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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #15 - Nov 26th, 2010 at 6:18pm
 
Here is a drive on an IBM Thinkpad with WinXP Pro on which Ghost 2003 does appear to not have a problem-- I say *appears to* because this drive has only 4 partitions in total instead of the 6 on my *problem* PC. However it is in fact displaying all 4 whereas my other PC is displaying only 3 of 6.

PARTINFG, Version 1.00
             Copyright (c) 2010 TeraByte, Inc. All Rights Reseverd

                         Run Date: 11/26/2010 3:56 PM

===============================================================================
                 MBR Partition Information (HD1 - 0xD3ACD3AC)
                    (CHS: 1022/239/63)  (WCHS: 3876/240/63)
+====+====+=============+====+=============+=============+=============+
| 0: | 80 |    0   1  1 |  c | 1022 239 63 |          63 |    35017857 |
| 1: |  0 | 1022   0  1 |  f | 1022 239 63 |    35017920 |    23572080 |
+====+====+=============+====+=============+=============+=============+
                              Volume Information
+----+----+-------------+----+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 0: |  0 |  268   1  1 |  b |  402 239 63 |          63 |     2041137 |
| 1: |  0 |  403   0  1 |  5 |  675 239 63 |     2041200 |     4127760 |
| 2: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
| 3: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
+----+----+-------------+----+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 0: |  0 |  403   1  1 |  b |  675 239 63 |          63 |     4127697 |
| 1: |  0 |  676   0  1 |  5 |  802 239 63 |     6168960 |    17403120 |
| 2: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
| 3: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
+----+----+-------------+----+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 0: |  0 |  676   1  1 |  b |  802 239 63 |          63 |    17403057 |
| 1: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
| 2: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
| 3: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
+----+----+-------------+----+-------------+-------------+-------------+
                  MBR Partition Information (HD1) Continued:
+====+====+=============+====+=============+=============+=============+
| 2: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
| 3: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |           0 |           0 |
+====+====+=============+====+=============+=============+=============+
===============================================================================

Continued in next post....
 

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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #16 - Nov 26th, 2010 at 6:20pm
 
