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So is this company good or bad? For real...I just went on an interview the other day and the guy hired me and I am supposed to give my $145 to them after x-mas. I mean it really is alot of work money but I know you have to work hard to get appointments. I have spoken to some people and they say that they have made alot of money. The only wierd thing I noticed was that everyone that worked there already was "white". You have to understand the situation. I live in a bordertown where it is almost impossible to go somwhere without it being prodominently mexican. So that was a little fishy. and I look white but I'm not so yeah, leave me some comments I want to hear them. Thanks, Marisa

Vector Is as good as you want it to be. if you want to make money, do what Vector Says will work and you WILL make money. you will make as much money as you want as long as you put in the effort. i've been working for vector for the last 2 months, and i've made more money than i have at any other supposed "REAL JOBS". the $147 dollars that you spend to buy the knives will be earned back with in the first 30 mins you work, i can almost promise you because thats wheat worked for me.

the only people who say vector is a scam are people who sucked at it. even if you don't like the job, they'll give you the money back for the starter set you paid for. like nate said, you will only make as much as the time you put into it.

People who sell these knives don't realize that people view them as a NUISANCE. You right up there with used car salesmen. Actuall, you are BELOW used-car salesmen, because they are selling something the sonsumer actuuallly wants.

Nobody really wants your knives. I don't think you get it. Ever had a call from a telemarketer? Nobody thinks "oh, joy." Why don't you just ask for a flat donation? That will save you friends and relatives time and money.

I think Vector Marketing is a scam because you are losing more money than you are making. The manager will give you a base pay of $17.25 if you do a demo with someone and sell nothing and take it away from you after nine weeks. After nine weeks, the only way you can through them is by selling a knife.

Alright youngins and oldins, here is the real story. Vector is not a fraud or a scam, it is simply an mlm (multi level management) and a lot of people think this means that it is a pyramid scheme (they seem similar and they are, but mlms are legal and the money is very top heavy). The important thing to remember before you take any job is to research the company and its reputation.

I worked for Vector/Cutco for a summer and it was a job. It wasn't that hard, but you have to ask yourself if you really want to sell people $1000 worth of knives when there are probably a hundred other things that they should be buying.

Just make sure that you look into the tax situation among other things. You are considered an independent contractor (this means that vector doesn't have to pay taxes for your work) and you are technically self employeed. If you were to be a crazy salesman and made 50K, but forgot to take out the taxes and FICA you would need to come up with approximately 10K at the end of the year to give Uncle Sam.

My only advice is do you homework. Everything in life is what you make of it.

Good Luck.

well im about to start my training tommorow with vector any advise should i give them the 145$. Is there really room to advance in this company? let me now please....

I worked as a receptionist at Vector, so I know exactly what prospective job applicants are told. I was new to the Chicago area and really needed a job, so I decided to take it. There were about five receptionists total and it was our job to get people to come in...if we didn't schedule enough people to come in we got lectured. We had a script we were suppossed to follow and if people asked questions we were suppossed to say we didn't know anything...when obviously we knew exactly what was going on. We also weren't allowed to tell people they would be selling knives. If someone said they couldn't make it that day, we were suppossed to say that the positions are filling fast, etc. when in fact they never fill up, it's just another tactic to get people to come in. That is where I saw most of the deception...in convincing people to come in and basically lying to them. I got sick of getting paid next to nothing and the ethics of the company, so I quit. I honestly can't believe that this company is still in operation...I've seen behind the scenes and it is awful. Oh and did I mention discriminatory? People the manager deemed "too old" or "too qualified" wouldn't be accepted. Also if people called from the South Side of Chicago after seeing the ad in the Sun Times we were suppossed to tell them no positions were open at the moment....because of their skin color basically. But yeah, not a good company, i'll leave it at that.

I worked as a receptionist at Vector, so I know exactly what prospective job applicants are told. I was new to the Chicago area and really needed a job, so I decided to take it. There were about five receptionists total and it was our job to get people to come in...if we didn't schedule enough people to come in we got lectured. We had a script we were suppossed to follow and if people asked questions we were suppossed to say we didn't know anything...when obviously we knew exactly what was going on. We also weren't allowed to tell people they would be selling knives. If someone said they couldn't make it that day, we were suppossed to say that the positions are filling fast, etc. when in fact they never fill up, it's just another tactic to get people to come in. That is where I saw most of the deception...in convincing people to come in and basically lying to them. I got sick of getting paid next to nothing and the ethics of the company, so I quit. I honestly can't believe that this company is still in operation...I've seen behind the scenes and it is awful. Oh and did I mention discriminatory? People the manager deemed "too old" or "too qualified" wouldn't be accepted. Also if people called from the South Side of Chicago after seeing the ad in the Sun Times we were suppossed to tell them no positions were open at the moment....because of their skin color basically. But yeah, not a good company, i'll leave it at that.

hello all. i'd figure this may help comming froms omeone who just started. its not a scam. it seems the one thing that all these upset complaints have in common is that they were disceived into comming in for an interview. Almost every job looking to fill positions will do this so get people to commit. And how many people would come if we said "you get to sell knives". We dont lie to them to and tell them we sell another product, they give as much information as they can and offer them two choice "come or dont". There's a reason (and listen closely) that they wait for you to come to the interview to tell you this,...so you can see it and believe it for yourself. If your still not intrested then dont take the position. Also i ahve not seen many people who dislike vector taht actually stay with it beyond the initial seminar or even before three weeks after they're allowed to sell. Thats because they heard "145 for the set" (which you can return anytime and get your deposit back) or heard how we run things and ran without trying it out or tried it for one week then ran before advanced training.

