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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #150 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 10:14am
 
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Vista will NOT install on a FAT-32 formatted partition.

Okay--so it's not the partition file system of FAT32 vs NTFS!

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The simplest fix for me was to just format the new hard drive first, making the partitions I wanted, and formatting the HD in DOS

But, it appears that the Master Boot Partition (MBR) that you initially create is an older DOS MBR because you are using Fdisk, and not the new Vista MBR--so I must speculate that that's the variable that might be rendering the need to run Ghost with the *-fdsp* switch, or to do the *bcedit* edit changes unnecessary in your situation...Hmmm--I don't know!
 

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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #151 - May 25th, 2008 at 1:54pm
 
I'm coming in very late on this but after reading 150 posts, I was hoping to find some sort of summary or FAQ of what we've all discovered wrt to Ghost 2003 and Vista.

If I read everything here correctly, it seems that Ghost 2003 works with Vista in some cases but restoring to a fresh disk requires some messing around with BCD and Vista repair mode.  But it seems there's no definitive, deterministic list of cases that work/don't work and steps to carry out.

If its really this complicated, is there any reason why I shouldn't plunk down $200 and buy Ghost Solution Suite 2.5 to get Ghost 11.5?  (I prefer to stay with a cold-imaging product for various reasons.)  Yes, I know its spendy, but its certainly cheaper than spending a bunch of hours messing around with Ghost 2003 and apparently Ghost 11.x works cleanly with no muss or fuss.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.  Smiley

 
 
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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #152 - May 25th, 2008 at 3:54pm
 
lunadesign,

One of our members, TheShadow, has created numerous Vista images with Ghost 2003. Despite requests, we are still waiting to hear about the success or otherwise of restoring Vista images with Ghost 2003.

TheShadow, how about some details?
 
 
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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #153 - May 25th, 2008 at 7:12pm
 
lunadesign wrote on May 25th, 2008 at 1:54pm:
If its really this complicated, is there any reason why I shouldn't plunk down $200 and buy Ghost Solution Suite 2.5 to get Ghost 11.5?  (I prefer to stay with a cold-imaging product for various reasons.)  Yes, I know its spendy, but its certainly cheaper than spending a bunch of hours messing around with Ghost 2003 and apparently Ghost 11.x works cleanly with no muss or fuss.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.  Smiley



About a year ago, I also did the same thing. Went ahead and purchased five licenses of GSS 11.0.1 for about $160, which is a discounted price I got on-line from Best Buy Business is a very good deal for what it offers. Both DOS and Windows versions of Ghost. Gdisk and others included in the product. Once you get the license, you will download the program from Symantec.

GSS 11.5 has just been released and I would wait for some months before purchasing it unless you are in a great hurry. By that time all the bugs in the system would have been fixed. Eventhough it is a solid product, I would wait for the next upgrade.

Probably in the interim, you may want to use 2003 or 8.2.

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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #154 - Jun 12th, 2008 at 11:05pm
 
A request for feedback......  ok

I've been making Ghost 2003 and 8.3 backups of my Vista HD since installing Vista many months ago.
So far, I've had no problem doing it.  It's exactly like backing up XP, 98 or any other OS.  
Ghost 2003 (for instance) seems oblivious to what OS you're using.
It sees a bit and it copies a bit.  No big deal!

Vista is run on an NTFS formatted drive just like XP (usually) so I don't see the big problem.

NO, I've not had any reason to do a Restore to a new HD with Vista.
I'll do it to a blank HD if it will make y'all happy. Roll Eyes
But surely, I'm not the only one who could do that. (Ya think? )

EDIT: Aug 30, 2008
Indeed, Ghost 2003, 8.3 and 11.0 will make a Ghost Image of a Vista HD, but the joy stops there.  The restored image will not boot the system.
BUT, the Image made from Ghost 11.5 either the DOS or Windows version (Ghost32.exe) will restore OK.  The cloning operation works too.


But, just like with XP, I'm sure I'd have to do a Disk to Image first, unlike the Partition to Image that I normally do, if I expect the new drive to be bootable.
Nigel explained to us why you can't do a restore of a partition image to a blank HD and expect it to boot properly.  I seem to remember it had something to do with Ghost not copying all the boot sector when it does a Partition to Image backup.  
  I've always gotten around that myself by partitioning all my new drives with FDISK before restoring a Ghost partition image to it.  That seems to take care of the boot sector (MBR) problem.
Success is in the details, I guess. Embarrassed

But then, the only HD in my house formatted NTFS, is the one with Vista on it.  The rest are all formatted as FAT-32.   XP loves it!
But Vista will only install on an NTFS formatted drive.  Big Bummer!