===============================================================================
                            BOOT SECTOR INFORMATION
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       File System ID: 0xC   LBA: 63  Total Sectors: 35017857   ID: 0x1
                                  Jump: EB 58 90 (EB 58 90)
                              OEM Name: MSDOS5.0 (MSDOS5.0)
                         Bytes Per Sec: 512 (512)
                         Sec Per Clust: 32 (32)
                           Res Sectors: 36 (36)
                              Num FATs: 2 (2)
                         Root Dir Ents: 0 (0)
                               Sectors: 0 (0)
                                 Media: 0xF8 (0xF8)
                          Secs Per FAT: 0 (0)
                         Sec Per Track: 63 (63)
                                 Heads: 240 (240)
                           Hidden Secs: 63 (63)
                          Huge Sectors: 35017832 (35017832)
                     Huge Secs Per FAT: 8546 (8546)
                                 Flags: 0x0 (0x0)
                               Version: 0 (0)
                        Root Dir Clust: 2 (2)
                           FS Info Sec: 1 (1)
                           FS Bkup Sec: 6 (6)
                              Reserved:  0  0  0  0  0  0
                             Drive Num: 0x80 (0x80)
                                   Res: 0x1 (0x0)
                              Boot Sig: 0x29 (0x29)
                                Vol ID: 0x20FF6597 (0x20FF6597)
                          Volume Label:             (           )
                               FS Type: FAT32    (FAT32   )
                             Boot Flag: 0xAA55 (0xAA55)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          File System ID: 0xB   LBA: 35017983  Total Sectors: 2041137
                                  Jump: EB 58 90 (EB 58 90)
                              OEM Name: OEMNAME  (OEMNAME )
                         Bytes Per Sec: 512 (512)
                         Sec Per Clust: 8 (8)
                           Res Sectors: 36 (36)
                              Num FATs: 2 (2)
                         Root Dir Ents: 0 (0)
                               Sectors: 0 (0)
                                 Media: 0xF8 (0xF8)
                          Secs Per FAT: 0 (0)
                         Sec Per Track: 63 (63)
                                 Heads: 240 (240)
                           Hidden Secs: 35017983 (35017983)
                          Huge Sectors: 2041136 (2041136)
                     Huge Secs Per FAT: 1990 (1990)
                                 Flags: 0x0 (0x0)
                               Version: 0 (0)
                        Root Dir Clust: 2 (2)
                           FS Info Sec: 1 (1)
                           FS Bkup Sec: 6 (6)
                              Reserved:  0  0  0  0  0  0
                             Drive Num: 0x80 (0x80)
                                   Res: 0x0 (0x0)
                              Boot Sig: 0x29 (0x29)
                                Vol ID: 0xA492A495 (0xA492A495)
                          Volume Label: XAPPS       (XAPPS      )
                               FS Type: FAT32    (FAT32   )
                             Boot Flag: 0xAA55 (0xAA55)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #17 - Nov 26th, 2010 at 6:20pm
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          File System ID: 0xB   LBA: 37059183  Total Sectors: 4127697
                                  Jump: EB 58 90 (EB 58 90)
                              OEM Name: OEMNAME  (OEMNAME )
                         Bytes Per Sec: 512 (512)
                         Sec Per Clust: 8 (8)
                           Res Sectors: 32 (32)
                              Num FATs: 2 (2)
                         Root Dir Ents: 0 (0)
                               Sectors: 0 (0)
                                 Media: 0xF8 (0xF8)
                          Secs Per FAT: 0 (0)
                         Sec Per Track: 63 (63)
                                 Heads: 240 (240)
                           Hidden Secs: 37059183 (37059183)
                          Huge Sectors: 4127696 (4127696)
                     Huge Secs Per FAT: 4024 (4024)
                                 Flags: 0x0 (0x0)
                               Version: 0 (0)
                        Root Dir Clust: 2 (2)
                           FS Info Sec: 1 (1)
                           FS Bkup Sec: 6 (6)
                              Reserved:  0  0  0  0  0  0
                             Drive Num: 0x80 (0x80)
                                   Res: 0x0 (0x0)
                              Boot Sig: 0x29 (0x29)
                                Vol ID: 0xB996B998 (0xB996B998)
                          Volume Label: DATA        (DATA       )
                               FS Type: FAT32    (FAT32   )
                             Boot Flag: 0xAA55 (0xAA55)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
         File System ID: 0xB   LBA: 41186943  Total Sectors: 17403057
                                  Jump: EB 58 90 (EB 58 90)
                              OEM Name: OEMNAME  (OEMNAME )
                         Bytes Per Sec: 512 (512)
                         Sec Per Clust: 16 (16)
                           Res Sectors: 36 (36)
                              Num FATs: 2 (2)
                         Root Dir Ents: 0 (0)
                               Sectors: 0 (0)
                                 Media: 0xF8 (0xF8)
                          Secs Per FAT: 0 (0)
                         Sec Per Track: 63 (63)
                                 Heads: 240 (240)
                           Hidden Secs: 41186943 (41186943)
                          Huge Sectors: 17403048 (17403048)
                     Huge Secs Per FAT: 8490 (8490)
                                 Flags: 0x0 (0x0)
                               Version: 0 (0)
                        Root Dir Clust: 2 (2)
                           FS Info Sec: 1 (1)
                           FS Bkup Sec: 6 (6)
                              Reserved:  0  0  0  0  0  0
                             Drive Num: 0x80 (0x80)
                                   Res: 0x1 (0x0)
                              Boot Sig: 0x29 (0x29)
                                Vol ID: 0xA4B0A4B5 (0xA4B0A4B5)
                          Volume Label: BIN         (BIN        )
                               FS Type: FAT32    (FAT32   )
                             Boot Flag: 0xAA55 (0xAA55)
 

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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #18 - Nov 26th, 2010 at 9:46pm
 
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Which partition is missing from the Windows Ghost 2003 GUI? Are all partitions seen in Windows Explorer?
 
 
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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #19 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 12:05am
 
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BTW: Who is Dan?

