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Message started by henriette on Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:06pm

Title: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:06pm
Hiya  :)

[Couldn't seem to find where to post this - webmaster may take care of that, please]

After reading threads (see end of this post) for days I ended up confused, to say the least  :D

My present PC:
board: ASUS A7N8X-X, nforce2-400
http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_A/A7N8XX/#overview

CPU: AMD Athlon XP Barton 2600+ (runs at 1.9GHz)
O/S: XP professional 32bit
---> E-IDE/PATA only. Not ready for Windows 7.

I would love to stick with XP & my beloved Ghost 2003, also after 2014 (end of support).
No matter what, I'll keep my XP-PC with Ghost 2003 separately for good.

One of the hardest things for me is to "let go" of Ghost 2003:
NightOwl invested AGES to teach me & made me finally have *command* over Ghost 2003.

NOW:

A friend {in very bad health, so no idea if that *project* is ever going to happen} will try to help me build a new computer + install Windows 7 Professional 64bit (+ real XP mode!), so I can keep most of my software. EXCEPT Ghost 2003, which is too complicated for me to handle on Windows 7 - according to what I read on here.

That means: Win 7 only, NO dual boot. NO XP.

My friend will do the formatting & partitioning the HDDs (new ones) NTFS [NOT on XP!].

I will have to buy a case, power supply, RAM, + other stuff.

Got already (stored):

2 HDD (Seagate 400GB >>> paid $150,- for each - believe it or not!) = E-IDE/PATA.
2 optical drives (E-IDE/PATA), floppy drive, board *ASRock ALiveNF6G-GLAN*
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.de.asp?Model=ALiveNF6G-GLAN

Board has both E-IDE/PATA and SATA, not so my hardware.

CPU: *AMD Phenom X4 Black Edition (64), 2.6GHz True Quad-core*

My question > NightOwl  ?  ;) :

Is there a RELIABLE, EASY TO USE backup software for Win 7 you would recommend ? Possibly to use in DOS - is safer IMHO. A few bucks won't hurt after having spent a fortune on the other gear. 

As a matter of fact, I received Ghost 10 with Ghost 2003 - as a set. Ghost 10 with a manual which to read (and most of all to understand!!!) I doubt that I'd live to see that day. As I take from the board here, Ghost 10 + wind 7 is not recommendable (bugs) ??  (see link below).

LINKS (examples!):

"need confirmation - Ghost 2003 + Win 7:
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1313846251

Ghost 2003 and 4kB sector size:
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1327528620

Ghost + Windows 7 questions!:
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1257809610/30#30

----> NightOwl's reply #44

Why Ghost 10?:
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1134667885

---> reply #3 (Brian) "Ghost 10 has bugs!

Win7's SRP (System Reserved Partition) and Ghost 2003:
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1321767917

>>> thought SRP = System Restore Point ? Before I create an image (XP) I delete all (except the latest) SRPs using CCleaner.

+ of course:
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1265924057

I haven't THE SLIGHTEST idea about Win7 ...

henriette  :-[


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 8th, 2012 at 3:38pm
@ henriette

Just some quick comments to get this under way.


henriette wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
CPU: AMD Athlon XP Barton 2600+ (runs at 1.9GHz)
O/S: XP professional 32bit
---> E-IDE/PATA only. Not ready for Windows 7.


I have Win7 on a computer much slower than yours. It runs fine.


henriette wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
Is there a RELIABLE, EASY TO USE backup software for Win 7 you would recommend ? Possibly to use in DOS - is safer IMHO.


Have a look at Image for DOS. It can run from a floppy, CD or USBFD.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads-image-for-dos.htm

There is a 30 day free trial and I suggest using the GUI version as it is a little easier to use than the CUI version.


henriette wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
My friend will do the formatting & partitioning the HDDs (new ones)


Make sure you install Win7 into a partition rather than into unallocated space. That way you avoid getting a 100 MB System Reserved Partition and your booting files will be inside the Win7 partition.


henriette wrote on Jul 8th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
I haven't THE SLIGHTEST idea about Win7 ...


Using it will be easier than you expected.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:46am
@ Brian


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I have Win7 on a computer much slower than yours. It runs fine.

Can't remember all the reasons. Just the fact that my machine won't meet the requirements !!! ... and the CPU won't allow "XP mode" - yeah, that was the point!

Being able to have "real XP mode" is the most important *thing* about win7 for me!!!
The "new" board (still old) w/*AMD Phenom X4 Black Edition (64), True Quad Core* can do it.

Apart from that I really want to keep XP (as only O/S) on this computer, and this PC will be kept separately for good ;)
... as I said: IF the other win7 *project* will see the light. I can't rely in the least on that guy/friend.


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Have a look at Image for DOS. It can run from a floppy, CD or USBFD.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads-image-for-dos.htm


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I suggest using the GUI version as it is a little easier to use than the CUI version

---> GUI is without commands, right ?
Yes, reads excellent! Going to buy that one. Will wait for awhile, though ...

Just a question aside:
If ever I would decide to uninstall Ghost 2003 from my present computer, I needed a 100% clean uninstall [meaning also all registry keys *connected* with Ghost].
Some years ago Symantec support (online) sent me several (!) versions of Ghost cleaner (or what it's called).
So which one am I to take ?

AFTER that: could I use "terabyteunlimited for Dos" instead (because easier to handle) ?
(think the ~ 90 images created with Ghost would be *for the bin*, eh?
Naaaa, in that case I'd better stick with Ghost 2003 on XP ;)


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Make sure you install Win7 into a partition rather than into unallocated space. That way you avoid getting a 100 MB System Reserved Partition and your booting files will be inside the Win7 partition.

That *100 MB System Reserved Partition* is a real pain, most of all because I don't understand it   :-/

I've read & read & read, to no real understanding what its all about.

Will there still be any problems/workarounds with win7 regarding an image+restore+boot, when using terabytes backup software ?

henriette

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:53am
@ henriette


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A friend {in very bad health, so no idea if that *project* is ever going to happen}

Well, several of the regulars here have built their own systems over the years--we can probably help you do it on your own, with on-line web *how to's*, etc. if need be.  Also, many of the new user manuals that come with motherboards are pretty good at showing the steps and have pictures to help as well.


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so I can keep most of my software. EXCEPT Ghost 2003, which is too complicated for me to handle on Windows 7 - according to what I read on here.

Ghost 2003 works just fine on systems with Win7!!!!  There are some steps involved to make using Ghost 2003 (or any imaging program for that matter) *easier*--but, those steps are not as hard as you think from reading some of the posts here--things are always harder looking than when you actually sit down and do them!

Ghost 2003 was developed in the WinXP era--before Win Vista was released.  Microsoft changed the way Windows boots with the release of Win Vista and Ghost 2003 doesn't understand that.  But, you can work around that with Ghost 2003, if you know what's needed--and you can change how you install Windows to make it even easier--and you can change the Windows boot sequence so it acts just like old WinXP--that makes things even easier yet!


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Is there a RELIABLE, EASY TO USE backup software for Win 7 you would recommend ? Possibly to use in DOS - is safer IMHO. A few bucks won't hurt after having spent a fortune on the other gear.

Brian has already suggested one of the most common, widely used alternate to Ghost for the consumer.  He has already mentioned that making some of the changes to the *standard* install of Win7 to make even that imaging program *easier* to use.

I'll comment on the other items later, have to run for now.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 10th, 2012 at 4:14pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:46am:
GUI is without commands, right ?


CUI = Character User Interface (the black/blue screen shots)
GUI = Graphical User Interface (the graphical screen shots)

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-dos-ss.htm

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 11th, 2012 at 11:53am
@ henriette


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>>> thought SRP = System Restore Point ? Before I create an image (XP) I delete all (except the latest) SRPs using CCleaner.

As you have figured out--SRP is not equal to *System Restore Point*--it's the *System Reserved Partition*.


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That *100 MB System Reserved Partition* is a real pain, most of all because I don't understand it   

I've read & read & read, to no real understanding what its all about.

Yes, it's a *pain*--mostly because it has no meaning or use to the average user (I'll explain that in a minute)!  But, don't let it *throw you*--it's really fairly simple once you get the reasons why it exists.

The SRP is simply a *partition*--it is used by Win7 (started with Vista--but, I think you had to create it manually for Vista--was not created by default until Win7).

It's the *boot partition*.  Why do we need a *boot partition* you ask?  *We* don't!!!!!   Beginning with Win Vista, Microsoft began offering a whole drive encryption program called *BitLocker* -- but, that program option only comes if you purchased the Ultimate or Enterprise editions of Windows--which very few average Windows consumers purchase--it does not come with the *Pro* versions of Windows.  But, Microsoft set up the installation program to create that partition for *everyone* even though it has no use, again, to the average user.


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In order for BitLocker to operate, the hard disk requires at least two NTFS-formatted volumes: one for the operating system (usually C:) and another with a minimum size of 100 MB[13] from which the operating system boots. BitLocker requires the boot volume to remain unencrypted—on Windows Vista this volume must be assigned a drive letter, while on Windows 7 that is not required.
 

So why the *boot partition* for the users of *BitLocker*?  Because, you can not boot a system from an *encrypted* drive--there has to be at least one partition that is unencrypted for the system to begin the boot process--i.e. has the initial boot files.  Once the user enters their password into the initial unencrypted boot sequence, then the system continues on to the encrypted OS partition.

The other *feature* of the new boot files--they are, by default, locked to a specific HDD and partition that has an identification tag associated with it.  That's where older imaging programs begin to have problems.  When they restore an image--that ID for the HDD is erased and a new one is created--and that means the partition ID number is no longer that same--because it's based on the HDD ID number.  So the boot files will not find the correct HDD and partition--and you will have a boot failure.  This can be *fixed* by using the Windows installation CD and running a *boot repair* sequence.

But, the two above issues can be *by-passed*!  If you install Win7 onto HDD that has already been partitioned--using an appropriate sequence, you can avoid having the installation program create that SRP.  (When you have the SRP that contains the boot files, and a separate OS partition--then the OS partition depends on the presence of the SRP in order to boot--even if you are not using encryption--so you have to back up both partitions--and if needed, restore both partitions if installing a new HDD--you can't just backup and restore the OS partition by itself (you can if you are restoring to the same HDD and there has been no changes to the HDD ID--if that changes (by having the old imaging program zeroing the disk ID--which is what Ghost 2003 does by default), then you will have a boot failure--again, you can *fix* that problem!

And the second problem of having the boot files *locked* to a specific HDD ID--you can do what's called *generalizing* the boot files so they no longer look for that specific HDD ID--but instead just look for the *device*--i.e. the HDD that is to be booted from based on the BIOS settings.

So, if you do the above two changes--Win7 will now act like your current WinXP acts as far as Ghost 2003 is concerned.  You can backup and restore your OS to present or replacement HDDs, and it should boot without any issues.  And, you do not have to jump through any new *hoops* or add any special settings to how you run Ghost 2003.

Making the above two changes requires jumping through some *hoops* that are not the *default* setup for installing Win7--but they are not that hard to do--just have to follow the sequence of steps in an outline.  They are easier to do when setting up and installing a new Win7 installation--harder to do if you allow the installation program to install Win7 using the default installation process first, and then trying to *fix* it!

I haven't gone into the details of how to make the above fixes--that can wait until you actually need to jump through those *hoops*!

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 15th, 2012 at 9:15am
@ Brian

Quote:
Make sure you install Win7 into a partition rather than into unallocated space. That way you avoid getting a 100 MB System Reserved Partition and your booting files will be inside the Win7 partition

Yes, and I will be installing "Windows 7 professional 64 bit"

Also will purchase:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-dos-ss.htm
and install it on Win 7. Using the GUI version, run from floppy or CD (will see).

Will NEED *XP mode* :P


Quote:
CUI = Character User Interface (the black/blue screen shots)
GUI = Graphical User Interface (the graphical screen shots)

Thanks very much for explaining  ;)

@ NightOwl

Quote:
a whole drive encryption program called *BitLocker*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitLocker_Drive_Encryption ...
it does not come with the *Pro* versions of Windows.

Fine, I have the pro version. So I don't have to care about that *BitLocker*, right ?
[Thanks, btw, can read the wiki-link in German ;)].


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But, Microsoft set up the installation program to create that partition for *everyone* even though it has no use, again, to the average user.

??? > "*quote 1* + *quote 2* above = contradiction in terms ???
You said it does NOT come with Wind 7 pro :-?


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The other *feature* of the new boot files ... | But, the two :-? > only 1 left for me < :-? ... above issues can be *by-passed*!  If you install Win7 onto HDD that has already been partitioned--using an appropriate sequence, you can avoid having the installation program create that SRP.  (When you have the SRP that contains the boot files, and a separate OS partition--then the OS partition depends on the presence of the SRP in order to boot--even if you are not using encryption--so you have to back up both partitions--and if needed, restore both partitions if installing a new HDD--you can't just backup and restore the OS partition by itself (you can if you are restoring to the same HDD and there has been no changes to the HDD ID--if that changes (by having the old imaging program zeroing the disk ID--which is what Ghost 2003 does by default), then you will have a boot failure--again, you can *fix* that problem!

myomyomy!  :P

And the second problem of having the boot files *locked* to a specific HDD ID--you can do what's called *generalizing* the boot files so they no longer look for that specific HDD ID--but instead just look for the *device*--i.e. the HDD that is to be booted from based on the BIOS settings.

So, if you do the above two changes--Win7 will now act like your current WinXP acts as far as Ghost 2003 is concerned.  You can backup and restore your OS to present or replacement HDDs, and it should boot without any issues.  And, you do not have to jump through any new *hoops* or add any special settings to how you run Ghost 2003.

Making the above two changes requires jumping through some *hoops* that are not the *default* setup for installing Win7--but they are not that hard to do--just have to follow the sequence of steps in an outline.  They are easier to do when setting up and installing a new Win7 installation--harder to do if you allow the installation program to install Win7 using the default installation process first, and then trying to *fix* it!

I haven't gone into the details of how to make the above fixes--that can wait until you actually need to jump through those *hoops*!

Yeah, let's wait & *talk it over* when I'm *ready* - still at least 1 year to go!  ;) ... I'll start with the hardware stuff when time.

The hardest thing for me will be installing Win7 & all its  tweaks (which I did right after installing XP pro)
+ how to *get* the *virtual XP mode* done etc.  ::)

FYI: Hardware I got so far:
° midi tower
° power supply (450W)
° board *ASRockAlive...* (manual see attachment) ---> one 133 for 2 IDE only + floppy drive! Others SATA! < will be problem  :-/
° CPU *AMD Phenom X4 Black Edition (64), True Quad Core*
° RAM (4GB corsair)
° HDDs internal, E-IDE/PATA only!  :P
° floppy drive
° CD OR! DVD optical drive SATA (searching basement what's what, when time!)
° CD/DVD optical drive PATA
Need Graca - have only VGA Radeon HD 3450 (spare) !!! = board probs! [I don't need a high end graphiccard, a simple one will do].

... got DVD *Windows 7 professional 64bit (+32bit > *unreliable guy* {mind: we had arranged a meeting yesterday, he didn't show up} recommended 64bit).

Going to buy:
° malwarebytes backup software

Will see whatelse I'll need. No more $$ for the time being.

henriette *take yer time & think twice before acting ... and most of all: DIY!*


http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=ASRockALiveNF6G-GLAN_Specifications.txt (1 KB | 297 )

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 15th, 2012 at 9:34am
2nd part ASRock board specs attached!

henriette  :-*
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=ASRockALiveNF6G-GLAN_Specs__2_.txt (1 KB | 306 )

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 16th, 2012 at 9:59am
@ henriette


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Yeah, let's wait & *talk it over* when I'm *ready* - still at least 1 year to go!   ... I'll start with the hardware stuff when time.

FYI: Hardware I got so far:° midi tower
° power supply (450W)
° board *ASRockAlive...* (manual see attachment) ---> one 133 for 2 IDE only + floppy drive! Others SATA!< will be problem 
° CPU *AMD Phenom X4 Black Edition (64), True Quad Core*
° RAM (4GB corsair)
° HDDs internal, E-IDE/PATA only! 
° floppy drive
° CD OR! DVD optical drive SATA (searching basement what's what, when time!)
° CD/DVD optical drive PATA

Why are you waiting a year before setting up a new system?  Sure looks like you have everything you need--except a keyboard and mouse--those can be real cheap to buy--and maybe a monitor--but you could share that fairly easily with your WinXP system!

Did a quick search and found the following:

Is this your motherboard?

ALiveNF6G-GLAN

This shows a pretty good outline of setting up the motherboard:  ALiveNF6G-GLAN User Manual

But, the User Manual doesn't say much about appling the thermal paste to the CPU before mounting the heat sink/fan--so here's the recommended method for Artic Silver--the *dot method*:

Application methods for applying thermal compound to AMD® CPU

Middle Dot Method




According to the specifications, your motherboard has a built-in graphics chip--so unless you're a big time *gamer* or someone with high powered graphics needs--you don't really need a separate graphics card--if you have a monitor that requires digital input only, then you might have a problem--your motherboard has analog only output.  You can add a graphics card and manually configure your motherboard to keep the built-in graphics output on so you can have dual monitors--if that's needed.

Also, there's a built-in audio chip--so no need for a sound card--unless you require high end audio output.

The motherboard is very *DOS* friendly--it has both PS/2 mouse and keyboard input jacks--so you don't have to use USB mouse and keyboard--DOS will recognize the PS/2 devices without any problems.  Also, there is a *parallel printer port*--that will probably allow you to use the *Print Screen* key when booted to DOS--to print out what's on the screen at the moment.  On most of my systems, it allows me to use *Print Screen* key when I'm in the BIOS setup utility (that's before any OS is loaded by the system).  So, I can get a hard copy of the BIOS settings if need be.  Of cource you need a printer that uses parallel printer port input--and not USB input.


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... got DVD *Windows 7 professional 64bit (+32bit > *unreliable guy* {mind: we had arranged a meeting yesterday, he didn't show up} recommended 64bit).

The main reason to go *64 bit* is to use larger amounts of RAM--you can use more than other parts of the system will support, in theory at least (Theoretically: 16.8 million terabytes!)--the OS will not support as much as the 64 bit option offers--and the CPU probably can not address the potential!  64 bit also potentially can address *huge* HDDs--but those are still in the future as far as the everyday user is concerned.

So, 64 bit *is the future!*--but the down side will be that any 32 bit programs will be *emulated* on a 64 bit system--so could see a performance decrease and/or not compatible and will not run at all--so some software will not work unless newer versions that are 64 bit programs!

Running out of space, so see next post........


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:13am
@ henriette

So, a continuation of the last post:

Quoting from the  Windows Vista editions--re:  64 bit :  (I know--it's not the Win7 entry!)


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64-bit versions

To support 64-bit platforms such as Intel Xeon, Intel Core 2, AMD Opteron and AMD Athlon 64, Microsoft released 64-bit versions of every edition of Windows Vista except for the Starter edition. These editions can run 32-bit programs by running them within the WOW64 subsystem. Most 32-bit programs can run natively, though applications that rely on device drivers will not run unless those device drivers have been written for 64-bit Windows. Most older hardware doesn't have the necessary support to get the drivers written.[22][23][24]

Other applications may have difficulty as well. For example, the Visual Basic 6 IDE will run natively on 32-bit editions, but will not run at all on 64-bit editions.[25] Some application vendors will only provide full / premium product versions for 64-bit Vista and cut down versions for 32-bit Vista (e.g. Adobe Premier Elements is 32-bit and the full Adobe Premier is available for 64-bit Vista - with more capability but at a much higher price).

Various reviewers have reported that the 64-bit editions of Windows Vista outperform their 32-bit counterparts in synthetic benchmarks such as PassMark.[26][27][28] For example, in early testing of 64-bit support in Photoshop for Windows, overall performance gains ranged from 8% to 12%. Those who work with extremely large files may realize noticeably greater gains in performance, in some cases as dramatic as ten times the previous speed. This is because 64-bit applications can address larger amounts of memory and thus result in less file swapping — one of the biggest factors that can affect data processing speed.[29]

All 64-bit versions of Microsoft operating systems currently impose a 16 TB limit on address space. Processes created on the 64-bit editions of Windows Vista can have 8 TB in virtual memory for user processes and 8 TB for kernel processes to create a virtual memory of 16 TB.[30] In terms of physical memory Windows Vista 64-Bit Basic supports up to 8 GB of RAM, Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium supports up to 16 GB of RAM, and Windows Vista 64-Bit Business/Enterprise/Ultimate supports up to 128 GB of RAM.[8]


Gives you some idea of the pluses and minuses of 64 bit.

With 32 bit, you can access only approximately 3.5 GB of RAM.  You are only going to gain, with your 4 GB of RAM--about 0.5 GB of usable RAM by using the 64 bit version of Win7.  So unless you plan on adding more RAM (this would allow you to work with larger files that can be loaded into RAM--I suspect, unless you are doing video or photo editing, CAD design programs, huge spread sheets, etc., you probably will not actually need those large amounts of RAM! 

So, it's a tough decision--64 or 32 bit--I think I will stay with 32 bit for now, until I run into a *must have* feature or program that *requires* 64 bit--so I will have to be *pushed*  ;) !


Quote:
Going to buy:
° malwarebytes backup software

Not familiar with that--links?




Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 17th, 2012 at 8:58am
@ NightOwl

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Why are you waiting a year before setting up a new system? ... looks like you have everything you need ... you could share that fairly easily with your WinXP system!

No way!

a) I told you that I'll keep my present PC [DONALD] separate from the new one.

b) Been up since 5a.m. searching for (examples!):

Chipset driver update, BIOS update for CPU++ (latest from 2009), graphiccard (need digital input) - graca w/low power consumption - VGA PCIe 1.0, Driver for graca {read that ATI Radeon not recommended 'cause onboard would be NVIDIA ... I always had ATI & if possible will stick with ATI}, aso. aso. - EXCEPT BIOS upd nothing yet!


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You can add a graphics card and manually configure your motherboard to keep the built-in graphics output on so you can have dual monitors--if that's needed.

I wouldn't think so.

Yes, my board is:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/ALiveNF6G-GLAN/
sorry forgot to mention.

The board is said to support win7, although not in the manual, I hope it will! --> there is also the matter to which version of BIOS updating ? And what Chipset driver version available ???


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The motherboard is very *DOS* friendly hehehehe... there is a *parallel printer port*--that will probably allow you to use the *Print Screen* key when booted to DOS--to print out what's on the screen at the moment.  On most of my systems, it allows me to use *Print Screen* key when I'm in the BIOS setup utility (that's before any OS is loaded by the system).  So, I can get a hard copy of the BIOS settings if need be.  Of cource you need a printer that uses parallel printer port input--and not USB input.

Do you mean printer connected to parallel port ?

Got it like that for ages. Don't use the usb ports for printer.
BUT: (sorry, don't know manual by heart) > will this be possible with new board ?
I also need more free usb ports for external HDDs (only connected for backups).

You might not have considered:
I told in my last post that I have:
2x internal HDDs (Seagate, 400GB) E-IDE/PATA plus
1x audiophile! CD burner (optical drive) E-IDE/PATA
1x DVD burner (optical drive) E-IDE/PATA
1x floppy drive E-IDE/PATA.

Now: that won't work with my new board. It can hold 2 E-IDE/PATA + floppy drive. Then I would be lost with my HDDs  :(

I thought I might find any kind of adapter > PATA|SATA - what do you think ? That would save my A$$  ;D
BUT! I read about those adapters & its bad quality/compatibility
etc. - maybe you have an idea or link ?

SOUND:
Got ° USB Sound System. No soundcard needed.

AND: I'm not willing to use any onboard crap!!

keyboard, mouse & monitor > got *in stock*, no problem there.
Both PS/2.

note *in between*: I am waiting for TIME & $$ + for email reply from ASRock support. Hoping for some links :P


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appling the thermal paste to the CPU

THAT is definitely my least problem, do it every 6 months at least  ;) ---> Arctic silver middle dot.
Thanks for reminding, anyway  :-*

note #2 *in between*: I do know this & that, where some other users may have probs. Instead - there's a great deal of HowTo's I have no idea, which 'everyday' users are familiar with  :P

In other words: I'm grateful for each & every *hint* you can give me  :-*

Can't seem to find out (manual) where to plug (PCI slot) network LAN card.

Windows 7:

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The main reason to go *64 bit* is to use larger amounts of RAM

The *guy* told me it was also for better drivers.


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the CPU probably can not address the potential!

Talking specifically about my *AMD Phenom X4 (64) BE True QuadCore|2,6GHz|socket AM2+|4MB total L2+L3 cache|model HD995ZXAGHBOX = 9950* ???


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64 bit also potentially can address *huge* HDDs--but those are still in the future as far as the everyday user is concerned.

I don't & won't have *huge* HDDs.

The *guy* need 'em for XXXXXXXXX movies & all stuff he can get hold of.  ::)


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so some software will not work (64) ... not compatible and will not run at all

:o I need my *old* software!!!!!!

{read vista 64bit link - naaaaaaaaa!!!!! That's definitely not what I want}

BUT: What about the *virtual XP mode* in wind 7 pro 32bit* ???