Look don't believe me, and certainly don't believe anyone else who posts their opinion. go or do not. but if you go, wait it ot for some time, don't do with half of these people had and give up when it gets slightly difficult. it's not free money, its a real job with real obligations. but personally i'm aoout 1 month into it and i wanted to leave my first two weeks but stayed with it, and it only gets easier.

as for the post above me....im asian...i work with every race and every color from almost every social class imaginable. i have no experience selling, but i work with someone who had over 20 years of it....do the figuring out for yourselves and dont give up.

Alcas/Vector/Cutco is not and can not be a scam. If Cutco was a scam, they would not have been in business for over 50 years. Places like dollar stores are scams. You buy a product for a dollar because it's a good price, but it breaks after a short time of using it.

Yes, you do have to pay $146 for your sample kit. But if you do the job correctly, you can make the money back in a day or two, plus you will have a high quality set of knives that you will never have to replace.

No, it is not a "get rich quick" scheme. Most get rich quick schemes say "make $5000 in 3 days!!" or something similar. At Vector, it will take work, just like any other job, but if you do the job as they train you and do it good, you will make a good amount of money. I have been working with Vector for 4 months. I have made well over $12,000, and I am a full-time college student, I am in a band, and everything else I do. I made $5000 last month alone.

As for the training, a lot of jobs do not pay for training anymore, because many people will go to the training where they just sit around for a few hours, and then not go to work.

Vector is not a soliciting company. For me to contact a person, I MUST have their permission to do so. After I have an appointment, that person calls any of their friends, family, neighbors, or co-workers and asks permission for me to call them. I cannot call anyone or make an appointment with anyone without having their permission, meaning everyone who makes an appointment with me wants to have the appointment.

Finally, it is not a nuisance for people to make an appointment. They don't have to buy anything, but all of Vectors sales reps get $11-19/appointment. I get $15/appointment, so even if I didn't sell anything, if I made 10 appointments per week, that would be $150 every week. But if you follow the program, you will make sales and not need to worry about the $11-19/appointment.

If you don't want a job or career in sales, don't go to Vector. Otherwise, Vector is a great place to get training and knowledge for sales; not just for Vector, but for any sales job. Who cares if you don't get paid for the training? You learn things that will help you in the future with other sales jobs. As Mike posted on Jan. 7th, the people complaining are probably people who worked with Vector and did not do a good job, or people who have not even tried working with Vector. But if you are good with sales and you make personal goals to succeed with Vector, then you will have no problems.

I worked for vector last year... they owe me a check for the clients I contacted and set up an appointments with to sell the knives. I did sell their knives, but one year later I have not recived any money!!! They have been telling me for over six months they do have a check for me... One year later and I have recived no money from those basterds!

vector is deciptful. and the people who say that the people who dont like vector because they sucked at selling are stupid because they dont know...i sold for over 2 years and sold a lot and made money but i was deciving my family and friends, plus they lie about how much henckels costs. fuck them

Anybody got a starter set for sale?

You couldn't sell me that crap if it were gold plated.

I JUST RECENTLY WAS HIRED AT VECTOR.. FIRST I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT COMPANY BECAUSE OF WHAT I WAS TOLD OVER THE PHONE. I BELIEVED WHEN I SHOWED UP FOR MY INTERVIEW, THAT IT WOULD BE JUST THAT, AN INTERVIEW. WHAT IT WAS TO ME WAS A COMPLETE WASTE OF 2 AND A HALF HOURS! THEY LECTURED ME FOR OVER 2 HRS, AND THEN AFTER THAT I WAS GIVEN THE JOB. BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IT WAS NOT LIKE A "REAL JOB" AT ALL. YOU HAVE 3 "SEMINARS" ON HOW TO SELL THE DAMN KNIVES, WHERE YOU ARE UNPAID, THEN YOU HAVE TO BUY THE FUCKING THINGS FOR $145.. COME ON PEOPLE? I THOUGHT A JOB WAS TO MAKE MONEY. BUT ANYWAY, THE PROBLEM NOW IS THIS I FEEL LIKE I AM OBLIGATED TO TAKE THE JOB, BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY WASTED 2 AND A HALF HOURS LISTENING TO THEM TALK. IF ALL ELSE FAILS, I'LL PAY FOR THA DAMN KNIVES, DO MY PRACTICE TRAINING AND THEN QUIT... GET MY $17.50/PER APPT. AND RETURN THE FRIGGING KNIVES. SIMPLE AS THAT! I DON'T KNOW ABOUT VECTOR, BASICALLY IF YOU SEE IT IN THE PAPER DONT CALL... BECAUSE THEY WILL SUCK YOU IN!

Vector is the BEST job anyone can have, especially in college. My NET income was $3,000 over the first two months and I didn't work that much! This is much more money than any "Real job". The ones who complain about Vector are too lazy and too stupid to realize what a gold mine it is. Yes, it's challenging but it's sales and a real adult job IS Challenging (OMG! it is?? :) ), but is SO worth it. I showed my resume to one of my carrer consuelers at my school, and she said it was one of the best she has ever seen! So there!

When someone gets out of college and gets a "Real job" for those business majors, one has to go through unpaid training; that is the industry standard believe it or not! Also they put in a lot more money than $135 for startup costs. Also, it takes about a year for one to make a net profit for any business.

Let's put it this way, if I was a BMW salesman and someone wants a beamer, I would have to smash their dreams of their dream car because it's $90,000 (The Goremaker or Complete set) or they could move down to the Z5 (Galley Set), or a $30,000 3-Series (Studio set), or a $15,000 used car ($200 piece order). And there, I HAVE to sell the car to make any money, and there's no base pay in a real job!!!!! Vector is sales, just like a real job, so don't be a baby and just do it!