That would be our member Dan Goodell--he knows quite a bit about all things having to do with partition tables and and the information reported by PartInfo, etc....

Quote:
But I have been running Ghost Interactivly and booted into Ghost-DOS that way.

Each and every command I issue there start with a Warning:
'You have overlapping partitions on Disk 1' or something like that,

Much better to have the *exact* error message, but, I guess we have the idea!

Based on Brian's observation and this new error report, I would say my recommendation in my reply #9 is not the likely problem that you are having!

Looks like it's a corrupt partition table and probably needs to be fixed to avoid potential unexpected/unintended consequences when running various programs going forward.

In terms of proceeding in a practical manner--what options do you have?  Meaning--do you have a spare HDD, do you have a whole drive image file, do you have a partitioning tool to use?

I would remove my current OS HDD for safe-keeping in case I needed it.  I would put in my spare HDD on the same connector as the original removed OS HDD.  I would then use PartitionMagic to partition the spare HDD to match the one I just removed--actual partition sizes would not have to be *identical*--big enough to hold the original data without crowding.  And, then I would use my *whole HDD* image to restore one partition at a time to the newly partitioned spare HDD into the same partition location as it had been on the original OS HDD.

Boot to WinXP after that, and open the Ghost interface and test it out to see if everything works--Ghost should ask to *mark* the *new* spare HDD--and if all has gone well--everything should be working okay again.

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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #20 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 2:52am
 
In this page Dan Goodell explains how the logical volumes work..

http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/ptedit.htm

Here is the maths for an Extended partition and four logical volumes.

63    A                            A= number of sectors in this volume -63
B      C            B=63+A   C= number of sectors in the next volume
                       
63    D                            D= number of sectors in this volume -63
E      F            E=B+C      F= number of sectors in the next volume
                       
63    G                           G= number of sectors in this volume -63
H      I            H=E+F      I= number of sectors in the next volume
                       
63    I-63                  



Another way of looking at it...

63                      A
63+A                  C
     
63                      C-63
63+A+C             F
     
63                      F-63
63+A+C+F         I
     
63                      I-63
 
 
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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #21 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 3:50am
 
Brian wrote on Nov 26th, 2010 at 9:46pm:
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Which partition is missing from the Windows Ghost 2003 GUI? Are all partitions seen in Windows Explorer?


The partitions in BOOT SECTOR INFORMATION tables seen in Post/Reply No. 13 of this thread are the ones that DO appear in Ghost 2003.         
         
Those in the BOOT SECTOR INFORMATION tables seen in Post/Reply No. 14 of this thread are the ones that DO NOT appear in Ghost 2003.          
         
FWIW -- the Volume Labels as shown in these tables are/were somewhat messed up. I had originally created these partitions in the Vcom partition manager I previously mentioned. At some later date I then renamed these labels from within WinXP. The new labels were OK in any Windows display of them but that edit from within the Windows OS did not correctly appear in the Vcom partition manager, nor in BootIt NG. Since running PartInfo and posting the results in this thread, I have edited the volume labels from within in the Vcom partition manager to match what I had previously done in Win XP. I did not really expect this to fix the display issue in Ghost but will just mention it had no effect in that regard.         
         
Here is exactly what appears in the Ghost display while it runs in Windows. (F, G, and H are the missing partitions).         
         
Disk 1 - No Ghost Disk ID         
Win_XP (C:)          
UTIL (D:)          
APPS (E:)          
         
Disk 2 - No Ghost Disk ID          
BU_DRIVE (I:)         
         
All partitions are seen in Windows Explorer and in any other program or file/folder/drive display (of any type) I have ever seen on this PC-- except for Ghost 2003 from within Windows OS.
 

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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #22 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 4:26am
 
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So it's the 3rd, 4th and 5th volumes that don't show in Ghost. I started to do the maths on your volumes but gave up. The maths is a mess.


Edit.... Out of interest, do you see any errors in BootIt NG Partition Work? Any "E" partitions in Partition Work?
 
