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I have a custom iso image [Ghost 11.5] [from a ghost boot cd] and would like to tranfer the iso and boot from a usb pen drive, have tried several methods, but the farthest it boots is to a screen that says detectcd cannot find drive, seems that I need to change a path command somewhere but cant figure out where. Thanks

@ Jo-Jo

Does the ISO boot when written to a CD? How is the ISO customized?

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have tried several methods

Which methods? Have you tried creating a custom USB flash drive in Ghost?

Yes it boots from the cd, tried several methods but the grub bootloader got it the farthest. It is custom because it loads sata drivers and runs ghost 11 and ghost 2003

@ Jo-Jo

Did you make the CD in Ghost 11.5? It's odd that Grub4DOS won't work with the ISO.

Have you tried making a custom USB flash drive in Ghost 11.5?

I finally got the iso to boot by using the HP format tool then opening the iso and copying the files to my usb drive, but now I have another question..I noticed that after I start Ghost [from the usb drive or boot-cd] and try to create an image, it does not see my internal SATA DVD burner, I would like to directly burn the backup. is there a limitation with Ghost or is there something else I am missing.. Thanks

@ Jo-Jo

When you created the ISO in Ghost 11.5 were you able to add CD/DVD drivers?

Yes I added the drivers, it works fine if you are booting from a system that has IDE drives, but when I boot from my system that has all SATA, it does not see the internal DVD drive, it sees my harddrive and clones it fine to my external usb harddrive, but I would like the option for the direct burn of the image to the DVD rive.

Did you create a DOS ISO or a Windows PE ISO? Or both?

Created a DOS ISO

P.S. ...appreciate all the help coming down the pipe...

@ Jo-Jo

I played with this last year and I thought the Windows PE version was better than the DOS version. It's more likely to work with your SATA optical drive.

I can't find the thread at the moment but there is a long thread about creating auto Windows PE USB flash drives.

I built a WINPE version...will guard it with my life, worked like a charm..whole different story why I didn't do the PE disc first, but I figured it out, still would like to know if anybody sees their sata dvd drive with the DOS ghost.exe.

Thanks again, you helped alot...

@ Jo-Jo

I found that thread. It is interesting but doesn't really apply to your situation. Ghost from Win PE was four times faster than DOS on my old test computer.

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1311271148/0#0

By the way, why do you want an image on optical media? It's the most unreliable backup medium around.

Even though my main backups are kept on a dedicated external hdd, I like to have a least one hard copy of a backup, and yes this PE version is way faster than DOS ...

Thanks again..will keep my eyes ""on the board"" for more helpfull info...

@ Jo-Jo

Understood. I thought optical media were your first choice.

Just had it in my mind that I was going to figure out the problem, but with my obviously limited DOS skills, I knew I had hit a brick wall, and when the PE version worked, it put me at ease.

@ Jo-Jo

Which do you prefer? The CD or USB WinPE?

@ Jo-Jo

Jo-Jo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2012 at 4:07am:

It is custom because it loads sata drivers and runs ghost 11 and ghost 2003

Jo-Jo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

it works fine if you are booting from a system that has IDE drives, but when I boot from my system that has all SATA, it does not see the internal DVD drive, it sees my harddrive and clones it fine to my external usb harddrive

I have to assume your original statement that it *loads sata drivers* is in error--or perhaps you are not using the correct DOS command(s) to load the driver(s) successfully.

What SATA DOS Optical driver(s) are you attempting to load--and post the contents of the *autoexec.bat* and *config.sys* so we can look at the command syntax that's being used?