----> let's forget about 64bit, we're gonna talk about 32bit from now on, ok  :)

I told you that I also have *Windows 7 professional 32bit DVD*

note #3: hope the Wind 7 pro DVDs will work! Got S/N.

However, I'll need a step-by-step install guide (what when!).
Wrote a *documentation* myself for XP  ;D


Quote:
With 32 bit, you can access only approximately 3.5 GB of RAM. You are only going to gain, with your 4 GB of RAM--about 0.5 GB of usable RAM by using the 64 bit version of Win7.  So unless you plan on adding more RAM (this would allow you to work with larger files that can be loaded into RAM--I suspect,So unless you plan on adding more RAM (this would allow you to work with larger files that can be loaded into RAM--I suspect, unless you are doing video or photo editing, CAD design programs, huge spread sheets, etc., you probably will not actually need those large amounts of RAM!


Corsair forum wrote:"Two equal *VS4GBKIT800D2* are not supported or suggested. The use of 2 kits have not been tested together. There is no way to tell if any of 2 kits will run together ...

No CAD,photo etc.!


Quote:
Going to buy:
° malwarebytes backup software
Not familiar with that--links?

Yes, waiting for pennies from heaven, though  ;D

That's another point why it has to wait -- for quite some time.
Gotta pay my rent +++++!

henriette  *case not unpacked, yet*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 17th, 2012 at 12:23pm
@ henriette

Just a couple quick comments--I don't have more time this morning--but, I'll come back later with other comments on the other points of your post:


Quote:
@NightOwl
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Why are you waiting a year before setting up a new system? ... looks like you have everything you need ... you could share that fairly easily with your WinXP system!

No way!

a) I told you that I'll keep my present PC [DONALD] separate from the new one.

Just to be clear--we're talking about the *monitor* here--there's no system interaction between the two systems!  You unplug the monitor hooked up to the WinXP system, move it if needed to where the Win7 system is sitting, plug it in to the graphic's port of the Win7 system, use it until you're done on that system, then unplug and move it back to the other system!  *Sharing* doesn't mean the two systems access the same monitor at the same time in this case!  You will not have both systems up and running at the same time!


Quote:
b) Been up since 5a.m. searching for (examples!):

Chipset driver update, BIOS update for CPU++ (latest from 2009), graphiccard (need digital input) - graca w/low power consumption - VGA PCIe 1.0, Driver for graca {read that ATI Radeon not recommended 'cause onboard would be NVIDIA ... I always had ATI & if possible will stick with ATI}, aso. aso. - EXCEPT BIOS upd nothing yet!

Sometimes I have no idea what you have just said  ;D --*aso. aso. - EXCEPT BIOS upd nothing yet*--I'm sure this means (meant?) something to you--but I'm lost for what you're trying to tell us here!

Had to do some searching--finally figured out that *graca* is slang for *graphics card*!


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graphiccard (need digital input)

So, you already have a monitor that can only use digital input?


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VGA PCIe 1.0

I assume you are talking about PCIe v1.x vs v2.x vs 3.x--and not the *x1* slot vs the *x16* slot?

If you're talking about an *x1* card, that might not be the *best* option for an add-on graphics card--2.4 Expansion Slots (PCI and PCI Express Slots)

Read here:  What kind of expansion slot should you use for your video card?

Unfortunately, your user manual does not specifically say whether your PCIe slots are v2.x or v1.x!  Based on this thread, you probably have PCIe v1.x:  What pcie slot version i have? (Chipset:NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430) .  It talks about how to run software to determine what you have--but the system has to be up and running for this!





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b) Been up since 5a.m. searching for (examples!):

You might want to get a small brown paper bag, crumple up the opening, and hold it to your mouth--breath in and out slowly   ;D  --(just kidding  ;) !)  But, you often times sound like you're *hyperventilating* over things that you have not even began to do!  Sit back and relax--you can hook everything up, install Win7,.--you can set your system up *as is* and it will probably run without any additional intervention on your part.  And then, as time permits--do updates and upgrades--add various add-on cards, tweak the Win7 OS, etc., etc!

More to come later.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 21st, 2012 at 10:18am
@ NightOwl

Correction first:

Quote:
Going to buy: malwarebytes backup software

wrong, must be *terabyteunlimited*  ::)

henriette wrote:

Quote:
a) I told you that I'll keep my present PC [DONALD] separate from the new one.



Quote:
we're talking about the *monitor* here--there's no system interaction between the two systems!  You unplug the monitor hooked up to the WinXP system, move it if needed to where the Win7 system is sitting, plug it in to the graphic's port of the Win7 system, use it until you're done on that system, then unplug and move it back to the other system!  *Sharing* doesn't mean the two systems access the same monitor at the same time in this case!  You will not have both systems up and running at the same time!

That's pretty clear, yes. If I had the space in my small room, I'd put up my 2nd monitor.

My apologies for my poor language:

Quote:
Sometimes I have no idea what you have just said   --*aso. aso. - EXCEPT BIOS upd nothing yet*--I'm sure this means (meant?) something to you--but I'm lost for what you're trying to tell us here!

Had to do some searching--finally figured out that *graca* is slang for *graphics card*!

Explanation:
*graca* = graphic card
*aso* = and so on
*Except BIOS upd nothing yet* = I did not make it to download more than a BIOS update from ASRock homepage, yet.
..................................      ;D     .....................................................


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So, you already have a monitor that can only use digital input?

Not only > I use only the digital input. No analog cable is being connected. There's no need if I have a graphic card with digital output.


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I assume you are talking about PCIe v1.x vs v2.x vs 3.x--and not the *x1* slot vs the *x16* slot?

Well, well ... I received an email reply from ASRock support (my board). I will try to translate it into English - which isn't all that easy, since the guy who wrote it is from the Netherlands, trying his *best* German, including lingual mistakes that even I had problems to understand  ;D
So here we go:
"The board has a connection for IDE drives where you can connect master/slave = 2 drives.
The IDE cable has 3 connections: 1 for the board and 2 for the drives assuming he's talking about the CD+DVD drives here - and I would think that the floppy drive will be connected by the power supply, as well..
There's no new version of chipset. You can only update the BIOS I downloaded version 1.80, latest.
For the board you can only use PCI Express graphic cards - take older one - board has *PCI Express version 1.0*"

Useless to say that I wasn't able to find any graphic card PCIE 1.0 (x16) | DirectX 9.0 (!!)

It's high time to give you the url of the board manual (English.pdf):

http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/ALiveNF6G-GLAN/?cat=Manual
---> just click > pdf will open. You may want to save it for later discussions.

There you'll find all infos available of board! Also see page 16 > expansion slots!
(Only available in English). Will have to print it, cause the *board manual* (multiligual) is just a quick install guide.

But, oh, I don't have any CD with the board!
IMO that would mean to download all I can get hold of (chipset, drivers .........) from the homepage. Correct ?

GERMAN boards (I don't trust them!) try to convince me to take Windows 7 64bit instead 32bit.
I read a lot about the *XP mode* and how to's. Not sure, though, if, when installing 64bit - XPmode will be 32bit.
Noone seems to be sure about that.

That's why I mention it here again. I rememeber well that you recommended me to install Win 7, 32bit.


Quote:
You might want to get a small brown paper bag, crumple up the opening, and hold it to your mouth--breath in and out slowly     --(just kidding   !)  But, you often times sound like you're *hyperventilating* over things that you have not even began to do!  Sit back and relax--you can hook everything up, install Win7,.--you can set your system up *as is* and it will probably run without any additional intervention on your part.  And then, as time permits--do updates and upgrades--add various add-on cards, tweak the Win7 OS, etc., etc!


;D ;D ;D You're quite right, provided that I DO already have all hardware stuff!
I still need a graphic card, a LAN card, cooler/fan for CPU [must fit into midi tower!]
http://www.thermalright.com/products/index.php?act=data&cat_id=38&id=178

My midi Tower:
http://www.xigmatek.com/product.php?productid=154

... and the confirmation that I definitely don't need any adapter for my E-IDE gear
> 2x HDD, 2x optical drive + 1x floppy drive (all E-IDE/PATA!).

henriette  :)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 21st, 2012 at 11:37am
@ henriette


Quote:
Well, well ... I received an email reply from ASRock support (my board). I will try to translate it into English - which isn't all that easy, since the guy who wrote it is from the Netherlands, trying his *best* German, including lingual mistakes that even I had problems to understand

Made me laugh  ;D !


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Not only > I use only the digital input. No analog cable is being connected. There's no need if I have a graphic card with digital output.

I understand--but, you said you were limited by spending more $ on hardware and software for now--you have a motherboard that has a built in Graphics Chip, but it has only an analog output--so you do not have to buy a Digital Output Graphics card for now (although, you can probably get a good one for around $50.00 USD)--that could be a future upgrade.  If your current monitor will accept an analog connection--an analog cord is probably *cheap*!

In the past, I have tried both analog and digital outputs on the same system--honestly, I could not see a difference in quality or rendering speed.  Maybe there are some circumstances where one can see a difference--I couldn't!


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For the board you can only use PCI Express graphic cards - take older one - board has *PCI Express version 1.0*"
Useless to say that I wasn't able to find any graphic card PCIE 1.0 (x16) | DirectX 9.0 (!!)

You should be able to use any 2.0 or 2.1 version of the PCIE (x16) graphics card--they are all supposed to be *backward compatible*--so should work fine on your motherboard--just won't have the v2.x capabilities--but, that's the limitation of the motherboard--not the PCIE card!


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It's high time to give you the url of the board manual (English.pdf):

I mentioned a link above--is this the correct one:


NightOwl wrote on Jul 16th, 2012 at 9:59am:
This shows a pretty good outline of setting up the motherboard:  ALiveNF6G-GLAN User Manual



Quote:
"The board has a connection for IDE drives where you can connect master/slave = 2 drives.
The IDE cable has 3 connections: 1 for the board and 2 for the drives....

assuming he's talking about the CD+DVD drives here - and I would think that the floppy drive will be connected by the power supply, as well..

Well, you switched from talking about the *communication* cable to the *power supply* cable for the floppy drive--two different things!  The floppy drive uses it own separate, specific *communication* cable--not the same as the HDD or optical drive  com cable--in older floppy drives, you could connect that cable either way in the receptacle--if you reversed it, you could fry the floppy drive and/or possibly the motherboard--newer floppy drive are *keyed* so the cable can only go one way--so be careful about that hookup!

Also, floppy drives have their own special power input connector--but most power supplies come with at least one power outlet connector for floppy drive type connectors.


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But, oh, I don't have any CD with the board!
IMO that would mean to download all I can get hold of (chipset, drivers .........) from the homepage. Correct ?

Correct--you should be able to download everything that's needed.  Often older boards don't have any new drivers after a couple years on the market.


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GERMAN boards (I don't trust them!) try to convince me to take Windows 7 64bit instead 32bit.
I read a lot about the *XP mode* and how to's. Not sure, though, if, when installing 64bit - XPmode will be 32bit.
Noone seems to be sure about that.

That's why I mention it here again. I rememeber well that you recommended me to install Win 7, 32bit.

Well, that's what I said I was going to do  ;)  --didn't necessarily mean you should:


NightOwl wrote on Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:13am:
So, it's a tough decision--64 or 32 bit--I think I will stay with 32 bit for now, until I run into a *must have* feature or program that *requires* 64 bit--so I will have to be *pushed* !



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provided that I DO already have all hardware stuff!
I still need a graphic card, a LAN card ... and the confirmation that I definitely don't need any adapter for my E-IDE gear
> 2x HDD, 2x optical drive + 1x floppy drive (all E-IDE/PATA!).

You don't *need* a graphics card--that could be a later upgrade as mentioned before. 

You don't need a LAN card--that's also available as a built in on your motherboard!  Specifications


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LAN

- Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000 Mb/s
- Giga PHY Realtek RTL8211B


You can not hook up two PATA HDDs and two PATA optical drives--you have only one PATA communication cable hookup on the motherboard.  Each PATA com cable can have a max of two PATA devices--mix or match HDDs or optical drives.  You will have to use the 4 SATA ports for SATA devices if you want more than the two PATA devices.

Or, you could buy a PCI PATA controller and hook it up to one of the PCI slots to add additional PATA devices--there's always one more way to do things on a computer!

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 21st, 2012 at 11:47am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 21st, 2012 at 10:18am:
GERMAN boards (I don't trust them!) try to convince me to take Windows 7 64bit instead 32bit.
I read a lot about the *XP mode* and how to's. Not sure, though, if, when installing 64bit - XPmode will be 32bit.
Noone seems to be sure about that.


The *XP Mode* is an emulator to run software on a Win7 64 bit system that would not otherwise run on a Win7 64 bit system.  WinXP is essentially a 32 bit system--so, yes the XP Mode will run those 32 bit programs. 

But, if you have older hardware, like scanners or printers, that do not have 64 bit drivers--even though the 32 bit XP software is running just fine in the Win7 XP Mode--you still will not be able to use those older pieces of hardware--when the XP Mode ports the output for those devices--they will have to have 64 bit drivers in Win7 if they are going to work!


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:40am
@ NightOwl

Before I forget:
Terabyteunlimited sent an email reply >
"We don’t have a German manual, but there are translation services on the Net that may help."  >:(

Whattasupport!

Since there is no German board either, I'd prefer another reliable backup software. It's a *just in case* decision.

Can you think of any other easy to handle software ?


I've been busy searching, ordering etc., that's why I didn't reply earlier.  :-*

Your reply #13 - 21.07.12 at 18:37:38


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you have a motherboard that has a built in Graphics Chip, but it has only an analog output--so you do not have to buy a Digital Output Graphics card for now

I bought
*Sapphire Radeon HD5450 (ATI Radeon HD5000, 16x PCIe, 512MB, DDR3 cache)*

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=917&pid=315&psn=&lid=1&leg=0

board manual (English.pdf):

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is this the correct one ?
YES :=)
ftp://174.142.97.10/manual/ALiveNF6G-GLAN.pdf


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you switched from talking about the *communication* cable to the *power supply* cable for the floppy drive--two different things!  The floppy drive uses it own separate, specific *communication* cable--not the same as the HDD or optical drive  com cable--in older floppy drives, you could connect that cable either way in the receptacle--if you reversed it, you could fry the floppy drive and/or possibly the motherboard--newer floppy drive are *keyed* so the cable can only go one way--so be careful about that hookup!

Also, floppy drives have their own special power input connector--but most power supplies come with at least one power outlet connector for floppy drive type connectors.

Yes, I found out  ::) that the board has 2 connectors. 1 for the HDDs (master + slave) and 1 for the floppy drive.

For the optical drives (CD burner [Plexwriter 2] and DVD burner) [probably Benq or LG - will see] I bought:
*IDE ATA133 RAID Controller 2-port PCI card #n553*

Similar to this one:
http://www.logilink.eu/showproduct/PC0038B.htm?seticlanguage=de&seticlanguage=en

Got it from Ebay's, data somewhat different >
For 4 additional IDE devices, RAID is NOT for Wind 7, PCI 2.2 32bit card. Chipset = Silicon Image SIL0680.
Picture looks alike. 
Came with a tiny little wee driver CD ;D
Copied right to PC!
I just hope it's going to work reliable/bly ? < = reliably ?  ::)

Drivers etc for the board:


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you should be able to download everything that's needed.  Often older boards don't have any new drivers after a couple years on the market.

I downloaded the following (both for 32 bit and for 64bit Vista - no Win7 available - should work, don't you think ?):

----> 32bit:

° AUDIO_Vista64_RealtekHighDef. R2.08 (2009) > equal to vista32!
° HDD_Vista32_nonRAID SATA Drv 998 (2008)
° VGA_Vista32_VGA Drv 163.75 (2008)
° RAID_Vista32+64_NVIDIA RAID Treiber 1.12 (2008)
won't need that, would I ?

° Utility_Vista32_InstantBoot 1.13 (2008)
no idea what that's for

° Utility_Vista32_TLB Utility 1.03 (2008)
no idea

----> 64bit:

° AUDIO_Vista64_Realtek HighDef R2.08 [WDM] (2009)
° NVIDIA_Vista64_All-In-1 Drv F. NVIDIA-1111 (2008)
° VGA_Vista64_VGA Treiber 163.75 (2008)

° RAID_Vista32+64_NVIDIA RAID Treiber 1.12 (2008)
???

° Utility_Vista64_Instant Boot 1.13 (2008)
???

° Utility_Vista64_TLB Utility 1.03 (2008)
???

Now, don't ask me why, I thought I needed a driver for the chipset ...  :D ... finally found *something* - is display driver for NVIDIA, though ... NVIDIA graphics card ? (will insert here for you to check)  :-[----> Win7 32bit:

° GraphicsQuestDrv_Win7-32_NvidGef6150SE-nForce430 (2012)-pcpitstop

----> Win7 64bit:

° GraphicsQuestDrv_Win7-64_NvidGef6150SE-nForce430 (2012)-Pcpitstop

You will find more info here + release notes:

http://www.pcpitstop.com/drivers/download/NVIDIA~GeForce~6150SE~nForce~430.html

Win7 - 32bit or 64bit:


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it's a tough decision--64 or 32 bit ... that's what I said I was going to do -- didn't necessarily mean you should

So, what would you advise me   :-/


Quote:
You don't need a LAN card--that's also available as a built in on your motherboard!

Yes, I know. LAN + graphics onboard have crashed after a short time on 2 (two) of my boards. That's the main reason why I also bought:

*LogiLink Gigabit PCI Express Networkcard*

http://www.logilink.org/cmsfiles/modules/i-sell2u/showproduct.htm?isu_zeigeartikel=PC0029A&seticlanguage=en&seticlanguage=en&seticlanguage=en

Reply #14 - 21.07.12 at 18:47:24


Quote:
The *XP Mode* is an emulator to run software on a Win7 64 bit system that would not otherwise run on a Win7 64 bit system.  WinXP is essentially a 32 bit system--so, yes the XP Mode will run those 32 bit programs. 

But, if you have older hardware, like scanners or printers, that do not have 64 bit drivers--even though the 32 bit XP software is running just fine in the Win7 XP Mode--you still will not be able to use those older pieces of hardware--when the XP Mode ports the output for those devices--they will have to have 64 bit drivers in Win7 if they are going to work!


:o :o :o

Have old printers (also in basement)- canon i560 etc., old hardware +++.
Did you mean I needed Win7 32bit to make it work ? Meaning XP32 ~ Win7 32 in XP-mode ??? Please explain ..

henriette *sold power supply & other stuff*  ;)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:39pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:40am:
"We don’t have a German manual, but there are translation services on the Net that may help."

Whattasupport! 


Don't be offended. TeraByte Support is superbly helpful. Although often cryptic.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:44am
@ Brian


Quote:
Don't be offended. TeraByte Support is superbly helpful. Although often cryptic.

Okay, Brian, but what about the _missing_ support in German  :-?

If there should be any questions [no German manual or phone support] while I need to create an image, and it doesn't work (because I can't handle it) ... where should I turn to ?

I will buy *Image for DOS* GUI version if you advise me to do so. I'll do it °blindfolded°  ;D

henriette  :)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 29th, 2012 at 6:20am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:44am:
but what about the _missing_ support in German


There are no German language posts in this forum but you and I can communicate well in English.

Unlike many companies, I've found TeraByte Support will respond to questions on the same day. Usually within a few hours. There is also a TeraByte forum with helpful people.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ucf/

Drive Snapshot is a German imaging app. But it has limited functions compared with TeraByte apps. It can't restore into a smaller partition, it can't resize a restored partition and it doesn't have a cloning function. I suggest you try IFD and Drive Snapshot. See which you prefer.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 29th, 2012 at 7:05am
@ Brian


Quote:
Unlike many companies, I've found TeraByte Support will respond to questions on the same day. Usually within a few hours. There is also a TeraByte forum with helpful people.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ucf/


Quote:
Drive Snapshot is a German imaging app. But it has limited functions compared with TeraByte apps. It can't restore into a smaller partition, it can't resize a restored partition and it doesn't have a cloning function. I suggest you try IFD and Drive Snapshot. See which you prefer.

I definitely won't try Drive Snapshot (crap).

Will buy *Image for DOS* after peeping into the forum there :=)

I'm positive they're nice, friendly & helpful people, as I have experienced in some other English speaking forums  :)

Thanks very much for helping me make a final decision.

henriette  :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 29th, 2012 at 6:51pm
@ henriette

To make an IFD (gui) boot disk for a WinXP system...

double click makedisk.exe, next
dot in I accept the agreement, next
tick in Image for DOS (GUI), next
tick in CD Boot Image Files, next
dot in Mouse Support Enabled, next
dot in VESA Video, next
dot in Video Mode 1024*768 - 64K Colors, next
tick in Enable USB 1.1 (UHCI), next
ignore Global Geometry and MBR Options, next
ignore Additional IFD.INI Options, next
enter Producy Key (if you have one), next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc). Or USB flash drive. You can use a floppy but they are slow to load.
Finish


To create an IFD (gui) image and write it to a USB external HD

Backup
Full Backup
BIOS
Hard Drive 0 (if using a USB flash drive the flash drive might be HD0 so your first internal HD would be HD1)
select partition to backup
File Direct
USB
select partition on USB
select folder on USB and give the image a name (or accept the default name)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Standard
File Size Max
Start



To create an IFL (gui) image and write it to a USB external HD

Backup
Full Backup
Linux
ATA ..... (sda)
select partition to backup
File Direct
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select partition on USB
select folder on USB and give the image a name (or accept the default name)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Standard
File Size Max
Start


You also get IFL when you buy IFD. Some people find IFL works faster than IFD on their systems. I suggest you experiment with both.


To make an IFL (gui) boot disk for a WinXP system...

double click makedisk.exe, next
Default Settings
dot in I accept the agreement, next
enter Producy Key (if you have one), next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc). Or USB flash drive.
Finish







Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 30th, 2012 at 2:43am


To create an Entire Drive image and write the image to a USB external HD... Using IFL

Backup
Full Backup
Linux
ATA ..... (sda)
select Entire Drive
Single File Set
File Direct
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select partition on USB
select folder on USB and give the image a name (or accept the default name)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Standard
File Size Max
Start

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 30th, 2012 at 7:35am
@ Brian

mpfffff ... Brian, since yesterday I'm trying to create a boot media for IFD!

Boot floppy/ies:

Manual instructions (makedisk) didn't work > asks for 2.88MB floppy!

> Knowledge base article.php?id=138 --> °How to Run IFD From a Bootable Floppy Disk° > wrote txt into notepad (Editor) as *AUTOEXEC.BAT* [instruction reads *A:\AUTOEXEC.BAT* ??] - tried both + copied files to floppy. *IFD.INI* < they say "if it exists" - it doesn't exist.

Been searching the knowledge base, found several ways how to do it, using 2 floppies > while in DOS, get message "unable to open IFD.DAT". < knowledge base article.php?id=222 -->
°Not enough space on MS-DOS Startup Diskette to Add Image for DOS°

Tried to create CD (Boot disk) - unsure what to check & what not, anyway: message: "Writing to disk did not complete successfully - there was an error *0h: 00 05 21 70*.

Had just registered in forum, when I found your notification mail  [smiley=thumbup.gif]


Quote:
You can use a floppy but they are slow to load.

That would be my least problem.

I will follow your instructions below.


Quote:
To make an IFD (gui) boot disk for a WinXP system...

double click makedisk.exe, next
dot in I accept the agreement, next
tick in Image for DOS (GUI), next
tick in CD Boot Image Files, next
dot in Mouse Support Enabled, next
dot in VESA Video, next
dot in Video Mode 1024*768 - 64K Colors, next
tick in Enable USB 1.1 (UHCI), next
ignore Global Geometry and MBR Options, next
ignore Additional IFD.INI Options, next
enter Producy Key, next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc).


If that won't work, I need a real break from that program.

IF it works I'll let you know.

Thanks SO much for writing all the instructions for me - how did you know I was in trouble ...

My old printer - had to print the manual 159 pages!

note: DONALD is my old-fashioned PC ... I have no-name USB sticks that might not work. No time for experiments   :P

henriette  :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 30th, 2012 at 8:16am
@ Brian

Creating disk (CD) worked right away - yayyyyyyyyyyy  ;D

(it's the °ticks°, you know :=))

Just to let you know before I create *full backup* = *whole drive backup*. Will see how to select ALL partitions of HDD0. Might take time - preparations & such ;)

Thanks you, thank you, thank you!

henriette *will report*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:56am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:40am:
Can you think of any other easy to handle software ?

I've been out of town--so I'm behind on this discussion--and I don't have time this morning for responding to all the questions--I'll work on those later, but....

Just to be clear...if you adjust the Win7 installation so the System Reserve Partition (SRP) is not created, and you *generalize* the new style boot files so Win7 boots like the old style WinXP mode--then DOS Ghost 2003 works exactly the same on a Win7 system, be it 32-bit or 64-bit, as is does on the WinXP system--without any further adjustments from that point on!

The Window's based portion of Ghost 2003 probably can not be installed and work correctly on Win7--might work to some extent if 32-bit, but probably not at all for the 64-bit version.

