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Reply #15 - May 14th, 2007 at 4:05am
 
Looks good on the right coast, i believe it may be a little snappier.
 
 
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Reply #16 - May 14th, 2007 at 11:22am
 
Thanks Wally.

Can you do me a favor & ping the site?

Curious to see what times you get.

Here's a freebie if needed:

http://www.pingplotter.com/download.html

Freebie link is located at bottom of page (not easy to see).
 
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Reply #17 - May 15th, 2007 at 1:11am
 
Hi Rad,

This from the East Coast of Australia, just a few minutes before posting:

Target Name: www.radified.com
        IP: 74.50.3.195
 Date/Time: 15/05/2007 4:07:39 PM to 15/05/2007 4:09:54 PM

2  135 ms  538 ms  178 ms  134 ms  149 ms  189 ms  150 ms  134 ms  549 ms  126 ms  [172.18.68.38]
3  134 ms  586 ms  172 ms  133 ms  149 ms  159 ms  132 ms  133 ms  606 ms  127 ms  CPE-61-9-133-7.vic.bigpond.net.au [61.9.133.7]
4  102 ms  609 ms  167 ms  100 ms  161 ms  152 ms  130 ms  100 ms  620 ms   94 ms  10GigabitEthernet1-1.win13.melbourne.telstra.net [165.228.108.101]
5   96 ms  665 ms  134 ms   *      108 ms   *      113 ms   95 ms  659 ms   *      TenGigE0-8-0-5.win-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.80.129]
6  103 ms   *      144 ms  156 ms  116 ms  129 ms   *       *       *      147 ms  Bundle-Pos1.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.21]
7  168 ms  686 ms   *      145 ms  105 ms  122 ms  155 ms  145 ms   *      291 ms  Port-Channel1.pad-gw2.Sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.29]
8  136 ms  680 ms  130 ms  118 ms  263 ms  135 ms  160 ms  118 ms  629 ms  111 ms  10GigabitEthernet2-0.sydp-core02.Sydney.reach.com [203.50.13.50]
9  295 ms  805 ms  291 ms  269 ms  397 ms  279 ms  286 ms  272 ms  784 ms  266 ms  i-13-0.wil-core02.net.reach.com [202.84.141.109]
10  287 ms  801 ms  302 ms  314 ms  382 ms  274 ms  282 ms  267 ms  752 ms  336 ms  i-1-0.wil04.net.reach.com [202.84.251.210]
11   *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       [-]
12  288 ms  776 ms  313 ms  287 ms  362 ms  405 ms  334 ms  348 ms  730 ms  287 ms  nwstdsrj01-ge710.rd.lv.cox.net [68.1.0.85]
13   *      934 ms   *      476 ms  524 ms  592 ms  629 ms   *      929 ms  472 ms  24-234-6-1.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.6.1]
14  280 ms  736 ms  321 ms  276 ms  327 ms  368 ms  462 ms  346 ms  695 ms  276 ms  24-234-6-66.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.6.66]
15  281 ms  733 ms  288 ms  320 ms  295 ms  422 ms  429 ms  313 ms  662 ms  326 ms  24-234-18-130.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.18.130]
16  276 ms  701 ms  282 ms  319 ms  290 ms  416 ms  397 ms  308 ms  630 ms  321 ms  cust-lunarpages.marquisnet.com [208.65.158.130]
17  322 ms  708 ms  329 ms  295 ms  289 ms  407 ms  365 ms  303 ms  619 ms  285 ms  hafgan.lunarservers.com [74.50.3.195]

Ping statistics for www.radified.com
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 285ms, Maximum = 708ms, Average = 392ms
 
 
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Reply #18 - May 15th, 2007 at 4:01am
 
Average = 392 ms. That's no good. Now I gonna have to set up a mirror down under. =)

Here's my numbers. (The server is right up the road, in LA .. ~50 miles):

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Reply #19 - May 15th, 2007 at 4:46am
 
Rad, I haven't run any numbers but there are no problems at my end.
 
 
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Reply #20 - May 15th, 2007 at 5:15am
 
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #21 - May 15th, 2007 at 5:19am
 
Rad wrote on May 15th, 2007 at 4:01am:
Now I gonna have to set up a mirror down under. =)

Excellent idea, especially if you can find a way to make it pay for itself (preferably from  our brothers across the Tasman, since they have more money than we do, heh).

Anyway, everything is great here for me at home on DSL but there are DNS timeouts accessing anything when I try from Ghost HQ (eventually the DNS query results turn up, but it usually takes a couple page refreshes worth of attempts). I haven't spent any time looking into why that is, although given all the proxies and filters we run I doubt it'll be a problem with your end of things.
 
 
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Reply #22 - May 15th, 2007 at 7:45pm
 
Rad wrote on May 15th, 2007 at 4:01am:
Average = 392 ms. That's no good.


I think I should have mentioned that I'm on Wireless Broadband over the Cell/Mobile Phone Network (1xEV-DO) That would make a difference... wouldn't it? At least for my first hop which is currently around 140ms. PingPlotter was set to ignore the first hop for my posted stats.

BTW1: I'm at a loss to figure out the stats from PingPlotter. I would have thought that the times should be cumulative.... Another User Guide to read!

BTW2: When I select the following: Profile > Modify > Options > (GMT/UTC+10 East Australian Time) > "Enable automatic Dayllight Savings Time change" > Tick > Change Profile; the time on the page is set to one hour in advance. Unchecking the box sets the time correctly. I don't recall this problem before the change to the new site. Or is it something at my end?

