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Heads up! Moving the site to a different server (Read 58512 times)
WallyT
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #15 -
May 14
th
, 2007 at 4:05am
Looks good on the right coast, i believe it may be a little snappier.
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #16 -
May 14
th
, 2007 at 11:22am
Thanks Wally.
Can you do me a favor & ping the site?
Curious to see what times you get.
Here's a freebie if needed:
http://www.pingplotter.com/download.html
Freebie link is located at bottom of page (not easy to see).
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allanf
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #17 -
May 15
th
, 2007 at 1:11am
Hi Rad,
This from the East Coast of Australia, just a few minutes before posting:
Target Name:
www.radified.com
IP: 74.50.3.195
Date/Time: 15/05/2007 4:07:39 PM to 15/05/2007 4:09:54 PM
2 135 ms 538 ms 178 ms 134 ms 149 ms 189 ms 150 ms 134 ms 549 ms 126 ms [172.18.68.38]
3 134 ms 586 ms 172 ms 133 ms 149 ms 159 ms 132 ms 133 ms 606 ms 127 ms CPE-61-9-133-7.vic.bigpond.net.au [61.9.133.7]
4 102 ms 609 ms 167 ms 100 ms 161 ms 152 ms 130 ms 100 ms 620 ms 94 ms 10GigabitEthernet1-1.win13.melbourne.telstra.net [165.228.108.101]
5 96 ms 665 ms 134 ms * 108 ms * 113 ms 95 ms 659 ms * TenGigE0-8-0-5.win-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.80.129]
6 103 ms * 144 ms 156 ms 116 ms 129 ms * * * 147 ms Bundle-Pos1.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.21]
7 168 ms 686 ms * 145 ms 105 ms 122 ms 155 ms 145 ms * 291 ms Port-Channel1.pad-gw2.Sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.29]
8 136 ms 680 ms 130 ms 118 ms 263 ms 135 ms 160 ms 118 ms 629 ms 111 ms 10GigabitEthernet2-0.sydp-core02.Sydney.reach.com [203.50.13.50]
9 295 ms 805 ms 291 ms 269 ms 397 ms 279 ms 286 ms 272 ms 784 ms 266 ms i-13-0.wil-core02.net.reach.com [202.84.141.109]
10 287 ms 801 ms 302 ms 314 ms 382 ms 274 ms 282 ms 267 ms 752 ms 336 ms i-1-0.wil04.net.reach.com [202.84.251.210]
11 * * * * * * * * * * [-]
12 288 ms 776 ms 313 ms 287 ms 362 ms 405 ms 334 ms 348 ms 730 ms 287 ms nwstdsrj01-ge710.rd.lv.cox.net [68.1.0.85]
13 * 934 ms * 476 ms 524 ms 592 ms 629 ms * 929 ms 472 ms 24-234-6-1.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.6.1]
14 280 ms 736 ms 321 ms 276 ms 327 ms 368 ms 462 ms 346 ms 695 ms 276 ms 24-234-6-66.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.6.66]
15 281 ms 733 ms 288 ms 320 ms 295 ms 422 ms 429 ms 313 ms 662 ms 326 ms 24-234-18-130.ptp.lvcm.net [24.234.18.130]
16 276 ms 701 ms 282 ms 319 ms 290 ms 416 ms 397 ms 308 ms 630 ms 321 ms cust-lunarpages.marquisnet.com [208.65.158.130]
17 322 ms 708 ms 329 ms 295 ms 289 ms 407 ms 365 ms 303 ms 619 ms 285 ms hafgan.lunarservers.com [74.50.3.195]
Ping statistics for
www.radified.com
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 285ms, Maximum = 708ms, Average = 392ms
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Rad
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #18 -
May 15
th
, 2007 at 4:01am
Average = 392 ms. That's no good. Now I gonna have to set up a mirror down under. =)
Here's my numbers. (The server is right up the road, in LA .. ~50 miles):
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Brian
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
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May 15
th
, 2007 at 4:46am
Rad, I haven't run any numbers but there are no problems at my end.
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May 15
th
, 2007 at 5:15am
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #21 -
May 15
th
, 2007 at 5:19am
Rad wrote
on May 15
th
, 2007 at 4:01am:
Now I gonna have to set up a mirror down under. =)
Excellent idea, especially if you can find a way to make it pay for itself (preferably from our brothers across the Tasman, since they have more money than we do, heh).
Anyway, everything is great here for me at home on DSL but there are DNS timeouts accessing anything when I try from Ghost HQ (eventually the DNS query results turn up, but it usually takes a couple page refreshes worth of attempts). I haven't spent any time looking into why that is, although given all the proxies and filters we run I doubt it'll be a problem with your end of things.
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allanf
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #22 -
May 15
th
, 2007 at 7:45pm
Rad wrote
on May 15
th
, 2007 at 4:01am:
Average = 392 ms. That's no good.
I think I should have mentioned that I'm on Wireless Broadband over the Cell/Mobile Phone Network (
1xEV-DO
) That would make a difference... wouldn't it? At least for my first hop which is currently around 140ms. PingPlotter was set to ignore the first hop for my posted stats.
BTW1: I'm at a loss to figure out the stats from PingPlotter. I would have thought that the times should be cumulative.... Another User Guide to read!
BTW2: When I select the following: Profile > Modify > Options > (GMT/UTC+10 East Australian Time) > "Enable automatic Dayllight Savings Time change" > Tick > Change Profile; the time on the page is set to one hour in advance. Unchecking the box sets the time correctly. I don't recall this problem before the change to the new site. Or is it something at my end?