The information below is 3-4 years old--I think there's a new DOS driver for SATA optical drives--but it will give you a starting point:

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Radified Forum Member *ben_mott* posted this information about a new DOS driver that works with the newer SATA optical drives. *ben_mott* makes the statement that the SATA driver is backward compatible with IDE optical drives (I think this is meant to refer to PATA optical drives--but the term IDE appears to be used in conjunction with both SATA and PATA--but, from other posts I've seen, the *gcdrom.sys* only mounts SATA optical drives--you would have to load the PATA optical DOS drivers as well if you have both on a given system and want both to be available in DOS). (Note--older source links for downloading appear to no longer work--below is a current *good* link:

Ghost 7.5 SATA CD-ROM

Download *gcdrom.sys* here--v2.3 and v2.4 available!

Some additional resources:

GCDROM for DOS command line syntax

SATA optical drive & Ghost 2002 report

How to add SATA DOS optical drive drivers to Boot Disc

(Well, when I tried, some of the above links are now *dead*--but the last link takes you to thread where Prozactive has links to a newer DOS driver that's supposed to work with SATA optical drives--I have not tried them as yet.)

Prozactive wrote on Mar 12^th, 2010 at 10:10pm:

UIDE.SYS
http://johnson.tmfc.net/dos/driver.html

XGCDROM.SYS
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/system/xcdrom/xgcdr...

The above drivers, if one works for your system, will give you a DOS drive letter to your SATA optical drive so you can access the drive in DOS--however:

Jo-Jo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

but I would like the option for the direct burn of the image to the DVD rive.

That's a completely different issue. DOS Ghost has built-in drivers for optical drives that are used to burn images to optical media. Those drivers bypass any DOS drive letter assignment for optical drives. Your drive has to show up in the dropdown *destination* box with a *@* followed by your drive name and/or model number. If it doesn't show up with that designation, then DOS Ghost is not compatible with your optical drive. (By the way, I have two SATA optical drives on a SATA system that is about two years old, they both show up in DOS Ghost 2003--so it has to be a drive that is recognized by DOS Ghost for whatever version you are using.)

First..Brian as far as your question ""Which do you prefer? The CD or USB WinPE? "" I have just used the usb version..it loads and runs pretty fast.

NightOwl..as your first question to my statement that ""It is custom because it loads sata drivers"" I guess is a bit of an error, the problem was ""I think"" was that the dvd-rom was not beeing seen by the puter [or vice versa], I finally got it to load ""ahci.sys"", I tried GCDROM.SYS and xgcdrom.sys with no luck, but with my limited DOS skills I am sure there are a ton of mistakes in both the config.sys and autoexec.bat files. When I get a little more time I will post the config and autoexec files, but be forewarned you probably will get dizzy looking at them...Thanks

NightOwl, As you can see they are quite large, I included everything, as you can see I have them doing other things like auto-partitioning, etc, all through batch files. In the config.sys are GCDROM.SYS and xgcdrom.sys, I get errors at bootup..no drivers loaded or no drives found but the last, ahci.sys seems to load. I am happy with the WINPE version, but I will revisit this issue with this disc for my curiosity and the simple fact that the more I do [or knowledge I gleem from you "guys"] the more I learn.

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@echo off
rem mouse.com
path=a:\;%CDROM%:\
cls
LH MSCDEX.EXE /d:mscd001 /D:CDROM000 /D:CDROM001 /D:CDROM002 /d:XGCD01 /d:XGCD02 /d:XGCD03 /L:%CDROM%
set CDROM=FOO23
DETECTCD.EXE
IF "%CDROM%"=="FOO23" GOTO NOCDROM
%CDROM%
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Start" a:\Start.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Start3" a:\Start3.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Create" a:\Create.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Create3" a:\Create3.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Restore" a:\Restore.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Restore3" a:\Restore3.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk" a:\Gdisk.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk5" a:\Gdisk5.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk10" a:\Gdisk10.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk12" a:\Gdisk12.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk15" a:\Gdisk15.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk20" a:\Gdisk20.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk25" a:\Gdisk25.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk33" a:\Gdisk33.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk50" a:\Gdisk50.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk55" a:\Gdisk55.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk101" a:\Gdisk101.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdiskst" a:\Gdiskst.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk117" a:\Gdisk117.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk185" a:\Gdisk185.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk226" a:\Gdisk226.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk244" a:\Gdisk244.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Gdisk271" a:\Gdisk271.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="HideD" a:\HideD.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="UnHideD" a:\UnHideD.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="HideD" a:\HideE.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="UnHideD" a:\UnHideE.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Fdisk" a:\Fdisk.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Format" a:\FORMAT.bat
IF "%CONFIG%"=="Aefdisk" a:\AEFDISK.bat
cls
GOTO LQUIT
:NOCDROM
cls
echo.
echo DetectCD was unable to determine the CD-ROM drive letter.
echo.
:LQUIT
set CDROM=