So, DOS Ghost 2003 can be used on Win7 systems and you do not have to purchase some other software.

Having said that, if you want to move on to newer imaging software that is DOS based as well as Windows based (and Linux as well), then TeraBytes Imaging programs seem to have the best reputation--but there are many others--just depends on what features and what costs you want to pay!  I will post some references later.

If I were you, I'd seriously consider getting the TeraByte *package* deal where you have all the imaging software, DOS, Linux, and Windows based--as well as the *Boot-it Bare Metal* program--for $49.98 USD--it will give you the greatest flexibility that covers all the bases for use on different types of equipment.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 30th, 2012 at 3:28pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 30th, 2012 at 8:16am:
Will see how to select ALL partitions of HDD0. 


Just put a tick in the "Entire Drive" box.

To create an Entire Drive image and write the image to a USB external HD... Using IFD (gui)

Backup
Full Backup
BIOS
Hard Drive 0 (if using a USB flash drive the flash drive might be HD0 so your first internal HD would be HD1)
select Entire Drive
Single File Set
File (Direct)
USB
select partition on USB
select folder on USB and give the image a name (or accept the default name)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Standard
File Size Max
Start

Are you using the trial IFD or have you made the purchase?


Quote:
I have no-name USB sticks that might not work.

Use CDs at this stage as the first HD will always be Hard Drive 0. It can get confusing when the USB flash drive is Hard Drive 0.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 30th, 2012 at 4:00pm
To restore an Entire Drive image stored on a USB external HD... Using IFL (gui)

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the image
tick in Entire Drive
Linux
ATA.... (sda) (Be careful here that you are restoring the image to the correct HD)
Yes to the Warning (There won't be a warning if the target HD is empty)
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
First Track Sectors AUTO
Start

On my hardware, IFL is twice as fast as IFD when using USB external HDs. Your experience may be different. IFD is slightly faster than IFL when using internal HDs.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 30th, 2012 at 6:54pm
To restore an image stored on a Network Share... Using IFL (gui)

click net1
Auto Detect SMB Servers
select the remote computer
username
workgroup
password
select your "share" containing the image
exit menu
exit menu (again)
In IFL, select Restore
Normal
File (OS)
net1 (you might have to double click (or press Enter) this if Next doesn't work)
select your image
Linux drive interface
Target drive
etc

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 30th, 2012 at 7:04pm
@ henriette

When you get more comfortable with IFD/IFL I can let you know how to install one or both to a USB external HD. Then you don't need a CD. Just boot from the external HD into IFD or IFL. Some people like this for its convenience but you get the same result as using a CD.

You can automate the process. Boot from the USB external HD and the imaging or restore starts on its own.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:00am
NightOwl
wrote Reply #24 - Yesterday at 16:56:38


Quote:
If I were you, I'd seriously consider getting the TeraByte *package* deal where you have all the imaging software, DOS, Linux, and Windows based--as well as the *Boot-it Bare Metal* program--for $49.98 USD--it will give you the greatest flexibility that covers all the bases for use on different types of equipment.

I've purchased IFD+Linux as you might have read.

@ Brian

I will report what I've done and experienced so far:

1. Tried an *entire drive* backup to external usb drive > WD 1.5GB, USB 2.0 ---> will take 23 hours - aborted.

2. created backup C:\ only, to external drive > aaah! think I had it °uncompressed°, not sure, though  ::)
> 1:05hrs | 1 file | 4000.800kB.

3. created backup C:\ only, to INTERNAL HDD > compression "standard" > 11mnts!
2 files | "1-file" + "TBI-file" | total size of both files = 401277.
Have to check °BIOS direct° to have internal drive displayed.

3. Wrote img to DVD > writing speed "optimal" > 1:10hrs + validade disk.
Is the DVD bootable ???

All of the above by using IFD.

Brian, you recommend me external drives. The support of my present board told me that - if I connect an external drive with a real USB 2.0 cable, it would definitely run under 2.0.
I doubt it. How come it takes that long ?

Looks rather like usb 1.1. (same with other external usb drives).
BIOS is set to usb "1.1 + 2.0".

Below the link to my external drive which I used (1.5TB, 3.5")
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=260

... and copying from my internal drive to external drive is "normal" speed for usb 2.0. It's just backing up that takes forever (entire drive). That's why I'd prefer to 1st backup my entire drive to internal 2nd drive, then copy the backup to external usb drive.

both Ghost and TeraByte show 23 hrs for *entire drive* backup to external USB.

Seperate questions:

° where are the *.logs saved to ?

° For backup *entire drive*:

If I include (check/tick) MBR - will I be able to resize when restoring to a new HDD of different size ?


Quote:
Are you using the trial IFD or have you made the purchase?

I purchased IFD/IFL. (shows the price without VAT, without "extended DL service" - for minor updates only - not allowed in Europe!).

It's a pain: each time I start IFD I have to enter my Product-key.
Should be auto-stored. I mailed to the support, because I can't seem to find anything about °registering° in the manual.


Quote:
Quote:
I have no-name USB sticks that might not work.

Use CDs at this stage as the first HD will always be Hard Drive 0. It can get confusing when the USB flash drive is Hard Drive 0.

Yeah, can't handle more confusion  ;D


Quote:
To restore an Entire Drive image stored on a USB external HD... Using IFL (gui)
> instructions.


Quote:
On my hardware, IFL is twice as fast as IFD when using USB external HDs. Your experience may be different. IFD is slightly faster than IFL when using internal HDs.

I will try IFL maybe tomorrow. [other things to be done - for a change, already late afternoon].
1st I'll create the CD. Then try.


Quote:
To restore an image stored on a Network Share...
  
No idea what's that to be ...  :P

Reply #28 - Today at 02:04:08


Quote:
When you get more comfortable with IFD/IFL I can let you know how to install one or both to a USB external HD. Then you don't need a CD. Just boot from the external HD into IFD or IFL. Some people like this for its convenience but you get the same result as using a CD. ?????

You can automate the process. Boot from the USB external HD and the imaging or restore starts on its own.

Don't you overestimate my old board. In BIOS there are some options for 1st,2nd,3rd boot device. Don't know by heart.
We will see  ...

henriette  :)

P.S.:
Quite something different - don't want to start a new thread:

WHY install Windows 7 at all, when I can use XP-mode only & always! > XP-mode which I had to keep updated regularly, but no XP updates will be offered, anymore, then!
XP-mode has to be °handled° like XP. Most of my hardware AND software is incompatible to Wind 7 > I will never use it!

Now, please tell me what for  :-?


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 31st, 2012 at 1:29pm
@ henriette

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to create images to external USB HDs. I prefer imaging to a second internal HD.

You mentioned two file sizes, 4000.800kB and 401277. Do they mean 4000 KB?

You mentioned
Quote:
"1-file" + "TBI-file"
  I only get a .tbi. What is the "1-file"?


Quote:
Wrote img to DVD > writing speed "optimal" > 1:10hrs + validade disk.
Is the DVD bootable ???

Yes.


Quote:
Looks rather like usb 1.1. (same with other external usb drives).

You need to try IFL. Sometimes IFD has poor performance with USB devices.


Quote:
where are the *.logs saved to ?

You can only save logs when using writable media such as a USB flash drive.


Quote:
For backup *entire drive*:

If I include (check/tick) MBR - will I be able to resize when restoring to a new HDD of different size ?


Where is the MBR choice? I don't have that. There are two options to resize when restoring an Entire Drive image. The "Scale" options.


Quote:
It's a pain: each time I start IFD I have to enter my Product-key.

Sounds like you entered an incorrect key when you made the CD. It is in this format..

XXXX-XXXX-XXXX

Your downloads and Product Keys are here...

https://terabyteunlimited.com/product-download.php


Quote:
> instructions.

In Reply #26.

WinXP will be fine for a few years and maybe longer. I don't expect significant problems when Microsoft stops issuing updates. WinXP will still work.

Let us know if IFL creates images at appropriate speeds.





Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 31st, 2012 at 3:37pm

Quote:
If I include (check/tick) MBR


I see what you mean now. That's on the "Select Item to Backup from...." window. The "MBR" just refers to the type of HD present. It has nothing to do with saving the MBR. In IFD/IFL, HDs can be called MBR, EMBR or GPT.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:18pm
If you like floppies you can create a 3 1/2" floppy with IFD gui by omitting to copy the CD Boot Image Files. An image written to DVD will suffer by the disk not being bootable. Images written to a HD will be fine. You can create a 3 1/2" floppy with IFD cui which contains the CD Boot Image Files.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am
@ Brian

Note:  the following still goes for IFD.


Quote:
I thought you wanted to create images to external USB HDs

Yes, but not with 'low speed' and ~23hrs!


Quote:
I prefer imaging to a second internal HD.

So do I. Not much space, though. Just enough for 1 *entire drive* backup.


Quote:
You mentioned two file sizes, 4000.800kB and 401277. Do they mean 4000 KB?

Sorry, dropped a "0" in the heat of the moment.
It's actually 4.001.277KB - on INTERNAL drive.

On EXTERNAL drive it's 4000.800KB | file name *Img_Z_30.07.2012.TBI* = 1 file.

How come the difference, both in size and in # of files ???


Quote:
You mentioned Quote:
"1-file" + "TBI-file"  
I only get a .tbi. What is the "1-file"?


° file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012.1* | filetype = '1-file"| size = 1.904.125KB

° file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012.TBI* | size = 2.097.152KB
---> makes 2 files, total size = 4.001.277KB.


Quote:
You need to try IFL. Sometimes IFD has poor performance with USB devices.

Just wrote both IFD and IDL boot CDs.
IFD because I must have made a typo when I entered product key, as I typed it in the 1st CD. --> *heat of the moment*  ;D

Wanted to write this reply before I'm going to try with IFL.


Quote:
You can only save logs when using writable media such as a USB flash drive.

Been asking because IFD 'told' me > "logs saved!" ...   


Quote:
For backup *entire drive*:

If I include (check/tick) MBR - will I be able to resize when restoring to a new HDD of different size ?

Where is the MBR choice? I don't have that. There are two options to resize when restoring an Entire Drive image. The "Scale" options.

Well, when it comes to select drive > I get the whole drive with all partitions.
° XP (= C:\)
° MBR
° D:\
° E:\
° F:\
° G:\
° Entire Drive [is either at bottom or at top, can't remember]

When I tick *Entire Drive* > everything will be ticked.
I can tick the offered partitions separately, and thus exclude  the MBR, if need be.

Don't ask me how I get the MBR and you don't.  ::)


Quote:
If I include (check/tick) MBR

I see what you mean now. That's on the "Select Item to Backup from...." window. The "MBR" just refers to the type of HD present. It has nothing to do with saving the MBR. In IFD/IFL, HDs can be called MBR, EMBR or GPT.

I still have no idea if I had to tick or not  :-?


Quote:
If you like floppies you can create a 3 1/2" floppy with IFD gui by omitting to copy the CD Boot Image Files
   
Won't the Boot Image Files be needed for full function as boot floppy/ies :-?


Quote:
You can create a 3 1/2" floppy with IFD cui which contains the CD Boot Image Files.

That's what I've been trying. Over & over again. My floppies are 1.44MB size. Using "makedisk" asked for 2.88MB >> "your disk is too small .. blah"!
Other ways [see page 2] failed as well.
I really would love to be able making a 2-floppy-set that's working. Just without that blah.blah from the knowledge base with X tools etc.
On the other hand I have my CDs now.


Quote:
Images written to a HD will be fine

AH! How to do that ???

BTW: my BIOS > 1st boot device > *USB-HDD* IS available :=)))

USB ports:

I don't have a sound card anymore.
Instead there is a sound system connected to USB.

----> I will try creating images to external usb disk both with and without having the sound system connected.
That might speed up the connection.

Will see  ;)



Quote:
An image written to DVD (CD) will suffer by the disk not being bootable.

Are you talking about that *.iso file ?


Quote:
WinXP will be fine for a few years and maybe longer. I don't expect significant problems when Microsoft stops issuing updates. WinXP will still work.

Ahhhhhhhh, I'm relieved  :-*

henriette *going to prepare DONALD for IFL backup now*  :)





Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:17am
@ henriette

Boy--this thread has so many posts with so many questions--I'm not sure I can ever cover them all!  I will come back to at least some of the questions--but, for now....


henriette wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:40am:
Before I forget:
Terabyteunlimited sent an email reply >
"We don’t have a German manual, but there are translation services on the Net that may help."

Whattasupport! 

I know that there might not be a *German language* User Guide, but do you have the German based Image for DOS program?

When I go to the *Your Product Download Links* using the link provided in the email purchase receipt with my purchase *Product ID* and my *Product Key*,:


Quote:
To obtain individual packages or future updates use the link below:

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/product-download.php

I find all the products that I purchased listed--in English and some other limited languages--and Image for DOS and Image for Linux both have German language versions listed for both the GUI and CUI versions.

Just wanted to make sure you were aware of this.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:35am
@ Brian


So far, I have only used the *Boot It Bare Metal* bootable CD for some partitioning projects.  I have not yet used the other programs.  I'm going to have to give the others a trial run....

But, how does Image of DOS provide external USB drive support?  Is there a separate DOS USB driver loaded in *config.sys* and/or *autoexec.bat*--or is the support built into the Image for DOS program itself?

Ghost 2003 uses DOS USB drivers loaded separately from the *ghost.exe* program by *config.sys* and/or *autoexec.bat*.  This means you have access to the external HDD in DOS as well as when you load *ghost.exe*.

Starting with the Corporate versions of Ghost after Ghost 2003 (i.e. 8.xx and beyond), the USB support was built into the *ghost.exe* program.  So, in this case, the USB external HDD shows up in the Ghost program, but can not be accessed while in DOS--similar to the support for NTFS partitions using DOS Ghost where you will see the NTFS partitions listed in Ghost--but you can not access the NTFS partitions in DOS.




Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 1st, 2012 at 1:57pm
@ NightOwl


NightOwl wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:35am:
But, how does Image of DOS provide external USB drive support?


Through the BIOS and built in I assume. An IFD boot disk runs the TeraByte OS so there is no autoexec.bat or config.sys or USB drivers. IFD will read from and write to a USB NTFS external HD. The exe file, image.exe will run from a DOS disk too. In fact that's all you need to add to a DOS disk. The one file.

IFL accesses the USB external HD directly and not via the BIOS. USB is full speed with IFL.

You could try it with your latest BIBM CD. It contains IFD gui. See if it works OK with USB. Again, it depends on the BIOS. My Dell desktop freezes in BIBM if I have USB2 selected (in BIBM) and try to access USB. If I don't have USB2 selected then USB access is fine and at USB2 speeds. Weird. My test computer (different model Dell) works fine with USB2 selected. The advantage of having USB2 selected is you don't have to have the USB device connected at boot time for it to be recognized. But otherwise your USB device will work at USB2 speed no matter whether USB2 is selected or not.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 1st, 2012 at 2:15pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am:
file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012
.1
* | filetype = '1-file"| size = 1.904.125KB

° file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012.TBI* | size = 2.097.152KB
---> makes 2 files, total size = 4.001.277KB.


Is your target partition FAT32? Mine is NTFS so I don't get file splitting.


henriette wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am:
Well, when it comes to select drive > I get the whole drive with all partitions.
° XP (= C:\)
°
MBR

° D:\
° E:\
° F:\
° G:\
° Entire Drive [is either at bottom or at top, can't remember]


Are you sure? You shouldn't see any drive letters at all. Just partition names. Does it say MBR or MBR with a number after it?


henriette wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am:
Won't the Boot Image Files be needed for full function as boot floppy/ies

You don't need these files if you are imaging to a HD.


henriette wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am:
Are you talking about that *.iso file ?


The DVD is bootable and does an "auto" restore.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 1st, 2012 at 5:24pm
@ henriette

Have you labelled each partition with the same name as its drive letter? I guess that's why it looks like you have drive letters in IFD.

Would you mind posting a screenshot of Disk Management? That would be a big help in our understanding of your system.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 10:27am
Disc management (henriette)

attached.

reply to follow.

henriette  :)
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=DiscManagement_henriette.doc (77 KB | 231 )

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:59am
@ NightOwl

Maybe you'll find some time to reply to this post (eventually):
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1341770812/15

NightOwl
wrote Reply #34 - Yesterday at 17:17:53


Quote:
do you have the German based Image for DOS program?

Got 2 updates.
° IFD v1.99 (old version) > *Imagereg.de* = folder.

° IFD *ifd_de_gui* + *text.ansi*.

I prefer IFL now.

Thanks to Brian's excellent instructions I don't need German lang.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Tech questions would be the same, no matter if German or English  ;)

I LOVE Linux !

I think I've made beginner's faults, the last 2 days.

Before I come to reply to Brian's posts - this report about today's backups:

1. IFL (gui) backup (C:\ only) to internal drive.
> ~ 8GB | ~ 8mnts incl. validation byte for byte.

2. IFL (gui) backup (C:\ only) to external drive usb.
> ~ 8GB | ~ 8mnts incl. validation byte for byte.

3. IFL (gui) Img C:\ to DVD
> Speed: optimal | tick "validate disk" | UNtick "validate byte for byte [was ticked from backups above] | 23mnts incl. validating disk.

Yesterday I'd already created backup of Entire Drive with IFL to external drive usb.
> 4h 30mnts incl. validation byte for byte.

Before creating backups I create folders (of course).

I name the folders (targets) like this:
*Img_X_[ImgF.Linux]-date* (German order = e.g 02.08.2012).

I named yesterday's Entire Drive image *Img_GesMain_01.08.2012.tbi*

I named today's images *Z-FP268.tbi* < that's how I did it in Ghost.

The following happened:

All backups were created successfully (1 file).

But - the images (all of them) were backed up to the destination partition, not to the selected folder.
> I had to drag & drop the backups in(to?) the folders.

Same 'procedure' on internal and external drives.

How come  :-?

note: I don't like to take the *backup ... blah .. date* that's given by IFL.

I'm overwhelmed by the cute GUI, the speed & accuracy of IFL  :)

I wish TeraByte had *put* the penguin onto the screen, hehehe. (might only distract me).

And I almost need magnifying glasses, because the GUI is very small, at least for my old eyes.
Can't seem to resize the 'window'.

Brian
wrote Reply #37 - Yesterday at 21:15:02


Quote:
file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012
.1
* | filetype = '1-file"| size = 1.904.125KB

° file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012.TBI* | size = 2.097.152KB
---> makes 2 files, total size = 4.001.277KB.

Is your target partition FAT32? Mine is NTFS so I don't get file splitting.

My HDDs are ALL NTFS. Was my mistake to 'forget' to add the file extension  :-[quote]Well, when it comes to select drive > I get the whole drive with all partitions.
° XP (= C:\)
°  MBR
° D:\
° E:\
° F:\
° G:\
° Entire Drive [is either at bottom or at top, can't remember]
Are you sure? You shouldn't see any drive letters at all. Just partition names. Does it say MBR or MBR with a number after it?
[/quote]
It says *MBR* without a number after it.

see attachment in my last post (disk management) - I've labelled each partition > you will see, that it's not the actual drives that are being displayed -
I used C:\, D:\ +++ thinking you might understand, sorry, my fault again  :-[

Of course, my partitions have *names* = volume names. Also when it's rather uncommon names - it works for me to differentiate and see what's what.

Not sure -- but all in all I think the questions are much less than it used to be  ;D

Thanks very much for now.

henriette  :-*










Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 3:34pm
@ henriette

That is great news. Your times to image to an internal and an external HD with IFL are the same. Excellent.

The text on the IFL gui screen is small. When you have some spare time try the IFL cui version. The text is large but you can't use a mouse and you have to use the keyboard TAB in a few places. I prefer the gui version.

Your screenshot explains the MBR entry you saw. I don't use an extended partition with logical volumes but I created that setup and viewed it in IFD. On the Select Item to Backup from HD0 screen I saw...

MBR 1           Partition (02)           34162 MiB   Extended

So that MBR line is simply IFD's representation of an Extended partition. IFD uses MBR 0, MBR 1, MBR 2, MBR 3 to represent partitions without a label. But I don't understand why you don't have a number after MBR. Oh well.

I'm delighted IFL suits your needs. I've done a lot of work lately on automating IFL and getting it to boot with a menu of which partitions to backup or restore. If you are interested in the future (not now) let me know.

There are good tutorials related to IFD and IFL on this page.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/howto/index.htm



Quote:
But - the images (all of them) were backed up to the destination partition, not to the selected folder.
> I had to drag & drop the backups in(to?) the folders.

Same 'procedure' on internal and external drives.


You made a mistake. The images will go to the folder that is chosen. After selecting the Folder, double click it. Don't click Next until after the double click.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:59pm
@ henriette

Now that you are confident in using IFL I can suggest some possible "improvements". I'll do this gradually. One suggestion at a time so you can decide if it suits you.

Instead of using Standard Compression, use Enhanced Speed - A

This is what a lot of us use. Imaging is much faster but at the expense of a slightly larger backup image size.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 5:32pm
To restore a single partition image to the original HD using IFL gui.

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list. (Or second internal HD if it contains the image)
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the image
tick in both boxes (the first line should finish with Partial)
Linux
ATA.... (sda)
select the partition to over-write
Yes
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Start

(even though we leave Log Results ticked, no Log is written when using a CD)

You can also restore a single partition from an Entire Drive image.
After selecting the Entire Drive image the next screen will be Select Item to Process. Select the desired partition and continue as above.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 7:31pm
Restoring from an IFL image written to a DVD....

(don't take any notice of the .tbi size on the DVD. It always appears to "fill" the DVD no matter how small the source partition)

Boot from the DVD containing the image. If you do nothing at the "Press space bar" message you will next see a window labelled Warning. If you click Yes the restore will take place. Easy.

If you press Space bar you will get the menu interface and be able to do a manual IFL restore. I prefer the above auto restore however I don't create images on DVDs as I have plenty of HDs.

You can test both of the above options and then choose "No" to avoid the restore.

Edit.... I assume you worked out right clicking the IFL desktop gives you lots of options including Reboot.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:28am
@ Brian
wrote Reply #41 - Yesterday at 22:34:12


Quote:
Your times to image to an internal and an external HD with IFL are the same. Excellent.

Yeah, aren't they  ;) > all the credit is due to you  [smiley=thumbup.gif]


Quote:
The text on the IFL gui screen is small. When you have some spare time try the IFL cui version. The text is large but you can't use a mouse and you have to use the keyboard TAB in a few places.

I'd rather have my mouse :=)

---> will train my eyes  ;D


Quote:
But I don't understand why you don't have a number after MBR.

Maybe there is a number - just can't remember ...
Will let you know.


Quote:
I'm delighted IFL suits your needs.

I LOVE IFL - not willing to use IFD, anymore. > My poor old printer ,,,, 159 pages manual IFD  - hope I can use it also for IFL, if I'd ever need it after your excellent instructions  :-*


Quote:
automating IFL and getting it to boot with a menu of which partitions to backup or restore. If you are interested in the future (not now) let me know.

I will if I feel that it's nessecary. My future questions may show.

Ya know: I'm just happy as IFD runs now - it's a *cutie* :=)))))


Quote:
There are good tutorials related to IFD and IFL on this page.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/howto/index.htm

Thanks for the link, most helpful!


Quote:
Quote:
But - the images (all of them) were backed up to the destination partition, not to the selected folder.
> I had to drag & drop the backups in(to?) the folders.

Same 'procedure' on internal and external drives.

You made a mistake. The images will go to the folder that is chosen. After selecting the Folder, double click it. Don't click Next until after the double click.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
So that's it, thank you so much, Brian   
Ayayayay ... the *hounting me at nights* question IS BEING SOLVED   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Brian
wrote Reply #42 - Yesterday at 23:59:22


Quote:
I can suggest some possible "improvements". I'll do this gradually. One suggestion at a time so you can decide if it suits you.

Hehe, very kind of you, little by little is best for me.


Quote:
Instead of using Standard Compression, use Enhanced Speed - A
This is what a lot of us use. Imaging is much faster but at the expense of a slightly larger backup image size.

I will try all of your new instructions above as soon as I've accomplished other 'duties' - such as *household* - for a change, lol.  [smiley=bath.gif] < No, I'm having my shower every day > it's basement, vaccuuming, laundry &&&.
And after weeks of working on my PC - 12-14hrs per day - I'm looking forward to listen to music for awhile & relax.

Thank you very much for the instructions:
*To restore a single partition image to the original HD using IFL gui.*
and *Restoring from an IFL image written to a DVD*

Those are most valuable to me, as you know.

There is a very handy feature in Ghost > *Ghost Explorer*.
You can open any older image and e.g extract files & add it to your present O/S.
Also: if you wonder "was that version/file/whatever already on my last image ?" >>> just open the last image & look.

I wouldn't think there's any way to have such a feature in IFL.  :-?

henriette






Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 3:04pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 8:28am:
Also: if you wonder "was that version/file/whatever already on my last image ?" >>> just open the last image & look

This can be done in IFL by using mnt and TBIView. But let's leave that to later because there is an easier way. Download and install TBIView™ with TBIMount™ from...

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads-image-for-windows.htm

It's a free download and it lets you explore .tbi images and extract files.