I hope all yous guys have a great Father's Day.
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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #155 - Jun 15th, 2008 at 7:54pm
 
Vista disk to image backup over network.

I just now sucessfully finished peer to peer backup tcp/ip G 8.3.

I booted from floppy boot disks made with g 8.3 boot wizard with ndis2 dos driver added.  Source computer was sony laptop vgn-nr110e with Yukon nic.

Target was celeron desktop booted with floppies made with G 8.3 boot wizard multicard template.  Target computer has ide hard drive.

I previously tried to do this backup with G 2003, but G3 halted and asked question 1824 image file already exists.  overwrite ? I answered yes first three times it asked, then I quit and went with G 8.3 as described above.

Does anyone have Ghost error message List ( G 3 and-or G 8.3 ?

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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #156 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 8:43am
 
So, I guess no-one was willing to play around with Vista and Ghost 2003 to see what can be done with it.

I was given a Dell XPS 400 computer that Dell told the user, was broke.
They didn't even want it back, so he gave it to me.  It ain't broke! It's just another Dell! Angry
I've totally re-configured it to boot from a single SATA2 HD instead of the RAID setup that Dell had installed in it.  I've added a DVD burner and a floppy drive and it's even beginning to look and act like a real computer.  I also had to replace the 80 conductor data cable to the DVD-rom drive (with a standard 40 conductor cable ) when I added a DVD-RW, to get them to work right. D'Hell strikes again! Angry Wink

Well, I just did a restore of a Ghost 2003 Partition Image to a blank HD and it would not boot.  But we've already discussed the "Why" of that, right?
A Partition Image does not contain all of the boot sector information.  Only a DISK Image does that.  I believe that Nigel explained that to us previously.

So now, before I close this post, I'm going to do a disk to disk copy (clone) with Ghost 2003 and see if that works.

To do a disk to Image requires TWO hard drives, , , then to restore the Image to a blank disk, requires a third HD.
I'm still trying to decide if I want to suffer three HD's to this one exercise.

This is going to take a while.  I'll come back later. Wink

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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #157 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 12:36pm
 
A word to the wise....... Roll Eyes

When using different drives in different configurations and using Ghost, don't do it on a Dell with a RAID bios.  It's a killer! Sad

I finally just had to walk away from it. Angry
What a miserable P.O.C.!!

My first attempt resulted in erasing my Vista drive.
My second attempt, making a Ghost image to a DVD and then restoring to a blank drive, resulted in files missing in the restored drive.  The Vista Install disk fixed that problem.

I did a disk to disk (clone) operation from a 160 gig Maxtor to a 80 gig WD which seemed to work.  I used Ghost 8.3.

I attribute most of my problems to the weird Dell bios.  There is absolutely NO way to just totally shut off RAID completely.
I wish I could find a non-raid bios for this mobo.

I still have to try Ghost 11 and see how that works.

I'm glad I hadn't planned on going anywhere today. Huh

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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #158 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 12:49pm
 
TheShadow wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 12:36pm:
I still have to try Ghost 11 and see how that works.


Ghost 12 and Ghost 14 are the two consumer versions that are certified for Vista.
 

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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #159 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 3:21pm
 
TheShadow wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 8:43am:
Well, I just did a restore of a Ghost 2003 Partition Image to a blank HD and it would not boot.But we've already discussed the "Why" of that, right?
A Partition Image does not contain all of the boot sector information.Only a DISK Image does that.

There is a long thread on how to restore a Ghost 2003 partition image to a blank HD. If anyone is interested, I'll find it. A disk image isn't needed to make the HD boot.
 
 
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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #160 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 4:28pm
 
I think I fixed that once, on a FAT-32 drive by just running FDISK /mbr
on it.  That fixed the boot record and then the restored image (XP-Pro) booted just fine.  If memory serves......

I'm still working with Vista and this #%@$^&! Dell.
I think it's time to break out the C-4. Wink

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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #161 - Jun 29th, 2008 at 9:52am
 
On the Flip-Side.....

This thread started with the following phrase:

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Now that Windows Vista has been released, do we know if Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 is compatible?  If not compatible, are there known work-around solutions to identified problems?


Anyone who knows me, knows that I like FREE.  FREE is GOOD!