 
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Reply #23 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 5:59am
 
Brian wrote on Nov 27th, 2010 at 4:26am:
do you see any errors in BootIt NG Partition Work? Any "E" partitions in Partition Work


I have never seen any errors in BootIt on this drive.

Sorry I don't know what you are referring to as far as "E" partitions.
 

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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #24 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 7:39am
 
NightOwl wrote on Nov 27th, 2010 at 12:05am:
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Questions?  Comments?



Hi again.
I have been pretty busy working with this problem, but time is a limiting factor.

I got a bit confused after your first suggestion about editing boot sector.

Now I have done:

1. Ghost restored from when this Asus 1000H was new taken after next to nothing had been done with it. The whole Disk and not only C. (2 years ago).
One exception: The recovery partition following the machine was already removed by me.

2. From gdisk I removed the EFI partiton as I do not use Boot Booster.

3. When restoring this Ghost image I made C approx 16 GB as it has been.

4. The rest of the disk was left unallocated, approx 135 GB.

5. I created a new D as a primary partition from all the free space.

6. I restored my C from a new Ghost-image of C after recovering from the shock
of seeing my original Asus 1000h without mouse, external display and a desktop with
much unfamiliar stuff.  Smiley

7. Now I have this according to gdisk32:

Microsoft Windows XP [Versjon 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corporation


C:>gdisk32 1 /status
Disk  Partitions  Cylinders  Heads  Sectors  Mbytes  Model
  1        2        19457     255      63  152627.8 

Partition  Status   Type     Volume Label   Mbytes   System   Usage
C:  1        A    PRIMARY                 16002.2  NTFS/HPFS  10%
D:  2             PRIMARY                136623.1  NTFS/HPFS  90%


8. Partinfo shows:

Microsoft Windows XP [Versjon 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corporation

PARTINFW 1.11
Copyright (c) 1996-2008 TeraByte, Inc.  All rights reserved.

Run date: 11/27/2010 14:06

====================================================================
           MBR Partition Information (HD0 - 0x47EE47ED)
           (CHS: 1023/254/63) (WCHS: 19457/255/63)
+====+====+=============+====+=============+===========+===========+
| 0: | 80 |    0   1  1 |  7 | 1023 254 63 |        63 |  32772537 |
| 1: |  0 | 1023 254 63 |  7 | 1023 254 63 |  32772600 | 279804105 |
| 2: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |         0 |         0 |
| 3: |  0 |    0   0  0 |  0 |    0   0  0 |         0 |         0 |
+====+====+=============+====+=============+===========+===========+
                           BOOT SECTOR INFORMATION
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
File System ID: 0x7   LBA: 63  Total Sectors: 32772537   ID: 0x1
                          Jump: EB 52 90
                      OEM Name: NTFS
                 Bytes Per Sec: 512
                 Sec Per Clust: 8
                   Res Sectors: 0
                        Zero 1: 0x0
                        Zero 2: 0x0
                          NA 1: 0x0
                         Media: 0xF8
                        Zero 3: 0x0
                 Sec Per Track: 63
                         Heads: 255
                   Hidden Secs: 63
                          NA 2: 0x0
                          NA 3: 0x800080
                 Total Sectors: 0x01F411B8
                       MFT LCN: 0x0C0000
                  MFT Mirr LCN: 0x010
                 Clust Per FRS: 0xF6
              Clust Per IBlock: 0x1
                     Volume SN:
                      Checksum: 0x0
                     Boot Flag: 0xAA55
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
File System ID: 0x7   LBA: 32772600  Total Sectors: 279804105   ID: 0x2
                          Jump: EB 52 90
                      OEM Name: NTFS
                 Bytes Per Sec: 512
                 Sec Per Clust: 8
                   Res Sectors: 0
                        Zero 1: 0x0
                        Zero 2: 0x0
                          NA 1: 0x0
                         Media: 0xF8
                        Zero 3: 0x0
                 Sec Per Track: 63
                         Heads: 255
                   Hidden Secs: 32772600
                          NA 2: 0x0
                          NA 3: 0x800080
                 Total Sectors: 0x010AD78C8
                       MFT LCN: 0x0C0000
                  MFT Mirr LCN: 0x010AD78C
                 Clust Per FRS: 0xF6
              Clust Per IBlock: 0x1
                     Volume SN:
                      Checksum: 0x0
                     Boot Flag: 0xAA55
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Could I please get comments on this. Smiley
 
 
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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #25 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 1:18pm
 
Dan must be away.

