I have an HP Pavilion Notebook with a USB 2.0 PCMIA card attached to an external Iomega HDD drive, becuase my onboard usb 1.1 ports are excrucatingly slow. Until reently, I was unable to use Norton Ghost to image my notebook's hard drive after it restarted in DOS. I have now been able to do it successfully with the instructions that floow below, when using Ghost from 2 floppy disks. I wish to thank kurtlinux from the Experts Exchange for persevering with me and helping to solve this thorny issue. I hope this works as successfully for you in your particular system.
---Nick Baldo

      GETTING GHOST TO WORK THROUGH A LAPTOP USB 2.0 PCMIA CARD TO AN EXTERNAL DRIVE

1. MAKE GHOST FLOPPIES FROM NORTON GHOST UTILITIES
     -USB support, Advanced button, all drivers
     -Let it quick format the floppies or you will interrupt it's progress

2. DOWNLOAD HIMEM.SYS FROM INTERNET
     -If you are using XP, you cannot use it's himem.sys file, so go to www.bootdisk.com
     -Download the Windows 98SE botdisk, extract it to a formatted floppy
     -Copy himem.sys to your Ghost floppy

3. DOWNLOAD THE CORRECT USBASPI.SYS AND DI1000DD.SYS FROM THE INTERNET
     -Go To www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/usb-dos.htm and scroll to bottom of page
     -Download both kxlrw40an.exe and mhairudos.zip
     -Extract  kxlrw40an.exe first, then copy its USBASPI.SYS (1/26/02) to the floppy
     -Extract mhairudos.zip, then copy DI1000DD.SYS to the floppy
     -Do not copy the USBASPI.SYS from mhairudos.zip since it is older

4. EDIT CONFIG.SYS ON THE FLOPPY
     -Replace the existing config.sys lines with th following:

[menu]
menuitem=FROMFLPY, This computer was started from a Ghost boot disk
menuitem=FROMCD, This computer was started from a Ghost bootable CD

[FROMFLPY]

[FROMCD]

[COMMON]
LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS
FILES=40
BUFFERS=20
STACKS=9,256
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICEHIGH=USBASPI.SYS /v /w /e
DEVICEHIGH=DI1000DD.SYS

5. NOW REBOOT AND CROSS YOUR FINGERS
     -Enjoy:)

Thx.

I have updated the Ghost guide to include your post/coments at the bottom of this page:

http://ghost.radified.com/ghost_caveat.htm

Rad

;D

I am very honored.

Thank you.

njb

Some other enchancements:

If you also want to use an external USB (1.1 or 2) CD/RW for your images all you need to do is add "device=USBCD.SYS /d:USBCD001" to your config.sys file and in the autoexe.bat file add "mscdex /d:USBCD001"

Forgot to add :

USBCD.SYS is included with USBASPI.SYS in kxlrw40an.exe (step 3 of your original post)

I have been desperately trying to Ghost image to Anypak (USB2 20 GB external hard drive) & found this link from Radified Forums. But the site ww.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/usb-dos.htm to download the correct files shows not found. Can any one help me with the missing files. I might also need some overall help as I am not sure which of the 2 floppies to copy the files to. Is it OK if I use PC-DOS? It works OK when burning to CDs but far too many & far too slow.

Thank you

Colin Robertson

Colin,

Try this...

http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/usb-dos.php

At the bottom of the page there are two links for both the files to click on to start the downloads.

Good Luck :D

Radmin edit: these files were using too much of Glenn's bandwidth, so he sent them and I popsted them here:

http://radified.com/Files/

</edit>

Thank you for the new links. I have finally managed to get Ghost 2003 to write to the Anypak (internally a Fujitsu) USB 2 external hard drive through the PCMCIA card. This has been driving me nuts since Feb last year (2003) when I bought an expensive Dell laptop ($4,500) that seemed to have lots of everything but also had a well-kept secret ......... the on-board USB ports were only USB 1.1.

When I found that Ghost 2003 would not recognise the PCMCIA card I contacted Symantec but was just told Sorry, Tough Luck, Not Supported. Now that I have the solution, it is so simple that Symantec need a good swift kick right up the backside for such bad service. I won't say here what I now think of Dell, whose Tech Support is now off-shore in Malaysia and/or India, and whose help was even worse than that from Symantec.

To get it working I had to creat the Ghost Standard Boot Disk with USB support, All Drivers, and with MS-DOS, plus Assign DOS Drive Letters. I couldn't get it to work with PC-DOS. I then added the extra files to the first floppy and modified CONFIG.SYS.

I found it worked only if I booted from the first floppy with the card installed & the Anypak also connected but NOT swirched on until so prompted. I left the other USB devices (printer, scanner) connected, which made no difference.

There is a heart-stopping pause after scanning for USB devices and then suddenly it calls for the second floppy and when finished Ghost 2003 recognises the Anypak through the card. I don't have to tell you how much faster USB 2 is than USB 1.1.

Thank you for your help, it is much appreciated.

Regards from Brisbane, Australia

Colin Robertson

Good on, Colin :D

So happy you succeeded! Was glad to help.

See how easy it is once you have everything figured out??

You may want to keep track of which images you have made with your present "build" of Ghost. Apparently folks here have found out that using the upgrade feature to have the latest build can cause problems.  See the thread of the following link.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=Full_Rad_Board;action=display;num=1087433347

Thanks for that. I have Ghost 2003 build 793 having been updated from Live Update. Due to previous problems I have "wiped the slate clean" with the laptop, and the desktop is brand new and just imaging now for first time. But I can see that there are problems with mixing builds. Thanks for the warning.