Plus, a REAL set of 18 pieces of Henckels is $1,800 in a REAL catalog like Williams-Sonoma. The Henckels in Macy's are CRAP, and those are $500!!

Now I earned 18 MORE pieces for my sample set WITHOUT spending a dime and I can use forever because I followed Vector!!!

And guess what, I made $230 in 1 1/2 hours and $385 in one day! (Just to let you know I made $190 the next day)!! Ummmm....for a "Real job" that takes about 48 hours for $8/hour, 63 for $6/hr!

Plus I'm not bugging my family and friends because I show them the world's finest cutlery!!! It's not the $50 Wal-Mart brand that last you two years, it's something they'll cherish for a long time, and they are so happy I'm into it! Then the people I do see, first get called up and then want me over!

Right now I'm a management candidate and I'm running a recruiting class on January 16! How many 19 year olds can say that?! So when I graduate college, I'll have a job and those who give up Vector and see it as a scam will have the Me-Too jobs making $8/hr or won't even have a job!!!! :)

I'd rather sell drugs than Cutco. I attended two seminars and then decided to research Alcas and Vector and found out about their shady business practices. My first and second seminars were on a Thursday and Friday with my third being on a Saturday. After the Friday seminar, we were supposed to set up at least 6 appointments for SATURDAY and SUNDAY. I'm like, "Fuck that, I'll make them for like Tuesday and Wednesday or something." So I call my manager and tell him I had about 7 appointments for the following Tuesday and Thursday, which was true. He says, "No way, they need to be for this weekend. Get back on the phone and reschedule." He then tells me he'll call back in an hour and I'm like whatever. So he calls, and I don't answer, and I repeat this process about seven times afterwards. I had the "Cutco" notebook/catalog in my possession and he left me colorful messages accusing me of stealing it. I just sent it back to him in the mail. He then called after receiving it, and asked what the hell happened with me in a rude manner. I just told him I was in jail (I was fuckin with him, though...LOL) and he seemed a little surprised, but then he asked If I was still interested in selling Cutco!! HAHA!!

I was the one who rad originally posted about. I took the job and I sold 5,500 dollars of cutco in approx 2.5 weeks of work.

During those two weeks of work, I was on the phone for 10-15 hours, preparing for the phone calls for 3-5 hours. Going into people's house's took about 2 hours per appointment, and i did around 10 each week. I made around 800 dollars before taxes

Prior to those those two weeks of work I went to a 2-2.5 hour interview, and the weekend following that, 18 hours of training in three consecutive days.

So summing that up make for
25 appts x2hours =50 hours
3 days training x 6 hours =18 hours
10 hours phone x 2.5 weeks =25 hours
preparing phone calls x 2.5 weeks =10 hours

so that is 103 hours for 800 dollars which is approx 8 dollars an hour for a job that you have to work your ass off for.

But there are a few things to consider;

1.Your comission pay increases as you sell more and more cutco
2.If you get your friends to work for cutco you will get 5% of what they sell
3.As you become more experienced, it is easier to sell more cutco.
4.The job is almost brainless they give you a manual to read (word for word)
5.It is awesome experience for someone just getting their feet wet in the adult world.

The bottom line is that cutco is not a scam. Some people say it is a scam b/c they couldn't figure out how to make money from selling knives so they claimed it was a scam.

(love the site rad)

I was a 'sales rep' for vector. I was one of the stupid ones who belived everything my manager told me. I bought the knives, went to two regional and two national confrences and spent more money than I could make. Altough I enjoyed the national confrences alot I couldn't afford it. And even though I made some good friends from the office most of the people were shady. The only ones who will ever defend Vector are the Ignorent and the dishonest. I was ignorent until I was taken off the base pay without notice. I needed that pay. I also found out that the managers had their asst. managers do all the work but for a fraction of the pay. The only good thing I've learned from being involved in this company is that people can be decitful and cruel. I now feel dirty, ashamed, and decitful because I actually sold these outragously priced knives to family and friends. If you get a chance to work for them take my advice and don't do it. Because if you do and you really want to be in marketing chances are you'll never be hired by another sales company because of it. I just wish I would have done my research before I made my choice.

P.S. I was not a lazy sales rep. I worked every day doing things for this company and sacrificed A LOT during the way. I even lost the trust and respect I once had from friends and family because of this company.

If all you guys had any idea about the world of business then you would understand the opportunity that is given. I do know that all you guys have no degrees and no clue about anything but nintendo and bullshit. While you all work at your factories i will work about 20 hours a week and make three or four times the amount you do. Now who is the sucker

just a little note, i'm curious, the original guy who this post was about, how is the job going? it sounds like you started well, i am just curious about how all is going. i've been a Vector Rep for over two years now, and i worked only over the summers, making about an average of $30 per hour both summers. it is hard work, but it's fun to figure out what the customers need, then you know they have the best product available for a reasonable price. you know they will have cutco forever, and that it is worth it. i personally purchased a set (with my own money) that my parents now have, and they use it all the time! my family and friends that i sold to keep asking me how the job is going, and the ones that purchased keep telling me how much they like what they have. some have even asked if they can get more, which i gladly help them out with. i have awesome experience with some of the best people in business out there, as well as two letters of recommendation from both my manager and the manager of the region my office is located in. i'm sure that, if i move away from vector any time soon, i will get a great job thanks to what i've learned at vector. it is a good opportunity to learn marketing skills and make great money. i would urge everyone who is interested in this kind of job (it really isn't for everyone) to give it a try and see how they do. it is a long-term commitment that will pay off if you stick with it.

