Thursday: 09.September.2004

Indian Point: Imagining the Unimaginable

A documentary airs on HBO tonight: Indian Point: Imagining the Unimaginable. Indian Point is a nuclear plant built on the beautiful Hudson river in New York's (densely populated) Westchester county, ~30 minutes (24 miles) north of the city. I worked there for a year back in the 90s.

In the aftermath of 9/11, Indian Point has been receiving much attention because it's located in such a heavily-populated area, making it one of the most attractive targets for terrorist attacks. More info here.

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There are actually *two* nuclear reactors operating at Indian Point facility: Units 2 & 3 (IP2 & IP3). When I was there, Consolidated Edison (ConEd) owned Unit 2 (IP2). Back in 1975, ConEd ran into financial trouble. As part of the bail-out, they sold Unit 3 (IP3) to the New York Power Authority for $350 mil (give or take a mil or two). In 2000/2001, both units were bought by Entergy. When both units are running, they earn $2-Mil each day (which is why Entergy hates to shut them down, even for 5 minutes).

There has been much debate whether nuclear plants can (are designed to) withstand the impact of a direct hit from a commercial airliner, but the safe answer is 'No'. I've always heard the containment domes could withstand one, but not two direct hits from a 727. But they've never been tested, so no one really knows.

Immediately following the IP documentary, HBO is airing *another* documentary, titled: Chernobyl Heart, which won an Academy Award. Alright, already. Enough doom & gloom for one day.

Despite the reputation New Yorkers have as being aggressive and confrontational, I found the folks at IP to be among the nicest I've worked with anywhere. New Yorkers have a unique sense of humor. They find humor in the most distressing situations. I worked with many entertaining characters there and really miss those guys. They are pretty up-front about things. If they don't like something, they'll let you know (refreshingly *not* passive-aggressive).

New York also has one of the nation's best public education systems. I think it ranks near the top. So you're more likely to be dealing with a higher caliber person there. At least, it seemed that way to me. The biggest problem I had with NY was its high co$t of living. It's just too dang expensive to live there.

Here on the Left coast, the documentary airs at 8PM. The doc is done by one of the Kennedy clan (Rory), longtime anti-nukes. There's a saying in the nuclear industry: "More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than in all the nuclear plants in this country combined." [I *love* Martha's Vineyard, btw.]

Notice the *timing* of the release: 2 days before the anniversary of 9/11. Here is a Google search pre-configured for query-string: Indian Point nuclear power plant.





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Are you at Unit 2 or 3?

Certainly, no one will claim the doc is balanced.

If you are deriving a paycheck from IP, it could be argued that you are even more biased than the filmakers.

They do make a good point about a no-fly zone. That would be easy to implement and hurt no one. In reality, it might do no good, but at least it looks good.

What is the word on the inside .. do they say the containment domes would be able to withstand a direct hit from a commercial airliner.

Is "Johnny Ritts" still outside the gate? =)

Posted by: Rad1 at September 11, 2004 06:46 AM

Unit 2. Ritt's granddaughter just had her sweet 16 party. Kennedy's whole career iz hung on this bullshit movie, so he's not biased?

The Sandia study, of years ago, in which a jet fighter was slammed into a concrete wall at 480 miles per hour (and which Kennedy dismisses) is interesting because the engine, being in a direct line to the center of the block, and being the same type of engine, in size'n'weight to a 767 motor, penetrated 2 inches....... Lets say that again... TWO (2) inches.

(The containment dome concrete is 6 feet thick,
with embedded 2" rebar one inch apart throughout, woven in both up/down, circumferential/horizontal, and diagonal patterns, like a huge steel basket encased in stone
IF ONLY WORLD TRADE HAD BEEN MADE THIS WAY!)

It seems the modulus of inertia inherent in the molecular concrete bonds eats the kinetic energy of the strike, and then shock waves it back out at the engine, whose steel & titanium modulus of deformation is lower than the kinetic force in the shockwave,... in a word, turning the metal to vapor, dust, micro sized shards, and dissipating them in a semicircular puff of debris.

The dome, even if injured, is monolithic, and round, and cannot fall down, or fall over.
It is lined with a flexible, impervious 1" thick stainless steel membrane, which catches
any loose concrete spalling off the wall interior, and holds it tight, where it came off.