Regarding the manuals. I've never printed any of them as I'm happy just viewing the PDF on the monitor. IFD/IFL are updated every few months and there is a new manual. The changes are usually minor. Such as someone has requested a feature which you will never use. But often there are really useful changes such as Enhanced Speed A. This has cut my imaging time in half.

When you have some spare time read about Differential images. They record what has changed since the last Full backup. For example, my full backup is 6 GB. I can create a differential backup image a month later which might only be 50 MB. (depends on what you have installed over the month of course) Not only are they a space saver on your HD but they are created in a third of the time of a full backup image.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 4th, 2012 at 7:11am
@ Brian


Quote:
Download and install TBIView™ with TBIMount™... it lets you explore .tbi images and extract files.

What an amazing software --- I'm *sockless* again  ;D

Downloaded & installed it, works fine.
> *TBIView* > *Driver Setup* < anything to set up ?

Differential images/backups:
(is there a difference between 'image' and 'backup') ?

Now, that's great, and I'd like to try it as soon as possible + will create differential backups, depending on what I've installed/uninstalled over the month.

Since I've just installed *TBIView + TBIMount* = something new on my C: = XP partition.

I read the "ifl_en_manual" page 41-45:

*single pass* or *multi pass* ? - no idea, cause for the last image 1 DVD was (just) sufficient. Don't know when I'll need 2 DVDs. Won't be long, though.

The manual is very confusing, saying "IF you chose ... bla bla" > at some points referring to pages xxx ... and I still don't know what to select.

The folder(s)/names:

For a differential backup - could I enter the name of a newly installed software/whatever - like "*TBIView_TBIMount.tbi* (to know what has been °added°) or would I HAVE to use the given *backup .... date* < not being able to tell (by its name)  what's new ?

What about the destination folder - will the differential image be added to the °original° drive image (XP), which I had named *Z-FP268.tbi* {= FlashPlayer 11.3.300.268} ?

... Or will I have to create separate folders for each differential image ???

Oh, Brian, a lot of questions  :-[

You really must be tired to write instructions ... just (hopefully) this will be the last ... at least till you provide me with new °material°  :D

Well, that's what you get being a semigod, who knows all the answers ,,,,,

henriette   [smiley=engel017.gif]

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:13pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 7:11am:
> *TBIView* > *Driver Setup* < anything to set up ?


No, the Drivers are already installed. If you right click your .tbi and click Mount as Drive Letter the image will be mounted as Drive Z: which is slightly different than opening the image in TBIView. I use both methods. When you are finished using the Z: drive you can unmount it. (don't have the Z: drive open when you right click to Unmount. A restart unmounts it too)


henriette wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 7:11am:
(is there a difference between 'image' and 'backup') ?


No, they are the same. I try to use the term Backup Image but sometimes forget either word.


henriette wrote on Aug 4th, 2012 at 7:11am:
*single pass* or *multi pass* 


I use *multi pass* although it probably doesn't matter which one you choose.

OK. Differential. From ver 2.71 onwards differential creation became faster. 3 to 4 times faster because of the creation of a Hash file. You get this file when you create a full backup image by ticking this Option, "Speed up Changes Only Backup". The Hash file is created in the same folder as the full image backup and you should create your Differential images in the same folder. All of the above in the same folder.

"Speed up Changes Only Backup" doesn't make creation of the Full backup image any faster. It's only the subsequent creation of the Differential image that will be faster.



To create a Differential backup image from an Entire Drive Image with IFL gui and write it to a USB external HD...

Backup
Changes Only
Multi Pass
File (Direct)
Linux
ATA ..... (sdc) (or sdb) This should be your external HD (or internal if that is where the image is stored)
select partition on USB
select folder on USB
select the full backup image
File (Direct)
Linux
ATA ..... (sdc) (or sdb) This should be your external HD (or internal if that is where the image is stored)
select partition on USB
select folder on USB
make sure you can see the full backup image (to confirm you are in the correct folder)
give the Differential backup image a name (your choice)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Enhanced Speed - A
File Size Max
Start
     



To create a Differential backup image from a Partition Image with IFL gui and write it to a USB external HD...

Backup
Changes Only
Multi Pass
File (Direct)
Linux
ATA ..... (sdc) (or sdb) This should be your external HD (or internal if that is where the image is stored)
select partition on USB
select folder on USB
select the full backup image
File (Direct)
Linux
ATA ..... (sdc) (or sdb) This should be your external HD (or internal if that is where the image is stored)
select partition on USB
select folder on USB
make sure you can see the full backup image (to confirm you are in the correct folder)
give the Differential backup image a name (your choice)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Enhanced Speed - A
File Size Max
Start
     


You can create as many differential images as you like in the same folder. Naturally each will need a different name. Once the differentials start to get larger than say 10 or 20% of the Full image size I suggest starting the sequence again with a Full image. But when to start again is up to you. Before you start Differentials I'd create another Full image (in a new folder) with these extra options..

Speed up Changes Only Backup
Compression Enhanced Speed - A

You are progressing nicely.









Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 4th, 2012 at 3:36pm
To restore a Differential backup image (of an Entire Drive) with IFL gui ...

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list. (or internal HD if that's where the image is stored)
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the differential image
Multi Pass
tick Entire Drive (or if you only want to restore one partition, tick that partition)
Linux
ATA ... (sda)
Yes to over-write
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
First Track Sectors AUTO
Start



To restore a Differential backup image (of a Partition) with IFL gui ...

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list. (or internal HD if that's where the image is stored)
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the differential image
Multi Pass
tick Partial (both will be ticked)
Linux
ATA ... (sda)
select the partition to restore into
Yes to over-write
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Start



Note, in the above you don't have to select the Full image as it is in the same folder as the Differential image. IFL knows it is there and will use it.

I'm interested in hearing about your image creation times and the sizes of the backup images (.tbi).

A major point. Differentials reflect changed sectors, not just changed files. So don't do any defragmentaion after you have created a Full image backup as it will make the differentials huge. You can defrag just before creating a Full image backup if you desire.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 6th, 2012 at 9:41am
@ Brian

I'm afraid things have to wait for a few days > "Duck got stuck" [see attachment = my DONALD = PC]  ;D

... insofar:
One of my external drives - supposed to become my 'main' external drive for Backup images only - has died after 2 years. > Western Digital [smiley=lipsrsealed.gif]

I had been busy over the weekend copying data from the above mentioned drive to a brandnew external drive. Including all Backup images < latter also copied to internal drive!
(So far the drive was still 'alive').

Then I re-partitioned etc., had a "nice" 2nd partition for Backup images only [1.26TB]  8-) < ... I thought.

This a.m. {thank goodness for the 'brainflash'!} I ran a DFT - quick test before I was going to copy data to the drive.  ;) ... Test failed!!.

Phoned WD support. WD will most certainly be accommodating and send a replacement  :)

Since that will take awhile (weeks/months) ... I just ordered a 2TB usb 2.0 external WD. For Backup images only !

AH! A very important question:
Should I ever defragment a drive/partition which holds backup images ???

I'm asking because I've defragmented the Image partition of my internal drive this morning. Took 'forever', and as a result > the FRAGmentation is now 2.2%! ---> vs.: when I just analyzed the partition before it was 0%!!!

So I will - for safety reasons - delete all backup images on that partition and copy the backup images back from External drive, again, to internal partition (the one that I defragmented).

I'd even format the partition  - using *disc management* before copying.

That copying procedure will take till late night again ... well, I'd better start right after this.

OOOOOOOOOH! Here is your answer:

Quote:
A major point. Differentials reflect changed sectors, not just changed files. So don't do any defragmention after you have created a Full image backup as it will make the differentials huge. You can defrag just before creating a Full image backup if you desire.

BUT: What does it mean for defragmenting backup images in general (as I asked above) ??? ... where to 'draw the line' ... NO defragment at all will be safer ???

{sorry, dog-tired}


Brian wrote Reply #48 - 04.08.12 at 22:13:38

differential images :


Quote:
Before you start Differentials I'd create another Full image (in a new folder) with these extra options..

Speed up Changes Only Backup
Compression Enhanced Speed - A    

Okay, will do so.


Quote:
You are progressing nicely.

Just you wait, my master  :-*

Usually Amazon delivers within 2 days > new 2TB external :=)))

Brian wrote Reply #49 - 04.08.12 at 22:36:37

Restore a Differential backup image (of a Partition) with IFL gui:


Quote:
in the above you don't have to select the Full image as it is in the same folder as the Differential image. IFL knows it is there and will use it.

Have to read your brilliant instructions, then I'll probably get it --- will go to bed early tonight  ;)


Quote:
I'm interested in hearing about your image creation times and the sizes of the backup images (.tbi).

Certainly, I will report.

Thanks, Brian, for the instructions.
As always I copy the instructions to notepad > format in big letters & print :=)

henriette  [smiley=dankk2.gif]
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Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:34pm
@ henriette

Regarding defragging. I was referring to the WinXP partition as I'm sure you understood. A defrag of WinXP every few months is sufficient. I never defrag the Backup partition at all. It is very time consuming if you do, there is a risk of damaging the backups and the backups don't restore any faster.

For what it's worth I only have a single partition on my 2 TB backup HD. I segregate data and images in folders.

Sorry to hear about your HDs. Your new 2 TB HD will undoubtedly be a 4k Advanced Format HD and the partition should be 2048 sector aligned for optimum performance. I'll get back to you with the best way to confirm the alignment. Don't put any data on the HD until you know the alignment is correct.



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 6th, 2012 at 4:25pm
@ henriette

I'll get you to make a BootIt BM CD so we can sort out the partition or partitions on the 2 TB HD. It will probably arrive already partitioned as it's designed for USB usage.

Download BootIt BM. There is a 30 day trial usage. Unzip the file and make a boot CD.


double click makedisk.exe, next
dot in BootIt Bare Metal, next
dot in I accept the agreement, next
don't select Image for DOS (GUI), next
dot in Mouse Support Enabled, next
dot in VESA Video, next
dot in Video Mode 1024*768 - 64K Colors, next
dot in Partition Work (Don't put a dot in Normal), next
don't choose any Device Options, next
tick in Enable USB 1.1 (UHCI), next
tick in Align partitions on 2048 Sectors
ignore Additional bootitbm.ini Options, next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc)
Finish


Boot from the CD with the USB HD connected

your BootIt CD boots to the Work with Partitions window
in the Bus field, choose USB and wait 10 seconds
click View MBR
can you let us know the LBA number (or numbers)
For a partition to be 2048 sector aligned this number must be divisible by 2048. The answer must be an integer. If the alignment isn't correct we can fix it. It's easy to do this if there is no data on the HD.

If you have trouble booting BIBM with the USB HD connected, try connecting the HD after BIBM has loaded.

WinXP Disk Management can't create 2048 sector aligned partitions. These partitions have to be created with other software.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 7th, 2012 at 6:43am
@ Brian

wrote Reply #51 - Yesterday at 22:34:25


Quote:
I was referring to the WinXP partition as I'm sure you understood.

Yesssss  ;)


Quote:
never defrag the Backup partition at all. It is very time consuming if you do, there is a risk of damaging the backups

That's exactly what I thought each time I defragmented the Backup image partition!


Quote:
I only have a single partition on my 2 TB backup HD. I segregate data and images in folders.

That's how I do it, too. [NightOwl taught me  :-*].


Quote:
Your new 2 TB HD will undoubtedly be a 4k Advanced Format HD and the partition should be 2048 sector aligned for optimum performance.

Well, I searched WD + google:

Here's the 2TB HD:
http://www.lasystems.be/WesternDigital/WDBAAU0020HBK-EESN/ElementsDesktop2TB/product/203766.html

Specs:
http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/search/1/a_id/3776#

Installation:
http://support.wdc.com/product/install.asp?groupid=304&lang=en

Downloads:
http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?wdc_lang=en&fid=wdsfElements_Desktop

According to WD support (had the impression that he wasn't the brightest bulb  ::):

1. External HD comes NTFS formatted (knew that).

2. IS a 4k advanced format.

3. On the question "2048 sector aligned" the guy got *stuck* > said something about "2x2048" ... :P

4. The guy also said that WD-Tools are for INTERNAL HDs only .


Before I go on, was going to attach a tool *H2testw1.4* (.zip file) you might not know (?) [214kB = too big]. will attach *readme.txt* instead.


Brian wrote Reply #52 - Yesterday at 23:25:23


Quote:
I'll get you to make a BootIt BM CD so we can sort out the partition or partitions on the 2 TB HD.

Will leave it as 1 single partition.


Quote:
Download BootIt BM. There is a 30 day trial usage.

okay. Isn't there any other tool to do it ?

Asking because I'd have to uninstall after use, and most uninstallers don't do a clean uninstall (leave traces).

Isn't there a tool on UBCD:
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

... for example ?

But if you say so, I'll download BootIt BM = BIBM.


Quote:
Unzip the file and make a boot CD.


double click makedisk.exe, next
dot in BootIt Bare Metal, next
dot in I accept the agreement, next
don't select Image for DOS (GUI), next
dot in Mouse Support Enabled, next
dot in VESA Video, next
dot in Video Mode 1024*768 - 64K Colors, next
dot in Partition Work (Don't put a dot in Normal), next
don't choose any Device Options, next
tick in Enable USB 1.1 (UHCI), next
tick in Align partitions on 2048 Sectors
ignore Additional bootitbm.ini Options, next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc)
Finish


Boot from the CD with the USB HD connected

your BootIt CD boots to the Work with Partitions window
in the Bus field, choose USB and wait 10 seconds
click View MBR



Quote:
can you let us know the LBA number (or numbers)

:-? where will I see the LBA number/s -- right at this point  :-?

... and WHEN exactly to tell you  :-?


Quote:
For a partition to be 2048 sector aligned this number must be divisible by 2048. The answer must be an integer. If the alignment isn't correct we can fix it. It's easy to do this if there is no data on the HD.

If you have trouble booting BIBM with the USB HD connected, try connecting the HD after BIBM has loaded.



Quote:
WinXP Disk Management can't create 2048 sector aligned partitions. These partitions have to be created with other software.

Yes, Sir  :)

HD will be delivered tomorrow. Received notice from Amazon.

henriette


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Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 7th, 2012 at 9:30am
@ Brian

Phoned WD support again because I found something about *4k Advanced Format* + tools on WD site (as I know now - for internal drives, only).

Support can't tell if *Digital Elements 2TB external 3.5" usb 2.0*
series actually is 4k advanced format or not.

They don't have any data (!).  ::)

"As a matter of fact:
external usb drive has its own controller. Conforming the alignment is NOT possible. Will most certainly destroy the usb drive.
Apart from that - usb drive would not be recognized by any software trying to *conform the alignment*.

It is possible only with INTERNAL SATA drives.

It doesn't make any sense to conform the alignment.
usb drive runs fine as is."


Support staff agreed to the above. 

I know, there are supports and *supports*.
Why don't we leave it as is, Brian ?

You may want to explain it to me > pros & cons <  :-?
Is it 'just' for the performance ? How will the difference show between 512 and 2048 in 'practice' ?  :-[

henriette 


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 7th, 2012 at 12:46pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 7th, 2012 at 6:43am:
Asking because I'd have to uninstall after use, and most uninstallers don't do a clean uninstall (leave traces).


BIBM isn't installed. It runs from the CD and is the best tool for the job.


Quote:
Conforming the alignment is NOT possible. Will most certainly
destroy
the usb drive.
Apart from that - usb drive would not be recognized by any software trying to *conform the alignment*.

I have a 2 TB WD external HD and I created a 2048 sector aligned NTFS partition with BIBM. No problems.

Here is the TeraByte web page on Advanced Format drives so you can make up your own mind. The HD will work whether the partition is 2048 sector aligned or not. But it is so much easier to do the alignment now rather than later when the HD contains data.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=546




Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 7th, 2012 at 10:30pm
@ henriette

I found this which indicates WD has been selling Advanced Format external HDs for almost 3 years. Strange that WD Support didn't know. I was amused by the comment that alignment would destroy the USB HD particularly as the HD probably sells with a 2048 sector aligned partition. I must have a lot of destroyed HDs!

http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3876

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 8th, 2012 at 5:12am
@ Brian

wrote Reply #55 - Yesterday at 19:46:03


Quote:
BIBM isn't installed. It runs from the CD and is the best tool for the job.

Fine. But since it's a 30 days trial, I'd have to delete BIBM after having created the Boot-CD successfully.
Don't you think  ?


Quote:
I have a 2 TB WD external HD and I created a 2048 sector aligned NTFS partition with BIBM. No problems.

Great  :)


Quote:
Here is the TeraByte web page on Advanced Format drives so you can make up your own mind. The HD will work whether the partition is 2048 sector aligned or not. But it is so much easier to do the alignment now rather than later when the HD contains data.

Thanks for explaining & for the link  ;)

Brian wrote Reply #56 - Today at 05:30:45


Quote:
I found this which indicates WD has been selling Advanced Format external HDs for almost 3 years. Strange that WD Support didn't know. I was amused by the comment that alignment would destroy the USB HD particularly as the HD probably sells with a 2048 sector aligned partition.

I trust that you understand that I had to let you know about the support's "statements".
The 2TB WD I ordered seems to be a _phase out model_ . No idea what's the date of manufacture.
So I wasn't sure about 4k or not > as were the support staff  ::)

http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3876

The above link shows that WD don't know they're own products - yes, it's amusing  ;D ... not strange at all, to my experience with "support" in general!


Quote:
... I must have a lot of destroyed HDs!

LOL, Brian, so let's give it a try.

I'll expect the drive to be delivered today or tomorrow.

Then I'll start 1. DLGDIAG > quick test, 2. DL BIBM, 3. create Boot-CD.

Just 1 question (again) you did not answer:


Quote:
Quote:
can you let us know the LBA number (or numbers)

where will I see the LBA number/s -- right at this point  ?

... and WHEN exactly to tell you ?

No idea of the above - it's the 1st time I do it  :-[

henriette

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 8th, 2012 at 6:05am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 5:12am:
I'd have to delete BIBM after having created the Boot-CD successfully.


You will only need the CD for one day. After 30 days you start to get warnings if you are still using the CD.


henriette wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 5:12am:
No idea of the above - it's the 1st time I do it

Just follow my instructions. You can't miss the LBA. Actually you can try the BIBM CD before the external HD arrives. Have a look at your internal HD LBA.

There is a good chance the alignment is correct. If not it can be fixed in a few minutes. Don't worry as it is easy.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 8th, 2012 at 9:54am
@ Brian

wrote Reply #58 - Today at 13:05:12


Quote:
You will only need the CD for one day. After 30 days you start to get warnings if you are still using the CD.

hmmmm ... if I ever needed the CD again, could I download the trial version again ?  ;)

HA! Brian,,,,, Terabyte's software is the finest I ever had  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

So here you are (in short):

Reveived the HD (deleted the "autorun.inf" + ico! - never had that before on an external drive) > drive letter "Q" > created CD > ... LBA = 2048.

What's next ?

henriette  :)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 8th, 2012 at 2:30pm
@ henriette

Your LBA is 2048. Perfect. The partition is already aligned. Just start using the HD as a backup destination. You will have great fun with that HD and IFL.

Can you use the same CD after the trial finishes? According to the license agreement, you shouldn't. Can you download another trial? I'm not sure if that is appropriate but practically you could.

As far as the drive letter is concerned, if Q: is OK with you, fine. But you can change the drive letter to whichever letter you prefer.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 9th, 2012 at 6:00am
@ Brian

wrote Reply #28 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 7:04pm   


Quote:
@henriette

When you get more comfortable with IFD/IFL I can let you know how to install one or both to a USB external HD. Then you don't need a CD. Just boot from the external HD into IFD or IFL. Some people like this for its convenience but you get the same result as using a CD.

You can automate the process. Boot from the USB external HD and the imaging or restore starts on its own.

one or both ? WHAT - but we'd better leave it to later.
{sorry, lots of instructions - I've lost track}.

note: I will use IFL (GUI) ONLY, no more IFD.

Brian wrote Reply #60 - Yesterday at 21:30:38


Quote:
Your LBA is 2048. Perfect. The partition is already aligned. Just start using the HD as a backup destination

Will do so  ;)

Before I start > a few questions:

°Do I need writing Backup images to a DVD at all ? - in other words: would I ever need a Boot-DVD with an image on it ? I can boot into DOS with the CD (IFL GUI) & restore an image. So what a DVD for :-?

From manual: "Speed up Changes Only Backups ... is only available when creating a full image that is NOT being saved to DVD ...""

---> My new HD ext. 2TB is STILL EMPTY!

I intend to create a full image [XP partition] with this extra options:
° "Speed up Changes only Backup"
° "Compression enhanced speed-A"

After that - from time to time - Differentials.

Are 'ordinary' Full Images still necessary, anyway ???

Then how to write which backup image on DVD ?
(s. above!).

What should be the order _after creating a full image with this extra options:
° "Speed up Changes only Backup"
° "Compression enhanced speed-A"
+ Differentials_

... what to continue with ?

I would also like to create an Entire Drive image, later on.
Can't use "Speed up Changes only Backup"
nor "Compression enhanced speed-A" for doing so --- as I understand it.

Need your most valuable advice. ,,, ~~~"I'd be nothing if I didn't have you" ~~~

henriette  :-*

BTW: 2TB drive letter now "L" = Linux  :)

The 400GB external 'sound machine (!) - extremely slow - guy#7 gave it to me - disconnected for good >>> basement!
(was drive letter 'L').

Damaged "EXT2" 1.5TB disconnected, still waiting for email from WD support > hopefully replacement.




Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 9th, 2012 at 6:20am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 6:00am:
Do I need writing Backup images to a DVD at all ?


I don't create images on DVDs. I don't trust optical media.


henriette wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 6:00am:
Are 'ordinary' Full Images still necessary, anyway ???


I create a full backup image every month and start differentials again but others might go for several months before creating a new full backup image.


henriette wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 6:00am:
I would also like to create an Entire Drive image, later on.
Can't use "Speed up Changes only Backup"
nor "Compression enhanced speed-A" for doing so --- as I understand it.


Yes, you can use both Options and I suggest you do.


henriette wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 6:00am:
BTW: 2TB drive letter now "L" = Linux


Interesting choice. You make a great Padawan Learner.

Have fun! After you have created your Full images, try some differential images so you can see how the procedure differs from a full image. Your 2 TB of storage will allow lots of play time.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 9th, 2012 at 9:35am
@ henriette

The USB interface might not allow you to see the full speed potential of Enhanced Speed - A.  Using that compression setting I found creating an image to a second internal HD was almost twice as fast as creating an image to a USB external HD. Let's see how your times compare as Standard compression was the same speed to both of your devices.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:58am
@ Brian


Quote:
The USB interface might not allow you to see the full speed potential of Enhanced Speed - A.  Using that compression setting I found creating an image to a second internal HD was almost twice as fast as creating an image to a USB external HD. Let's see how your times compare as Standard compression was the same speed to both of your devices

Let's keep that for later.

IFL is going on my last nerve:

No matter what name in IFL I chose, I ALWAYS get 2 files  >:(

Yes, I double clicked to *get* the img into the folder.

Folder name (ext drive) = "Img_A_Full_XP_Incl_Differentials-09.08.2012".

Tried (within IFL):
"Full_C_Incl_Differentials-09.08.2012.tbi"
"XP-09.08.2012.tbi"
"FlashPlayer270.tbi" ... and several others.

What I get in the folder is:
2 files. 1 = ok. 2. = '2012-file' | '#0-file | +++
Latter when I accepted the default name.

Icons of the 2nd file are 'unknown' > can't rename, since same name as the *TerabyteImageFile*.
Can't drag & drop, either.

Before I used the default name - I thought it might be the different way of German/English date --> German = DDMMYYYY
English/American = MMDDYYYY.
That can't be ittttt, either.

Now please tell me what to do!

btw: can I do a quickformat on the 2TB drive ? After all the *works* ?

henriette  :(


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 9th, 2012 at 3:33pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:58am:
No matter what name in IFL I chose, I ALWAYS get 2 files


You are supposed to get 2 files when you select "Speed up Changes only Backup". The second is the Hash file to speed up creation of the subsequent differential images. I did mention the Hash file in an earlier post. See Reply #48.


henriette wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:58am:
can I do a quickformat on the 2TB drive ? After all the *works* ?

Yes, but why would you want to do that? If you want to delete files, just delete them. A format is not necessary.


henriette wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 11:58am:
Icons of the 2nd file are 'unknown' > can't rename, since same name as the *TerabyteImageFile*.


That's how it should be. Those 2 files should stay together.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 10th, 2012 at 12:49am
@ Brian

wrote Reply #65 - Yesterday at 22:33:34


Quote:
You are supposed to get 2 files when you select "Speed up Changes only Backup". The second is the Hash file to speed up creation of the subsequent differential images.



Quote:
Icons of the 2nd file are 'unknown' > can't rename, since same name as the *TerabyteImageFile*.
That's how it should be. Those 2 files should stay together.

Ok, I just can't believe the file extension to be:
'2012-file' | '#0-file --- for example.
Or are you saying either were correct  :-?