VECTOR IS NOT A SCAM! I've worked for them for three summers and made over 60k with them. If you put in the work, you make money. Just like every other real job. I also recommended this job to a friend, who also made $15,000 last summer.
As a sidenote, the $145 is completely refundable should you chose to return your knives. Furthermore, I was actually a sales rep who earned the $15 base pay for the first month I worked (it is legit, trust me).
As for the sales rep being a nuisance to customers. I've seen almost 1,000 customers, and when handled with profesionalism most of them enjoy my visit and product. I don't think some one would shell out an average of $300 because they were bothered. Additionally, about 1/4 of the people I see already own cutco, and I have only ever heard how much they love it.
Vector has a good product and program. If you fail you should blame yourself, not the company.

[because I actually sold these outragously priced knives to family and friends.]

Every person I have sold cutco to has come up to me later (2 years now) and thanked me for the products. People LOVE cutco, thats why they buy it. It is not a sympathy product such as girl scout cookies.

*Every* person? Sure you're not exaggerating a bit? Sounds like hyperole.

(I was a 'sales rep' for vector. I was one of the stupid ones who belived everything my manager told me. I bought the knives, went to two regional and two national confrences and spent more money than I could make. Altough I enjoyed the national confrences alot I couldn't afford it. And even though I made some good friends from the office most of the people were shady. The only ones who will ever defend Vector are the Ignorent and the dishonest. I was ignorent until I was taken off the base pay without notice. I needed that pay. I also found out that the managers had their asst. managers do all the work but for a fraction of the pay. The only good thing I've learned from being involved in this company is that people can be decitful and cruel. I now feel dirty, ashamed, and decitful because I actually sold these outragously priced knives to family and friends. If you get a chance to work for them take my advice and don't do it. Because if you do and you really want to be in marketing chances are you'll never be hired by another sales company because of it. I just wish I would have done my research before I made my choice.

P.S. I was not a lazy sales rep. I worked every day doing things for this company and sacrificed A LOT during the way. I even lost the trust and respect I once had from friends and family because of this company.)

Danielle... ditto.

What was worse is the fact that I busted my butt... I would spend HOURS on the phone recruiting in appointments, and doing demos- I think the total amount of what I got paid was maybe around $150. I know I sold about $3k worth of products. I believe they still owe me money, but I haven't even seen another paycheck. I never saw base pay.

At one point in time I would have recommended the program, but not now. Get a steady job- even if you're only making $8/hr. At least you'll have pay and reliable opportunities for advancement while still receiving pay. Better yet, go get your college degree while you're at it. Its the only REAL way you're going to make money in this world.

Whew! Thanks for the heads up...had an appointment today at 5pm with those people
Mahalo

I think that all those who advocated the malpractices of Vector and posted it on this site as if it were a legitimate company to work for, are either current company executives, who enjoy the exploitation of the "struggling college student," by posting their argument to discount the ones made by those who experienced it. Or, they could be just top salesman, who with little experience or skills, was able to make more than enough money to put a down payment on a house, in just one summer.

All I see on this site from those clowns, who support Vector, claims that they did a half-ass job and got paid a substantial amount. Not only that, they did it in a couple of months and some in just a few weeks after they got the job. Honestly, anything that is too good to be true really is e.g. the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. I am well acquainted with top executives from my company and if I were to ask them if they got the job because they half-assed there way to the top, what answer would you think they give me? (Warning: Vector employees may attempt to refute this or answer this question child-like manner by posting more bullshit.) Other claims they make is that “…it is brainless…” hey, come on man, they tell us that we don’t have to utilize the skills and knowledge we learned or are learning in college in our job. Are they trying to say that were stupid? That’s bullshit.

Another thing that bothers me is that why those who post comments in defense of Vector do, seem to know so much about its business practices like a refund policy, unless they were in management. Would anybody in any store want to go through a refund knowing that they will lose money? The idiot who wrote this also says that it (and I use “it” referring to that person) have seen 1,000 customers. That is more customers than some retail department stores see in a week and they sell more products that is more practical to customers than just knives.

When I graduated from high school I to called this company thinking I was going to land a good job. During the interview, the manager or supervisor (I can’t remember but it was some undeserved prestigious title they gave to some clown, who cares), asked me so many questions that without effort I passed. The second interview came and this time it was a presentation, presented by the joker, among many people who got suckered into it like myself. The fool presented knives and said that we will be selling it to customers. I started to ask him questions, which he began to find really intrusive and revealing about his scam. After the presentation he told me that they were not looking for a person like me and that I was too young to work for them. But all I remember about this guy is that he wore an oversized suit that he probably got from the company’s props department to prepare the fool for his show and that his breath stunk like shit maybe from the bullshit he was spewing from his mouth.

For anyone who reads this. Do not even get tempted by these bastards. Do not call them. But if you still choose to go, please remember to take a box of “Tic-Tacs”, it will smell in there because you will have to listen to a whole lot of bullshit.

I hope that more people start filing lawsuits against this ridiculous company. And that they will like Lauren, founder of Students Against Vector Exploitation (SAVE), be reimburesed. Now let me get this straight about the few idiots who supported Vector, and claimed that it is not a scam. If a judge was able to find Vector guilty of malpractice, then why do these idiots claim it is not? What kind of judgement or opinion do those fools have against a judge?