OK, I'll give my opinion. I think the problem is corruption in the Extended Partition Tables within the Extended Partition. No idea why.

I'd backup the data in the Extended partition (copy/paste) and use BootIt NG to delete the volumes one by one and then delete the Extended partition. After clicking Delete for each volume and the extended partition, also click Clear Boot Sector as this will zero the relevant extended partition tables. Use "Clear Boot Sector" with each Delete. While still in BootIt NG you can create a new Extended partition with volumes.
 
 
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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #26 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 2:44pm
 
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I got a bit confused after your first suggestion about editing boot sector

Interesting--seeing you use the Ghost GDisk command line partitioning tool--I wouldn't expect the information about the RoadKil Disk Editor utility would be too intimidating!

Regarding your reply #24 above--the PartInfo looks fine--no obvious anomalies.  But, it is just two primary partitions and not anything like you originally posted.  If that's the direction you want to go--that's fine.

Does Ghost 2003 Windows interface work okay now--all partitions shown?  No errors reported when running Ghost interactively?
 

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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #27 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 3:18pm
 
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Here is exactly what appears in the Ghost display while it runs in Windows. (F, G, and H are the missing partitions).         
         
Disk 1 - No Ghost Disk ID         
Win_XP (C:)          
UTIL (D:)          
APPS (E:)          
         
Disk 2 - No Ghost Disk ID          
BU_DRIVE (I:)

So, on which drive(s) are each of the above missing partitions supposed to be?

Looking at the volume information from PartInfo--in four of the summaries it says:

Quote:
OEM Name: OEMNAME  (OEMNAME )

And in the other summaries it says:

Quote:
OEM Name: MSDOS5.0 (MSDOS5.0)

OEM Name: MSWIN4.1 (MSWIN4.1)


You say here in your reply #6:

Quote:
About 10 years ago I did use Vcom Partiton Commander (a program from that era) to create these partitions and later cloned from one drive to to the other with it a few times-- I was trying to equalize life expectancy of the drives by alternating their *working* and *backup* tasks.


And, then you say in your reply #21:

Quote:
FWIW -- the Volume Labels as shown in these tables are/were somewhat messed up. I had originally created these partitions in the Vcom partition manager I previously mentioned. At some later date I then renamed these labels from within WinXP. The new labels were OK in any Windows display of them but that edit from within the Windows OS did not correctly appear in the Vcom partition manager, nor in BootIt NG. Since running PartInfo and posting the results in this thread, I have edited the volume labels from within in the Vcom partition manager to match what I had previously done in Win XP


Is there something about how Vcom has created partitions that are somehow throwing off Ghost 2003 ability to recognize them?  If the partition labels created by WinXP are not compatible with Vcom--maybe there's an issue going the other way as far as Ghost 2003 is concerned!
 

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Reply #28 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 3:42pm
 
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DL258 wrote on Nov 27th, 2010 at 5:59am:
Sorry I don't know what you are referring to as far as "E" partitions

"E" for error. BING shows an "E" if there are overlapping partitions. With primary partitions, BING lets you correct the error by editing the End LBA. With logical volumes, BING lets you delete the volume (but don't Clear the Boot Sector) and then Undelete the volume. The relevant Extended Partition Table is fixed and the volumes no longer overlap.
 
 
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Re: Disappearing partitions in Ghost 2003
Reply #29 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 3:54pm
 
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Brian

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With primary partitions, BING lets you correct the error by editing the End LBA. With logical volumes, BING lets you delete the volume (but don't Clear the Boot Sector) and then Undelete the volume. The relevant Extended Partition Table is fixed and the volumes no longer overlap

How come you didn't recommend *repairing* the partition tables to
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xcurious in your reply #25 ?  (Granted, it looks like he's already moved beyond a repair at this point!)



 

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