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gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Nov 24th, 2007 at 11:07am
 
Hey,
when i use ghost 2003 or ghost 11 with uide.sys or qcdrom.sys drivers to access internal ide dvdr (nec-AD7173), ghost hangs for ever at opening its built-in browser. It hangs both in vmware & real boot. It may have to do with UDMA because when booting in vmware and loading uide/qcdrom with the switch /ux, it doesn't hung. But /ux doesn't fix anything in real boot.

I get this screen both in real boot & in vmware.
...


The creator of uide.sys/qcdrom.sys notes about /ux switch: "    Quote:
/UX    Disables ALL UltraDMA for CD/DVD drives, even for those which   are capable of it.   UIDE then uses "PIO mode" for all CD/ DVD I-O requests.   Except for certain "unusual" drives by Sony, etc. which do not follow all ATAPI standards, /UX is
rarely needed and is meant for tests or diagnostics.   /UX
does not affect hard disks, which always use UltraDMA.


config.sys
Quote:
device=memdrive\XMGR.SYS /W
device=memdrive\UMBPCI.SYS
DOS=HIGH,umb
SWITCHES=/f
lastdrive=z
devicehigh=DRIVERS\UIDE.SYS /B /D:IDE-CD /S127
rem devicehigh=DRIVERS\qcdrom.sys /D:IDE-CD

With /ex switch it works in vmware .

autoexec.bat
Quote:
LH DRIVERS\SHCDX33C /D:IDE-CD,R,,3 /D:?USB-CD,S,2 /D:*SHSU-CDH,V /QQ


I have desktop pc, I don't use a real floppy disk but i load the floppy image in a dvd disk as bootloader. DVD has the gho image too.

I disabled udma from bios with no change. I used gcdrom.sys, xcdrom, oakcdrom, btflash, but they can't read dvd drivers.

In sort, my system is: asusrock dualvista 775 socket, 2 x nec-ad7173 dvdr, 2x260 gb sata WD internal hard disks, and a floppy drive disabled by bios.

 
 
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Re: gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2007 at 12:17pm
 
billonious

Why not try the MS-DOS optical drive driver *oakcdrom.sys* in [config.sys] and *mscdex.exe* in [autoexe.bat]--I know you said *oakcdrom.sys* doesn't allow for access to the DVD-ROM--but it allows access on three different DVD-ROM's on my systems if used with *mscdex.exe*?

Or these other DOS drivers:

CD-ROM DRIVERS 4 DOS


Quote:
qcdrom.sys

I believe that's for SATA optical drives only and should not work at all for IDE optical drives!

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It may have to do with UDMA because when booting in vmware and loading uide/qcdrom with the switch /ux, it doesn't hung.

Where does that switch go--at the end of this line:  

devicehigh=DRIVERS\UIDE.SYS /B /D:IDE-CD /S127 ?

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With /ex switch it works in vmware .

Is that a typo, or what switch is that?

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I disabled udma from bios with no change.

Does *udma* even function in DOS--or is that a Windows based accelerator software?
 

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Re: gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2007 at 4:13pm
 
tnx u,

Quote:
qcdrom.sys "I believe that's for SATA optical drives only and should not work at all for IDE optical drives!"

As far as i know, Gcdrom is limited in sata. Qcdrom is supposed to work in both pata & sata.

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/ux, "Where does that switch go--at the end of this line 
devicehigh=DRIVERS\UIDE.SYS /B /D:IDE-CD /S127 ?"

You are absolutely right.


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With /ex switch it works in vmware ."
Is that a typo, or what switch is that?"
Yes, my mistake, I meant /ux instead of /ex.

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Does *udma* even function in DOS--or is that a Windows based accelerator software?
Another mistake of me, it was dma not udma. I am new to dos.

Anyway, I found that vide-cdd.sys works at last.
 
 
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Re: gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Reply #3 - Nov 24th, 2007 at 5:22pm
 
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As far as i know, Gcdrom is limited in sata. Qcdrom is supposed to work in both pata & sata.

Guess I was thinking of *gcdrom*--didn't realize there was a *qcdrom* driver!

Did a Google search on the *Qcdrom* and found this readme file for v3.7:

Quote:
QCDROM is a DOS driver for CD and DVD drives.   It is for use on normal
  PC system IDE channels, including 1997 or later PC mainboards that have
  Intel/VIA/SiS/ALi or similar UltraDMA controller chips.   QCDROM is NOT
  for SCSI, Serial-ATA, or "add-on" UltraDMA cards by Promise, SiiG, etc.

  QCDROM handles normal mainboard IDE channels, with or without UltraDMA,
  avoiding a need for "add-on" cards!

Do you have other links or sources that say different?
 

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Re: gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Reply #4 - Nov 25th, 2007 at 5:00am
 
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Do you have other links or sources that say different?

no, I agree with you.

I made vide-cdd & teac_cdi.sys work with ghost. Drivers by jack ellis crash when working with ghost, though they work flawlessly with volkov commander or plain dos command line. The conflict must be either in udma or in the memory managers that I use (xmgr.sys & umbipci.sys). Specifically, I think of the umbipci .


... Do you know any replacements of umbipci to test ? Emm386 is pretty big, 125 kb, qemm is nowhere, I haven't found it so far.
 