Girls scout cookies as a sympathy product, that may be true. But at least they have a better chance of selling their cookies than a stranger who goes to someones house and try to sell knives. If you want to talk sympathy tell Vector not to sell to family and friends first, the very people who will show sympathy. Stupid idiot, get your head out of your ass, moron.

Please visit this website to read more about the clowns and jokers of the circus, Vector. You will also get information about filing complaints with government agencies. Please look into it and find out the SCAM they are practicing.
http://www.marketingcritic.info/

like any job, cutco isn't for everyone. all you people who complain about buying the knives, you should listen a little more in the interview. it is actually a deposit. you do get paid whether you sell or not. yes it is a sales position so guess what - you are expected to sell. the base rate ($11-$19 an appt.) is like a safety net. it is there to help you. the company is going in a direction where you will find little to criticize. for all of you who didn't get "paid", you probably owed the company, didn't actually do the appointment, or your manager was a little shadey. if you read the contract, it states that the manager has the right NOT to pay the base rate after the first two, that's right TWO weeks. it is up to their discretion. this is not wellfare. if you want a handout, go file un-employement. as far as taxes go, i have worked with vector for two years. i have yet to pay any taxes. i have enough deductions that i don't have to worry about it. if you make 20,000+ a year, and don't have money for taxes, wake-up and get a financial planner, or someone who will slap you around and teach you about the real world and taxes.
this job is for people who want to work. you can make good money. i am from a small country town, i am extremely lazy, and i still sold over 25,000 with the company.
but you know what, don't listen to me. don't listen to any of these people. go into an interview and listen for yourself. who would you rather believe, someone complaining about how they weren't successful with something, or something that you can form your own opinion about because you have that first hand knowledge.
give it a try.

Jim, you mentioned that "i have yet to pay any taxes. i have enough deductions that i don't have to worry about it." Does that mean that your income or the earnings you earned from Vector is exluded by the Internal Revenue Code? Any income in the form of cash or check in return for services must be reported. But you seem to sound like you know so much about it, don't you?

Vector is a scam. The product is overpriced, you have to spend hours on the phone making appointments.....it is bullshit....stay away from vector marketing!!!!!

I have recently started working for Vector Marketing in Nebraska and after my second day of training something didn't feel right.... So on my third day I went played it cool... paid my $145.00 for my started kit.. Sat threw class thinking to myself something is just not right about this company and everything that My Manager was saying he was counter dicting himself and kept throwing up red flags right and left and so I decided after I left that come the following Monday I was not even going to show up for My Advanced Training I was just going to return my friends and family members money that I had collected from purchases over the last 24 hours and show them what FRAUDS VECTOR/CUTCO/ALAS REALLY ARE... AND FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THIS COMPANY SO IT WILL NEVER BE IN BUSINESS AGAIN BECAUSE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG...

Hi! I recently started working at Vector and in only two nights I made over $10,000,000. I have absolutely no sales experience, no skills or any special training. Although I know nothing about the product I sell because I am neither a chef nor a knife producer, I believed everything my manager told me. And because my manager told me what he/she wanted me to hear, knowing that I will commit myself to this company after hearing it, I will argue against anybody who tells me otherwise or post a reasonable opinion on this website stating otherwise. While you guys are working at your regular jobs and making a decent wage I will immediately get married and raise a family so that I will have more family members to sell to. While you guys are working hard in your jobs, I, like most of my employees who posted on this site, will only do a half-ass job. In ten years I will have over $10,000,000,000 after taxes. It’s just a small amount but feel free to add more zeros at any time.

One thing I don’t understand is that why all these poor people in the world or better yet in America work for Vector? Let me tell you why, to put it plain and simple, because they suck. If they were as good as I am, raising a family of 30 children (future customers) while doing a half-ass job, it would solve the poverty problem. It’s as easy as that.

If you don’t believe me or the product that I sell, let me come to your house for a demonstration. I will cut all the pennies you have in your house just to show you that our knives take away your hard earned money.

ha i just realized why they have so many sites. It's so when you search for "vector marketing", sites like this one are kept out of the top ten results and such.

smart cons, they are.

Don't type "Vector Marketing" because like Jackie said sites like this are kept out of the top ten. You have to type "Vector Bullshit" to have this come up as a result in the top ten.

I am a recent university graduate who has worked with Vector since July of 1999. As a representative with some experience I feel obligated to post a few thoughts about the company to help out the people who are thinking about joining the CUTCO team. Currently I am at $80,000 in sales with the company. I am very familiar with the managers in my area because I was a full time assistant a few months ago. Here are my thoghts.

1) The job is NOT for everyone. You have to be a positive,highly motivated and organized person to do well. Students who don't have that kind of personality will get frustrated and usually quit. Most of the time those students like to blame the company for their failure because they did not suit the position.

2) Vector managers are indepedent contractors running their own businesses. I too have heard of the occassional manager who does not pay the base pay to the new reps. If a manager does do that, then the manager, not the company is to blame. I have never experienced a manager in my 4 1/2 years who would not pay their reps even if they did not sell.

3)You can definitely make money with this company, but just like all other sales positions, you have to work for it. Yes, it is not a normal job, but it definitely is a REAL job. In fact, I cant think of another position where young adults like us can make an above average income and gain experience. BUT you have to do the work!!!! For those of you who are complaining about it not being a real job...you have to start using your heads. With Vector you can work WHENEVER you want. Everyone else with "REAL" jobs has to work a schedule that your employer sets up for you and those individuals are making ALOT less and still working many more hours.

4) The resume experience is phenomenol. My resume has been posted and I am now in the position to select careers from 3 different businesses that are offering me $52,000-61,000 starting out. My degree is not even in sales or marketing.