Thanks again

Colin

will this work for firewire pcmia as well?  And if so what do I have to change in this process?

Thanks!

it will work. just select option to include firewire drivers.

do i have to do anything different from steps 2 on?  It looks like the code is taylored for usb and the sys. files are only for usb. are there any sys files for firewire?

Thanks again!

just use the windows interface and put a check in the box for "firewire"

Hi,
I have got ->
File Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.  

how to download these 2 files? thanks



roxe wrote on Jun 24^th, 2004 at 12:27am:

Colin, Try this... http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/usb-dos.php At the bottom of the page there are two links for both the files to click on to start the downloads. Good Luck :D

Looks like he removed the file.

http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/

I noticed this thread now has a few thousand views. Maybe he was feeling the bandwidth. I shot him an email, asking about it.

If anyone has the file handy, from a previous download, I'd be glad to mirror it on my 'Files' page:

http://radified.com/Files/

I have "unlimited" bandwidth.

I traded a few emails with Glenn. These files were suking too much of his bandwidth, so he sent them and I posted them here:

http://radified.com/Files/ (bottom-left)

Hi i have done everything you guys have said, how to set up the floppies and modify the files and it worked, my laptop boots fine from the floppy and recognizes de external hardrive, BUT... there's always a but uh? lol THe speed connection is not  like USB 2.0 should be, its only ghosting at between 150-200 MB/Min, so is there something I'm missing, please i need help, e-mail me at Ar6entino@hotmail.com
Thank you very much, you were a big help with it cuz at least now it takes less time but i know USB 2.0 can do better than that. thanks again

i still can't get this working, i have a firewire external harddrive connected to my laptop's PCMCIA card.  I keep getting a 40204 error. It looks like it can't see the PCMCIA card. Does anyone think this is due to the quote on symatec's site saying: Symantec does not support plugging the external drive into a Firewire or USB PCMCIA card on a laptop.  If it is, is there any way to bypass this for firewire?  I have an IBM T23 with the IBM PCMCIA firwire card.

Thanks

regitized


Quote:

Symantec does not support plugging the external drive into a Firewire or USB PCMCIA card on a laptop.

I suspect that's the problem.  Using a non-Ghost USB driver for DOS seems to allow use of a PCMCIA card for USB, (see here: http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1095438251),  but I've seen nothing regarding using Firewire under DOS through a PCMCIA card.

I've tried to access the links ( http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/download/usb-dos.php) detailed for the files, but it no longer works.

Can anybody suggest how I can get hold of the files USBASPI.SYS AND DI1000DD.SYS ?

Thanks

Quote:

"... Can anybody suggest how I can get hold of the files USBASPI.SYS AND DI1000DD.SYS ?" mjmsk

Try Googling the following expression:

'USBASPI.SYS + DI1000DD.SYS'

You should try with - and also without - the quotation marks.  Carefully winnow through the hits, and you almost certainly will find a workable link...[glb]... or...[/glb] ... you could simply visit:

http://radified.com/Files/

and search for USB - DOS.

[glb]El Pescador[/glb]

A double "thank you" to RAD and NJB.

Rad, great informative website!!

NJB, BRILLIANT program with excellent instructions!!

Thanks to NJB I was able to use Ghost on a  dinasour laptop (1.1 USB)  Compaq 1247 (1999) using a $25 no-name (external powered) 4 Port USB Cardbus Card (Model # 2514). It took Ghost a little under 1/2 hr to backup a 5 GB image. Speed was approx 140 MB/min. The amazing part was that Ghost recognized two other drives connected to the USB Cardbus.

In Windows 98 SE Ghost could "see" the drives attached to the Cardbus but could not verify the images.  I was able to verify the images by switching and connecting  each one seperately to the main single USB port at the back of the Compaq. That verification process took a very long time. Hope the above might be of help to someone else.

Thanks again Guys.

Ghost may encounter a problem while creating the file image.  If this happens, make sure that Ghost is updated to version 2003.793 or later.

This is a great resource.  I consider myself fairly computer literate (I'm not a programmer or enginner) and just want to ask what is the risk of using this solution to the PCMCIA USB 2.0 adapter card problem, if any?  

For example, if I mess something up will I wipe my internal harddrive clean, or mess up my laptop's registry or something like that?  If so, I'll suffer through USB 1.1 speed until I upgrade to a newer laptop.  Assuming Ghost 2003 will image through my laptop's USB 1.1 connection to my external harddrive.  It will, won't it?  I have about 9 GB on my C drive I want to image.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

Allen McKenzie

If the non-Ghost DOS driver is not compatible, your system may freeze, or you may get an error message...but no harm done.

Just reboot without the DOS boot disk and you're back where you started from.

The only time you're at risk when using Ghost is when you 'restore' or 'clone' to your HDD--that's when you are writing to the HDD and making changes.  When creating an image, you save the image to a HDD, but it's not changing the source information.


Quote:

Assuming Ghost 2003 will image through my laptop's USB 1.1 connection to my external harddrive.  It will, won't it?

You'll never know for sure until you try  ;) .

Kick-Ass Thread!
Thanks for the info.
Just a simple question though....

Is there a size limitation to the external hard drive connected via the USB2 port?  I appear to be getting a read error on my external drive which is 120GB in size.  Please don't tell me I'm bound by drives smaller than 80 gigs....   OK, if you have to tell me that, then please go easy on me.  I'm going to have to hunt down a smaller drive then.  If there are no size limitations, which would be hard to believe, then I'll keep troubleshooting till I get this right.