Daylight Saving in New South Wales
Implementation Dates of Daylight Saving Time within Australia
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #23 -
May 16
th
, 2007 at 9:38pm
I would definitely look into a mirror down under.
does anyone know
if software exists to synchronize the two
?
i could see how that might risk corruption.
my server here is only ~10/month, and that includes $2.50 extra/month for a dedicated ip (call me old fashioned).
what are some good web host down there?
i can at least
ask
if it's possible, and if it *is* .. having a server down under would be cool ("dual-servers," like dual-booting).
heck, i'd do it just for the cool factor. =)
Ghost was *born* in New Zealand, so a server Down Under seems appropriate.
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MrMagoo
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #24 -
May 16
th
, 2007 at 11:16pm
Having a mirror is easy. Since your server runs Linux, the content could easily be synced with rsync, which uses ssh to transfer data. The difficulty is getting people in Australia to know to go to the mirror instead of the main site. It would require manual configuration of DNS, or a different url (maybe radified.com.au?) I'm not sure how Google would handle results for two identical sites, but having a server on the other side of the world would cut latency time significantly for users overseas.
A proxy server could handle everything automatically. You could try to get someone to proxy the data locally, but I've never looked for a professional proxy provider. Not sure if they exist.
None of it would be an issue if we adopted Vance Jacobson's model of networking. If anyone near you has a local copy, you can just get it from the closest source. Check out the talk he gave to Google a little while back on Google video for some neat history and ideas on the future of networking:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6972678839686672840&hl=en
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
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May 18
th
, 2007 at 4:26am
Cool stuff. Watched 1st half of video.
So it's
possible
.
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MrMagoo
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #26 -
May 18
th
, 2007 at 6:49pm
The other option for having a mirror site is to use a load balancer capable of Global Site Selection. Google uses something like this. The initial request for the page hits a load balancer. The balancer determines where the best place for that particular user would be to download the content from and forwards the request to that location. The content, which is the biggest chunk of data, gets sent by the server that can get it there best.
I think Google does it down to the Name Server level - their name servers respond with different DNS addresses depending on where the request is coming from, so it ends up being very efficent.
But it takes a lot of expensive equipment to make that kind of magic happen. A Cisco Content Switch is about $40K last I checked.
EDIT: A cheap way to do it would be to put the same IP Address on two different servers. Routing protocols would automatically take care of sending traffic to the closest server. The two challenges with that is:
1. Keeping the servers synced up on a real-time basis
2. Convincing a hosting provider to advertise the same IP in two places
If you owned the IP of your site, it could work, but you don't.
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #27 -
May 20
th
, 2007 at 2:22am
Do you have experience administrating a Linux-based server?
One of the differences between Basic & VPS is that they charge for upgrades, etc.
Are you familiar with upgrading things like Apache, MySQL, PHP & Linux version?
I could probably learn, but nothing beats first-hand experience.
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MrMagoo
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May 20
th
, 2007 at 5:25pm
Yes, I can handle installing and upgrading the kernel and any software you need to use. I've gotten comfortable with Apache, MySQL, and PHP on several different versions of Linux and 2 versions of BSD, so I could show you the ropes.
What version of Linux are you thinking of loading onto the virtual server? What advantage to you hope to gain by admining the server yourself, as opposed to using a basic account?
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Re: Heads up! Moving the site to a different serve
Reply #29 -
May 20
th
, 2007 at 8:43pm
You da man!
"Learning" is the biggest motivation. Like most people, I learn best by doing.
But I feel hesitant about putting the site at risk, since I have very little experience with Linux, and *none* with running Linux as a server.
I would also feel more comfortable running dynamic pages (such as Drupal, Joomla, or PHP-based Movable Type blog) with a VPS account, cuz they allow you more CPU/RAM usage, or at least that's what they say.
I am still in the information gathering phase .. trying to determine what is involved, and where the risks lie.
Here's my latest response from LP support:
Hello,
VPS comes by default with the following features if you opt for a plesk server [Rad note > Plesk is their control panel. I currently use cPanel]:
Mysql > 4.1.20
Apache > Apache/2.0.52 (1.3.37 with cpanel)
PHP > PHP 4.3.9
OS > CentOS release 4.4 (Final)
Unfortunately, it is
not possible for us to upgrade an OS on request
. You will have to upgrade your plan or switch over to a dedicated server in order to get that done.
You can sign up for our managed addon feature to get those upgrades done free for you.
Lunarpages offers an all inclusive managed package to assist you with setting up, maintaining and monitoring your VPS server. For a low price of $9.99 per month, you can have the following:
- Root Check Kit on the server
- Up-to-date notifications of exploits on popular third party software
- Automatic upgrades of kernels, PHP, Apache and administration panels for security
- Monitoring of your server through Lunarpages' internal monitoring tools
- Unlimited reboots of your server if it becomes unresponsive
- One free third party script installation per billing year*
- Free installation of upgraded control panel*
- Free installation of Resin if needed*
- Free setup of remote backups**
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Our managed hosting package doesn't come with firewall for VPS plan. Unfortunately, you need to install firewall on your system. If you have any other questions, please let us know.
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Thoughts?
Questions I should be asking?
Funny how they give you 20 gigs of space but won't back up more than 2 gigs. Sup wit dat?
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