Now think of this, if Mohammed Atta is a REAL GOOD pilot, & hits dead on, his engines are not dead on, they are out to the side! Except at a true perpendicular 90 degrees, the metal would not even penetrate the aforementioned 2 inches, and remember the containment is ROUND providing that opportunity only in a tiny, tiny spot.

If Mo Atta iz notsogood,
and hits a little off center,
he glances off.... and simply flames Johnny Ritts, which needs renovation anyway.

The bullshit accusation takes a second to make,
and the real world modelling of it
takes all this verbiage,and detailed envisioning.
Nuclear Energy Institute commissioned a peer reviewed study that took a year to simulate on the Cray computer,and reached the same conclusion.

Kennedy is relying on people's ignorance to raise his own visibility.

Total web hits on "Indian Point"= 85,000
Total web hits on "Robt F Kennedy jr"= 12,000
So.....
Indian Point is the Celebrity, Kennedy is the Groupie, understand?

By the way, my net monitoring shows very little activity from the Kennedy piece, (mainly me)
That's how I found yer site!

Now, do yourself a favor, write to Kennedy, and ask him to discuss that dome, in the way I just did.( Doh!!!!!!!) Whattalaff!

Enjoy!

Nice looking site, by the way.

Posted by: Harry1 at September 11, 2004 12:45 PM

While RFKjr, under the spell of his own speeches,
concentrates, concentrates, concentrates,
(on a clean, well defended Indian Point)
....much badder stuff is out there
to which he is OBLIVIOUS
See Below:

Dirty bomb called 'all but inevitable'
Keay Davidson, San Francisco Chronicle Science Writer
Sunday, September 5, 2004

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/09/05/MNGJE8KA5N1.DTL

A flood of radioactive sources, from discarded cancer
treatment machines advertised on the Internet to misplaced
industrial gadgets that turn up in junkyards, have yet to be
corralled by U.S. authorities three years after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks, experts say -- and could easily be
exploited by terrorists seeking to make a dirty bomb.

The material is so abundant and easy to obtain, the experts
say, that it is almost inevitable that a U.S. city will be
the target of a bomb salted with radioactive waste.

And if a terrorist attaches ordinary chemical explosives to
stolen radioactive sources, then detonates the bomb in or
over a city -- spreading a "hot" plume over a huge urban
area -- the consequences could be devastating.

Despite valiant efforts by emergency preparedness and
military agencies to prepare for such an attack -- including
a simulated dirty bomb "attack" in Los Angeles on Aug. 5-6
-- a real-life, devastating attack could cause property
losses far in excess of Sept. 11 and have unforeseeable
health effects, analysts warn.

The list of woe includes:

-- "There are more than 2 million radioactive sources in the
U.S. (that are) used for medical procedures, research and
industrial processes," noted Rep. Edward J. Markey, D-Mass.,
in a statement late last year. "In the past five years, the
Nuclear Regulatory Commission reported that nearly 1,500
radioactive sources have been reported lost or stolen in the
U.S., but less than half of them have been found."

-- The Internet provides a potential route for the
irresponsible to obtain deadly radioactive sources, Markey
warned in mid-August. As an example of what he called the
"atomic EBay," he cited a recent online offer by a hospital
in Beirut to give away -- for free -- a used cancer therapy
machine, containing a highly radioactive cobalt-60 source,
to anyone who would pay to remove it.

-- Because radioactive grains can "chemically bind to
asphalt, concrete and glass," in the words of Jaime M.
Yassif of the Federation of American Scientists, some
cleanups might require the use of exotic new tools such as
concrete-eating bacteria. Just locating all contaminants
could be nearly impossible, given the ease with which
they're absorbed by soil and disappear into cracks in wood
and pavement.

"In a recent and very realistic Swedish exercise using
instruments in cars, trucks and aircraft to search for
concealed (radioactive) sources, only about half of the
sources were found by any given team, and some sources were
not found by any of the search teams," write physicist Peter
Zimmerman, former chief scientist for the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, and Cheryl Loeb, research associate at
National Defense University at Fort McNair in Washington,
D.C., in the January issue of Defense Horizons.

While there's disagreement over how many people would be
killed in a dirty bomb assault -- perhaps thousands, perhaps
a few, perhaps nobody if people evacuated quickly enough to
safe sites where they could remove contaminated clothing,
then shower -- the economic impact could be cataclysmic. .

The long-term health issues are difficult to assess.