But again, just wanted to say thank you for some pretty kick ass stuff!
:D

:) Bonjour,
J'ai un laptop Dell C640 , grace a vous j'ai pu utiliser Ghost 2003 avec carte PCMCIA et port USB 2.0.
Votre méthode est excellente.
Thankyou very much

Translation:

Hello, I have a laptop Dell C640, thanks to you I could use Ghost 2003 with chart PCMCIA and port USB 2.0.  Your method is excellent.

Yep, i can't believe. It only took one try even. I couldn't get anything but corrupted win98se bootdisks from www.bootdisk.com, but found necessary package (with himem.sys) at this site:
http://flyakite.msfnhosting.com/98se.htm

thanks everyone who contributed and helped me finally make efficient backup and recovery a reality

hi,

i have tried everything but when it comes to "connect target to usb port", i get this error "no usb host controller found" although my pcmcia card is connected and my external hard drive is connected

can anyone please help me and tell me what tot do?

thankyou

medhat kamal.


Quote:

i have tried everything

Need a little more detail than this--your hardware setup, what boot disk have you setup, content of *config.sys* and *autoexec.bat*, and any other helpful information to give us a starting point in order to....


Quote:

...help me and tell me what tot do?

hi,

thanks for replying

i am using the first boot option in norton ghost 2003, i did all the steps in the first page, i have copied all the content for the config.sys in the first page to my config.sys, my autoexec.bat contains these information:
@echo off
SET TZ=GHO+08:00
MOUSE.COM
echo Loading...
cls

if %config% == FROMFLPY goto FLPYBOOT
if %config% == FROMCD goto CDBOOT

goto FAILED

:FLPYBOOT
echo Insert Ghost boot disk 2 (containing Ghost.exe)
pause
if exist a:\ghost\ghost.exe goto GHOSTFND
goto FLPYBOOT

:CDBOOT
echo Insert Ghost boot disk 2 (containing Ghost.exe)
pause
if not exist b:\ghost\ghost.exe goto CDBOOT
b:
goto GHOSTFND

:GHOSTFND
cd \ghost
echo Loading...
GHOST.EXE
goto END

:FAILED
echo Unknown boot menu selection
goto END

:END

i don't know what else to do, whenever i press enter after i connect the target usb to my port it gives me usb host controller not found

my usbaspi.sys is of size 37KB

my DI1000DD.SYS is of size 16KB

i hope these are the correct files
thankyou

[quote author=medhat kamal lottfy  link=1075994733/30#32 date=1120937949]"... I don't know what else to do, whenever i press enter after i connect the target usb to my port it gives me usb host controller not found..."[/quote]
medhat kamal lottfy -

I am operating on the assumption that you have a notebook PC with a PCMIA-to-USB 2.0 card, an external HDD connected via USB 2.0 , and your OS is XP Home Edition or Professional.

The two tables below illustrate USB 2.0 host controller and USB 2.0 device controller specifications I have gleaned while trying to ensure compatibility of USB 2.0 external HDD enclosure kits with DOS-based Norton Ghost 2003:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/HostHdws.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/HDDHdws.jpg

From what I can tell up to now, USB 2.0 host controllers have eventually shaken out to either VID=8086h or VID=1033h - and no other thusfar.  So, what I am now able to do with a fair degree of certainty is counsel someone as to: (1) whether or not they will need a PCI-to-USB Host Adapter Card despite having USB 2.0 ports on their systemboard - and which model cards are compliant with Ghost 2003 operations; and (2) whether or not adopting NightOwl's Panasonic Universal USB Drivers routine will render their hitherto incompatible external enclosure kit Ghost 2003-compatible.

On the host end of the "bridge", the useful items are in properties of only those terminal "branch(es)" on the Universal Serial Bus controllers "tree" containing the word 'Enhanced'.  On the destination end of the "bridge", the useful items are in properties of only those terminal "branch(es)" on the Universal Serial Bus controllers "tree" containing the phrase 'Mass Storage Device'.

To reveal the particulars of both your USB 2.0 PCMIA host controller and your USB 2.0 device controller , follow the procedure below:

(1) go to Desktop and right click on My Computer;

(2) drop down to left click on Manage;

(3) in left pane, expand System Tools;

(4) in left pane, drop down to left click on Device Manager;

(5) for both USB controllers and mass storage devices in right pane, expand Universal Serial Bus controllers;

(6) for USB Mass Storage Devices, skip down to (7) - else for USB 2.0 controllers, focus on those lines containing either the abbreviation 'USB2' or the word 'Enhanced', then go to (7);

(7) right click on any such lines that drop down, then left click on Properties;

(8) left click on the Details tab;

(9) left click on the dropdown menu containing Device Instance Id; and

(10) left click on Hardware Ids and carefully transcribe the last two lines in the window. To be overly generous, drop down two more lines and repeat for Matching Device Id.

The image below reveals the functional USB 2.0 controller on the Macally PHR-100A enclosure (note that on my Dell Dimension 8300, I have three 'Enhanced' USb controllers listed - including the poisonous Intel 80281EB):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/PHR100AAs.jpg

If we are aware what is at each end of your "bridge", then we all can learn by working together - not only to help you, but also the next person whose PC goes awry.

[glb]El Pescador[/glb]

medhat kamal lottfy

1.  Are you using a laptop, and are you booting from a USB floppy drive, that you disconnect and then connect your HDD to the USB port during the boot up?