What is the correct file extension to be ???
(What file extension for the Hash file do you get ?)

henriette

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 10th, 2012 at 3:43am
@ henriette

You are doing really well. All of your images are fine. Worth keeping.

My hash file is

WinXP.#0

and the full image is

WinXP.TBI

I know the hash file looks strange but the format is correct. The Type column in Windows Explorer says #0 File. Just like yours.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 10th, 2012 at 4:33am
@ Brian


Quote:
All of your images are fine. Worth keeping.

My hash file is

WinXP.#0

and the full image is

WinXP.TBI

I know the hash file looks strange but the format is correct. The Type column in Windows Explorer says #0 File. Just like yours.

note: to get the '*.#0' extension I had to accept the default "backup .... date .. time" (so it seems).

Will try if it works when avoiding numbers at the end (###) - next time.
 
And as I can tell from your file names: they must be the same - that might have been my mistake.

... so I can go on now with a *differential backup*.

Will let you know the details (file size etc.) when done.

Thanks a lot!

henriette  :)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 10th, 2012 at 4:37am

henriette wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 4:33am:
note: to get the '*.#0' extension I had to accept the default "backup .... date .. time" (so it seems).


I can use any name. Whatever name you use for the Full image will be adopted by the hash file.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 10th, 2012 at 4:47am
Brian wrote Reply #69 - Today at 11:37:16


Quote:
I can use any name. Whatever name you use for the Full image will be adopted by the hash file.

No matter what file extension (hash file) ????

henriette

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 10th, 2012 at 4:52am
@ henriette

In certain situations the file extension may be .#1. It doesn't matter what it is!!!

You are just getting confused. I suggest that you completely ignore the hash file as it will take care of itself. Name your full backup image in the usual fashion while in the IFL app. Whatever name you like. Don't try to rename it later. Use IFL as you did before and don't even look at the hash file as you are having a negative experience by trying to make it something which it isn't. Relax.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 10th, 2012 at 4:59am

Quote:
The hash file will be limited to the max file size and have the same file name as the backup with an extension starting at .#0 followed by .#1, .#2, etc. as needed.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 10th, 2012 at 5:01am
@ Brian


Quote:
In certain situations the file extension may be .#1. It doesn't matter what it is!!!

You are just getting confused. I suggest that you completely ignore the hash file as it will take care of itself. Name your full backup image in the usual fashion. Whatever name you like. Use IFL as you did before and don't even look at the hash file as you are having a negative experience by trying to make it something which it isn't. Relax.

That's it, my master, I will (just) ignore it  ;)

henriette *keeping master busy*  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 10th, 2012 at 5:02am
My Padawan Learner is on the right track now.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 10th, 2012 at 5:28pm
@ henriette

Today is the big day. After you have done a few differentials and understand the concept you will be ready to teach others. It's the same every time and the backup always works.

When you do a multi-pass differential you will see "Analyzing" where IFL is working out what has changed since the last Full image. Then IFL writes the differential image and does a Validate. Analyzing takes up most of the backup time and is the component that is assisted by having the Hash file. If you delete the Hash file you can still create a differential image but Analyzing will take longer.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:01am
@ Brian

wrote Reply #75 - Today at 00:28:02


Quote:
Today is the big day... It's the same every time and the backup always works.

When you do a multi-pass differential you will see "Analyzing" where IFL is working out what has changed since the last Full image. Then IFL writes the differential image and does a Validate. Analyzing takes up most of the backup time and is the component that is assisted by having the Hash file. If you delete the Hash file you can still create a differential image but Analyzing will take longer.

AH!,,, but please hold it, hold it  ::)

I'm still sorta °fighting° to find out WHAT and WHEN exactly to select/double click/highlight to get the correct  DESTINATION folder/file :-[

When creating backup image (full/entire) - I get "folder not found" - till I select/double click/highlight the correct file (maybe ?) --> meaning the file below the folder (latter says <DIR> = directory)  :-?

Happened when I started with *differential backup* > selected *... <Dir>* = wrong.

Selected *[file ..... ~4K]* --> seemed wrong to me, since I can't possibly add a backup INto an existing file! {understand my way of thinking ?}.

Furthermore: Within IFL the option 'file name' will only be given/offered when in correct folder/file (?) ,,, so I assumed.

---> Wrong again, cause when creating *EntireDrive image* - I picked created folder on usb external drive.
IFL started creating ...
After creating was successful, I found the 2 files in the path, not in folder ---> had to drag & drop.

There is a general problem which I don't seem to get right [how to - what - when - WHERE TO pick destination!].

Now, it doesn't matter as long as I can drag & drop the files into the appropriate folder.

But what when the external HD has quite a number of folders/files !!!

To Master Brian:
I've searched the manual + the knowledge base for a most similar screenshot/pic - to no avail.
This problem has to be solved in the first place.

I'm scared what might happen if I'd pick the wrong file when it comes to RESTORING  :o

Now, here's what I did yesterday (report):

1. Create Differential Backup image from a Partition Image:

Folder on external HD "Img_A_Full_XP_Incl_Differentials-09.08.2012" < = original folder already including full image XP.

IFL: file size: 8,981MiB (analyzing) | time: 2:35mts (creating)

2. Create Entire Drive Backup Image :

Folder on external HD "EntireDrive_C_Main-10.08.2012"

5 items (= partitions), showing [XP] as *partition 01* + [MBR 1] as *partition 02*.
Actual partitions are: [XP], [Music], [Emails], [Exe's+Drvs], [Videos] - make 5.

{question in between: [Music] = biggest partition (data).
IFL shows "volume (2EB) < what does EB mean ??}

IFL: file size 143,661MiB | time 2:13:13
IFL: 287,312 incl. validation  | 4:26:26 incl. validation

External drive (destination):

file size *Full Backup 08/09/2012* = 4,247,776 KB.
file size *HashFileFullBackup 08/09/2012* = 52,860 KB.
file size *DifferentialBackupFromPartitionImage 08/10/2012* = 456,332 KB.
file size *EntireDriveBackup 08/10/2012* = 142,115,548 KB.
file size *HashFileEntireDriveBackup 08/10/2012* = 1,149,349 KB.

henriette *pondering learner* 





Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:35am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:01am:
I'm still sorta °fighting° to find out WHAT and WHEN exactly to select/double click/highlight to get the correctDESTINATION folder/file


Let's say my target HD has a partition with the drive letter of D:
I'll now create multiple folders in D:   
Folder 1 first. Open 1 and create 2, open 2 and create 3, open 3 and create 4.
I'd like to create my images in folder 4. So the path is D:\1\2\3\4

Now I'll boot into IFL and create an Entire Drive image, writing the image to the 4 folder.

Backup
Full Backup
Linux
ATA ..... (sda)
select Entire Drive
Single File Set
File Direct
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select partition on USB (you will see the partition label)
double click 1
double click 2
double click 3
double click 4
at the bottom right of the window you will see /1/2/3/4/*.tbi    (so you know you are in the correct folder)
in the Name field, delete the default name and type in your own name. You don't have to type .tbi as that will be filled in automatically by IFL.
click Next
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
put a tick in Speed up Changes Only Backup
Compression Enhanced Speed - A
click Next
click Start




henriette wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:01am:
IFL shows "volume (2EB) < what does EB mean ??}

It is a Partition ID. Ignore it. You don't need to know about it at this stage.


henriette wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:01am:
I'm scared what might happen if I'd pick the wrong file when it comes to RESTORING


After you sort out the double clicking you CAN'T make that mistake.

Thanks for posting the times. I'd now like to see a time for a differential of your Entire Drive image.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 11th, 2012 at 2:37pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 5:01am:
[MBR 1] as *partition 02*


I note you do have a number after "MBR".

MBR 1 is an Extended partition. It contains your four logical volumes.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 12th, 2012 at 2:27am
@ Brian

Couldn't reply yesterday > PC had a short circuit, no more switching on possible ... not a quack from DONALD!
Unplugged peripherals 1-by-1, opened case, found a srew beneath mainboard (must have been there for ages) --- plugged peripherals 1-by-1 .... Donald worked again  ;D
[May as well have been a plug, no idea ....]

Brian wrote Reply #77 - Yesterday at 12:35:47


Quote:
double click 1
double click 2
double click 3
double click 4

AH! Like subfolders ---> click till end of tail, so to speak, right ?
Thanks for the detailed instruction.


Quote:
IFL shows "volume (2EB) < what does EB mean ??}
It is a Partition ID. Ignore it.

I'm just curious. What does the abbreviation EB stand for ? You don't have to explain what it's all about.

Brian wrote Reply #78 - Yesterday at 21:37:20


Quote:
[MBR 1] as *partition 02*

I note you do have a number after "MBR".
MBR 1 is an Extended partition. It contains your four logical volumes.

I wrote it because lately you wondered if I had a number after *MBR* ;)


Quote:
I'd now like to see a time for a differential of your Entire Drive image.

Here you are:

IFL name *Differential_1_EntireDrive.tbi*

File/time --> analyzing ...

IFL: File size Diff incl. validation = 146,767 MiB
       Time = 33:58 sec

On external drive *Differential_1_EntireDrive.tbi*:

file size = 644.572 KB

henriette  :)


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 12th, 2012 at 3:02am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 2:27am:
found a srew beneath mainboard 


You are clever!


henriette wrote on Aug 12th, 2012 at 2:27am:
I'm just curious. What does the abbreviation EB stand for ?


Every partition has an ID. It is a random hexadecimal number but once assigned, the same number persists. It could have been BA, DD, BE, etc. But EB it is.

Thanks for the numbers. What do you think about IFL at present?

I'm confused as to where you are getting your MiB numbers. Not from IFL I hope. Those numbers you see on the left in IFL aren't related to image size. They are related to sectors in use and are best not recorded. Get the file size from Windows Explorer.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 12th, 2012 at 9:25am
@ Brian

wrote Reply #80 - Today at 10:02:05


Quote:
I'm confused as to where you are getting your MiB numbers. Not from IFL I hope. Those numbers you see on the left in IFL aren't related to image size. They are related to sectors in use and are best not recorded. Get the file size from Windows Explorer.

Well, when creating a differential backup image from an Entire Drive image, IFL starts analazing .

In my case there are 5 items (partitions).

IFL showed an estimated size/time [I'd guess] at the very beginning of ~ 318 MiB | time ~ 1:10:xx hrs.

IFL then analyzes partition by partition for changes, with changing displayed sizes/times per partition. Hard to °follow°.

So I took the file size/time at the end (assuming to be 'creating incl. validating') - to give you an idea.

I also gave you the file size from Windows Explorer, when I wrote:


Quote:
On external drive *Differential_1_EntireDrive.tbi*:

file size = 644.572 KB
   
I admit, IFL sizes/times are confusing in that case.
Wanted to let you know, anyway :=)

Brian wrote


Quote:
What do you think about IFL at present?

It's a fine software!
"practice makes perfect"  ;) 