Daylight Saving in New South Wales

Implementation Dates of Daylight Saving Time within Australia
 
 
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Reply #23 - May 16th, 2007 at 9:38pm
 
I would definitely look into a mirror down under.

does anyone know
if software exists to synchronize the two
?

i could see how that might risk corruption.

my server here is only ~10/month, and that includes $2.50 extra/month for a dedicated ip (call me old fashioned).

what are some good web host down there?

i can at least ask if it's possible, and if it *is* .. having a server down under would be cool ("dual-servers," like dual-booting).

heck, i'd do it just for the cool factor. =)

Ghost was *born* in New Zealand, so a server Down Under seems appropriate.
 
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Reply #24 - May 16th, 2007 at 11:16pm
 
Having a mirror is easy.  Since your server runs Linux, the content could easily be synced with rsync, which uses ssh to transfer data.  The difficulty is getting people in Australia to know to go to the mirror instead of the main site.  It would require manual configuration of DNS, or a different url (maybe radified.com.au?)  I'm not sure how Google would handle results for two identical sites, but having a server on the other side of the world would cut latency time significantly for users overseas.

A proxy server could handle everything automatically.  You could try to get someone to proxy the data locally, but I've never looked for a professional proxy provider.  Not sure if they exist.

None of it would be an issue if we adopted Vance Jacobson's model of networking.  If anyone near you has a local copy, you can just get it from the closest source.  Check out the talk he gave to Google a little while back on Google video for some neat history and ideas on the future of networking:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6972678839686672840&hl=en
 
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Reply #25 - May 18th, 2007 at 4:26am
 
Cool stuff. Watched 1st half of video.

So it's
possible
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Reply #26 - May 18th, 2007 at 6:49pm
 
The other option for having a mirror site is to use a load balancer capable of Global Site Selection.  Google uses something like this.  The initial request for the page hits a load balancer.  The balancer determines where the best place for that particular user would be to download the content from and forwards the request to that location.  The content, which is the biggest chunk of data, gets sent by the server that can get it there best. 

I think Google does it down to the Name Server level - their name servers respond with different DNS addresses depending on where the request is coming from, so it ends up being very efficent. 

But it takes a lot of expensive equipment to make that kind of magic happen.  A Cisco Content Switch is about $40K last I checked.

EDIT: A cheap way to do it would be to put the same IP Address on two different servers.  Routing protocols would automatically take care of sending traffic to the closest server.  The two challenges with that is:

1. Keeping the servers synced up on a real-time basis
2. Convincing a hosting provider to advertise the same IP in two places

If you owned the IP of your site, it could work, but you don't.
 
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Reply #27 - May 20th, 2007 at 2:22am
 
Do you have experience administrating a Linux-based server?

One of the differences between Basic & VPS is that they charge for upgrades, etc.

Are you familiar with upgrading things like Apache, MySQL, PHP & Linux version?

I could probably learn, but nothing beats first-hand experience.
 
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Reply #28 - May 20th, 2007 at 5:25pm
 
Yes, I can handle installing and upgrading the kernel and any software you need to use.  I've gotten comfortable with Apache, MySQL, and PHP on several different versions of Linux and 2 versions of BSD, so I could show you the ropes.

What version of Linux are you thinking of loading onto the virtual server?  What advantage to you hope to gain by admining the server yourself, as opposed to using a basic account?
 
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Reply #29 - May 20th, 2007 at 8:43pm
 
You da man!

"Learning" is the biggest motivation. Like most people, I learn best by doing.

But I feel hesitant about putting the site at risk, since I have very little experience with Linux, and *none* with running Linux as a server.

I would also feel more comfortable running dynamic pages (such as Drupal, Joomla, or PHP-based Movable Type blog) with a VPS account, cuz they allow you more CPU/RAM usage, or at least that's what they say.

I am still in the information gathering phase .. trying to determine what is involved, and where the risks lie.

Here's my latest response from LP support:

Hello,

VPS comes by default with the following features if you opt for a plesk server [Rad note > Plesk is their control panel. I currently use cPanel]:

Mysql > 4.1.20
Apache > Apache/2.0.52 (1.3.37 with cpanel)
PHP > PHP 4.3.9
OS > CentOS release 4.4 (Final)

Unfortunately, it is
not possible for us to upgrade an OS on request
. You will have to upgrade your plan or switch over to a dedicated server in order to get that done.

You can sign up for our managed addon feature to get those upgrades done free for you.

Lunarpages offers an all inclusive managed package to assist you with setting up, maintaining and monitoring your VPS server. For a low price of $9.99 per month, you can have the following:

- Root Check Kit on the server
- Up-to-date notifications of exploits on popular third party software
- Automatic upgrades of kernels, PHP, Apache and administration panels for security
- Monitoring of your server through Lunarpages' internal monitoring tools
- Unlimited reboots of your server if it becomes unresponsive
- One free third party script installation per billing year*
- Free installation of upgraded control panel*
- Free installation of Resin if needed*
- Free setup of remote backups**

*Does not include any licensing of third party software if required.
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Our managed hosting package doesn't come with firewall for VPS plan. Unfortunately, you need to install firewall on your system. If you have any other questions, please let us know.

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Thoughts?

Questions I should be asking?

Funny how they give you 20 gigs of space but won't back up more than 2 gigs. Sup wit dat?
 
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