The reason I ask is in the command line in *config.sys*:

DEVICEHIGH=USBASPI.SYS /v /w /e

The '/w' switch is a 'wait until I connect the USB device' command--usually used to allow for disconnecting one device and connecting another device.  If you do not need to do this, I would try removing the switch from the above command line.  And having the USB HDD already connected and turned on before booting.

2.  I assume you are loading the Panasonic USB driver v2.06.  There has been two additional versions released that you could try:

v2.15, size=39,093, dated 10/26/2003

v2.20, size=39,179, dated 11/07/2004

These are self-extracting files.  You will find USBASPI.SYS in the F2H subdirectory.

Let us know if the newer versions offer compatibility with your hardware setup.

hi,

first thankyou for your help

i have removed the /w switch frm the config.sys, i've tried both files and it gave me the same error as if the pcmcia card is not installed, i really don't know what to do to make it work, i've cheked the kind of usb on the pcmcia card and it's NEC, i beleive i've read somewhere that panasonic drivers suport nec usb chipsets, i don't know if there is any other drivers i should try?
my external hard drive is 80GB, i don't know if they matter

thankyou

medhat kamal

1.  What brand of USB HDD do you have?  Is it an *enclosure* type setup where you add the HDD to it?

2.  Is the USB NEC chip on the PCMCIA card USB 1.1 or 2.0?  You could try removing the '/e' switch from the command line *DEVICEHIGH=USBASPI.SYS /v /w /e*.

That switch forces USB 2.0 only, removing it lets the USB driver 'automatically' load the necessary support for all flavors of USB.

3.  Do you have any *legacy* USB support enabled in the BIOS to support USB mice or keyboards attached to the system?  These can sometime interfer with the function of the USB driver being loaded in *config.sys*--disable these in the BIOS.

Unfortunately, not all USB devices work under DOS with the available USB drivers available--only trial and error answers that question--there are not a lot of drivers available.

You did not list your *config.sys* file, but I assume it is the same as the beginning of this thread--you're using a Win98se boot disk that has been modified--so using MS-DOS files for the DOS OS, and loading *himem.sys* in config.sys--some systems need MS-DOS and not PC-DOS in order to functions properly--and need the *himem.sys* loaded for proper memory management.

Let us know how your efforts progress.

medhat kamal lottfy -

Am I correct in assuming that you have a notebook PC with a PCMIA-to-USB 2.0 card, an external HDD connected via USB 2.0 (what make and model ?), and that your OS is XP Home Edition or Professional ?

On the host end of the "bridge", the useful items are in properties of only those terminal "branch(es)" on the Universal Serial Bus controllers "tree" containing the word 'Enhanced'.  On the destination end of the "bridge", the useful items are in properties of only those terminal "branch(es)" on the Universal Serial Bus controllers "tree" containing the phrase 'Mass Storage Device'.

If you are running a Windows XP operating system, please reveal the particulars of both your USB 2.0 PCMIA host controller and your USB 2.0 device controller by following the procedure below:

(1) go to Desktop and right click on My Computer;

(2) drop down to left click on Manage;

(3) in left pane, expand System Tools;

(4) in left pane, drop down to left click on Device Manager;

(5) for both USB controllers and mass storage devices in right pane, expand Universal Serial Bus controllers;

(6) for USB Mass Storage Devices, skip down to (7) - else for USB 2.0 controllers, focus on those lines containing either the abbreviation 'USB2' or the word 'Enhanced', then go to (7);

(7) right click on any such lines that drop down, then left click on Properties;

(8) left click on the Details tab;

(9) left click on the dropdown menu containing Device Instance Id; and

(10) left click on Hardware Ids and carefully transcribe the last two lines in the window. To be overly generous, drop down two more lines and repeat for Matching Device Id.

The image below reveals the functional USB 2.0 controller on the Macally PHR-100A enclosure (note that on my Dell Dimension 8300, I have three 'Enhanced' USb controllers listed - including the poisonous Intel 80281EB):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/PHR100AAs.jpg

Be advised that knowing what hardware with concomitant software controllers are each end of your "bridge" is useful in helping you - and others in the future.

[glb]El Pescador[/glb]

hi,
can you please tell me how exactly to insert an image because i am using this statement to upload an image on my computer but it's not working

e://forum_image\pic1.jpg

thankyou

wrote on Jul 11^th, 2005 at 4:27pm:

"... can you please tell me how exactly to insert an image because i am using this statement to upload an image on my computer but it's not working..."

This thread has several posts therein with comments on inserting images (if your online photo-storage site is inaccessible for whatever reason, let me know and I will place an eMailed image from you in one of my two local accounts):

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1118705524;start=16#16

[glb]El Pescador[/glb]

hi,

after a lot of reading it woooooooooooooorked,

i've read somewhere that some computer it's pcmcia slots are off and they need a special driver to turn them on so i have downloaded usbenabler for the pcmcia slot and i used duse.exe 4.9 as a usb mass storage driver and it worked with ghost too
everything is fine finally
thankyou very much for your help, i really appreciate it

medhat kamal

Great news!

For the good of the forum, could you offer a link to where you found that information about having to enable the pcmcia slot, and the source for the 'usbenabler' driver(?), or program(?).

I would be curious to know, also, if the Panasonic driver also now works with the pcmcia enabled.

You might find that it gives better performance while doing a Ghost backup, if it does.

wrote on Jul 12^th, 2005 at 12:09am:

"... it's pcmcia slots are off and they need a special driver to turn them on so i have downloaded usbenabler for the pcmcia slot and i used duse.exe 4.9 as a usb mass storage driver and it worked with ghost too..."