5) Yes, the sample kit does cost $. The contents in the sample kit are worth over $465. That is quite a discount. I have heard of reps selling their knives outright when they decide to stop showing the product and they make over a $300 profit by doing so. Others just send the kit back and get a 100% reimbursement. For those of you who are complaining about the $145 you are forgetting to mention these things. Reps should be glad they get to have the discount.

6) The CUTCO products are outstanding. It's typical for some people not to understand the value of the producty, especially students who don't even cook. When I first started the position I didn't think they were worth the price either. But since I have grown up, been able to afford a home of my own at only 23, I understand the value and appreciate CUTCO as a guarenteed appliance. Show me another product that you can will down to your children, and then down to their children, that you can use everyday.

7) If you have tried the position and realize its not for you, its understandable. If the job was for everyone then it wouldn't pay so well. But, if you are still complaining and bellyaching about the company you need to get a life and stop trying to ruin the experience for other students who may be great at the job. Let everyone try it out for themselves and make their own decisions instead of trying to bring others down with you.

Doesn’t all seem strange that when you’re in college and in desperate need to earn some money while in school along comes CUTCO the savior? Out of desperation you call them up and immediately you are scheduled for an interview. They tell you what you want to hear to lure you in such as scholarships, flexible schedule, and like most who posted on this site advocating CUTCO “do a half-ass job and get paid tens-of-thousands.” Some people on this site claimed that they made so much money and did half the work while some say they worked so much and whenever they wanted to. It all seems contradictory. There is no sense of cohesion among what these people are posting on this site and they all work for CUTCO not to mention the poor grammar and heavy use of slang. Ones knows how they are ever able to sell so many knives.

This whole idea of taking advantage of desperate people is nothing new. Historically people do it all the time. For example, Germany in the 30’s and 40’s were so desperate for new leadership after being so poor and distraught after owing money to the allied countries after World War 1, believed everything that Hitler told them. How easily those people were brainwashed that they were willing to die for him like those who believed what CUTCO tells them and then aggressively defends it on this site. They may refute this and claim otherwise but it’s still the same idea. Whether it be the Nazis or CUTCO “a rose by any other name smells just as sweet” (Shakespeare). I am not saying that CUTCO is the Nazis and thank got for that I am simply saying that they exploit people they know are desperate.

But like what many have said on this site, even those who supported CUTCO, the choice to work for them is up to ones-self and that means going to the interview and making your own rational decision.

Alright, here is the deal. I started working for Vector about three weeks ago. VECTOR IS NOT A SCAM or Pyramid Scheme. However, it is a shameless operation which, unfortunately works within the law. From the first ring of your initial phone call, you are decieved. Obviously, they cannot initially tell you that you will be selling knives, but the lies continue in several ways. Firstly, you are told no door to door selling. This is a stretch of the truth. True, you are not knocking on strangers doors, but you have to sell your family and friends on all these stupid knives and products. THIS IS SHAMELESS. If you are a Vector rep...look at yourself! This is the worst kind of person you can be. Secondly, the training and Advanced Training is a 15 hour misrepresentation of knives and knife products in general. The loophole is that the falsifications are not printed in the manuel, but you are told to pencil them in. Sneaky, huh?? I have since resigned and kept my sample set. Cutco is a good product, I use it all the time. If you are considering Vector for work, I challenge you to go to the interview and training knowing all that you know now. Listen to the way the presenter skillfully avoids serious questions and contridicts him/herself quite frequently. If you are working there now, I would advise you to re-evaluate your relationship with friends and family. This is a shameless operation that is unfortunately-- legal!

Now you know...and knowing is half the battle (GI Joe)

hahaha...i just got done with an interview there...i felt like something was fishy too and i told a friend i had just gotten the job and he told me one of his friends did it and it WAS a scam. so i searched "vector marketing" and saw all the different sites and was wondering why the hell there were so many different ones and thought EXACTLY what jackie thought. FUCK THEM...im not going back.

vector/cutco totally kicks.
If u failed it is b/c u suck.
This is the truth

vector is run by a bunch of decieving bastards who have no morals or ethics. i worked at vector for about 3 months and they were the most disrespectful people ever. i became friends with one of the secretary people and she told me all the lies that the managers try to come across as "truths." vector is a huge joke trying to seperate family and friends, do not work for them because trust me, they don't give a damn about you. if they can get 100000 people to sell there shitty product then they will. they dont give a damn because all they do is bull shit and they are not good people. also they still owe me money from my last check which they seem to have "lost in the mail." bottom line is this company is going to hell just like the people who run it.

What most of you seem to forget is that these are the #1 knife product in the world that are guaranteed FOREVER and that Cuto (the maker of the knives) is a separate company than Vector I work for Cuto and would love to get rid of Vector but the president of Vector has his hands too deep into Cuto now and now they are laying off the people that are making the product, we are all pissed that they are screwing some of the college kids because it is affecting us. I don't care what you guys say about Vector but try to separate Cuto from your redirect.

I don't know where you're getting your info (since you failed to provide a supporting link) but CutCo is NOT the #1 knife.

Henckels is far better.

See here

So what if Cutco and Vector isn't for you. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to make you work there. Thousands of high school and college students work there and do well. If its not for you then fine but why try to discourage others from doing well??? It isn't for everyone and you shouldn't feel bad if you didn't do well. If someone doesn't succeed in any sales job does that mean its a scam or does that just mean it isn't for them? There are jobs out there for everyone and personally I think its a bit silly that you are getting that worked up over a job that you didn't even want... Just take it easy, no one is being forced to do anything. The facts are laid out for everyone to see if someone doesn't want to do it thats fine but do you really think that people who don't want to work there are so dense that it takes someone like you to open their eyes? Let people decide for themselves.