Working to find a solution to the
cloning Vista HD's
problem, I came up with something that's been laying right here all the time.  The "MaxBlast" CD that came with all my Seagate or Maxtor hard drives. (Ver. 5)

I installed "Maxblast" into Windows and then used it to make a Maxblast bootable CD.
Then I booted up my Vista system that has two Maxtor SATA2 HD's in it, using that boot CD.
They happen to be Maxtor drives, but I don't think that really makes any difference.
Working thru the easy to read menus, I selected to back up C: to D:.
It didn't take long at all, and when the process was done, I shut down the PC, connected the newly made clone as the primary drive and booted the system.  It booted just fine.

Vista must have sensed that it was on a different drive because it did load some new drivers and then asked me to reboot.  No problem,,, after the reboot everything was running normally.

This whole process took less than a half hour and was actually pretty simple.  That Maxblast bootable CD is now a valuable part of my service KIT.  

I know it's not Ghost, but it's FREE and it works real GOOD!
I do love Ghost, but hey, we're not married!!! Wink Grin Grin Grin

The thing that really bugs me is that I've had dozens of those Maxblast CD's laying around for a very long time and I didn't realize just how valuable they could be.  But, now I know.
Knowledge is POWER !! Wink

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?
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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #162 - Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:31pm
 
Hi,
I am a newcomer to the RAD GHOST forum.
I've been using the enterprise ghost7.0 thru DOS disk for many years. Through the ingenious RAD GHOST GUIDE, fantastic site!

You all must be more expert than the experts by now, as after reading your posts, they are very much more detailed than I doubt even Symantec or Norton have as product documentation.

To the point:
I am about to move to win xp with sp2, I have the following 2 Ghost versions in hand.
GHOST 7.0 (Enterprise - using present from DOS boot disk I created on my win98se myself, by formatting a floppy with system files checked then recopying the ghost.exe and files to it)

GHOST 9.0 (THROUGH NORTON SYSTEM WORKS CD)

SYMANTEC GHOST SUITE 8.2 (ENTERPRISE, NO KEYGEN CAME WITH IT)

Can I use Ghost 7.0 or any other of these to make a DOS disk for my new xp pc and how?
Or would it be better to buy GHOST2003, (in which case may I ask if any of you have one for sale?)

Can I boot to DOS before going into XP, to use any of the above 3 softwares?

Sorry for silly the questions, but I needed to ask the pros, and in my experience, RAD's word si like gold!

Thanks so much!
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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #163 - Aug 30th, 2008 at 8:15am
 
Symantec no longer sells Ghost 2003, and that's regrettable, because Ghost 2003, Build 793 works beautifully with Windows XP (all versions and SP's) and every motherboard that I've been able to try it on.

Due to the fact that Symantec will no longer sell or support Ghost 2003, some people have declared it "
Abandonware
" and have put it on their websites as such for download.

I checked the offering on one of those sites, just out of curiosity, and found it to be Ghost 2003, but an older build that would not work on the newer motherboards.
Any Ghost version after 2003, build 793, will work fine for XP on most motherboards.
Ghost 11.5 works fine for Windows Vista.

I remain adamant that installing the Ghost GUI on your HD is redundant (not required) as the Ghost.exe file runs great from any boot media.
(floppy disk, Flash Drive or CD)

AND, you'll need it on removable media if your HD crashes and has to be replaced or reformatted.  You'll also need the Ghost Image files somewhere other than on your HD that just crashed.

After having a problem with the "Defraggler" defragmenting program rendering my C: drive UN-Bootable, I'm now making Ghost backups to DVD once a week at the very minimum.
Those DVD's will be self-booting ONLY if I run Ghost from a floppy disk in A:.  

That "Defraggler" program damaged my C: drive so badly that even doing a restore of a Ghost Partition Image would not fix it.  Likewise FDISK /mbr could not fix it.  Partition Magic 8, would only declare the drive as "BAD".
I guess the Partition Table was trashed.

I did a Ghost restore to a new HD from a DVD backup disk and I'm keeping that old drive as a source of bits and pieces that I might need.


Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?
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Re: Ghost 2003/Ghost 8.2 and Windows Vista
Reply #164 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 3:15pm
 
I have an HP laptop DV7 cto1000 2ghz core 2 duo.  I used 2003 to back up and restore Vista and XP , no probs.  Except little things like up and down arrows etc.  Whew that was good news.  The image resided on same HD as Vista as I wasn't that worried about it.  I have XP installed on another HD in this machine with music vstis etc. 

My previous latop: DV 9410 amd cpu, would only work with 8.2 .  Both vista and xp in a dual boot were ghosted. I was happy just to be able to ghost them.
 
 
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