NightOwl wrote on Jul 12^th, 2005 at 2:01am:

"... Great news!"

[glb]Great news, indeed !!![/glb]Please share the details for the good of the forum:
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1075994733;start=37#37

[glb]El Pescador[/glb]

hi,

i don't remember exactly where i read the article about the pcmcia cards that need to be turned on but if i found it, i'll post the link but it was on dell forums, the link for cardbus usb 2.0 enabler for dos is on this site but the file is only trial for 14 days http://www.tssc.de

i was trying to get a a crack for it but i couldn't, then i used duse 4.4 driver for USB mass storage but for some reason it kept hanging on me, after that i downloaded duse 4.9 then it worked fine, duse driver is found on this web site
http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm

thankyou

medhat kamal -

From what I can tell up to now, USB 2.0 host controllers have eventually shaken out to either VID=8086h or VID=1033h - and no other thusfar.

On the host end of the "bridge", the useful items are in properties of only those terminal "branch(es)" on the Universal Serial Bus controllers "tree" containing the word 'Enhanced'.  On the destination end of the "bridge", the useful items are in properties of only those terminal "branch(es)" on the Universal Serial Bus controllers "tree" containing the phrase 'Mass Storage Device'.

Please reveal the particulars of both your USB 2.0 PCMIA host controller and your USB 2.0 device controller by following the procedure below:

(1) go to Desktop and right click on My Computer;

(2) drop down to left click on Manage;

(3) in left pane, expand System Tools;

(4) in left pane, drop down to left click on Device Manager;

(5) for both USB controllers and mass storage devices in right pane, expand Universal Serial Bus controllers;

(6) for USB Mass Storage Devices, skip down to (7) - else for USB 2.0 controllers, focus on those lines containing either the abbreviation 'USB2' or the word 'Enhanced', then go to (7);

(7) right click on any such lines that drop down, then left click on Properties;

(8) left click on the Details tab;

(9) left click on the dropdown menu containing Device Instance Id; and

(10) left click on Hardware Ids and carefully transcribe the last two lines in the window to post in this thread.

The image below reveals the functional USB 2.0 controller on the Macally PHR-100A enclosure (note that on my Dell Dimension 8300, I have three 'Enhanced' USb controllers listed - including the poisonous Intel 80281EB):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/PHR100AAs.jpg

[glb]El Pescador[/glb]

[glb]paging medhat kamal lottfy...[/glb]
Please join dgroover in adding to our knowledge base:
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1095438251;start=41#41 :D

[glb]El Pescador[/glb]

Hi, I am using external hard drive connect directly to onboard usb port. I been follow every single step on the first page, but it still gave me an error of " can't find the USB controller, no letter drive was added" I wasn't able to see my external drive. I am using PC-dos bootable disk. If I have to use MS-DOS, can any help tell me how to make it with ghost  2003 software?

Thanks

Vincent wrote on Jul 27^th, 2005 at 2:22pm:

"... I am using external hard drive connect directly to onboard usb port.  I been follow every single step on the first page, but it still gave me an error of ' can't find the USB controller, no letter drive was added' I wasn't able to see my external drive.  I am using PC-dos bootable disk. If I have to use MS-DOS, can any help tell me how to make it with ghost 2003 software?..."

Three questions: (1) What make and model of external HDD are you working with ?; (2) do you have a 3.5-inch floppy drive on your PC ?; and (3) do you have access to a PC running WIN 98SE or WIN Me ?

[glb]El Pescador[/glb]

Doesn't look like this thread has gotten any posts in a few months but if anyone is interested, I was able to use a similar process with Ghost 2003 from the Windows interface to access a PCMCIA USB2.0 card and an Iomega Hard Drive.

I enabled USB 2.0 in Ghost 2003, selected user files and added himem.sys, USBASPI.SYS  and  DI1000DD.SYS

I then added all lines from the [COMMON] section of the original instructions to the Config.sys additions.  I don't believe the stacks command worked properly and the Ghost 2.0 drivers did not detect a device (I might have been able to remove them altogether but it worked so I didn't waste anymore time with it).

This seemed to do the trick.  Ghost was able to access the drive and at USB 2.0 speeds (I typically see about a 4X improvement over USB 1.0 / 1.1).

Hope this helps.

This procedure is just what I need the trouble is I am new to this sort of thing and need someone to hold my hand. I have created the 2 boot discs and can copied the extra files but where do I find the config.sys file? I have 5 files on the first disc:Ghost,USB,IO,Mouse,MSDOS.One file on the second disc:GHOST.
I have a dell inspiron3800 running XP pro, I have 98SE on another computer and both have floppy drives.
Please could someone spare the time to walk me through this procedure.

What a great board!  Okay, here is my delima... I know you guys can handle this.

I have a IBM Thinkpad X30 with a Hitachi 40GB Hard Drive.  Two partitions exist, the 38gb Windows Partition and a FAT32 LBA partition that has some IBM recovery junk in there.  I just bought the Seagate Momentus 5400.2 100GB drive.  How the heck to I ghost to that drive?  I am on WinXP Pro SP2.

Here is what I've tried so far:

Ghost 2003 on my workstation with both 2.5" drives connected to different IDE channels.. Boot to DOS and clone the drive to the new drive.  The thinkpad wont boot the new drive.  I tried the -IB option to set the Image Boot option.    I tried all the options actually.  Any ideas?

I dont have a floppy drive, only a CD-RW drive on this laptop.  I also only have USB 1.1 .. But I do have a USB2.0 PCMCIA card and a External Hard Drive that I could use.