The complaints about Vector rarely have to do with whether or not somebody was successful, they generally have to do with the dishonest, deceptive, and exploitative tactics the company uses. The ability of a person to have success with the company or whether or not the company is for you are side-issues that have nothing to do with the fact that the company is very shady and corrupt, their recruiting tactics are deceitful and offensive, and their sales tactics are underhanded and misleading. Vector isn't a scam because many don't succeed, it is a scam because of their fraudulent business practices, the kind of which they've even admitted to in settlement with authorities in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Australia. Quitting Vector once you find out the truth isn't failure, it's just plain smart.

No one holds a gun to your head but the advertisements are extremely vague and anybody who hears about a customer service job with no telemarketing or door to door sales being paid $15 is going to waste their time coming in to find out the offer is totally different than they were led to belive, and some will end up being roped in not fully understanding the job with promises of great money and being their own boss. People go to a Vector office looking for a job interview and end up finding out they were tricked into coming in for a sales pitch on a business opportunity. Now wonder people call Vector a scam!

Thank you KL for elaborating on this issue in a well-defined and articulate manner.

If the knives are so good, why not sell them in retail stores, as does their competition? Why goto the fuss and bother of taking on salesmen, training and motivating them through fear and financial need, besides making the guaranteed sale to them and their parents?

Could it be because THIS is how they make their money?!?

Pro-Cutco people defend their decision with hysteria and profanity because it would cause them too much psychological grief to realise that they got sucked into such an exploitative and losing scheme. "I'm not a loser!! Yo'ur a loser!! Our team manager Brad is a great guy! Cutco totally ROCKS!!!"

This is a very interesting site.

First, for the people who had freinds work with Cutco or never finihsed the interview or seminar need to stop writing stuff in here. It's like me going to your house and holding a sign that says " don't talk to the kid inside because he is a psycho' then they ask how I know and I'll say " i don't know, I heard someone say that' You don;t know what you are talking about.

The ones who did not succedd with cutco- sorry- sales is not for everyone BUT THEN AGAIN- nothing is for everyone.

They can all agree with me whether they admit it or not- or that Cutco is the BEst as far as cutlery. If they do not agree, I'm sure their customers would.,

Sample kit- you're told about it but more importantly- for those that bitch about it- RETURN IT and you will get your money back.
PROBLEM SOLVED.

it takes hard work and committment, I would agree. If you did not get paid- I understand that is something different for your appointment. Try calling your manager- you'd be surprised what talking to them NOw instead of saying "You were in JAIL" (that was real mature)
Let them know- and then have a concrete and proven idea of what Vector is about

I do work for the company- I am a student( whever said that I like watching students suffer is not the brihtest- ) I am a students buddy- So I sell and I am not an executive. I have been selling for almost 4 years now.

It is not a scam , and don't just take my word but their are many factors to how people base their opinions.

If you want a high paying job that has great resume experience and is a ton of fun which is very flexible with schedules - than work with Vector- it is not a get rich quick sceem.
There is a catch-

Follow the program (read from a book)
and Work hard.

That's it.

I just sold Cutco for my first weekend and already doubled what I paid to leave a DEPOSIT on my Demo Kit in 6 appts., I get $12 per demo regardless for as long as I represent the company, I am a certified para-legal so I'm not entirely stupid about legal terminology and the contract guarantee's me $12 per demo for as long as I am a sales rep for the company. One of my demo's this weekend was to a couple that has already had their Cutco for 12 years and wanted to expand their set. I am only $60 in sales away from my second promotion in 2 days. I have yet to give a demo to any close friends or family and the very first thing I said to every person to which I demonstrated was "Do not buy anything if you don't want it, I get paid regardless. Don't feel like you have to". My aunt has had her cutco since 1976 and has not even had it sharpened yet. By the by, Cutco has been the #1 selling brand in the United States for the past 3 years. I thought the pitch sounded shady when I heard it, so I did my own research and even Consumer Reports has them listed as the Best Buy in kitchen cutlery. The grade of steel used is no longer 440A, but 544A, it does happen to be the exact same steel as Henkels the difference is that Henckels only offers a warranty for manufacturer defects. Cutco guarantee's their knives for as long as they exist. I already have 7 more demo's scheduled in the next 5 days and 3 of them are already Cutco owners. IF THE KNIVES WERE GARBAGE THOSE THAT HAVE OWNED THEIR KNIVES FOR SEVERAL YEARS WOULD NOT BE EXPANDING THEIR SETS.

Excellent ZB, I was getting such a headache from all the negative vibes being put out here. I had also researched the company before starting with the company. I came across this site in the process. Alot of ugly stuff posted here, however, I went on to work for the company ( Doh!). I love the job by the way. I haven't lost any friends and family over it either. In fact a few of them are calling me to sell them more CUTCO (they love it so much). My conjecture is that some more baseless arguments are going to be posted after this one. See if I'm not right. Relax folks, it will be alright.