For many decades, experts have fiercely debated
radioactivity's lasting effect on the human body. Some
experts believe that radioactivity below a certain intensity
isn't dangerous, and say the public is overly scared of low-
level radioactive sources; others say there is no safe level
of radiation. But plenty of high-level radionuclides are
used in medical, industrial and research facilities -- and,
if procured by terrorists, would make a devastating dirty bomb.

A cancer therapy machine with a cobalt-60 source might have
thousands of curies, the unit used to measure radiation. Yet
even "a 100-curie source (is) extremely dangerous,"
Zimmerman and Loeb note.

Given the uncertainty about health effects, some experts
regard a dirty bomb as being, first and foremost, a
psychological weapon, one that sparks mass hysteria and
social disruption -- even if the fear isn't necessarily
justified by a specific attack.

Mind you, the news isn't all bad.

Three years after the Sept. 11 attacks, federal authorities
have made progress toward rounding up radioactive sources.
In May, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham announced that the
Department of Energy "surpassed a congressional target of
recovering and securing 5,000 radioactive sources
domestically within an 18-month time period." Hospitals are
trying to minimize their reliance on radioactive sources for
therapy, diagnosis and research.

At UCSF, the amount of radioactive medical waste generated
annually plunged from 11,000 cubic feet per year in 1992 to
2,280 cubic feet in 2003, said Ara Tahmassian, associate
vice chancellor for research.

One reason is the development of highly sensitive devices
for measuring trace amounts of radioactivity injected into
the body or used in research.

In a typical experiment, Tahmassian noted, "we were using
milliliters (of chemicals) and now we're using microliters"
-- a thousandfold difference. In the last five years or so,
the drop in waste has relieved the once-worrisome pressure
on UCSF's limited storage facilities for radioactive waste.
After such waste decays to a safe level, it is shipped to a
low-level radioactive waste site in Utah.

Also, the number of U.S. cancer radiation therapy machines
that use radioactive sources has fallen from more than 1,000
to about 100 since the 1970s because of the development of
alternatives such as particle accelerators, said Charles D.
Ferguson, a science and technology fellow at the Council on
Foreign Relations in Washington, D.C.

On another front, the U.S. steel industry has lessened its
reliance on radiation-equipped gadgets that were once
routinely used to check the integrity of welds. Many years
ago, these radiation sources occasionally fell into molten
vats. If not recovered, some ended up in steel scrap yards,
where no one realized how "hot" they were.

Despite such improvements, the threat of a dirty bomb attack
remains ominous.

"I don't want to fan hysteria but ... a dirty bomb attack is
all but inevitable in the coming years," Ferguson said in an
interview.

Ferguson has struggled for the last three years to prevent
such a disaster. He was a foreign affairs officer at the
U.S. State Department on Sept. 11, 2001, when terrorists hit
the World Trade Center and Pentagon. His boss ordered him:
"Charles, I want you to start drafting a memo to Secretary
(of State Colin) Powell -- we need to get his attention on
the dirty bomb issue."

Another leading anti-dirty bomb activist is Rep. Markey of
Massachusetts, who frequently assails what he views as the
nation's -- and in particular the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission's -- sluggish pace in preparing for such a
catastrophe.

"FedEx and Lands' End seem to do a better job at tracking
clothing purchases," Markey has said, "than the NRC does at
tracking radioactive materials."
A RISK NO INSURER WILL COVER

When it comes to a dirty bomb attack, the nation's Achilles'
heel might be its lack of insurance coverage for such a
disaster.

The U.S. insurance industry refuses to provide coverage for
a dirty bomb attack. The potential property loss could "be
worth more than the industry would be able to pay, it's as
simple as that," says Pete Moraga of the Insurance
Information Network of California, a trade association.

"Even with business interruption insurance, a wave of
bankruptcies is likely to follow (a dirty bomb attack),
unless the government steps in and offers subsidies to
everyone from business operators to owners of buildings to
mortgage holders," write physicist Peter Zimmerman, former
chief scientist for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
and Cheryl Loeb, a research associate at National Defense
University's Center for Technology and National Security
Policy, in the January issue of Defense Horizons.

They point out that the post-Sept. 11 economic recovery of
lower Manhattan cost up to $40 billion, and "the
consequences of a large or super RDD (radiological
dispersion device, a.k.a. dirty bomb) might well be more
costly."

They urge that the federal government "provide some form of
national insurance against radiological terrorism," akin to
federally subsidized flood insurance.