Thanks in advance!

Bradley

Could try imaging the old drive to the external.

Create bootable CD

http://nightowl.radified.com/bootcd/bootcdintro.html

http://ghost.radified.com/bootable_cd_dvd.htm

Shutdown

Remove old hard drive

Install new hard drive.

Boot with bootable floppy

Restore image

I'm curious why method you tried didn't work

Did you select disk-to-disk or partition-to-partion?

You need to use disk.

I tried Disk-to-Disk... I've used ghost 100's of times and never had any problems.  It seams there is something different about the way my workstation sees the drive and the Thinkpad laptops.  I found others with the same problem.  I am trying Dantz Retrospect right now.  I did a full backup, put the new HD in (replaced the old one), installed winxp pro, installed sp2, ... and now I am in the process of restoring the data ... 7gb left to restore.  Wish me luck!

Good luck.

Hello,
I have been reading through the threads quite a few times on this very

informative siteand due to its content succesfully managed to use my

external hard drive in dos with Norton 2003!
Thanks
This is great but my laptop is a sony vaio with only 1.1 usb ports.
I have a 2.5 " HD which sits inside an enclosure and a PCMIA USB 2 and

Fire wire adapter host.
I Have followed precisely the  metodology provide by some patient and

informative posters here but to no avail.
My final result is that the host is detected but I cant get further than

the "scanning for USB devices "caption.
My settings are as follows
[menu]
menuitem=FROMFLPY, This computer was started from a Ghost boot disk
menuitem=FROMCD, This computer was started from a Ghost bootable CD

[FROMFLPY]

[FROMCD]

[COMMON]
LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS
FILES=40
BUFFERS=20
STACKS=9,256
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICEHIGH=USBASPI.SYS /v /w /e
DEVICEHIGH=DI1000DD.SYS
DEVICE = fwr\aspi1394.sys /int /all
I have the latest panasonic driver and Himem etc.
Floppy 2 disk set  created using the Easter egg method.

My USB system is....
Peripherals
Serial/Parallel Port(s) : 2 COM / 1 LPT
USB Controller/Hub : ALi PCI to USB Open Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Mass Storage Device
FireWire/1394 Controller/Hub : Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394

Host Controller
FireWire/1394 Controller/Hub : OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
PCMCIA/CardBus Controller : Texas Instruments PCI-1420 CardBus Controller
PCMCIA/CardBus Controller : Texas Instruments PCI-1420 CardBus Controller

00001C00 - 00001C1F : VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller
00001C20 - 00001C3F : VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller

Ali PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller
[HARDWARE IDS]
PCI\VEN_10B9&DEV_5239&UBSYS_523910B9&REV_01
PCI\VEN_10B9&DEV_5239&UBSYS_523910B9
PCI\VEN_10B9&DEV_5239&CC_0C0320
PCI\VEN_10B9&DEV_5239&CC_0C03

COMPATIBLE IDS
PCI\VEN_10B9&DEV_5239&REV_01
PCI\VEN_10B9&DEV_5239
PCI\VEN_10B9&CC_0C0320
PCI\VEN_10B9&CC_0C03
PCI\VEN_10B9
PCI\CC_0C0320
PCI\CC_0C03

mATCHING Device ID
pci\ven_10B9&DEV_5239&cc_0c03


USB MASS Storeage Device
USB\VID_04cf&PID_8818&REV_b007
USB\VID_04cf&PID_8818



The USB cable that connects the enclosure to a USB port has two

connectors on it so it can draw more power from the PC and I was

wondering if this is what wont allow the device to be seen.
It can be seen in DOS but only through my standard built in ports and

runs at 65 MB a minute.
Any help with this problem from someone would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your time and what a great info site!

wrote on Sep 28^th, 2005 at 7:13am:

"... I have created the 2 boot discs and copied the extra files, but where do I find the config.sys file?.."

My methodology for working on hidden files such as autoexec.bat and config.sys when contained on 3.5-inch floppies is to perform a Search/Find for '*.*'  restricted to Drive A: alone, which in turn reveals all the files therein.  While Autoexec.bat can be readily accessed with Edit inside the Search Window, config.sys is best opened with Notepad.

EP :'(

Is there anyway to be able to boot from a FireWire port?what i have is a 40GB ipod and a acer aspire laptop?

the ghost image would be about 12GB in full

that is why i wish to have it on my ipod

is there anyway to make a ghost image like that?

Would someone be able to email me with a response to that?

info@abyss.ws

thanks heaps

also there is no floppy drive on my laptop :(


how do i get around this, with a firewire for the ipod drive?

Abyss

First off--your hardware has to support what you are asking about--does the Acer Aspire laptop support booting from an external device through the Firewire port?

The laptop's documentation should answer that question--and the BIOS should also have that option as a boot sequence choice if it does.

*digs out the paper work for the manual from the deep dark depths of the cupboard and also checks the bios*


um does the words "removable devices" in the boot sequence of the bios suggest firewire?


i will look through the paper work while i wait for your response.

Abyss


Quote:

um does the words "removable devices" in the boot sequence of the bios suggest firewire?

It might--but I saw a post recently that indicated that was for enabling a *floppy drive* by one forum member who was trying to get his system to boot from a floppy drive!

its sucks :(


thanks for your help because i have given up

i made a boot disk with firewire support but it didnt work on my laptop, as i made the boot disk on another computer

so yeah somtehing about himem or some junk like that...

thanks for your help anyway...