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[Menu]
MenuItem=Start, Start Ghost 11.0
MenuItem=Start3, Start Ghost 2003
MenuItem=Create, Auto Create Image of C: Drive to CD_DVD
MenuItem=Restore, Auto Restore Image to C: Drive from CD_DVD
MenuItem=Create3, Auto Create Image of C: Drive to D: Drive
MenuItem=Restore3, Auto Restore Image to C: Drive from D: Drive
MenuItem=Gdiskst, Displays Status of Partitions
MenuItem=Fdisk, Start FDISK
submenu=More,    ...More
[More]
MenuItem=Gdisk, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive .........NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk5, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 5/95 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk10, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 10/90 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk12, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 12/88 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk15, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 15/85 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk20, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 20/80 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk25, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 25/75 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk33, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 33/67 ...NOW
submenu=More1,    ...More
[More1]
MenuItem=Gdisk50, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 50/50 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk55, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 5/5/90 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk101, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 10/10/80 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk117, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 12/12/76 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk185, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 15/15/70 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk226, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 20/20/60 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk244, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 20/40/40 ...NOW
MenuItem=Gdisk271, WARNING...Partitions Hard Drive 20/70/10 ...NOW
submenu=More2,    ...More
[More2]
MenuItem=HideD, WARNING...Hides D: Drive ...NOW
MenuItem=UnHideD, WARNING...UnHides D: Drive ...NOW
MenuItem=HideE, WARNING...Hides E: Drive ...NOW
MenuItem=UnHideE, WARNING...UnHides E: Drive ...NOW
MenuItem=Format, WARNING...FORMATS C: Drive...NOW
MenuItem=Aefdisk, WARNING...DELETES ALL PARTITIONS...NOW
submenu=Menu,    ... Back

[Start]

[Start3]

[Create]

[Create3]

[Restore]

[Restore3]

[Gdisk]

[Gdisk5]

[Gdisk10]

[Gdisk12]

[Gdisk15]

[Gdisk20]

[Gdisk25]

[Gdisk33]

[Gdisk50]

[Gdisk55]

[Gdisk101]

[Gdisk117]

[Gdisk185]

[Gdiskst]

[Gdisk226]

[Gdisk244]

[Gdisk271]

[HideD]

[UnHideD]

[HideE]

[UnHideE]

[Fdisk]

[Format]

[Aefdisk]

[Common]
device=himem.sys /testmem:off
device=oakcdrom.sys /d:mscd001
device=GCDROM.SYS /D:CDROM000 /C0
device=GCDROM.SYS /D:CDROM001 /C1
device=GCDROM.SYS /D:CDROM002 /C2
device=xgcdrom.sys /d:XGCD01 /C0
device=xgcdrom.sys /d:XGCD02 /C1
device=xgcdrom.sys /d:XGCD03 /C2
device=ahci.sys /D:CDROM000 /C0
device=ahci.sys /D:CDROM000 /C1
device=ahci.sys /D:CDROM000 /C2
files=60
buffers=20
dos=high,umb
stacks=9,256
lastdrive=z