Even Lloyd's of London, famed for its willingness to insure
offbeat risks -- such as the capture of the Loch Ness
monster -- isn't daring to insure property owners against
dirty bombs.

As Neil Smith of Lloyd's Market Association told The Chronicle:

"The insurance industry worldwide, to all intents and
purposes, concluded many years ago that the scale of
disaster that could be caused by radioactive materials was
such that any such event could not be dealt with by
conventional insurance."

E-mail Keay Davidson at kdavidson@s....

Posted by: Me again at September 11, 2004 03:13 PM

I propose an annual "War of the Worlds Hoax" Festival,
to be held at Riverkeeper Headquarters, to commemorate
the dawn of the modern hoaxing era by Orson Welles in 1938.

Welles' genius was to place his hoax in a medium very much
believed in 1938, broadcast radio - only 10 years old at the time,
and to couch it in the guise of an emergency radio news broadcast.
With WWII on the horizon, people's fears of attack were high,
and Welles pushed his bogus info out into an audience prepped,
waiting, and ready to be fooled.

Sound familiar?
Parallels are indeed eerily present.

In 2004, with shows like 60 Minutes on a roll, investigative
and documentary journalism stands more or less where
broadcast radio did in 1938, in terms of people's gullibility.

WWII and 9-11 are of course equal fear factors, and I believe
90% of those convinced by Robert & Rory Kennedy's new
2004 hoax about Indian Point will have been convinced
by the medium, rather than the message.

I will dismantle the message of their hoax in another article,
but let me just honor them here for their Media accomplishment,
standing as it does, high up among the War of the Worlds,
Piltdown Man, Crop Circles, The Roswell Corpse film,
The Tasaday Tribe, Cold Fusion, and Milli Vanilli.

To both savor and utilize the additional fear factor available,
I propose that the Festival be held each year on the anniversary
of 9-11, (as Kennedy's Film was), and I propose that
Fenton Communications be commissioned each year, to revive
a classic hoax, and place it in the media as if real.

Two cash prizes will then be given at the festival, one to the first
audience member to spot Fenton's new hoax, and a second
to the audience member who can prove beyond a doubt that
Fenton's new hoax is indeed real.

Refreshments will be served.

Posted by: Me again, again at September 12, 2004 04:21 AM

I did not know about the rebar being spaced every inch. That would make a big difference. How can this be verified?

Posted by: Sal at September 14, 2004 01:36 PM

I graphically clean up old blueprints
by removing spots, coffee stains, etc.,
as part of my duties as an Indian Point Designer.
So over 10 years, I have gotten to walk through
just about the entire batch of 70,000+ originals.

But let me tell you just how I focused on the rebar issue.

I went to a Training Center in Toddville
owned by Indian Point,
where they keep old news
photos of the construction era (1955-1973) on the walls.

I saw this amazing close up photo of a construction guy, in bright sunlight,
in an old "English Army" type hardhat,
facing the camera, and trying to put his hand
thru a small space between what looked like
small tree trunks. He had a cigarette dangling,
and he was wearing a perplexed look.
The space was too small to put his hand in.

When I asked an old timer in the hall "What's this"
He just said "The rebar"

When I got back to my work area, I specifically
took a close look at all the old rebar & concrete prints.
I was amazed! A monster steel basket, 220 feet high!
(Once its inside, it might as well be in the great pyramid, nobody ever sees it again)

Except Me.
And now, in your mind's eye, you.

Posted by: Rebar Observer ,Me at September 15, 2004 03:18 AM

220 feet high? Do you mean it doesn't comprise the whole dome, only the sides?

Posted by: Sal at September 15, 2004 08:35 AM

The cylinder part has a different weave, than the spherical portion. They are heavily overlapped, and many layers thick. (not just one set). The inner sets are held to the outer sets by 3 foot long "hairpins" every 2 feet. the hairpins are recurved 1.5" rebar, wrapped in a nice sinuous curve
around the inner weave, stuck out through a special fitted path to the outer weave(s) , and back again. Without any concrete at all, it would stand there and be stronger than the World Trade Towers. Of course, its all encased in concrete.

I have been an artillery spotter & surveyor, and have seen 155mm shells & their effects
on a lot of stuff. On gut instinct alone, I would guess a 155 would not get through this arrangement, even if at full 90 degrees point-blank.
To discuss this more will put me in abrogation of the federal code....gotta stop now.