Thanks guys - was having real problems - now able to create bootdisk on xp sp2 - it seems that the crucial step is to transfer himem.sys from 98se bootdisk download to the xp created bootdisk (mine worked on pc dos) - that's all i had to do and i am able to connect to my external hardrive by firewire - all using just one floppy!

Hi everyone,  my problem is similar and yet different to the USB issue here.

I have GHOST 2003 but no FLOPPY drive, so I would like to boot my PC from a USB device just like it was a floppy.

One more thing, I am using an ADAPTEC 1200A IDE RAID card and I need to make sure the driver is loaded so I can restore my image back to BOTH Drives?

Can anyone help me?

Thanks
Matt in Tulsa

Hey Thanks very much for this info, VERY USEFUL...

Hey i have an External DVD writter (also Dual Layer compatible) and it is in a USB 2.0 box enclosure.

How can i use Ghost 10 to do a complete backup of my entire computer onto a DVD (so i can make an exact clone of my computer on another computer).

Also does it work with NTFS?

Thanks.

Dumb question, does any of the info in this thread pertain to RESTORING a ghost image to an external USB drive.

In my case, I would like to be able to restore a ghost image file that's already on the laptop's internal harddrive to an external drive (connected via PCMCIA->USB2). Is this possible?

Thanks...

wrote on Mar 16^th, 2006 at 4:22pm:

Hey Thanks very much for this info, VERY USEFUL... Hey i have an External DVD writter (also Dual Layer compatible) and it is in a USB 2.0 box enclosure. How can i use Ghost 10 to do a complete backup of my entire computer onto a DVD (so i can make an exact clone of my computer on another computer)? Also does it work with NTFS? Thanks.

The first question that needs answering is do you have a full retail cd license for Windows XP or do you have an OEM license for a pc purchased by a vendor (Dell, HP, etc.)?

OEM licenses can not be transferred to another pc.  They are tied to the motherboard and bios as delivered by the vendor.

Assuming though you have a full retail cd license for XP (purchased in box at store), you will have to do a repair install after you move your hard drive (or a clone of it) to your new pc.  You will also have to activate it again with Microsoft.  (You can't have two activated at once).

Search for xp repair install with Google.

The cleanest approach with another computer is to install Windows XP from scratch onto freshly formatted hard drive.  Much less problems in the long run.  

I am hoping someone has come across this issue.

Purchased a USB 2.0 SATA/IDE Enclosure and a 320GB WD HD.  I am using Ghost 8.3.  I have created the Ghost Bootable CD with USB support.  On some machines the USB HD is recognized and I am able to Ghost onto it.  On other machines I can see the USB HD but it is grayed out from being selected and is not listed in the drive list box to Ghost to.

I created the boot disk with the Universal USB drivers and booted successfully with it.  However when I load Ghost and I go to select a drive to image it says there are no Source Drives.  The HD in the computer is not found, nor the USB HD.  The USB HD is recognized when booting up however.

I am booting with diskette using a USB Floppy Drive.

Are there any suggestions regarding this.  Any advice would be great.

Thank you in advance,

Scott Lippmann

ScottLippmann


Quote:

I am using Ghost 8.3.  I have created the Ghost Bootable CD with USB support.

That's the most recent Corporate build of Ghost, if I'm not mistaken--correct me if I'm wrong--but I thought USB external HDD's were supported without loading separate USB DOS drivers when using Ghost 8.3.

Do all your systems support 320 GB HDD's--older BIOS's can have limitations at about 137 GB and maybe around 180 GB's--try a 120 GB HDD on those systems that are not showing the external and see if that solves the problem.

It is the newest Coroporate build, you are correct.  It does indeed have USB drivers that you can use as well.  On the machines that the HD has worked on in Ghost eitherway worked fine.

On the machines that the USB HD won't work on from DOS none of the drivers seem to get it to work thus far.  Puzzling enough, per your statement regarding the size and BIOS, I have formatted a 6GB drive and placed it in the enclosure.  On the machines that the 320GB worked on it works.  On the machines that the 320GB wasn't working on the 6GB didn't work either, it stays greyed out in Ghost and I can't access it for use.

Scott Lippmann

ScottLippmann

Sounding more and more like the USB controller on that system is not compatible with the Ghost DOS USB driver(s).

The separate DOS USB driver that comes with the retail Ghost 2003 version shows limited compatibility--I don't know how much better the Ghost 8.3 built-in USB driver is.  But, you could try this third party USB DOS driver:  A Better USB 2.0 DOS Driver for Ghost + More!

You would have to start Ghost 8.3 with a switch to turn off its built in USB:

ghost.exe -nousb

And, you mention using a USB floppy disk--you may have to start the Panasonic USB DOS driver with a switch that prevents it from *resetting* all the USB devices when it loads:

Device=usbaspi.sys /e /v /norst

[quote author=NightOwl  link=1075994733/60#71 date=1155248082]"... Sounding more like the USB controller on that system is not compatible with the Ghost DOS USB driver(s)..."[/quote]
In light of your difficulties, I very much would like to see you reveal the USB host controller at issue (specs on the USB mass storage device controller would be lagniappe).  Here is an approach:

(1) go to Desktop and right click on My Computer;

(2) drop down to left click on Manage;

(3) in left pane, expand System Tools;

(4) in left pane, drop down to left click on Device Manager;

(5) for both USB controllers and mass storage devices in right pane, expand Universal Serial Bus controllers;

(6) for USB 2.0 controllers, focus on those lines containing either the abbreviation 'USB2' or the word 'Enhanced';
(7) right click on any such lines that drop down, then left click on Properties;

(8) left click on the Details tab;

(9) left click on the dropdown menu containing Device Instance Id; and

(10) left click on Hardware Ids and carefully transcribe the last two lines in the window. To be overly generous, drop down two more lines and repeat for Matching Device Id.

