

Should the Radified Guide to Norton Ghost be updated to include this important insight?  (Of course, the phrase “DOS is our tripod” will need to be updated to read “WinPE is our tripod”  Wink.)
 

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Re: Using Ghost 10 CD to Create and Restore
Reply #23 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 10:28am
 
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“if you were running ghost32.exe under regular Windows--then I'm not sure you can image the currently active OS partition.”  It is, however, an empirical question.  As a resident Ghost 2003 guru on the forum, do you feel motivated to run a test and report back the results?


Actually, Brian answered that question in his reply #17 above!
 

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Reply #24 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 10:50am
 
NightOwl wrote on Mar 6th, 2006 at 10:28am:
Pleonasm
Actually, Brian answered that question in his reply #17 above!


I can be wrong, but I would state again:  It's like saying that ghost under BartPE can't create an image of the active OS partition, i.e. BartPE.  

The active OS partition is the one created on the fly from the cd and (as I understand it) you can't image your on-the-fly WinPE, just like you can't image BartPE using Ghost.

(always willing to be corrected of course.)
 

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Reply #25 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 11:42am
 
NightOwl, it’s “my bad,” Shocked I must confess.

I didn’t notice Brian’s Reply #17 until after I posted Reply #20.  It is just another case of using "more words than are required to express an idea" . . . .
 

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Reply #26 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 12:45pm
 
For information on the compatibility of Ghost 8.2 with optical/USB/FireWire storage devices, see Symantec's article (Document ID 2003081215321125):  Symantec Ghost 8.2 compatibility with CD/DVD-R/RW drives.
 

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Reply #27 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 12:50pm
 
I just booted from my Ghost 10 RE CD.

I invoked Ghost 8.2 and I created an image of my
NTFS c: active OS partition
onto my external USB2 NTFS hard drive.

Ghost 8.2 was able to navigate to a folder of my choice on my NTFS USB2 hard drive to choose an target folder for the image.  I created a backup image.  I just now looked at it (after rebooting back to XP) and see that it contains a Ghost82.gho file plus Ghost001.ghs Ghost002.ghs, Ghost003.ghs, and Ghost004.ghs files (each about 2 gb in size except the last one)
 

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Reply #28 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 1:00pm
 
Followup:

I just double clicked on the .GHO file and XP invoked the old Ghost Explorer program.  After loading the backup image I noticed that it contained disk 1 (BOTH partitions) not just my c: boot os partition.  Guess I did a full disk image backup, instead of a partition image backup.

Anyway, I selected a folder from the backup (which I had renamed on my original hard drive) and successfully restored it!
 

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Re: Using Ghost 10 CD to Create and Restore
Reply #29 - Mar 6th, 2006 at 1:07pm
 
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I invoked Ghost 8.2 and I created an image of my NTFS c: active OS partition onto my external USB2 NTFS hard drive.

I agree--this makes sense.

Are we misunderstanding each other?  What I meant above in reply #16, is that you can not boot to your *NTFS c: active OS partition*, launch from there the *Ghost 8.2* that you have successfully used from the WinPE, and now create a Ghost image of the OS partition that you are running the *Ghost 8.2* from--it can only be done from the WinPE.

But, you can create Ghost images of all other partitions on your system while booted to your WinXP partition and using the Ghost 8.2 under Windows.
 

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