Posted by: rebarista at September 15, 2004 08:54 AM

You certainly sound very knowledable. Intuitively, I tend to feel a commercial aircraft would not be able to penetrate what you describe.

Has there been serious talk of shutting down the plant, or just rumor?

Posted by: Kamut at September 15, 2004 10:37 AM

Sandia labs did a test where a jet plane was rammed at 480 mph into a concrete wall.

The plane vaporized,
the wall remained intact.

Our intuitions are correct.

Posted by: Same Guy at September 19, 2004 12:05 AM

Which I suppose is why the terrorists flew right by on their way to the more pliable WTC.

Posted by: Rad1 at September 20, 2004 11:45 AM

Bobby called "Loser" on syndicated TV show
Posted: 12 Oct 2004 05:34 AM (274 of 276) Reply Advise

Last night Mr. Richard French, son of RNN's owner,
and annoying eternal presence on RNN TV network
was interviewing Robert F Kennedy jr,
(who came on RNN pushing his new book),
and French said the following to Kennedy:

"Bobby, what about Indian Point, we had heard
so much from you about that, and now it
appears that you have....er...lost?"-

-Kennedy said this:-

-"Richard, its the news media.
we have 5 or 6 corporations
owning all the news stations,
no more investigative reporters,
and so they keep a lid on the news."-

-He then went on to explain how
corporations are engaged in a
vast conspiracy with President
Bush to lie to Americans, steal
the country, and make profits.-

-This is such an odd,
amazing event, to see Mr. Kennedy
facing the ONE THING that
he hates more than pollution.
THE EXPERIENCE OF LOSING.-

-So , in typical Kennedy fashion,
he hatches a conspiracy theory.
HE can't be wrong,
WE must all be plotting against him.
HE cannot have used bad judgement,
and wasted 3 years on chasing
a myth foisted on him by maniacs,-

-It's the newspapers...yeah..thats it..
the newspapers....er....theyre all...
plotting with Bush, ...yeah plotting!

Dear Mr. Kennedy, how strange this
newspaper lockout story seems
from this side, where myself
and half a dozen pretty good
letter writers on the Indian Point
side actually have a
Roger Witherspoon anecdotal society-
where we swap tales of how Gannett
twisted, & suppressed the truth on Indian Point
for 3 years.
I have stacks of correspondence
to Gannett's CEO in Virginia
begging that our side be allowed
to have equal time.
I have reams of unpublished
letters sent fruitlessly to the NY Times,
well written letters, written to the Times'
writer's guidelines, letters never used,
while Kyle Rabin's hysterical, distorted
lies were published OVER & OVER.

I have stacks of letters written to
The Record, the North Country News,
and to Hudson River News, media
outlets that were stacked with cozy Riverkeeper
planted nonsense for 3 years while we were
locked out.

NO, NO, AND 1000 TIMES NO, "BOBBY"
YOU had the media conspiracy.
YOU had the planted "news"
What you DID NOT HAVE WAS THE TRUTH.

That is why,
in the words of Richard French...
"You have....er .....Lost"

Now let us consider the good manners
we see lacking here.
If a person has lost, and knows he has lost,
why not heal society a bit,
as any statesmanlike public figure ought to do,
and say something along the lines of:

"Yes, we tried to convince people,
but time has moved forward, and now we
are looking for other areas
where we perhaps can do more good."

Notice this statement does not admit
any truth about the issues,
it just states you have moved on.

But no.

You do not have the stature to behave this way.
You rattle from one lurid fantasy to another.
so now its:
"The Corporations are suppressing America"

Good, God, Bobby,
the corporations are HIRING America
the corporations are SUPPORTING America
The corporations in many cases
are all that America has.

Have you ever been to Walmart, Bobby?
To EVIL, EXPLOITIVE Walmart?
In Walmart a happy , eager potpourri
of races, ages & sexes churn together,
getting pretty good stuff for pretty cheap.
WE LIVE OUT OF WALMART, BOBBY!

Now if we had zany media careers
because we were famous,
and if we had a million dollar trustfund
stashed away by our gangster grandfathers,
Then maybe we too, could see the evil of Walmart.

