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Reply #30 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 2:45pm

Regarding server monitoring, found this:

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Managed Lite - Managed Lite is available for Virtual Private servers. It starts at $9.99 per month and we will monitor your server 24/7/365.

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To assist our customer with running business critical services, we offer Managed Services addon. For an additional $9.99 per month you can have the following:

* Up-to-date notifications of exploits on popular third party software
* Monitoring of your VPS through Lunarpages' internal monitoring tools along with proactive reaction on service failures.

So, the answer looks like "No," they don't monitor .. at least not the site .. but they would HAVE TO monitor the server (memory, CPUs, hard drives,etc.) .. I'd assume .. since they and only they have access to it.

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #31 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 2:54pm

This is kinda interesting:

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Can I compile my own kernel on Linux VPS plan?
Unfortunately, this is not possible. VPS account does not run its own kernel but uses a virtualized environment provided by the kernel of the physical server.

https://support.lunarpages.com/knowledge_bases/article/430

.. which would mean we get their flavor of Linux only, right? (Tho you said it's cool.)

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #32 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 3:10pm

Here's their response to my queries of exactly what their stats convey (just got today):

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Hello,

I'd be happy to explain the stats for you. We use the CPU/Memory/SQL Stats area of WebHostManager to review account resource usage. These statistics are cumulative averages and reset every 24 hours.

So from midnight (Pacific) until the time the stats were provided to you, your account has been averaging 2.46% for CPU usage. A single momentary load spike could not produce a result such as this, it would have to be periods of sustained CPU load. We like to see this number under 1.0% before moving accounts off temporary servers.

As for the Top Process list showing the same process 3 times... WHM simply shows the 3 most active processes on your account. They are the same because in 3 separate instances the YaBB.pl script was the most active process for your account.

These wouldn't have been the same process (same PID) but rather multiple instances of the script being run, though not necessarily at the same time. The "Top Process" area is less important in determining the resource usage of your account though they can help point you in the direction of what may be consuming the most resources on your account.

I hope this information helps clarify the situation. If you have any further questions or issues please let us know and we'll be happy to assist you.

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #33 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 3:11pm

Ya, its probably more like a zone than a actual virtual server. Virtual servers work by creating a virtual computer with software such as VMWare and then installing an entire OS onto it. The overhead is significant and running a few virtual servers on one box can load it down pretty quick. Zones use a virtual directory structure but make calls to the host system's kernel, eliminating most of the memory and CPU overhead of virtualization.

There's not much difference between the two for what we'll be doing and its a life saver for the host because they can put far more virtual hosts onto the same host and still get reasonable performance.

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #34 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 3:17pm

Most importantly, here are the all-important numbers:

https://support.lunarpages.com/knowledge_bases/article/413

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Each VPS is limited to 512 Megabytes of RAM and gets guaranteed 1/25th of total processors power. However, if the processors are not busy, the account can use some more CPU resources.

I was originally under the impression that VPS allocates each account 2.5% of the CPU, but can see now I was mistaken. The correct number is actually 4%. (100 / 25 = 4)

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The VPS environment allows for bursting within reasonable limits, but does not permit one VPS from dominating the hardware node's resources. Consequently, it is very unlikely that a VPS account can be suspended for excessive memory or CPU usage.

http://www.lunarforums.com/lunarpages_vps_hosting/virtual_private_server_vps_faq...

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #35 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 3:30pm

Here's a comparison of the Lunarpages VPS plan with another by a company called midPhase, titled "The Best VPS Hosting Plans":

http://www.prchecker.info/vps-hosting.php

Also, I found interesting:

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Our VPS all run on dual Xeon 2.0 GHz processors with 8 Gigs of RAM and SCSI RAID 5 disk subsystem.

https://support.lunarpages.com/knowledge_bases/article/419

Also cool (tho expected with VPS):

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You have administrator access to your virtual server. This means that you can install any software whenever you would like to use including those that cannot be installed on our shared plans.

https://support.lunarpages.com/knowledge_bases/article/422

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #36 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 3:53pm

Have you heard of Virtuozzo Power Panel? (I haven't)

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What is Virtuozzo Power Panel (VZPP)?
VZPP is a powerful web-based VPS recovery and management tool. With VZPP you can easily do the following:

* VPS Start/Stop/Reboot
* VPS Services Management
* VPS Resource monitoring
* VPS Backup/Restore
* VPS Repair
* VPS Re-install
* VPS Actions Log audit

https://support.lunarpages.com/knowledge_bases/article/408

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	Re: Magoo: VPS Admin Reply #37 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 3:53pm I really think you should reconsider changing your forum software. It could prevent you from needed to move to VPS. Even if you do move to VPS, there is a lot more I can do to optimize the server if we use a forum that is not based on flat text files. I wrote more here: http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1202658524
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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #38 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 3:58pm

Here's the all-important back-up info:

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Will you backup my files?
We offer 1 Gb of FTP backup space with each VPS account allowing you to schedule backups to the remote FTP server.

https://support.lunarpages.com/knowledge_bases/article/429

My last back-up (tarball) was 1.15 gigs, so 1 gig ain't enough. Seems silly to offer 1 gig of back-up space with a 20-gig account, no?

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Reply #39 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 4:06pm

May be getting ahead of myself, but found this thread interesting:

http://www.lunarforums.com/lunarpages_vps_hosting/vps_went_down_for_a_few_hours-...

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If your sites do not open, you would try to increase ServerLimit and MaxClients in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf. These settings are set to 10 by default which is too low for sites with medium and high traffic. You would use 100 or 150 for them.

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I have a busy site and tried to make this change..... When I did, then restarted, the web server would not load.... I went back to look at the file and most of it was missing. I have no idea what happened, but most of the config file info is just not there.

I submitted a support ticket.... But I don't get what happened. All I did was change the default setting from 10 to 100, saved it, but know most of the file is empty. What is going on there?

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #40 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 4:30pm

Here's something I didn't know (that VPS does NOT come with a Control Panel .. at least not standard):

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The Plesk 10 domain license is $0 setup and $10 / month for up to 10 accounts.

For other licenses:
* $10 install
* 30 domains - $25 / month
* 100 domains - $35 / month
* Unlimited domains - $45 / month

Looks like this is a recent change:

http://www.lunarforums.com/lunarpages_vps_hosting/doesnt_plesk_come_with_vps-t45...

So, I would imagine, if I hosted 10 domains, each would getr their own CP. But if I don't get the CP (save $10/month), can I still host other sites? Not that I need to right now, but .. in the future, it would be nice. Maybe I'll call LP Sales and leave them a question on their answering machine.

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #41 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 4:31pm

Rad wrote on Feb 10^th, 2008 at 3:58pm:

My last back-up (tarball) was 1.15 gigs, so 1 gig ain't enough. Seems silly to offer 1 gig of back-up space with a 20-gig account, no?

Yeah, that's silly. Its not a big deal, tho. I could just write a cron job to tar up the directories we want to back up and ftp it somewhere safe. Maybe on my file server here at home. Maybe Microsoft Live Drive or the Google iDrive. Probably both would be best... I'd occasionally burn it to a DVD and throw it in my firesafe too.

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	Re: Magoo: VPS Admin Reply #42 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 4:37pm MrMagoo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2008 at 4:31pm: I could just write a cron job to tar up the directories... That kind of talk gives me wood. .. (mainly cuz I have no idea how to do it)
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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #43 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 6:01pm

Rad wrote on Feb 10^th, 2008 at 4:30pm:

So, I would imagine, if I hosted 10 domains, each would getr their own CP. But if I don't get the CP (save $10/month), can I still host other sites? Not that I need to right now, but .. in the future, it would be nice. Maybe I'll call LP Sales and leave them a question on their answering machine.

I'm not a big fan of Plesk. It's one of the more popular control panels, but it really isn't organized very nicely. We don't need it. We can host as many sites as we have the server resources for. Its more a matter of how busy all the sites combined are than a matter of how many we can host. Apache is essentially unlimited.

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Re: Magoo: VPS Admin
Reply #44 - Feb 10^th, 2008 at 8:10pm

MrMagoo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2008 at 6:01pm:

We don't need it. We can host as many sites as we have the server resources for.

Man! You say *all* the right things.

I was just in the middle of crafting an email to LP pre-Sales regarding the details of Plesk (i.e. "What if I just wanna use Plesk for a *single* domain? .. Do I still need to buy a 10-doman license??) .. deleted it after reading this.

Must be a good feeling .. feeling comfortable with all this hi-tech mojo .. that makes the web-world go 'round. I can tell you're not scared.

Also, just read your post about 'Zones' vs actual virtual servers. I find this stuff interesting.

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