Ghost boot disc contents
AEFDISK.EXE
Detectcd.exe
FDISK.EXE
FORMAT.COM
gdisk.exe
gdisk.gg
gdisk10.gg
gdisk101.gg
gdisk117.gg
gdisk185.gg
gdisk20.gg
gdisk226.gg
gdisk244.gg
gdisk25.gg
gdisk271.gg
gdisk33.gg
gdisk5.gg
gdisk50.gg
gdisk55.gg
GH2K3.EXE
GHOST.EXE
hideD.gg
hideE.gg
MOUSE.COM
MOUSE.INI
SCANDISK.EXE
SCANDISK.INI
unhideD.gg
unhideE.gg
-----------------------------------

Boot file contents
AEFDISK.bat
ahci.sys
ASPI1394.SYS
Autoexec.bat
COMMAND.COM
Config.sys
Create.BAT
Create3.BAT
Detectcd.exe
DI1000DD.SYS
FDISK.BAT
FORMAT.bat
gcdrom.sys
gdisk.bat
gdisk10.bat
gdisk101.bat
gdisk117.bat
gdisk185.bat
gdisk20.bat
gdisk226.bat
gdisk25.bat
gdisk271.bat
gdisk33.bat
gdisk5.bat
gdisk50.bat
gdisk55.bat
gdiskst.bat
hideD.bat
hideE.bat
HIMEM.SYS
IO.SYS
MSCDEX.EXE
MSDOS.SYS
OAKCDROM.SYS
restore.BAT
restore3.bat
start.bat
start3.bat
unhideD.bat
unhideE.bat
Usbaspi.sys
XGCDROM.SYS
A lot of files in here not being used...

Got Ghost to see the dvd drive when trying to save the image to the dvd drive, had to change a setting in the bios, changed AHCI to IDE. Will continue to use the winpe version though, it is faster than the DOS disc. I integrated the ghost32.exe into UBCD4WIN, it gives you a neat little GUI to use, again though I had to integrate my mobo sata drivers into this build for it to see my harddrives. Thanks for the help.

@ Jo-Jo

Jo-Jo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

When I get a little more time I will post the config and autoexec files, but be forewarned you probably will get dizzy looking at them...

Wow! You're right--those are *dizzying*!

Did you create the autoexec.bat and config.sys--or is this something you got from someone else? The reason I ask--I'm wondering if you understand the various command lines that are for using *variables* in DOS? I have never quite understood how those work--and if you know how they do--I'd like to ask questions as to how to implement them.

Jo-Jo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

I finally got it to load ""ahci.sys"", I tried GCDROM.SYS and xgcdrom.sys with no luck

So, when you say *load*, do you mean *ahci.sys* worked and your optical drive was assigned a DOS drive letter successfully? The reason I ask---

Jo-Jo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2012 at 11:19pm:

Got Ghost to see the dvd drive when trying to save the image to the dvd drive, had to change a setting in the bios, changed AHCI to IDE.

Did you have to change the SATA controller setting from AHCI to IDE in order to make it work with *ahci.sys*--because I was of the impression that *ahci.sys* was supposed to work with the SATA controllers set to AHCI.

Here's some references on using *ahci.sys*: http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1325648316

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=1844973&swItem=wk-61401-1&prodNameId=1844975&swEnvOID=2096&swLang=13&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=0

Thanks for replying NightOwl..No I did not create any of the config and autoexec files, I know very little of DOS and it was just a matter of copy and paste until I found some thing that worked, and I am sure some of it is from your work somewhere down the line.
Again I guess I was in error when I said ahci.sys worked. As you know by my pevious post[s] ghost11 finally boot and seen my internal dvd drive only after I turned off the ahci mode for sata and changed it to ide in the bios, it probably would have worked before adding the ahci.sys file if I had first tried to turn off ahci in the bios, like I said ""true green horn"" . I have the WinPE version working now, it will be a good winter project to start on a new ghost11 boot disc, just to see what I did wrong.

Jo-Jo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

i think so, you are so right

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