But we are blinded, Bobby!
We are blinded by being working class Americans.
Blinded by needing to work, and to economize
(things you know zilch about)
So, because we are blinded by not being rich,
by not being above it all, like you (and God)

WE ARE FOOLED, BOBBY
WE ARE FOOLED THAT AMERICA IS OK
WE ARE FOOLED THAT THERES NO CONSPIRACY

What fools we are, I guess!
Maybe some day you can adopt us,
set up a trust fund for us,
and teach us how we were exploited!


Posted by: Harry the Rad at October 13, 2004 03:59 AM

Bobby called "Loser" on syndicated TV show
Posted: 12 Oct 2004 05:34 AM (274 of 276) Reply Advise

Last night Mr. Richard French, son of RNN's owner,
and annoying eternal presence on RNN TV network
was interviewing Robert F Kennedy jr,
(who came on RNN pushing his new book),
and French said the following to Kennedy:

"Bobby, what about Indian Point, we had heard
so much from you about that, and now it
appears that you have....er...lost?"-

-Kennedy said this:-

-"Richard, its the news media.
we have 5 or 6 corporations
owning all the news stations,
no more investigative reporters,
and so they keep a lid on the news."-

-He then went on to explain how
corporations are engaged in a
vast conspiracy with President
Bush to lie to Americans, steal
the country, and make profits.-

-This is such an odd,
amazing event, to see Mr. Kennedy
facing the ONE THING that
he hates more than pollution.
THE EXPERIENCE OF LOSING.-

-So , in typical Kennedy fashion,
he hatches a conspiracy theory.
HE can't be wrong,
WE must all be plotting against him.
HE cannot have used bad judgement,
and wasted 3 years on chasing
a myth foisted on him by maniacs,-

-It's the newspapers...yeah..thats it..
the newspapers....er....theyre all...
plotting with Bush, ...yeah plotting!

Dear Mr. Kennedy, how strange this
newspaper lockout story seems
from this side, where myself
and half a dozen pretty good
letter writers on the Indian Point
side actually have a
Roger Witherspoon anecdotal society-
where we swap tales of how Gannett
twisted, & suppressed the truth on Indian Point
for 3 years.
I have stacks of correspondence
to Gannett's CEO in Virginia
begging that our side be allowed
to have equal time.
I have reams of unpublished
letters sent fruitlessly to the NY Times,
well written letters, written to the Times'
writer's guidelines, letters never used,
while Kyle Rabin's hysterical, distorted
lies were published OVER & OVER.

I have stacks of letters written to
The Record, the North Country News,
and to Hudson River News, media
outlets that were stacked with cozy Riverkeeper
planted nonsense for 3 years while we were
locked out.

NO, NO, AND 1000 TIMES NO, "BOBBY"
YOU had the media conspiracy.
YOU had the planted "news"
What you DID NOT HAVE WAS THE TRUTH.

That is why,
in the words of Richard French...
"You have....er .....Lost"

Now let us consider the good manners
we see lacking here.
If a person has lost, and knows he has lost,
why not heal society a bit,
as any statesmanlike public figure ought to do,
and say something along the lines of:

"Yes, we tried to convince people,
but time has moved forward, and now we
are looking for other areas
where we perhaps can do more good."

Notice this statement does not admit
any truth about the issues,
it just states you have moved on.

But no.

You do not have the stature to behave this way.
You rattle from one lurid fantasy to another.
so now its:
"The Corporations are suppressing America"

Good, God, Bobby,
the corporations are HIRING America
the corporations are SUPPORTING America
The corporations in many cases
are all that America has.

Have you ever been to Walmart, Bobby?
To EVIL, EXPLOITIVE Walmart?
In Walmart a happy , eager potpourri
of races, ages & sexes churn together,
getting pretty good stuff for pretty cheap.
WE LIVE OUT OF WALMART, BOBBY!

Now if we had zany media careers
because we were famous,
and if we had a million dollar trustfund
stashed away by our gangster grandfathers,
Then maybe we too, could see the evil of Walmart.

But we are blinded, Bobby!
We are blinded by being working class Americans.
Blinded by needing to work, and to economize
(things you know zilch about)
So, because we are blinded by not being rich,
by not being above it all, like you (and God)

WE ARE FOOLED, BOBBY
WE ARE FOOLED THAT AMERICA IS OK
WE ARE FOOLED THAT THERES NO CONSPIRACY

What fools we are, I guess!
Maybe some day you can adopt us,
set up a trust fund for us,
and teach us how we were exploited!


Posted by: Harry theRad at October 13, 2004 04:01 AM