Quote:
You are clever!

~~~"every duck has 'its' day" ~~~ LOL

henriette



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 12th, 2012 at 4:22pm
@ henriette

Thanks. The file size on the backup HD in Windows Explorer is the one to quote.

In round figures, an Entire Drive image backup is.....
144 GB
4 1/2 hours to create

In round figures, an Entire Drive Differential image backup is.....
0.6 GB
1/2 hour to create

Is this correct?

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 12th, 2012 at 6:06pm
Here is why you don't want to record the MiB figure seen in IFL. I imaged the same partition twice with Validation. With Enhanced Speed - A and with Nil Compression. IFL reported 3329 MiB Transferred on both occasions. The actual image sizes in Windows Explorer were....

996 MB
1640 MB

I just regard the MiB Transferred as a guide to progress. I don't really understand what it means. If you don't do a Validate the number is halved.



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 13th, 2012 at 2:32am
@ henriette

We talked about an IFL log. As IFL runs in RAM the log disappears when the computer restarts. But you can get IFL to email you the log when the Backup or Restore has completed. When you boot back into Windows there will be an email waiting, describing the procedure.

But the email procedure is too complicated for you at this stage. Later. On the other hand, when you see Backup Completed Successfully you don't really need a log.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:14am
@ Brian

wrote Reply #82 - Yesterday at 23:22:38


Quote:
In round figures, an Entire Drive image backup is.....
144 GB
4 1/2 hours to create

In round figures, an Entire Drive Differential image backup is.....
0.6 GB
1/2 hour to create

Is this correct?

correct  :)

Reply #83 - Today at 01:06:18

Quote:
I just regard the MiB Transferred as a guide to progress. I don't really understand what it means. If you don't do a Validate the number is halved.

I don't think we'll have to give attention to the *MiB* IFL tells us.
The only important size is the one in Windows Explorer > target drive.

Reply #84 - Today at 09:32:03

Quote:
We talked about an IFL log. As IFL runs in RAM the log disappears when the computer restarts. But you can get IFL to email you the log when the Backup or Restore has completed. When you boot back into Windows there will be an email waiting, describing the procedure.

But the email procedure is too complicated for you at this stage. Later. On the other hand, when you see Backup Completed Successfully you don't really need a log.

I agree, too complicated for me and not really needed.
I'm (almost always) *thinking positive*, meaning the backup will be successful :=)

If not successful, I wonder if I could tell from the email what's wrong. That again might be something as attachment for you to encipher  ;D

I just finished creating a differential backup from partition image. Had new software versions.

IFL: time = 2:51 mts
External Drive (target): file size = 613,032 KB.

General question (External drives & deactivating):
I only plug my external drives when needed for backups.
Usually I deactivate external drives before shutting down PC - because of possible loss of data!
This once I forgot to deactivate > shut down PC > unplugged drive.

Reason for asking:
I once had an external drive. According to the manual one HAD to deactivate the drive BEFORE unplugging because of possible loss of data.

Are the external drives nowadays different  :-?

henriette

AH: would you tell me please where in Australia you live ? So I might find out the time difference  :)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:31am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:14am:
According to the manual one HAD to deactivate the drive BEFORE unplugging because of possible loss of data.


I always use the Safely Remove icon before unplugging USB devices in Windows.


henriette wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:14am:
where in Australia you live


Eastern NSW. UTC +10. We are 8 hours ahead of your Summer time.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:32am
@ Brian

Reply #86 - Yesterday at 13:31:53


Quote:
I always use the Safely Remove icon before unplugging USB devices in Windows.

Glad I asked  :)


Quote:
Eastern NSW. UTC +10. We are 8 hours ahead of your Summer time.

Hehe, my Master from Down Under is ahead of time  [smiley=cool.gif]

Usually Germany is ahead of time > America for example, where some of my friends live --> Geography!

I wonder if I had to create a new *FullBackupImage* (partition XP) next time.
*Full Backup* = 4,3 GB | 2nd Differential = 0,6 GB

You said: "once the differentials start to get larger than 10 or 20% of the *Full Image* size, I suggest starting again with a *Full Image*."

I don't think that the size of an additional differential would be much larger - upcoming patch day (WED = tomorrow for me) - might increase the size, though.

What would you advise me  :-?

henriette


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 14th, 2012 at 4:28am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:32am:
You said: "once the differentials start to get larger than 10 or 20% of the *Full Image* size, I suggest starting again with a *Full Image*."

I don't think that the size of an additional differential would be much larger - upcoming patch day (WED = tomorrow for me) - might increase the size, though.

What would you advise me


When to create a new Full Entire Drive image is a personal decision. But to help out with a guideline let's do this. Continue with the same Full image if the Differential image size is less than 15 GB. If 6 months has passed and the Differential image is still less than 15 GB, create a new Full image.

I just noticed your example for the WinXP image. Start a new Full image if the Differential image is greater than 1 GB.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 15th, 2012 at 7:45am
@ Brian

Reply #88 - Yesterday at 11:28:54

Quote:
When to create a new Full Entire Drive image is a personal decision. But to help out with a guideline let's do this. Continue with the same Full image if the Differential image size is less than 15 GB. If 6 months has passed and the Differential image is still less than 15 GB, create a new Full image.



Quote:
for the WinXP image. Start a new Full image if the Differential image is greater than 1 GB.

Thanks for the above guidelines. Very helpful  ;)

Just to let you know:
I've written 2 *.docs > "IFL CREATE Backup Images + Differentials" + "IFL RESTORE".

Now it's °neatly° put together in order.

Had been a lot of paperwork I'd copied to several folders (your instructions).

henriette  :)



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 15th, 2012 at 3:44pm
@ henriette

You are very confident now and that is great to hear. There was a lot to learn.

When you can do these "backups in your sleep" let me know if you are interested in an automatic method. You can actually do an automatic backup at 3 am while you are asleep. At 3 am the computer would restart into IFL, run the backup and either restart or shutdown. Your choice. A log would be written to your HD so you could confirm everything happened correctly. No CD is needed. This would be ideal for a 4 hour entire drive image.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:27am
@ Brian

I just created a new XP (full) backup image.
"Img_B_Full_XP_..... date" (folder on external drive).

time = 8 minutes
file size on ext. drive (target) = 4,4 GB.
BUT: I forgot to tick the option "Speed up Changes Only Backup", so I have no Hash file  ::)

Shall I delete the backup and create it again ? > easily done.
Or leave as is ?
Will the backup be ok without hash file ?

note: In my *.doc the option is even marked!!!   ;D
Found several steps that need to be altered there, as the *.doc is still in its 1st edition. *Subject to modifications* ;)

Brian wrote Reply #90 - Yesterday at 22:44:27


Quote:
When you can do these "backups in your sleep" let me know if you are interested in an automatic method. You can actually do an automatic backup at 3 am while you are asleep. At 3 am the computer would restart into IFL, run the backup and either restart or shutdown. Your choice. A log would be written to your HD so you could confirm everything happened correctly. No CD is needed. This would be ideal for a 4 hour entire drive image.

I'd say we'd better wait for some time till I've tried all "variations" of backups on my *.doc list.

That will take some time! I also have to make alterations [cut shorter, more precisely/customized] in the *.doc + print etc.

Please remind me in 2-3 months, maybe  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

henriette   :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:41am
@ Brian

I just noticed:


Quote:
automatic backup at 3 am while you are asleep. At 3 am the computer would restart into IFL, run the backup and either restart or shutdown

That won't be 'possible' because I'm living in a small room, where I sleep, eat, work, &&&!

I can't sleep - or will wake up - when the computer is ON.  ::)

henriette 

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 16th, 2012 at 7:50am

henriette wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:27am:
Shall I delete the backup and create it again ? > easily done.
Or leave as is ?
Will the backup be ok without hash file ?


You can create a hash file now with a batch file but the simpler solution for you is to delete the backup image and do it again.

The backup is OK without a hash file. It is just the future differential images will take longer to create.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:28am
@ Brian

Brian wrote Reply #93 - Today at 14:50:49


Quote:
You can create a hash file now with a batch file but the simpler solution for you is to delete the backup image and do it again.

The backup is OK without a hash file. It is just the future differential images will take longer to create.

AH! I actually °forgot° what the Hash file was for. Just knew I needed it. Thanks for reminding > will add it to the *.doc  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

So I'm going to delete the last backup and create a new one.

henriette *learning never ends* 

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:28am:
So I'm going to delete the last backup and create a new one.

That is the easiest method.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:49pm
I know you don't want to do this but to create a hash file without creating another backup you could do something like this from Terminal...

/tbu/imagel --hash --f:l1@0x1:"/your_folder/your_image.tbi"


Or you could mount the backup drive using the mnt icon. Then...

/tbu/imagel --hash --f:"/tbu/mnt1/your_folder/your_image.tbi"

I think the second one is easier as you don't need to confirm if l1@0x1 is correct.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:34pm
@ Brian


Quote:
/tbu/imagel --hash --f:l1@0x1:"/your_folder/your_image.tbi"

Oh...now you're just showing off  :) !



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:50pm
@ NightOwl

I wish I was able to show off. It is pretty much a copy/paste from the user-guide.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:55pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:28am:
Brianwrote Reply #93 - Today at 14:50:49
Quote:

You can create a hash file now with a batch file but the simpler solution for you is to delete the backup image and do it again.

The backup is OK without a hash file. It is just the future differential images will take longer to create. 

Not sure if you know, but you may be working too hard!  You can have the forum software do this quoting for you automatically without having to type in the details manually like the *Reply #93 - Today at 14:50:49*.

See the row of buttons in the upper right hand corner of each post?  The first one says *Mark & Quote*.  If you highlight what you want to quote in a specific post, and then click the *Mark & Quote* button, the forum software will reference the author and show a direct link to the quoted information so if anyone wants to see where it came from, they can click on the link.  The forum software will put that in the reply box at the bottom of the page.

You can also reference posts in other threads as well.  I will often open a second instance of the forum, go to a different thread that has information I want to reference in the other thread that's open in my first instance of the forum.  I will highlight the information, use the *Mark & Quote* button which puts the information in the reply box at the bottom of the page in that second instance of the forum.  I then highlight that information in the reply box, and either *copy* or *cut* it, and then return to the first forum instance, and then *paste* that *Marked and Quoted* reference to the first thread.  Now, if someone clicks on that link, they will be taken to that other thread if they want to read more.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:58pm
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:50pm:
I wish I was able to show off. It is pretty much a copy/paste from the user-guide.

Shhh...don't tell people--that's how I usually *show off*  ;) !

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 17th, 2012 at 6:06am
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm:
That is the easiest method.

So it was :=)


NightOwl wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:58pm:
@Brian

Brian wrote on Today at 06:50:46:

I wish I was able to show off. It is pretty much a copy/paste from the user-guide.
Shhh...don't tell people--that's how I usually *show off* !

IF it were *only* copy/paste from user-guides - even in my native language - I wouldn't have come to even create the IFL-CD!
You guys are excellent in teaching tech stuff! Be it NightOwl who taught me [for years!] how to get *command* over Ghost ,,, or Brian who's providing support & guidance for IFL. ... Both of you with an extraordinary patience  [smiley=dankk2.gif]

@ Brian

Is there any limitation of characters regarding  the file name length IN IFL ?

@ NightOwl


NightOwl wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:55pm:
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 8:28am:
Brianwrote Reply #93 - Today at 14:50:49
Quote:

You can create a hash file now with a batch file but the simpler solution for you is to delete the backup image and do it again.

The backup is OK without a hash file. It is just the future differential images will take longer to create. 

Not sure if you know, but you may be working too hard!  You can have the forum software do this quoting for you automatically without having to type in the details manually like the *Reply #93 - Today at 14:50:49*.

See the row of buttons in the upper right hand corner of each post?  The first one says *Mark & Quote*.  If you highlight what you want to quote in a specific post, and then click the *Mark & Quote* button, the forum software will reference the author and show a direct link to the quoted information so if anyone wants to see where it came from, they can click on the link.  The forum software will put that in the reply box at the bottom of the page.

You can also reference posts in other threads as well.  I will often open a second instance of the forum, go to a different thread that has information I want to reference in the other thread that's open in my first instance of the forum.  I will highlight the information, use the *Mark & Quote* button which puts the information in the reply box at the bottom of the page in that second instance of the forum.  I then highlight that information in the reply box, and either *copy* or *cut* it, and then return to the first forum instance, and then *paste* that *Marked and Quoted* reference to the first thread.  Now, if someone clicks on that link, they will be taken to that other thread if they want to read more.

Now, that was absolutely new to me  ;D
Hope I got it right now > another lesson learned!

henriette  :)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:51am
@ henriette

I can't speak for others, but on my computer--using the *dark blue* color for the font is impossible for me to read.  I have to *highlight* the text so the background is changed to light blue and the letter are then a white color.

I would recommend using the *default* white color on the *grey* background for better readability.  (Though, you may not be using the *default* forum colors--in your *Control Panel*, you can choose other options--if you have done this, then you may not see that the colors are hard to see in the *default* color scheme.  But, my guess is that using the *default* color in whichever forum scheme you are using will allow for better readability.)





Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:59am
@ NightOwl


NightOwl wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 9:51am:
on my computer--using the *dark blue* color for the font is impossible for me to read.

Modified my post. Better now ?

henriette

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 17th, 2012 at 3:51pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 6:06am:
Is there any limitation of characters regardingthe file name length IN IFL ?


As a test I just created an image with 100 characters in the filename.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 18th, 2012 at 6:14am
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 3:51pm:
I just created an image with 100 characters in the filename.

Great! That way I can name all new apps/versions/changes  ;)

henriette

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Aug 18th, 2012 at 8:52am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 17th, 2012 at 11:59am:
Modified my post. Better now ?

Perfect!  Thank you.

For emphasis, you can use the highlight function--you highlight the text you want to include using the mouse, and then click on the formatting button that's above the text box--the one with the capital *H* in it surrounded by yellow--5th button over from the right in the second row.

Or, using light blue shows up well--like the blue that the forum uses for showing a link.  Or light aqua.  Reds usually show well.  And, yellow would be okay on the forum's default light/dark grey background--but, if you use one of the other forum's color schemes, yellow can be a problem to see.



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 18th, 2012 at 4:43pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 6:14am:
That way I can name all new apps/versions/changes


If you desire you can also use an up to a 511 character "Description". This box is on the Options window. See pages 41 and 94 in the Userguide. Ignore the command line aspects. To view a Description in IFL GUI you would select the tbi file (start with the Restore menu) and click Information.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 18th, 2012 at 9:39pm
@ henriette

In an earlier post you mentioned the IFL text was rather small. When the CD first boots you are given the choice of four graphics modes. Try <3> or <4> and see which one you prefer. My guess is you will prefer <3>. But let us know your choice.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:03am
@ NightOwl


NightOwl wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 8:52am:
For emphasis, you can use the highlight function--you highlight the text you want to include using the mouse, and then click on the formatting button that's above the text box--the one with the capital *H* in it surrounded by yellow--5th button over from the right in the second row.

Or, using light blue shows up well--like the blue that the forum uses for showing a link.Or a light aqua. Reds usually show well. And, yellow would be okay on the forum's default light/dark grey background--but, if you use one of the other forum's color schemes, yellow can be a problem to see.

Hope I picked the ones you were talking about, although I'm not sure about *light aqua*
Thank you :=)

@ Brian


Brian wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 4:43pm:
If you desire you can also use an up to a 511 character "Description". This box is on the Options window. See pages 41 and 94 in the Userguide. Ignore the command line aspects. To view a Description in IFL GUI you would select the tbi file (start with the Restore menu) and click Information. 

I don't think I'll ever need 511 characters - up to 150 at best would do. For today's Differential I used 50.
Apart from that I keep a daily record of what I'm doing. So just a few infos + page# + date will do.


Brian wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 9:39pm:
In an earlier post you mentioned the IFL text was rather small. When the CD first boots you are given the choice of four graphics modes. Try <3> or <4> and see which one you prefer. My guess is you will prefer <3>. But let us know your choice. 

Yeah, that's what I see every time I boot from the CD.
I just let it run ....................................... lol.

Miss the Linux penguin --- would be cute  ;D

Will try <3> and <4>. There's something like "optimal" or so ...
Will try and let you know.

Two questions:

1. Is it ok to copy IFL backup images from external HD to internal HD (instead of creating twice) - or is there any possible loss of data ?

2. Do you ever defragment your external drives ?
---> asking because I have been warned of defragmenting big HDs  ::)

Ok, my mentors, *long time no see*, eh ?
Finished a differential an hour ago. All well, as you might have gathered from my *being silent*.

Had been busy also disabling Java > *the monster bug* ... wasn't all that easy with IE.

----> never saw adds on this forum before! Also the color palette takes long to load ...
How come ?

henriette  :)


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 30th, 2012 at 2:14pm
@ henriette

Good to see you back here. I was getting concerned.


henriette wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:03am:
Is it ok to copy IFL backup images from external HD to internal HD (instead of creating twice) -

No problems at all. Or internal to external. Creating images on an internal HD is faster than creating them on an external HD.



henriette wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:03am:
Do you ever defragment your external drives ?

Never.



henriette wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:03am:
Will try <3> and <4>.

I think you will like them. One or the other. My eyes are good and I use <1>. With <4> the IFL windows fills the monitor screen.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:50am
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
Good to see you back here. I was getting concerned.

You're always in my thoughts ,,,, don't worry about me ... until I'll try my 1st restore, LOL  ::) ... no, think it'll be ok. 
Ya know, I had an excellent Master ;)


Brian wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
henriette wrote on Yesterday at 15:03:12:

Is it ok to copy IFL backup images from external HD to internal HD (instead of creating twice) ?

No problems at all. Or internal to external. Creating images on an internal HD is faster than creating them on an external HD.

I'm aware of that, just too little free space on internal to keep all backup images there.


Brian wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
henriette wrote on Yesterday at 15:03:12:

Do you ever defragment your external drives ?

Never.

Good to know, thanks  [smiley=thumbup.gif]


Brian wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 9:39pm:
@henriette

In an earlier post you mentioned the IFL text was rather small. When the CD first boots you are given the choice of four graphics modes. Try <3> or <4> and see which one you prefer. My guess is you will prefer <3>. But let us know your choice. 

I prefer <3> - as you guessed  ;)
<4> is too big and *blurred* - might be my "poor" graphiccard.

Thanks a lot

henriette   :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:51pm
@ henriette

Just to let you know a new version of IFL was released a couple of days ago.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/upgradehist-image-for-linux.htm

I don't think the changes apply to you so it's not essential for you to download the new version. Unless you want to. I always get the latest version.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Sep 1st, 2012 at 8:30am
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:51pm:
Just to let you know a new version of IFL was released a couple of days ago. 


Brian wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:51pm:
I don't think the changes apply to you so it's not essential for you to download the new version. Unless you want to. I always get the latest version. 

I receive the newsletter too. ...
So when you think the changes don't apply to me I don't have to download the new version  ;)
(hard for me to judge by reading newsletters)  :-/

Thanks very much for letting me know.

henriette  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Oct 29th, 2012 at 9:25am
Hiya  :)

Since the subject is IFL images, I hope you allow me to post here:

2 weeks ago I was prompted to re-activate XP (1st time since I have XP!).
---> I afterwards found out that the ethernet card had died.

Meanwhile I saved the wpa.dbl file [C:\Windows\System32] to floppy AND I made a backup to a partition on 2nd HD, too.

My question now is:
When I restore an older image using IFL, will I be prompted again (re-activating) ?

If so - will it work to copy the wpa.dbl file to ... system32

AND check regedit >
LocalMachine\Software\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion
---> "RegDone" = "1" ?

Or won't that procedure be necessary  :-?

After re-activating XP I noticed that M$ had enabled 'this & that' - which I had tweaked/altered before  >:(

I'm still searching my computer for possible causes, cannot find everything though!

I also disabled *dumprep* (on startup) > see links below:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899870/en-us

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-files/several-problems-including-auto-open-path-on/29ab105b-d2d6-4c81-a9b1-377147b1a287 < see reply #3

Still my computer behaves somewhat slower in booting into windows (and such  ;D) since the re-activation, which I did via phone.

Forgot that possible 'workaround' in the heat of the moment  ::)

Yaya, that's M$. Should have known better!

henriette  :-/


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Oct 29th, 2012 at 10:54pm
@ henriette

Weird. An activation out of the blue. I've no idea whether an image restore would lead to the same issue but if it was my computer I'd restore an image taken prior to the suggested activation. That's my approach, something goes wrong, restore an image. You commented your computer isn't as fast now as it was prior to 2 weeks ago. Restore an image.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Oct 30th, 2012 at 4:40am

Brian wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 10:54pm:
@ henriette

Weird. An activation out of the blue. You commented your computer isn't as fast now as it was prior to 2 weeks ago. Restore an image.

Maybe M$ took it for a major modification when the network adapter was busted  (at least I did, cause the LED was still working - was right after I had turned on my computer in the a.m.)  ::)

I won't restore an image for the time being, although it may be interesting to see what will happen.

It's time for an Entire Drive Backup image, too.

On the other hand I don't want to wait too long with restoring ... will be too much work to get up-to-date.

I will let you know. Just give me some time. Will do further 'investigations' on DONALD  ;)

FYI: Doing welllll ... me and IFLLLLL  :)

henriette  :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Oct 30th, 2012 at 9:01am
@ henriette


Brian wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 10:54pm:
Weird. An activation out of the blue.

Well, probably not so *weird*!  Here's the best guide I've seen regarding Windows Product Activation (WPA):  Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP

If the NIC died, you loose *3 yes votes* that your copy of Windows is still on the same machine.  If a couple other things have been changed in the past, then loosing the NIC could be the *last straw that breaks the camel's back*!

But, what I see as possible even more *weird* is:


henriette wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 9:25am:
After re-activating XP I noticed that M$ had enabled 'this & that' - which I had tweaked/altered before

That doesn't seem reasonable or expected!  Was anything else going on at the same time just before or after the *Activation*?  Were you experimenting and making changes?


henriette wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 9:25am:
My question now is:
When I restore an older image using IFL, will I be prompted again (re-activating) ? 

Most likely the answer is *Yes*.  The WPA file that has the 3 votes from the old NIC card will not match the new setup with the new NIC card--so the same reactivation will be triggered.


henriette wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 9:25am:
If so - will it work to copy the wpa.dbl file to ... system32 

Probably not--for the same reason above!  Restoring the old WPA file works if you make changes that would trigger a reactivation that are temporary in nature.  If you restore to the old setup after triggering a reactivation event, then restoring the previous WPA file should cancel the requests for reactivating.

I have some other thoughts on this, but no time right now--I'll be back........





Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Oct 31st, 2012 at 7:54am

NightOwl wrote on Oct 30th, 2012 at 9:01am:
Brian wrote on Yesterday at 05:54:03:
Weird. An activation out of the blue.


Quote:
Well, probably not so *weird*!Here's the best guide I've seen regarding Windows Product Activation (WPA):
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

Thanks for the link - much appreciated ... WOW!!!

I purchased the WinXP-CD. The copy I use is an OEM, however.
Can't remember .. but think I've added SP3 to the original CD, which made it an OEM!
The only 'thing' I don't quite get in the link above is the paragraph about OEM  ... e.g if my present board dies > I have 'exactly' the same board + CPU in store ::)

** see below I replaced the (dead) NIC by an *identical* (same model) Realtek.
--> Same driver [plug & play], IP-address / subnet mask / standardgateway were already configured like before
(ipconfig /all).

note: I'm not very familiar to network tech. I have a WLAN router (WLAN > *tethered* (?) = disabled) + NIC.

---> WAN-IP address is different. To my knowledge given by my ISP. Does THAT fact make it - most likely - impossible to:
to copy the wpa.dbl file to ... system32

AND check regedit >
LocalMachine\Software\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion
---> "RegDone" = "1" ?


I also checked the wpa.dbl:
Originally it was 14kB. The *new* wpa.dbl is 2kB (steady).

I'd changed a lot of hardware in the past (HD, optical drive, graphics card, power supply < latter doesn't count according to the list). Never more than 2 at a time.


Quote:
Was anything else going on at the same time just before or after the *Activation*?  Were you experimenting and making changes?

Not really, I had opened the computer case, fumbled a bit - by that the NIC must have puffed its last puff  :P
No hardware changes made  >:(
You might call that fumbling *making changes* - if you will  ;D

Henriette wrote:
When I restore an older image using IFL, will I be prompted again (re-activating) ?

Quote:
Most likely the answer is *Yes*.The WPA file that has the 3 votes from the old NIC card will not match the new setup with the new NIC card--so the same reactivation will be triggered.

Despite what I wrote above ** ???

henriette wrote:
If so - will it work to copy the wpa.dbl file to ... system32 ?

Quote:
Probably not--for the same reason above!Restoring the old WPA file works if you make changes that would trigger a reactivation that are temporary in nature.If you restore to the old setup after triggering a reactivation event, then restoring the previous WPA file should cancel the requests for reactivating.



Quote:
I have some other thoughts on this, but no time right now--I'll be back........

Thank you so much. I'll wait patiently.

henriette  :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Oct 31st, 2012 at 10:18am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Oct 31st, 2012 at 7:54am:
I'll wait patiently.

I was rushing around yesterday getting ready for a 5 day trip out of town--hoped to have time to add my additional thoughts--but, just didn't get everything done as quickly as hoped--packing this morning--so will have to wait until next week for my additional comments.

Hope that doesn't try your patience too much!




Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Nov 1st, 2012 at 10:15am

NightOwl wrote on Oct 31st, 2012 at 10:18am:
I was rushing around yesterday getting ready for a 5 day trip out of town--hoped to have time to add my additional thoughts--but, just didn't get everything done as quickly as hoped--packing this morning--so will have to wait until next week for my additional comments.

Hope that doesn't try your patience too much!

There's no rush.
I created an up-to-date XP image today.
An Entire Drive Image is to follow.

Have a safe trip!

henriette  :)


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Nov 18th, 2012 at 2:02am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Oct 31st, 2012 at 7:54am:
I purchased the WinXP-CD. The copy I use is an OEM, however.
Can't remember .. but think I've added SP3 to the original CD, which made it an OEM!

Not sure what you are trying to say here!?  OEM = original equipment manufacturer.  So, if you buy a brand name computer from Dell, or Sony, or Gateway....etc., you are buying an OEM type of system.  The Windows installed on that type of machine by the OEM is considered an OEM Windows license and is often *locked* to that hardware--especially to the motherboard and its BIOS which has a specific motherboard ID associated with it.  You can buy a *retail* copy of Windows that will have its own product activation ID, and that can be installed on an OEM machine--that will work fine.  But, you can not transfer the OEM Windows to another system using the OEM license.  And you can not replace the motherboard on an OEM system with an *identical* motherboard and still use the OEM Windows license--because the replacement motherboard will have a different BIOS ID and will not match the original equipment *lock*.


henriette wrote on Oct 31st, 2012 at 7:54am:
I replaced the (dead) NIC by an *identical* (same model) Realtek.

Components may have the same *specifications*--but they are not *identical*.  Each NIC will have a specific MAC address that is unique to that particular NIC.  Each new NIC that you purchase and replace will have a different MAC address, and will be seen as a *different* NIC even if all other specifications are the same.

Same thing for CPU's--each will have a unique serial number ID, same for motherboard and its respective BIOS--unique ID's, HDDs will have unique IDs, etc.


henriette wrote on Oct 31st, 2012 at 7:54am:
I'd changed a lot of hardware in the past 

So, these changes are additive.  When you changed the NIC, you finally had made enough hardware changes that your system now no longer had enough *Yes* votes saying that it was the same system--and it triggered an activation event.


henriette wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 9:25am:
Still my computer behaves somewhat slower in booting into windows (and such) since the re-activation, which I did via phone.

Did you re-activate by phone by choice?  It sounds like you probably activated your original installation some time ago (greater than 120 days?)--if so, you should have been able to do the re-activation via the internet *automatically*--because after 120 days, you should not have been required to use the phone re-activation method.


henriette wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 9:25am:
After re-activating XP I noticed that M$ had enabled 'this & that' - which I had tweaked/altered before

As I mentioned before, this doesn't sound like what *normally* happens when an activation is done.  Activation for me has never done something like this!  All's that occurs is a file is placed on the machine that shows it's a valid WinXP installation--no settings are changed during the activation process.


henriette wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 9:25am:
Still my computer behaves somewhat slower in booting into windows 

So, the most common reason a computer boots slower is because something has changed as to what's being loaded during boot up--the more that is being loaded during boot, the more the system is being used and the CPU is being tied up with whatever is involved in the loading of those additional startup programs.

You mentioned: 


henriette wrote on Oct 29th, 2012 at 9:25am:
I also disabled *dumprep* (on startup) > see links below:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899870/en-us 

Are you getting a *Dumprep.exe error messages*?  Or, why did you mention this?

If you want to see what program(s) during boot are taking up the most time during boot, you can use that same tool mentioned in the above link: 


Quote:
Method 1: Use the System Configuration Utility to disable the Dumprep.exe tool

1.Click Start, click Run, type msconfig in the Open box, and then click OK.

2.Click the Startup tab.

In that *Startup Tab*, you can look through the list of programs being loaded and see if they are really needed or not.  If you don't recognize a program, you can Google it and find out it's function--often you can tell what the program is for by looking at it's path listed in the *Command* column.  You can temporarily disable the program during startup by unchecking it, appling the change, and then rebooting (you will get a message on the next re-boot that you have used the *msconfig* program to disable one or more programs to remind you that you have done this--if you don't want to see the reminder anymore, check the *don't remind* me box).  Many programs are not needed to be loaded during boot.  They often are being loaded to make starting a related program more quickly if you ever need it.  But, often times we never use the program that the startup program is for--at least not often.  So, it can be a waste of boot up time vs being able to load a program you rarely use faster.  Common examples are graphics card control programs and Adobe Reader.

If you want to re-enable the program(s), just run the msconfig program again and re-check the box(es) for those programs you want to load during startup.






Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Nov 18th, 2012 at 5:58am

NightOwl wrote on Nov 18th, 2012 at 2:02am:
OEM = original equipment manufacturer.

I'm somewhat confused:
I purchased "Windows XP Professional Edition OEM incl. SP3" - with sticker (Certificate) + Product Key (~ $ 140.- in 2009!).
I installed XP on my self built computer, after I had replaced the (main) HDD with W2k by a brandnew HDD.

Now: if the board and the CPU will fritz out, I have the 'same' [not *identical* < that's why I used the **] board & CPU in store.
Will the below apply in that case ???


NightOwl wrote on Nov 18th, 2012 at 2:02am:
you can not replace the motherboard on an OEM system with an *identical* motherboard and still use the OEM Windows license--because the replacement motherboard will have a different BIOS ID and will not match the original equipment *lock*.

According to the above: Worst case > My board & CPU would be dead one fine morning!
What am I supposed to do then ???
NO replacement possible | NO more *retail* XP available  :o
What *XP* do I really HAVE  :-?


NightOwl wrote on Nov 18th, 2012 at 2:02am:
Did you re-activate by phone by choice?It sounds like you probably activated your original installation some time ago (greater than 120 days?)--if so, you should have been able to do the re-activation via the internet *automatically*--because after 120 days, you should not have been required to use the phone re-activation method.

That's a misunderstanding.
---> AFTER I had turned on my computer, I got the "good morning"  ;D message that I had to re-activate because my system had changed significantly.

T'was THEN that I noticed that I had no access to the internet, and something must be wrong "networkwise".
I was given the choice to re-activate via internet (which of course didn't work)  and using the phone re-activation method.
I had to choose the latter.

Note: I NEVER had to re-activate XP before that day since the original activation in 2009.

AFTER the re-activation I detected that the NIC was dead - although the LEDs was still working. < hence the delay in finding out!
It's been the dead NIC that had triggered an activation event !!


NightOwl wrote on Nov 18th, 2012 at 2:02am:
no settings are changed during the activation process.

I dunno why a few settings had changed. Maybe TuneUpUtilities ^didn't like it^  ;D
Meanwhile it's all *repaired*.  ;)


NightOwl wrote on Nov 18th, 2012 at 2:02am:
Are you getting a *Dumprep.exe error messages*?Or, why did you mention this?

No errors. I mentioned the deactivation since I've read that it causes high HDD activity (e.g.) - it's recommended to disable it.

I used *msconfig* to accomplish that.

By now I've created backup images of XP AND an up-to-date Entire Drive Image.

I cannot tell for sure (who can ?) if my present system is absolutely clean of viruses and bugs.
That's why I kept all images, of which the older ones (prior to the re-activation) cannot be used anymore  :(

On the other hand - the system works fine for the time being, particularly since the November Patch Day:
2 patches > they fixed the icons in the taskbar - don't ask me how come ;) [had been wrong icons every now & then, could fix it temporarily (= till reboot) only with TuneupUtilities]

henriette  :)






Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:44am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Nov 18th, 2012 at 5:58am:
I purchased "Windows XP Professional Edition OEM incl. SP3" - with sticker (Certificate) + Product Key (~ $ 140.- in 2009!).
I installed XP on my self built computer, after I had replaced the (main) HDD with W2k by a brandnew HDD.

Well, if the label says its an OEM version--I'm not sure what to say--the fact that you have a Product Key that allowed you to install Windows on your self built system, and it was activated way back when without a warning that your copy of Windows was not *Genuine*--your description is that of a *retail* version of Windows.

So, I would not worry about your motherboard dieing.  You should be able to re-install Windows and activate it without worry.  An OEM version of Windows has one or more files that *locks* the OEM version of Windows to the motherboard BIOS--the OEM manufacturer would have to *change the lock* if you were having to replace the motherboard that came on an OEM system.  But, your system is *NOT* an OEM system!  The OEM manufacturer has to make specific changes to establish the *lock*--and you are not in that situation.

Besides, if you have a recent Ghost backup, and if the replacement motherboard has the same specifications (not *identical*--it will have a unique BIOS ID)--you should be able to simply attach you current HDD and all should continue to run well--may just need to re-activate again.

If your HDD died along with the motherboard, then you would restore the Ghost backup after replacing everything, and everything should be okay.

If you replace with a substantially different motherboard (especially changes to the HDD controller type or brand--then things get more difficult.  If you have a new HDD and new controllers, you can transfer the Ghost image to the new HDD, and you can attempt a *repair* install to get Windows to detect and update the software needed to communicate with the new hardware.  This is full of potential pitfalls--success is questionable at best.  I have done it twice--once successfully and the other *not so much*--I now know that I might have been successful if I had tried a different series of steps--but I never went back to see if I could be successful with that different set of steps.  There's some information that says if you have updated your Internet Explorer above v6.xx, the repair install may fail--the repair install software (it's on the installation CD--so one would have to update the CD--and Microsoft doesn't do that!) has not been updated by Microsoft to take into account the more recent Internet Explorer versions.

But, you are now using Image for DOS.  There is a *bare metal* re-install of its image file that can address installing to another motherboard that has different drivers required compared to the original source motherboard system that the image was taken from.  So, you can probably transfer your current system to the new motherboard using their repair software that can add the needed drivers for the new motherboard system.

All of the this is *advanced* stuff--and you probably will never need to use it.  Don't worry about it for now!  If it becomes necessary--we can probably walk you through the necessary steps. 

Just keep making your regular image backups!


henriette wrote on Nov 18th, 2012 at 5:58am:
T'was THEN that I noticed that I had no access to the internet, and something must be wrong "networkwise".
I was given the choice to re-activate via internet (which of course didn't work)and using the phone re-activation method.
I had to choose the latter.

My mistake!!!  You had already explained that, but I was focused on the other aspects of the problems you were mentioning--and it just did not register in my foggy brain!



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Nov 21st, 2012 at 6:55am

NightOwl wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:44am:
the fact that you have a Product Key that allowed you to install Windows on your self built system, and it was activated way back when without a warning that your copy of Windows was not *Genuine*--your description is that of a *retail* version of Windows.

So, I would not worry about your motherboard dieing.You should be able to re-install Windows and activate it without worry.

That's wonderful news <relieved>

---> wondering, anyhow, how OEM could be RETAIL at (more or less) the same time ---  but there was no manufacturer who made any changes to establish the *lock*, in my case  ;)
That should explain it.


NightOwl wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:44am:
if you have a recent Ghost backup, and if the replacement motherboard has the same specifications (not *identical*--it will have a unique BIOS ID)--you should be able to simply attach you current HDD and all should continue to run well--may just need to re-activate again.
   
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NightOwl wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:44am:
If your HDD died along with the motherboard, then you would restore the Ghost backup after replacing everything, and everything should be okay.
   
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NightOwl wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:44am:
you are now using Image for DOS.

I've been using IFL (Linux) for some time now.


NightOwl wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:44am:
If you replace with a substantially different motherboard ...

If the "same" motherboard (got it from Ebays) works, I would not have to replace the present one by a different motherboard.

I really do hope that my present motherboard will be o.k. for another x years. You never know ...  ::)


NightOwl wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:44am:
All of this is *advanced* stuff--and you probably will never need to use it.Don't worry about it for now!If it becomes necessary--we can probably walk you through the necessary steps.

IF it becomes necessary ... I could not ask you, since NO Windows, no second computer ,,,, that's why I posted possible (future) problems in advance  ;)


NightOwl wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:44am:
Just keep making your regular image backups!

Will do  :)

Thank you SO much for making me feel lots better now.
I had been really concerned.

henriette  :-*  :-*  :-*




Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:09am
Hiya  :)

Since there was no result searching for IFL (Img for Linux) on this forum, and we discussed it here already.

I have *IFL (Gui!) v. 2.73*.

I love it! Works excellent!

However, I don't recall if we ever talked about the following:

My present primary HDD [size 500GB, NTFS, 5 partitions].
If - I had to replace the above HDD, I only have 400GB HDDs ['brandnew'  ;D] as replacement!
All of my HDDs are EIDE/PATA (oldies like me).

I've read the 'ifl_en_manual.pdf'. It's far too complicated for me to understand.
It reads e.g.: "command lines ...", "Boot into BootIt Bare Metal" etc. etc. :P

--> Image for Linux (GUI!) - how to

Mount (?) and resize a new unallocated SMALLER harddisk > restore *EntireDrive image* ... easiest way for me  :-?

>>>> Attachment *.txt - manual.pdf is too long, not accepted.

I hope that BRIAN will read this post, because he taught me all about IFL - not forgetting NIGHTOWL  8-)

[sorry about my English - I'm out of practice  ::)]

henriette


http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=drives_partitions_fs.txt (3 KB | 191 )

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:27am
@ henriette

Hi--how are you doing--must be *okay* because we haven't heard from you lately--welcome back for more.......  ;)

I'm sure Brian will see this and be along--he sometimes goes on extended *fishing* trips--but, he gets back eventually....he will have the definitive answer for this software.

But, I'm betting you don't have to to anything *manually* if you are doing a *whole drive* restore from a *whole drive* image file.  Most likely you simply select the HDD that is the destination, select the image file, and tell the IFL to restore *whole drive* and the program will just do it. 

There has to be enough room on the smaller HDD to hold the data.  I know when using Ghost 2003, after selecting the destination HDD and the source image file, you are given a summary of how Ghost is going to resize the partitions on the destination HDD (whether it's smaller or larger).  You can make any size adjustments that the data size will allow for each partition.  Once done with that you select *Next* and confirm the restore and proceed.

I don't know if IFL has that same ability or not.  If not--you could *manually* partition the new smaller HDD to the size partitions you want (again the size of the data has to fit in each new partition), and then restore each partition separately into each new HDD partition from the image.  Again, I'm not sure IFL lets you do *Partition from Whole Drive Image* restores--but Ghost 2003 does.

Let's see what Brian has to say....



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:35pm
@ henriette

As NightOwl indicated, it should be easy. Do an Entire Drive restore and include these Options...

   Scale to Fit
   Align to Target

Or you could restore the partitions one at a time to unallocated space and ask IFL to resize the restored partition to your selected size as you go.

Fortunately, your attachment doesn't apply. Everything is done from IFL (GUI).
 
NighOwl mentions having enough space on the new HD to hold the data. In addition, IFL differs from Ghost 2003 in that it does a sector based rather than a file based restore. So 300 GB of data in a 500 GB partition might not fit in a 400 GB partition.