 
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Re: gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Reply #5 - Nov 25th, 2007 at 9:44am
 
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I made vide-cdd & teac_cdi.sys work with ghost. Drivers by jack ellis crash when working with ghost, though they work flawlessly with volkov commander or plain dos command line. The conflict must be either in udma or in the memory managers that I use (xmgr.sys & umbipci.sys). Specifically, I think of the umbipci .

Ah, good old DOS--programs crashing into each other somewhere in memory!  Why the *out of the mainstream* DOS programs?

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... Do you know any replacements of umbipci to test ? Emm386 is pretty big, 125 kb, qemm is nowhere, I haven't found it so far.

Google is your *friend*--just *ask*!:  QEMM downloads, and Vetusware--the biggest free abandonware downloads collection in the universe.

12-14 years ago, I was a big fan of V7.xx and v8.xx!

Mind you--I'm not endorsing the above!  Be careful!  QEMM is/was a copyrighted program--any source now has to be a pirated copy--watch out for potential bad website, etc......

 

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Re: gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Reply #6 - Nov 25th, 2007 at 12:37pm
 
I have already found this page http://www.chsoft.com/dv.html but  whatever archieve I download (qemm8, qemm9.7), there is no qemm.sys! Only installers for hard disk! A possible file is qemm.qip 253 kb.

News... I commented UMBPCI.SYS line in config.sys, left the XMGR.SYS alone which MUST be loaded for uide to function. Nothing fixed. So, mem managers are not to blame. I am going to pull my hairs off.

Next step is to replace as many drivers as I can with microsoft' standard mscdex.sys, himem.sys.
 
 
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Re: gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2007 at 4:02pm
 
;D
In the end, if you insist, you win.

The incompatibility was caused by SHCDX33C.COM, which is a replacement of MSCDEX.EXE. It assigns letters to optical drives.  I replaced it with the SHSUCDX.EXE and
ghost works like magic
. Shsucdx was made by Jason Hood, shcdx33c is a modified version of shsucdx, modified by jack ellis.

No memory managers to blame for, no uide/qcdrom problems.

I tested SHSUCDEX in real boot with these drivers: uide.sys, qcdrom.sys,  vide-cdd.sys, necatapi.sys, teac_cdi.sys,  and they all work without exception. They read my internal ide nec dvd drives and they don't crash when running ghost.

I may have got a hacked & no functional version of SHCDX33C.COM or it is faulty.

I am writing the configuration that works (now) in case is useful for somebody:

CONFIG.SYS
Quote:
[COMMON]
rem xmgr.sys is expanded memory manager (necessary for uide.sys)
device=memdrive\XMGR.SYS
DOS=HIGH,umb
SWITCHES=/f
lastdrive=z
..............

rem menu for drivers
[DRIVERS]
menuitem=CLEAN, * no drivers [safe mode]
menuitem=VIDE, Acer vide-cdd [pata dvd]
menuitem=UIDE, Jack Ellis uide.sys [sata/pata dvd]
menuitem=QCDROM, JackEllis qcdrom [pata dvd]
menuitem=NEC, Nec-sony optiarc necatapi.sys [pata dvd]
menuitem=TEAC, Teac teac_cdi.sys [pata dvd]
menuitem=OAK, Oak & flashpt.sys [pata cd]
menuitem=ASPI, Adaptec aspi [scsi]
submenu=MENU, ... Back
menudefault=MENU,50

rem -------------drivers ---------------
Acer videcdd.sys
[vide]
devicehigh=DRIVERS\VIDE-CDD.SYS /D:IDE-CD
[CLEAN]
[UIDE]
rem xmgr must be loaded before
devicehigh=DRIVERS\UIDE.SYS /D:IDE-CD /S40
[QCDROM]
devicehigh=DRIVERS\qcdrom.sys /D:IDE-CD
[NEC]
devicehigh=DRIVERS\necatapi.sys /D:NECCD
[TEAC]
devicehigh=DRIVERS\teac_cdi.sys /D:IDE-CD
[PIONEER]
devicehigh=DRIVERS\Atapi_cd.sys /D:IDE-CD
[OAK]
devicehigh=DRIVERS\oakcdrom.sys /D:IDE-CD
devicehigh=DRIVERS\flashpt.sys /D:IDE-CD


AUTOEXEC.BAT
Quote:
@ECHO OFF
rem create ram drive W: 50mb
LH A:\MEMDRIVE\shsurdrv /D:51200K:D512:$RAM-DRIVE,W /T /Q
rem load mouse.
LH W:\MOUSE.COM
REM load doskey to remember  1)what typed in command line 2) macros
LH W:\DOSKEY.COM
LH doskey restart="W:\restart.com"
LH doskey R="W:\restart.com"
LH doskey shutdown="W:\restart.com"
rem setpath to ramdrive
SET PATH=W:
rem shsucdx assigns letters to optical drives, first letter: R, up to 4 devices
LH DRIVERS\shsucdx /D:IDE-CD,R,,4 /L:0 /QQ
GOTO MENU
..........
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Re: gost11/2003 & uide.sys/qcdrom.sys hung
Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2007 at 10:28am
 
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Thanks for your report back with your results!
 

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