The image below reveals the functional USB 2.0 controller on the Macally PHR-100A enclosure (note that on my Dell Dimension 8300, I have three 'Enhanced' USB controllers listed - including the poisonous Intel 80281EB):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/PHR100AAs.jpg

For my Dell Dimension 8100 desktop PC, I had to purchase a PCI-to-USB2 host adapter card to gain USB 2.0 capability (the NEC-compliant USB adapters seem to be the most DOS-friendly).

EP

NightOwl,

 Yes the USB Floppy that i tried was the one that you are pointing me to.  As per my original post when I try it Ghost does not find any drives on the computer that it can use as source.  I can't figure out why it would not be able to see the main hard drive let alone the usb hd that the boot disk finds no problem when loading.

El_Pescador,

 I will check these out and post.

Thanks

ScottLippmann

Okay.... here's my USB Info.

Host Controller:

Intel 82801FB/FBM USB2
Hardware ID:
PCI/VEN_8086

External HD USB Hardware ID:

USB/VID_152d&Pid_2338&Rev_0100
USB/VID_152d&Pid_2338

That's the stuff.  I checked the USB controllers on the two laptops that the drive did work in Ghost on and they both had Standard USB controllers 1.1.  The two laptops that it won't work on have the above specs and are USB 2.0.

Thanks in advance,

ScottLippmann

[quote author=ScottLippmann  link=1075994733/60#74 date=1155309928]"... Host Controller:

Intel 82801FB/FBM USB2

Hardware ID:
PCI/VEN_8086..."[/quote]
[glb]VID=8086h PID=24DDh[/glb]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/El_Pescador/ByteccIVs.jpg

Quote:

"... The Intel(R) 82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller- 24DD on my Dell 8300 systemboard has been at the root of much grief and misery while testing USB 2.0 external enclosure kits in which I had mounted various internal HDDs.  Some brands of HDDs seemed more vulnerable than others, but the fault lay in the software of the host controller and not the device controller of the enclosure kits. If the dread codes scrolling across above are revealed in Device Manager, extreme discretion should be exercised in selecting USB 2.0 devices expected to function in DOS-based applications such as Ghost 2003.  Even NightOwl's Panasonic Universal USB Driver routine will fail with certain USB HDD enclosures.  Most disturbing to me was the failure of the Partition Magic 8.0 DOS Disaster Recovery boot disks to recognize two different external HDDs linked with the Intel host controller..."

For Norton Ghost 2003, I suspect that NightOwl's Panasonic Universal USB Driver routine would serve as your only alternative.  Anywhere Ghost has to either: (1) function totally in DOS using boot diskettes or CD/DVDs; or (2) transition from "Windows-to-DOS-to-Windows", the Intel 82801-series host controller seems to prove troublesome.

EP :'(

Thanks,

 As per my original post i have already tried the Panasonic boot disk.

I was hoping someone would shed light as to why Ghost couldn't see any internal drivers either when booting from it.

Scott

ScottLippmann wrote on Aug 10^th, 2006 at 2:09pm:

"... I am booting with diskette using a USB Floppy Drive..."

Hmm - booting from an external floppy drive may not be kosher under all circumstances.

EP :'(

Yeah... yet another obstacle.  I'm going to create a bootable CD using the Universal USB Floppy and give it another go.  After that i think the next and only step is going to be a letter to intel. I'm sure they will jump on getting a driver right away.  ;)

I guess the downside to all this is that the company i work for, 95% of all the machines are newer IBMS and HPs and it seems that they all have that 82801 device.

I'll post my results with the bootable CD.

Thanks Again.

Scott

:( :( :(
Hi...
I have a latitude/dell without floppy disk, and I dont have option to boot from a usb device...I think my problem is bigger...
I have 3 partition in my hdd...c:\win98 d:\winxp e:\backup
I copied all the files from the norton ghost floppy disk to win98 partition, and it  doesnt work....
Please can anybody help me....please
Thanks

MAVB

Creating Bootable CD/DVD's Without A:\Floppy Drive

Adding USB to Ghost Boot CD

Summary of adding USB support and DOS PartitionMagic to Bootable CD--see reply #6

Great work guys!

I've read through most info provided but wasn't able to put my finger on what speeds one would expect using the USB 2 setup.

I've been fooling around with Ghost for quite few years now  and haven't ever been able to come up with a satisfactory USB, firewire or ethernet interface.  They all seem to max out at around 30 Megabytes per MINUTE, when processing .CAB files, which can't be compressed.  

My last attempt was recently after I had purchased a  new notebook which had only USB2, firewire and ethernet.   Based on my experiences with USB using the Panasonic drivers 2 years ago 20-30mB/minute, I figured I'd  give the ethernet a shot this time using the p2p config.

I found the process took 7.5 hours to backup 8GB of data to a highly compressed 6GB Ghost image, over a 100mbs ethernet connection.  

I'm curious, are the rest of you seeing speeds in this range? ???

I took the same drive out of the notebook and imaged it over an IDE connection and I was finished in less than an hour, and that included t he time it took to R&R the hard drive.

Scruge

Your speed looks a little slow--my system max's out at between 400-500 MB/min--I've seen reports of up to 700-800 MB/min.