If  your original partition was....( * is sectors in use, - is free space)

[---**----**--]

then the target partition to restore into can not be smaller than...

[---**----**]


Hopefully this doesn't apply to you. It certainly does to people who want to clone their OS from a 1 TB partition to a small SSD. Here's what they need to do...

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=554

By the way, the latest version of IFL is 2.82a

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/upgradehist-image-for-linux.htm

https://terabyteunlimited.com/product-download.php






Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 8th, 2013 at 9:12am

NightOwl wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:27am:
Hi--how are you doing--must be *okay* because we haven't heard from you lately--welcome back for more.......

Thanks for welcoming me.
Each time I'm using IFL I am thinking of you and Brian ... you're always *with me* - so to speak :-*


Brian wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Do an Entire Drive restore and include these Options...

Scale to Fit
Align to Target

Include ??? Where exactly are those options (have to add it to my *instruction.docs)  :-?
*Scale to Fit* + *Align to Tareget* = IFL does it automatically ??


Brian wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Or you could restore the partitions one at a time to unallocated space and ask IFL to resize the restored partition to your selected size as you go.

Somehow I can't see the difference between the 2 options above - unless in option 1 it's 'automatically', and in option 2 I select the size of each partition, eh  :-?
In latter case I'd say option 2 is the one I need, yeah!

Just to give you some details of the HDDs (sizes taken from Disk Management):

Present HDD (WD5000AAKB-00H8A0) = 500GB [after formatting 465.76GB]. 5 partitions.

Partition sizes
C:\ [XP] = 14.65GB
D:\ [music] = 410.28GB
E:\ [Email] = 7.81GB
F:\ [EXEs+Treiber+] = 15.63GB
G:\ [Videos] = 17.39GB

New HDD (Seagate Barracuda ST3400620A) = 400GB [after formatting ~ 360GB - estimated by support!].

Now, the partition sizes would become pretty much the same as now, EXCEPT D:\ - where I'd *cut off* 110GB > 300GB instead of 410GB now.
I do hope 110GB will be enough, taken the "rough estimation" of 360GB! > C:\!!! >>> see below.

D:\ [music] = used space is only 130GB, at present ... so the data will easily fit in a 300GB partition.

Quite another problem: Is it possible to resize the partitions, starting with partition G:\  ...meaning > last partition first and first partition last ???
That would ensure that ALL of the remaining space would go to C:\ [XP] - must be 15GB to leave enough space!!!!!!
(and thereby, also, the whole capacity of the HDD is being used).
MIND: I don't want the remaining space on G:\!!!!!
And I'd prefer NOT to have to resize the partitions after the *Entire Drive image* restore.


NightOwl wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:27am:
do *Partition from Whole Drive Image* restores--but Ghost 2003 does.

Yes, NightOwl, two years ago I restored an *Entire Drive image* with Ghost 2003, after my old HDD had crashed.  :o

All went well thanks to you, who taught me how to, and thank goodness I had asked you in time > written a *.doc + printed it   :-*

This time I had been thinking about restoring C:\ ONLY,,  on a new HDD -> SEAGATE 400GB.
Then copy the other data to each partition.
It's a possibility, yes, but it's not as *comfortable* as  to restore the *Entire Drive image* (IFL) in one go .. more or less, lol.


Brian wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
SSD

I _still_ have EIDE/PATA HDDs, no SSDs (don't think I ever will ... ).
So the link doesn't apply to me, does it ?


Brian wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:35pm:
By the way, the latest version of IFL is 2.82a

I know, I'm receiving the newsletters.

Do I really need a higher version than 2.73  :-? :-? :-?

It's great being back here ... missed you guys  ;D

henriette 





Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 9th, 2013 at 3:09am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 9:12am:
Include ??? Where exactly are those options (have to add it to my *instruction.docs)Huh
*Scale to Fit* + *Align to Tareget* = IFL does it automatically ??


They are in the IFL Options screen.


henriette wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 9:12am:
Somehow I can't see the difference between the 2 options above

An Entire Drive restore means IFL does one restore. Restoring individual partitions means IFL does five restores.


henriette wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 9:12am:
Do I really need a higher version than 2.73

See http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/upgradehist-image-for-linux.htm

TeraByte Support says, "It's recommended that all users upgrade to this version."



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 9th, 2013 at 7:14am

Brian wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 3:09am:
An Entire Drive restore means IFL does one restore. Restoring individual partitions means IFL does five restores.

Which option would you advice me  :-?
Would you mind to add the steps to the instruction below ?


Brian wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 3:09am:
TeraByte Support says, "It's recommended that all users upgrade to this version."

I've downloaded:
1. IFL v.2.82a (GUI), WITH_Networking.
2. IFL v.2.82a (GUI), WithOUT_Networking.

Which one do I need ?
I assume that the versions are compatible to earlier versions!

Then (Brian's instruction) > To make an IFL (gui) boot disk for a WinXP system...

double click makedisk.exe, next
Default Settings
dot in I accept the agreement, next
enter Producy Key, next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc).
Or USB flash drive.
Finish

ok ?

Here's the next instruction:

To restore an Entire Drive image stored on a USB external HD... Using IFL (gui)

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the image
tick in Entire Drive
Linux
ATA.... (sda) (Be careful here that you are restoring the image to the correct HD)
Yes to the Warning (There won't be a warning if the target HD is empty)
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
First Track Sectors AUTO
Start

Now, where do the options - also for resizing etc. - come in ABOVE ?

IS there a possibility to resize the last partition first and the first partition last ?

Note: I dare not try a *simulation* of restoring --- when would I cancel without causing any damage  :P

Thank you so much for the effort of teaching me *bit-by-bit*

henriette  :-*


Edited by NightOwl:  henriette--are you using the *default* forum colors--the one with dark greys and black for a background?  The dark blue color i.e. *color=#0000ff* is very hard to read on the black or dark grey background.  Light Blue is much easier (or is that turquoise?), as is Bright Yellow.

If you're not using the default grey/black background forum colors, then your dark blue may be appearing much easier to read in one of the other possible forum color styles that can be selected in your User CP (Control Panel).

I edited your above post with the changed colors--how do those look in your forum color scheme?

If I put all the above editing in a *Edit* box which uses a light grey background--then the Dark Blue shows up fine, but does not *stand out* from the black text color as much.  And the Light Blue is harder to see:

[edit]Edited by NightOwl:  henriette--are you using the *default* forum colors--the one with dark greys and black for a background?  The dark blue color i.e. *color=#0000ff* is very hard to read on the black background.  Light Blue is much easier (or is that turquoise?), as is Bright Yellow.
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Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 9th, 2013 at 10:02am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:09am:
My present primary HDD [size 500GB, NTFS, 5 partitions].
If - I had to replace the above HDD, I only have 400GB HDDs ['brandnew'] as replacement!All of my HDDs are EIDE/PATA (oldies like me).


and


Quote:
Note: I dare not try a *simulation* of restoring --- when would I cancel without causing any damage


Okay, so you are not looking at this scenario correctly! 

No, you probably do not want to restore an image to your currently installed active *production* 500 GB HDD if you are unsure of the possibility of success because you have never tried it, and you are unsure which *options* to select as part of a restore!

But, you have a *spare* 400 GB HDD!

Yes, it takes a little effort--but you will gain much in confidence if you do the following:  create your backup image of your 500 GB HDD, shut the system down, remove the 500 GB HDD and put the 400 GB HDD in its place, now do a test restore to the 400 GB HDD.  After the restore, re-boot using that 400 GB HDD to the OS and make sure everything is working okay! 

Actually, do multiple restores using the different options--i.e. do a *whole disk* restore, and then do a *partition by partition* restore to see how the options work differently.  After the restore, re-boot from the newly restored 400 GB HDD to test that everything is working correctly.  Each time you do a different restore type procedure, it should be over-writing the previous restore that you used.

Now, you will have *real life* experiences to refer to!  If you run into a problem--you can post a question here about a *real life* problem that you are having.  You can spend an awful lot of time twirling things in your head about *what if*--but, you will never know until you get down and dirty by actually doing the deed!

When you are all done testing the HDD replacement scenarios, shut down, remove the 400 GB HDD and put it on the shelf, replace your 500 GB HDD, re-boot and you now have confidence that you can recover your system to that spare HDD in the future!

(Advanced consideration:  some folks run into issues regarding restoring images to a *used* HDD and what Master Boot Record is in place.  This may come into play if the HDD had been used on different systems and the image restores have been from different OS versions. 

There are ways to truly *zero* the Master Boot Record of the HDD so it appears to be a brand new, off the shelf HDD.  If you are restoring images to the HDD that has only been used on your one system, and you are not changing from one OS to a new one, then it is unlikely there will ever be any problem with this.

But, like I said, there are ways to deal with this if it's ever necessary--but most likely you don't have to worry about this at all!)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 9th, 2013 at 4:01pm
@ henriette

Excellent idea from NightOwl. Use your 400 GB HD to actually do the restores. A great way to learn.


henriette wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 7:14am:
1. IFL v.2.82a (GUI), WITH_Networking.
2. IFL v.2.82a (GUI), WithOUT_Networking.

Which one do I need ?


It doesn't matter which one you use. I use the first one as I occasionally use networking.


henriette wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 7:14am:
Now, where do the options - also for resizing etc. - come in ABOVE ?


On the same screen where you see the Validate options. The new options I mentioned in this thread aren't needed if you are restoring an Entire drive image to the same HD. They are only needed if you are restoring an Entire drive image to a new HD that is a different size from the old HD.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 9th, 2013 at 8:42pm
Some info on the Scale to Fit option with an Entire drive restore...


Quote:
Scale to Fit – On FAT, FAT32, NTFS, or EXT 2/3/4 file systems, selecting this option will make Image for Linux assume that the size of the original hard drive is based on the location of the end of the last partition; Image for Linux then applies the same scaling to the target hard drive. If any unpartitioned space existed at the end of the source drive, that unpartitioned space won’t exist on the target drive after you restore your image. This option has no effect on images restored to hard drives using other file systems.



Quote:
Automatic Scaling Restrictions

Disables scaling of partitions that are the lesser of 1/8 the drive size or 15GiB when Scale to Fit or Scale to Target are used.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 10th, 2013 at 5:14am

Brian wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
It doesn't matter which one you use. I use the first one as I occasionally use networking.

Ok, then I'll take *IFL v.2.82a (GUI), WITH_Networking*.


Brian wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
Excellent idea from NightOwl. Use your 400 GB HD to actually do the restores. A great way to learn.

Yeah, I'll have to dig the 400GB HDD out from wherever I stored it years ago - packed in boxes + plastic-wrapped non-transparent ;D

Where do the options come in:

Brian wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
On the same screen where you see the Validate options. The new options I mentioned in this thread aren't needed if you are restoring an Entire drive image to the same HD. They are only needed if you are restoring an Entire drive image to a new HD that is a different size from the old HD. 

AH! Thanks a lot  ;) I wouldn't have known.


Brian wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 8:42pm:
Scale to Fit option with an Entire drive restore


Brian wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 8:42pm:
selecting this option will make Image for Linux assume that the size of the original hard drive is based on the location of the end of the last partition; Image for Linux then applies the same scaling to the target hard drive. If any unpartitioned space existed at the end of the source drive, that unpartitioned space won’t exist on the target drive after you restore your image.

I don't get that ...  read it over & over ... what exactly does it mean regarding the partition sizes of MY new 400GB HDD - AND in what order will the partitions be resized ... or is there no need at all to resize in my case ... ?
Meaning > since D:\ will be 300GB instead of presently 410GB, the data, however, are only 130GB > NO need for resizing ?
And to which partition will the remaining space be *reallocated*  :-[ Please let me know the answer to this subject, which I've asked twice, already].


Brian wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 8:42pm:
Automatic Scaling Restrictions

Disables scaling of partitions that are the lesser of 1/8 the drive size or 15GiB when Scale to Fit or Scale to Target are used. 

:-? 

I lack that (among other things) ...


NightOwl wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 10:02am:
You can spend an awful lot of time twirling things in your head about *what if*--but, you will never know until you get down and dirty by actually doing the deed!

How can I even try a restore without the basic knowledge!

I'm truly sorry for my lack in understanding ...

henriette :-[









Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 10th, 2013 at 6:39am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 10th, 2013 at 5:14am:
And to which partition will the remaining space be *reallocated*

You have two partitions smaller than 15 GB. These will not be resized. The other three will be resized smaller but you will have to do the restore to see how it works. There will not be "remaining space" as the whole 360 GB will be used. If you don't like the result you can restore the 5 partitions individually and choose your own restored partition size. Obviously the 5 partitions must not exceed 360 GB (your figure).


henriette wrote on Jul 10th, 2013 at 5:14am:
How can I even try a restore without the basic knowledge!

It's time to start experimenting. There is no danger as your primary HD won't be in the computer. I'd start with an Entire drive restore. Let us know what happens.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 11th, 2013 at 4:26am
@ henriette

Is the experiment going well? Any news for us?

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 11th, 2013 at 10:02am
@Brian
Please see attachment. What's missing in there ?

In order to have an *orientation* - and to feel save in what I'm doing - I'd be more than thankful if you would add the necessary steps to the following instruction:

To restore an Entire Drive image stored on a USB external HD... Using IFL (gui)

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the image
tick in Entire Drive
Linux
ATA.... (sda) (Be careful here that you are restoring the image to the correct HD)
Yes to the Warning (There won't be a warning if the target HD is empty)
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
First Track Sectors AUTO
Start


Brian wrote on Jul 10th, 2013 at 6:39am:
You have two partitions smaller than 15 GB. These will not be resized. The other three will be resized smaller but you will have to do the restore to see how it works. There will not be "remaining space" as the whole 360 GB will be used. If you don't like the result you can restore the 5 partitions individually and choose your own restored partition size. Obviously the 5 partitions must not exceed 360 GB (your figure).

The above options have to be included!


Brian wrote on Jul 10th, 2013 at 6:39am:
It's time to start experimenting. There is no danger as your primary HD won't be in the computer. I'd start with an Entire drive restore. Let us know what happens.


I will do. Haven't found the 400GB HD, yet! Got to dig in the basement ... x possibilities ... and x hours/days of digging  ::)

henriette   
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=IFL_Manual_Excerpts_Rest_New_HDD_hen.txt (6 KB | 199 )

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 11th, 2013 at 4:29pm
@ henriette

Sure. An Entire drive restore to a new HD that's a different size from the old HD.....

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the image
tick in Entire Drive
Linux
ATA.... (sda) (Be careful here that you are restoring the image to the correct HD)
Yes to the Warning (There won't be a warning if the target HD is empty)
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Scale to Fit
put a tick in Align to Target
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
First Track Sectors AUTO
Start

The attachment looks fine but it reminded me of something. The sector spread in your large partition can be determined by.....

When you are next in IFL,
click Backup
Full Backup
Linux
sda
select the Music partition and click Information (bottom of window)
What are the top 3 numbers?
MiB Used
MiB Free
MiB to Restore

Regarding safety. When you do the restore you will only have the 400 GB HD in your computer. You could make a mistake in EVERY step and it wouldn't matter. It can be fixed. It's only your test HD.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 12th, 2013 at 9:41am
@ henriette


NightOwl wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 10:02am:
You can spend an awful lot of time twirling things in your head about *what if*--but, you will never know until you get down and dirty by actually doing the deed!



henriette wrote on Jul 10th, 2013 at 5:14am:
How can I even try a restore without the basic knowledge!

I'm truly sorry for my lack in understanding ...

Nothing to be *sorry* about!


I truly did not mean to disparage you--or suggest that you should not continue to ask questions.

For me, it's standard practice whenever I setup a new system to include a spare HDD in my purchasing.  And before I do anything, I create a backup of the current main HDD in use, using Ghost or whatever other imaging program that I intend to use on that system.

I then replace that HDD with the spare and determine if I am able to restore that initial image to the spare HDD.  That is the only way of ever knowing (for sure) if there are going to be any software/hardware incompatibilities, error messages, or selection of options that I don't understand or behave in a manner I did not expect.

I test whole drive restores and partition restores to prove that it all works--or find anything that does not. 

We have had a fair number of forum posters who have been using an imaging program--sometimes for years--who never tested if they can actually rely on their backups--and then find when the sh*t hits the fan that they can not successfully restore their backup--and in panic, they are posting here.

A very common mistake is where folks don't take the extra time to run a validation of an image to determine if the imaging software confirms that it thinks the image file is valid and useable for a restore.

But, actually restoring an image to a spare HDD, in my opinion, is a must!  You just don't know if it will work unless you have tried it!

And, again it's my opinion, you can never really *learn* if you understand the software and all its settings until you have demonstrated that you can successfully do the deed.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 13th, 2013 at 12:06pm
Hiya dear friends  :)

Sorry for the delay! Had big trouble with my email client & such. My damned ISP *supported* xxxxxx users with faked (!) access data and ports. Trying to have us use THEIR software (email client) !!! But after some hrs I did it - my way  ;)


Brian wrote on Jul 11th, 2013 at 4:29pm:
The attachment looks fine but it reminded me of something. The sector spread in your large partition can be determined by.....
When you are next in IFL,
click Backup
Full Backup
Linux
sda
select the Music partition and click Information (bottom of window)
What are the top 3 numbers?
MiB Used
MiB Free
MiB to Restore


MiB Used  = 132347
MiB Free = 287783
MiB to Restore = 210151   
The above is partition D:\[music].

Overview all partitions:

C:\[XP]
MiB Used  = 9889
MiB Free  = 5117
MiB to Restore  = 10627

E:\[emails]
MiB Used  = 1140
MiB Free  = 6854
MiB to Restore  = 4032

F:\[Exes++]
MiB Used  = 6509
MiB Free  = 9493
MiB to Restore  = 8075

G:\[videos]
MiB Used  = 9371
MiB Free  = 8436
MiB to Restore  = 9892


Brian wrote on Jul 11th, 2013 at 4:29pm:
It's only your test HD

That doesn't mean that I don't have to be careful.
I had 4 RMAs with WD HDDs <  defective on receipt.

Another big problem/question:

http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

> "The WPA system checks ten categories of hardware:

    Display Adapter
    SCSI Adapter
    IDE Adapter (effectively the motherboard)
    Network Adapter (NIC) and its MAC Address
    RAM Amount Range (i.e., 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc.)
    Processor Type
    Processor Serial Number
    Hard Drive Device
    Hard Drive Volume Serial Number (VSN)
    CD-ROM / CD-RW / DVD-ROM"

Would the different VSN of the new HDD be a problem relating to the YES votes ?
I have an OEM version of Windows XP professional, not sure if another activation would be possible ...  :P

I also created a *Differential Entire Drive Image* > same folder, of course, as the *Entire Drive Image*.
Now: Could I use that one OR would I need an *Entire Drive Image* ONLY for restoring it to a new HDD ?

External drives:
Would it matter if I shut down the computer while the drive is plugged to the USB port ?
> can any data get lost ?
I'm asking, because I do that each time I'm using (e.g.) IFL. I HAVE to power my PC down, to then start it new.


NightOwl wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 9:41am:
I truly did not mean to disparage you--or suggest that you should not continue to ask questions.

I know you didn't   ;)
Replacing a HDD is a days' job! My computer case is "ancient" > I have to unscrew/disconnect/remove almost every other hardware - incl. the Power Supply - to even remove the old HDD. Then replace it by a new one.
I do, however, totally agree with you: learning by doing was and is the best one can do!


NightOwl wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 9:41am:
And, again it's my opinion, you can never really *learn* if you understand the software and all its settings until you have demonstrated that you can successfully do the deed.

--> I could handle Ghost2003 quite well. The fact that Ghost won't accept/show any external drives made me take IFL.

IFL, however, works differently. There's no *partition to partition* or *whole drive* "term" as such - in its Gui.
For me there are a lot more steps to do. Won't help me if I just sitttt in front of the GUI not knowing what to tick or do, understand ?

This post might give you an idea of what haunts me at nights ... and days ;D

Thank you for being so kind & helpful, folks!
henriette  :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 13th, 2013 at 4:51pm
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 12:06pm:
MiB Used= 132347
MiB Free = 287783
MiB to Restore = 210151
The above is partition D:\[music].

Good news. The smallest partition that Music can be restored into is 210151 MiB which is fine for your 400 GB HD. The restored size will not be that figure. It will be around 80% of (287783+132347).


Quote:
> "The WPA system checks ten categories of hardware:

Don't worry about that with a single HD change. Nothing will happen to your Activation.


Quote:
also created a *Differential Entire Drive Image* > same folder, of course, as the *Entire Drive Image*.
Now: Could I use that one OR would I need an *Entire Drive Image* ONLY for restoring it to a new HDD ?

You could use either but for this test, use the full Entire Drive Image.


Quote:
xternal drives:
Would it matter if I shut down the computer while the drive is plugged to the USB port ?
> can any data get lost ?
I'm asking, because I do that each time I'm using (e.g.) IFL. I HAVE to power my PC down, to then start it new.

That's OK. Do you right click the IFL desktop and choose Power Down?


Quote:
I have to unscrew/disconnect/remove almost every other hardware - incl. the Power Supply - to even remove the old HDD

That's terrible. Can you simply unplug the old HD while it is still screwed in and plug both cables into the 400 GB HD while it is hanging free in the computer? That's what I do with difficult hardware.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:58am
H"eye" > lol, right eye is *out of order* ... hope drops will kick in soon  ;)


Brian wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
Good news. The smallest partition that Music can be restored into is 210151 MiB which is fine for your 400 GB HD. The restored size will not be that figure. It will be around 80% of (287783+132347).

Did you tell me already when exactly (and where!) to select the *resizing* of each partition ?
Plus what sizeS should I type in ?


The point is: those 360GB, estimated by Seagate phone support, isn't reliable - but probable.
However, the actual size might be somewhat bigger.
To be on the safe side I'd take 360GB as *actual size*.

Question: How will IFL handle the sizes ... when I type in the size for each partition, what sizes should I type ?
C:\ =, D:\ = , E:\ = , F:\ = , G:\ = (in Mib) - in order to having used up the full capacity of the HDD with NO remaining space!  ... given that C:\ = 15GB (maybe a few GB more), and G:\ same size as now
:-/ :-? 


Brian wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
Don't worry about that with a single HD change. Nothing will happen to your Activation.

I've changed some hardware + HDD already.
That's why I asked for the °remaining° YES votes  ::)


Brian wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
for this test, use the full Entire Drive Image.

You mean: A seperate NEW *Entire Drive Image* - I suppose ?
Wouldn't be a problem  :)

External drive(s):

Brian wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
Do you right click the IFL desktop and choose Power Down?

Sometimes yes - sometimes reboot only.
> After an *Entire Drive Image* I choose Power Down.

Computer case:

Brian wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
That's terrible. Can you simply unplug the old HD while it is still screwed in and plug both cables into the 400 GB HD while it is hanging free in the computer? That's what I do with difficult hardware.

Yes, that's what I was thinking about.
IF the IDE cable is long enough. Anyway, I have to unplug more than the HDD to get that done.

Do you think the HDD needs cooling ... I'd place it beside the PC. "hanging free IN the computer" isn't possible (lack of space, although a Big Tower).

I have a doc's appointment tomorrow. Also have to wait till my eye is ok. Plus I'd need painkillers to be able to bend down (old bones & such).

btw: I forgot to mention that I FINALLY found the 400GB HDD!
Was in the basement - behind other computer stuff.

henriette <presently one-eyed> 

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 14th, 2013 at 4:37am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:58am:
Did you tell me already when exactly (and where!) to select the *resizing* of each partition ?
Plus what sizeS should I type in ?

Resize is on the same screen as Options. If you do a multiple individual partition restore, you only have to resize Music. Make it 120 GB smaller. But we suggest you restore an Entire drive image as you don't have to select any resizing. It's done automatically.


henriette wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:58am:
Question: How will IFL handle the sizes ... when I type in the size for each partition, what sizes should I type ?

See above.


henriette wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:58am:
You mean: A seperate NEW *Entire Drive Image* - I suppose ?

No, use a recent one.


henriette wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:58am:
Do you think the HDD needs cooling ... 

No, I don't bother as it won't overheat. I leave the side off the computer if the hanging HD prevents the side from closing.


Quote:
The point is: those 360GB, estimated by Seagate phone support, isn't reliable - but probable.
However, the actual size might be somewhat bigger.
To be on the safe side I'd take 360GB as *actual size*.


400/1.024^3= 372.5
Windows will see that HD as 372.5 GiB.

http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/binary_v_decimal_measurement.htm





Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:32am
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
Can you simply unplug the old HD while it is still screwed in and plug both cables into the 400 GB HD while it is hanging free in the computer? That's what I do with difficult hardware.

I've done that frequently, too.  If there's room, I put a couple scrap pieces of demensional lumber (2 x 4", or 4 x 4" about 6-8 inches long)--stack one on another to get the HDD to *proper* height so it's flat next to the open case.  Just disconnect the power plug and the communication cable from the back of the installed HDD and plug those into the test HDD.

If it's *hanging* from the power and communication cables, make sure the underside is not touching anything conductive--a short to ground could possibly fry the electonics--that's the nice thing about putting it on a piece of wood--no conductive ground to worry about.


@ henriette



henriette wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:58am:
Do you think the HDD needs cooling ... 

There will be no overheating problem if the case cover is off--all the heat inside the computer will dissapate up and out--will not be *held inside*.  And, if the HDD is next to the case, hanging on the outside in some manner, there will be no heat build up at all--think external USB HDD--I have never had one overheat yet--some have a small ventilation fan--but most do not.


henriette wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:58am:
I'd place it beside the PC. "hanging free IN the computer" isn't possible 

I suspect you took Brian too literally.  When testing in this matter, I doubt he ever puts the cover back on until he's done, and the test HDD has been disconnected and put away.  I'll also bet that most of the time, he too has limited room to stuff the test HDD *inside* the case--I'd expect it to be to the outside of all the wires and add-on cards and mounting gages for the HDDs, optical drives, etc.--just close enough so the necessary cables can be connected to the hanging test HDD.


henriette wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:58am:
I've changed some hardware + HDD already.
That's why I asked for the °remaining° YES votes

Well, only you know what changes you have made!  You will have to add them up:

Windows Product Activation (WPA)



Quote:
What hardware gets checked?

The WPA system checks ten categories of hardware:

Display Adapter
SCSI Adapter
IDE Adapter (effectively the motherboard)
Network Adapter (NIC) and its MAC Address
RAM Amount Range (i.e., 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc.)
Processor Type
Processor Serial Number
Hard Drive Device
Hard Drive Volume Serial Number (VSN)
CD-ROM / CD-RW / DVD-ROM



Quote:
‘Is the same device still around, or has there never been one?’ Seven Yes votes means all is well — and a NIC, present originally and not changed, counts for three yes votes! Minor cards, like sound cards, don’t come into the mix at all. If you keep the motherboard, with the same amount of RAM and processor, and an always present cheap NIC (available for $10 or less), you can change everything else as much as you like.



Quote:
This is made easier if Windows XP Service Pack 1 has been installed: The system will continue to boot normally for three days, during which time you will be able to contact the activation center via the net. If the extra changes have been removed, or if 120 days have passed since the original activation, you will be able to use the automatic process once more

If you have not activated within the last 120 days, then the automatic re-activation will occur without having to call the re-activation center.  Also note above, it says if you undo the *extra changes* within the three day leeway period, then re-activation will not be triggered--so as soon as you disconnect the test HDD and reconnect your current internal production HDD, you return the *Yes* vote to the calculation and the re-activation process is canceled--assuming that one change did trigger a re-activation event.




henriette wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 12:06pm:
I have an OEM version of Windows XP professional, not sure if another activation would be possible ... 

Do you have the WinXP product code from your original purchase?  If, YES, then there should be no problem activating WinXP as many times as need be--even if you do have to call the activation center.


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 16th, 2013 at 8:37am
@ Brian


Brian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 4:37am:
we suggest you restore an Entire drive image as you don't have to select any resizing. It's done automatically.

Yayyyyyyyyyyy! Now, isn't that wonderful ...  :-*


Brian wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 4:37am:
400/1.024^3= 372.5
Windows will see that HD as 372.5 GiB.

Hehe, binary arithmetic  :)

@NightOwl


NightOwl wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:32am:
There will be no overheating problem if the case cover is off



NightOwl wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:32am:
I suspect you took Brian too literally.When testing in this matter, I doubt he ever puts the cover back on until he's done, and the test HDD has been disconnected and put away... 
 
Why certainly!  I'll leave the case cover off.  ;D

What hardware gets checked?

The WPA system checks ten categories of hardware:

Display Adapter
SCSI Adapter
IDE Adapter (effectively the motherboard)

Network Adapter (NIC) and its MAC Address !
>>> 3 votes!  NIC was the last hardware that I had to replace.
Before (!) replacing it on 10 Dec 2012 I HAD to re-activate ... (the NIC was *dead* although its LED was still working. Couldn't get online for re-activating. That fact had me think of a broken NIC or router).


RAM Amount Range (i.e., 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc.)
Processor Type
Processor Serial Number

Hard Drive Device
>>> both HDDs replaced - Nov 2011 > doesn't count.

Hard Drive Volume Serial Number (VSN) !
>>> how come it's listed here ? - If 1 vote per HDD, there can't be additional votes for the S/N! No S/N exists twice! ... eh ?????

CD-RW / DVD-ROM
>>> (both drives replaced - July 2010 + July 2011 > doesn't count.).

["doesn't count" above because of date!].

For the time being I should actually be at 7 yes votes ... IMHO.

[We had a discussion about re-activating my O/S on post #141 (page 8) on this thread.].


NightOwl wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:32am:
If you have not activated within the last 120 days, then the automatic re-activation will occur without having to call the re-activation center

:)


NightOwl wrote on Jul 14th, 2013 at 9:32am:
Also note above, it says if you undo the *extra changes* within the three day leeway period, then re-activation will not be triggered--so as soon as you disconnect the test HDD and reconnect your current internal production HDD, you return the *Yes* vote to the calculation and the re-activation process is canceled--assuming that one change did trigger a re-activation event.

AH!
I've been wondering ... (another *what if after*  ;D), when doing the following - my actual *procedures planned*:

The EIDE cable is too short!
So I'll have to disconnect both HDDs AND both optical drives. Then connect new HD to EIDE cable of my CD burner (is on top).
Then place new HD beside the PC, putting it on some non-conducting material + e.g. books underneath for proper height).
The above would mean that I disconnected 2HDs + 2 optical drives = 4 votes (according to NightOwl's post above - the votes will be be returned into YES votes ---->
After the restoring & checking I'd re-connect the *old* hardware again.  right ?  8-)

Thank you SO much, guys!

henriette  :-* :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:58am
@ henriette


Quote:
The EIDE cable is too short!

Buy a longer cable  ;) --they're cheap--a repair shop might even give you one if you asked--they probably throw out many every year!


Quote:
After the restoring & checking I'd re-connect the *old* hardware again.  right ?

Correct.  If you disconnect your network cable during your testing, then Windows will never be able to announce to the MS reactivation center that you have made any changes.  Once all the old stuff is reconnected, then there will be no changes noted and you can reconnect the network cable.


Quote:
Before (!) replacing it on 10 Dec 2012 I HAD to re-activate ... (the NIC was *dead* although its LED was still working. Couldn't get online for re-activating.

Your NIC may not have been working correctly for access to the internet, but because the LED was still working, it may have still been functional enough for the system to *see* that it was present, and the 3 Yes votes were still being registered as present.  If you read that website link above carefully, the author suggests leaving an old NIC on the system even if you install a new one just to maintain the necessary number of Yes votes.  You just leave it there, but connect the new NIC to the internet--you can have additional NIC's without upsetting the Yes vote calculation.  But, I guess you said the bad NIC is what triggered the reactivation--so probably that would not work in your case.

If the old NIC was *fried* and it was no longer sending out to the system it's presence on the system, then of course, you would have lost the Yes votes.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:06pm
@NightOwl

:P It just dawned on me:

1. I can't possibly disconnect the CD optical drive because I NEED it for IFL!!

2. I can't possibly use IFL on a usb-stick because I can ONLY use ONE usb port at a time!

-> USB 2.0 = 0.5mA/port  >:(

(Usually my sound system is connected to 1 usb port. I have to disconnect it whenever I use e.g. an external HDD.).

Tried a 2.5" external HDD some time ago using TWO usb ports for it - no way > needs more than 1A!

3. For a possible DFT (new HDD after restore) I also needed the CD optical drive.


NightOwl wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:58am:
Buy a longer cable 

Well, I will do a search for one.
It's got to be a 3.5" EIDE 80 wire/40 pin ribbon cable for my board!!!!!
Found only extension cable 80 wire for soldering NOT recommended for extension (!!) ... (just now). Is there any EIDE 3.5" extension cable > male/female - 80 wire/40 pin ribbon cable available --- to your knowledge ?

Any idea to my post ???

henriette <obviously going to become another NightOwl - 10 p.m.!>  ::)

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 17th, 2013 at 1:10am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:06pm:
I can't possibly use IFL on a usb-stick because I can ONLY use ONE usb port at a time!


Yes, you can use IFL on a UFD. When IFL has loaded you can remove the IFL UFD as IFL is running in RAM and no longer requires the flash drive. Then you can plug in your external HD to two USB ports.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:01am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:06pm:
1. I can't possibly disconnect the CD optical drive because I NEED it for IFL!!

I forget--does your system only have a single PATA controller so you can only have a single EIDE com cable with two connectors for only two devices?

Did you identify your motherboard make and model number previously--and did we come up with a link to the manufacturer website for the board so we could look at the specifications?  If we did and you remember that thread on the forum here where we discussed that, post a link so I can review it again. 

Otherwise, what is the make and model of your motherbaord?

Most older systems that use PATA controllers, by default, came with two controllers and that allowed for up to 4 IDE devices on a single system.


henriette wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:06pm:
Is there any EIDE 3.5" extension cable > male/female - 80 wire/40 pin ribbon cable available --- to your knowledge ?

Don't know that you want an *extension* cable--just a longer std cable:  Google Search for *EIDE 80 wire/40 pin ribbon cable*

Here's one example:  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2552732


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 17th, 2013 at 6:53am
@Brian


Brian wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 1:10am:
Yes, you can use IFL on a UFD. When IFL has loaded you can remove the IFL UFD as IFL is running in RAM and no longer requires the flash drive. Then you can plug in your external HD to two USB ports. 

Great  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Need only ONE port for the external HD.

UFD = usb 2.0, 8GB, Toshiba.
I ran a test after formatting - no errors.
Write/Read rate = 3.43 MByte/s + 15.5 MByte/s.

Got stuck at the following (I'd guess I had to select):
No Partition - FAT/FAT32 Volume - The entire UFD is configured as one big unpartitioned device. If you were to view a 4 GB UFD created using this option in Windows, you’d see free space beyond the amount used by MakeDisk up to the size of the drive. This free space is available to be used normally. If the UFD is 4GB or smaller, it's formatted as FAT. Otherwise, it's formatted as FAT32. The UFD will no longer be visible as a BIOS hard drive in BootIt BM (if it had been previously).

But what about FAT and FAT32 - will *MakeDisk.exe* format it automatically to FAT32 ?

Then what to select here:
Select the desired Geometry Calculation Method (Default - Use Device  :-?, LBA, Large  :-?, Normal  :-?, or Bit-Shift).
Had selected "Use Device" - didn't work. (see below).

Note: Some systems may require the UFD to be disconnected and reconnected for Windows to properly recognize the changes.

The above may have been the reason why it didn't work on a first try. To make sure I'd better ask.

@NightOwl

My board = ASUS A7N8X-X

http://www.manualowl.com/p/Asus/a7n8xx/Manual/125397
[another 'owl'  ;D]

http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/motherboards_d/ASUS/A7N8X-X/

Hope the links will help.
Can't recall if we discussed it already.


NightOwl wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 2:01am:
Most older systems that use PATA controllers, by default, came with two controllers and that allowed for up to 4 IDE devices on a single system.

Think that applies to my board.

I ordered a *HDD IDE cable 80 wire/40 pin for Ultra ATA up to 133Mbps* 'round midnight.
Should be the same I'm using now. Can't hurt to have one in store.
As to Brian I could use a UFD  ;)

henriette 

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 17th, 2013 at 8:59am
@ henriette


henriette wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 6:53am:
Got stuck at the following (I'd guess I had to select):


I choose...

USB Layout
Partition - MBR FAT/FAT32 Partition (Int13h Extensions)

Geometry Calculation Method
Default - Use Device

Then click Finish.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=317

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 17th, 2013 at 9:24am
@ henriette


Quote:
[quote]NightOwl wrote on Today at 12:01am:

Most older systems that use PATA controllers, by default, came with two controllers and that allowed for up to 4 IDE devices on a single system.

Think that applies to my board.[/quote]

Looking at the manual in the link you provided:


Quote:
2 x UltraDMA 133/100/66/33

So, looks like there are two controllers.  On page 1-3 there's a picture and page 1-4 this description:


Quote:
IDE Connectors. These dual-channel bus master IDE connectors support up to four Ultra DMA133/100/66, PIO Modes 3 & 4 IDE devices. Both the primary (blue) and secondary (black) connectors are slotted to prevent incorrect insertion of the IDE ribbon cable.


I presume your current setup has a single IDE cable connected to the Blue connector on the motherboard, and the middle connector of the ribbon connected to the optical drive and the end connector connected to the HDD--or you should tell us if it's different.  You may have to set jumpers on the back of the optical drive and/or HDD depending on how things were installed.  In most instances, the device jumpers should be set to *CSEL* (cable select), and the position on the cable determines which device is *master* (end of cable, black colored connector), or *slave* (middle connector, grey colored)--the blue end is connected to the motherboard connector.

The cable connections should be that the optical drive has the black end of the cable connected (master) and that cable routed to the black connector on the motherboard (secondary IDE controller), and the HDD has the black end of the second cable connected (again, master position), and the blue end connected to the blue motherboard connector (primary IDE controller).

Now, you can change the connections of the HDD (on the primary cable)--so you can have it pulled out of the case and connected to a test HDD next to the box-- without interrupting the optical drive's connection (on the secondary cable) which remains connected--and available for booting etc..


Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:24pm
@Brian


Brian wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 8:59am:
USB Layout
Partition - MBR FAT/FAT32 Partition (Int13h Extensions)

Geometry Calculation Method
Default - Use Device

Then click Finish.

Worked excellent! Booted into IFL - everything is fine  :-*

@Nightowl


NightOwl wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 9:24am:
I presume your current setup has a single IDE cable connected to the Blue connector on the motherboard, and the middle connector of the ribbon connected to the optical drive and the end connector connected to the HDD--or you should tell us if it's different. 

I will tell you the order of the devices from top to bottom (along with the EIDE cable):
Top = floppy drive [separate cable]

CD optical drive
DVD optical Drive
Primary HDD
Secondary HDD (= end of cable = *bottom*  ;D)


NightOwl wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 9:24am:
You may have to set jumpers on the back of the optical drive and/or HDD depending on how things were installed.In most instances, the device jumpers should be set to *CSEL* (cable select), and the position on the cable determines which device is *master* (end of cable, black colored connector), or *slave* (middle connector, grey colored)--the blue end is connected to the motherboard connector.

Don't ask me what colors ... computer cover is screwed - takes a while to *lift* the heavy Big Tower from its socket, then disconnect all , take cover off, and so on! -> my room is extremely small!

I always set the HDD jumpers to *master* = Primary HDD and *slave* = secondary HDD, as well as CD optical drive = *master* and DVD optical drive = *slave*.
The latter above depends on what optical drive I'm using the most. I've had the CD optical drive as *master* for ages now.

I don't set the jumper to *cable select*.
[We had a discussion about that ... some years ago].


NightOwl wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 9:24am:
The cable connections should be that the optical drive has the black end of the cable connected (master) and that cable routed to the black connector on the motherboard (secondary IDE controller), and the HDD has the black end of the second cable connected (again, master position), and the blue end connected to the blue motherboard connector (primary IDE controller).

... at least I've connected everything alright.
   

NightOwl wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 9:24am:
Now, you can change the connections of the HDD (on the primary cable)--so you can have it pulled out of the case and connected to a test HDD next to the box-- without interrupting the optical drive's connection (on the secondary cable) which remains connected--and available for booting etc.. 

Yes, I will disconnect both HDDs - the length should be just ok.
Have to check again, though.
I could run a DFT ("seatools") on the new Seagate HD after having restored the *Entire Drive Image*.

Thanks for your excellent help, again!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
henriette

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 20th, 2013 at 5:02am
Report on Restoring an *Entire Drive Image* to a smaller (unformatted) HDD - using IFL:

While reading THOROUGHLY what we've discussed on here, I detected a MOST IMPORTANT point:
-> "disconnect your network cable during your testing ..." (had failed to notice that).
WOW, so that does the trick  ;)

Then I disconnected both *old* HDs, connected the EIDE cable + power to the new HD and started restoring the latest *Entire Drive Image*.

I used IFL-CD - loads faster than USB-stick (UFD).

1. New HD was recognized in BIOS.

2. An Entire drive restore to a new HD that's a different size from the old HD.....

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD.
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the image
tick in Entire Drive
Linux
ATA.... (sda) 
leave the tick in Log Results to File
Scale to Fit
Align to Target
put a tick in Validate IMAGE BEFORE RESTORE
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
First Track Sectors AUTO
Start   

Restoring took 6hrs:20min!
----------------------------------------------------
Partition sizes BEFORE restoring (*old* HD 500GB) - taken from IFL > backup > full backup > information:

C:\[XP]
MiB Used  = 9889
MiB Free  = 5117
MiB to Restore  = 10627

D:\[Music].
MiB Used  = 132347
MiB Free = 287783
MiB to Restore = 210151   

E:\[Emails]
MiB Used  = 1140
MiB Free  = 6854
MiB to Restore  = 4032

F:\[Exes++]
MiB Used  = 6509
MiB Free  = 9493
MiB to Restore  = 8075

G:\[Videos]
MiB Used  = 9371
MiB Free  = 8436
MiB to Restore  = 9892
~~~~~~~~
Partition sizes AFTER restore (new HD 400GB) - taken from IFL > backup > full backup > information:

Entire Drive = 381552 MiB  >>>
[Brian > 400/1.024^3= 372.5 > Windows will see that HD as 372.5 GiB.].

C:\[XP] = 15006 MiB

:-? MBR1 partition (02) 366546 MiB extended   :-?

D:\[Music] = 331850 MiB

E:\[Emails] = 7993 MiB

F:\[Exes++] = 12637 MiB

G:\[Videos] = 14065 MiB

note: C:\, D:\, E:\ are ok regarding size.

F:\ + G:\ should be ~ 4GB (!) larger when using a 400HD in the future.

Could be redistributed from D:\[Music] partition using *Paragon Partition Manager 9.0 (personal)*.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
3. Boot into Windows > ok  :)

4. Device Manager > IDE > primary channel: -> "Ultra DMA 5 - Ultra 100" < green check! Not so the other available options.
Uncheck "Let BIOS select transfer".

! present HD (WD) = "Ultra DMA 6 - Ultra 133" !!!     HOW COME ???
         
CD/DVD: secondary channel: -> IS "Ultra DMA 2 - Ultra 33".   

5. Disk Management: XP 14.65GB|Music 324.07GB|Emails 7.81GB|Exes 12.34GB|Videos 13.74GB

6. Clean System (CC etc.) ,,, defragment (Raxco Perfect Disc Pro).

7. Seatools CD > DST [Should have done that before restoring] > "Short Test" > "Successful - no errors.

8. Turn computer off (power down).

1 hour later I re-connected the *old* hardware. Everything runs fine  ;)


Thanks to you, guys, for your patience with me.
I'd never be able to accomplish that without your support.

Thanks also to DONALD (my computer) for doing a good job  ;D

henriette  :-*

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by Brian on Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:11pm
@ henriette

Nice work. You are now prepared if there is a real HD failure.

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:20am
@ henriette

Congradulations!  Looks like you're in a good place.  You should now feel confident that you can do this going forward.


henriette wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 3:06pm:
It just dawned on me:

1. I can't possibly disconnect the CD optical drive because I NEED it for IFL!!

I guess I misunderstood this comment.  I thought you were saying you *had to* disconnect the optical drive in order to connect a temporary test HDD to the PATA com cable.  But, ....


henriette wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:24pm:
I will tell you the order of the devices from top to bottom (along with the EIDE cable):
Top = floppy drive [separate cable]

CD optical drive
DVD optical Drive
Primary HDD
Secondary HDD (= end of cable = *bottom*)

It looks like the optical drives are on a separate PATA com cable from the HDDs.  For the record, I recomend disconnecting the Secondary HDD, as well as the Primary when testing in order to make sure I don't accidentally select the wrong HDD.  Only leave the Secondary hooked up if it is the HDD with the image file that's being used for restoring to the Primary


henriette wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 12:24pm:
I always set the HDD jumpers to *master* = Primary HDD and *slave* = secondary HDD, as well as CD optical drive = *master* and DVD optical drive = *slave*.
The latter above depends on what optical drive I'm using the most. I've had the CD optical drive as *master* for ages now.

I don't set the jumper to *cable select*.
[We had a discussion about that ... some years ago].

I vaguely remember that.  At least once, someone posted here that their system's BIOS was having problems when using jumpers to specify master and slave, and using cable select solved the problem.  It could also be that that person had somehow mixed and matched cable select with wrong jumper settings.  One never knows for sure when you can not look at the actual jumper settings, etc..


henriette wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 5:02am:
Restoring took 6hrs:20min!

Boy--that's a long time!  Using USB with Ghost also takes a long time--so restoring an image of a large amount of data to a new HDD obviously takes that long!


henriette wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 5:02am:
4. Device Manager > IDE > primary channel: -> "Ultra DMA 5- Ultra 100" < green check! Not so the other available options.
Uncheck "Let BIOS select transfer".

! present HD (WD) = "Ultra DMA 6- Ultra 133" !!! HOW COME ???

So, your 500 GB HDD is the Ultra 133, and your 400 GB HDD is the Ultra 100?  Maybe the two HDDs have that difference in speed capability.  Post make and model for each HDD so we can look up the specifications.


henriette wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 5:02am:
CD/DVD: secondary channel: -> IS "Ultra DMA 2 - Ultra 33". 

Older CD/DVD drives--that's probably the fastest they can transfer data--again make and model and we could look up the specifications.



Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by henriette on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 6:45am
@NightOwl

Looking at the threads on this forum, seems this is the longest thread ever  ;D


NightOwl wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:20am:
Congradulations!

If the *d* goes together with "graDes" in school ...
I'd rather think that was a typo. Anyway, I feel flattered   [smiley=dankk2.gif]


NightOwl wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:20am:
I thought you were saying you *had to* disconnect the optical drive in order to connect a temporary test HDD to the PATA com cable.But, ....

I had taken that into consideration ... 


NightOwl wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:20am:
It looks like the optical drives are on a separate PATA com cable from the HDDs

Correct.


NightOwl wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:20am:
I recommend disconnecting the Secondary HDD, as well as the Primary when testing ...

That's what I did and always will do, unless I'd use the secondary HDD as *source* of an image.


henriette wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 5:02am:
Restoring took 6hrs:20min!


NightOwl wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:20am:
Boy--that's a long time!

Partition D:\[Music] is large - 325GB !!!

IFL validates twice: Before restore [bit-by-bit] - (1h:50min!) AND after [bit-by-bit] (prob. same 1h:50min).
So just that partition takes 3h:40min for *being* validated.

For safety reasons I did NOT uncheck *validate bit-by-bit BEFORE restore*. You never know what's *happening* to the image-data!

When I installed W2K (long time ago) to a new WD HD, Windows *grabbed* the whole disk as ONE partition C:\ - although I had given a size for C:\, which, apparently, wasn't accepted  >:(

I then used a WD tool to re-format & partition the HDD.
Installed W2K on C:\ then copied the data of the other partitions to the drive - partition by partition.



NightOwl wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:20am:
Post make and model for each HDD so we can look up the specifications.

>>> from "manualOWL" - one of your relatives - lol ? Great site for manuals etc.!!!

1. WD5000AAKB:
http://www.manualowl.com/p/Western%20Digital/WD5000AAKB/Manual/15528

2. Seagate ST3400620A:
http://www.manualowl.com/p/Seagate/ST3400620A/Manual/49267

For me the specs read both ATA100  :-?

Seagate:
After I had (eventually!) found & purchased the obviously last two E-IDE/PATA HDDs availble (!) on the entire German online-market, I tried to register the HDs on Seagate homepage. No way!
Phoning the support: "I really wonder who sold them to you, since the HDs were NOT meant for sale. No warranty is given". ::)

I was given a 3 year *implied warranty* by the online shop (confirmation via email), though. 

CD/DVD:

NightOwl wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:20am:
make and model and we could look up the specifications.

Don't bother, that's ok  ;)

henriette

Title: Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Post by NightOwl on Jul 25th, 2013 at 8:38am
@ henriette


Quote:
I'd rather think that was a typo.

Hmmm...ya--spell checker wasn't working when I posted  :-[ !

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