Cutco IS a scam. I knew something was wrong the first day. In fact, a week after workingfor cutco, I researched all the facts Vector told us in those stupid manuals. As was mentioned, the best steel is not 440A, as Vector says, but actually 440c(im a metalsmith). The knives are stamped knives, not forged, which is a cheaper process that produces an "ok" product. Also, as far as the pillsbury bake off, the knives are not used in it, they are given as prizes. dont beleive me? check the pillsbury site yourself. I found that the double d edege is actually not all that efficient, and that the article in consumer digest that vector brags about states that cutco is good for a stamped knife. As far as that henckels set, it can be seen on amazon.com for about 600 dollars or less, and it is the same one as advertised. what vector doesnt tell you is that that is the price of the knives if bought separately. the set the put together is nonexistant. it is not an actual set that is sold by henckels. when i brought all of this information to my district manager, he didnt have much to say. he tried to explain parts about the steel and the processs, but hmmm im a METALSMITH. also, he could not explain the henckels ad, saying he didnt know it wasnt a set. i dont know about all of you, but if those arent lies, i dont know what is.

is it just me or do all these poeple who swear cutco is a good company to work for sound like the same person....

I resent those who are misrepresenting what Vector is all about. We sell very high quality cutlery, with better materials than Wusthof or Henckels, both in steel and handle materials. Our guarantee is much more comprehensive than either of our competitors. Go see for your self in stores, read their guarantee. Consumer Digest ranks us as a "Best Buy" in premium grade cutlery. Dont you think they are smart enough to be able to objectively evaluate our products? After all, they accept no product, no money for advertising or otherwise from manufacturers. They are supported by their subscriber base and are considered as honest an evaluation organization as can be.
Further, if you decide to work for Vector, you do pay about $145 for your sample set. You have the choice of placing that $145 as a deposit, then getting it refunded if you decide to leave Vector. Or you can simply buy it outright. You have the choice. Cutco is charging wholesale prices approximately. The retail value is over $400 for the product in the sample set. Most reps who decide to leave Vector either keep high quality product for personal use, or sell it for a profit.
If you are self-disciplined and ambitious you CAN make money.

Nice to see Vector Marketing spamming the boards of workopolis.com almost every week.

Wow, some of you are overanalysing this thing way too much. Working for this company can be a great experience for some folks. Some have it, some don't . Not everyone is meant to be a doctor or a soldier for example. If its not for you.. leave it alone for God's sake. As far as I am concerned that Forever Guarantee is second-to-none. Also, much time and consideration goes into the design of each product item. If the company developed cutlery that people would have to keep replacing...wouldn't they be losing out? Not everyone is forced to buy CUTCO. If the customer thinks that the value is greater than the price(a one-time buy product) they will buy. Free country ; matter of choice. Suck it up and drive on.

i worked with vector/cutco for 3 years and have experienced both sides - good and bad.

the problem essentially is that vector has no employees, only independent contractors. as such individual managers are not / can not be held accountable for their actions. accordingly some people get a crap office / manager and have bad experiences and for this there is no excuse. it means that overall the company has many problems.

having said that i was one of the lucky ones who got into a great office with a great structure and an ethical management team. the experience i received there (and the money) was phenomenal and it helped me receive so many job offers when i graduated - from some of the top companies in the world.

the fact is that it is not a scam - if it was it would have been shut down long ago.

however, the fact is that it is not a totally honest company either... although they tell you everything about sample kits, payment structure, etc, in the interview, they do cloud it sometimes in half truths and that's definitely not good business practice.

in short, it is potentially a very good opportunity for students but needs a lot of cleaning-up internally in order to fix up problems, as there are clearly a lot of negative vibes.

each individual should check it out for themselves.

since the knives are so much better than the rest if sold in stores they would be a lot more expensive

use common sense: if any good is taken directly to the customer, skipping intermediaries, then it is a lot cheaper

If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Why would anyone want to work for a company that relys on deception and deceit. Those of you who are making money at Vector, good for you. Drug dealers make a lot of money too. Did you ever wonder why they target college students? Because they are easily decieved and inexperienced, unassuming of the world's cruelty. Take some advice, grow up, stop being immature, stay away from Vector.

well, im a 19 year old college student...in 4 months, ive sold $30,000 and have made about $10,000...now, i wanna know what other job a 19 yr old college student can have and make that kinda money...whoever can't sell cutco is truly a moron...i really feel bad for those who can't do it :)

If you actually know how to sell and stick with something then Vector is nothing but a great opportunity. I have made tons of money and so have my friends. I have 2 friends that have worked with Cutco and Vector for years, each went to college to obtain degrees, came back with degrees and several job offers only to stay with Cutco and head up locations that some could only dream to live in...not to mention the money they make is awesome. Plain and simple, this is no scam, never has been, and if it doesn't work for you, plain and simple, it's your fault. Get motivated and get a job...dont tell me to get a 'real job' or anyone else that works with Vecotr..we have 'real jobs'...they're just too real for you. P.S. You're one of those that blame everyone for what you do wrong, eh? ..yeah, those types don't sell anything well.

TO ERIKA -
I am an office manager and receptionist with vector and have been for years. I have never been instructed to hide the truth or be shady, if you did, that is your fault and ur only. Which is why you probably don't work there anymore. Cutco Receptionists are honorable, honest, and helpful, anything else will and should not be tolerated.

If you guy's say that Cutco is a scam, then why are they still in business? Do you people suck at everything that all you can do is trash talk. Get off your lazy ass, turn off the nintendo, go out and do something with your life. I haven't went to training yet but I plan on going. Plus I have a job that pays real good anyways. I just want a little bit of side money. Even if I don't sell the knives it's not going to hurt me at all. I think that all the people that talk all this trash just suck at everything, and can't do anything right. They just live at home and suck on there mommys tit. Shut the hell.

To anyone saying Vector's been around for 55+ years you've been misled. Vector's been around only about half that and during that time the authorities in at least 2 states and a country (Wisconsin, Arizona, and Australia) have come after them for fraud. Vector settled each time, admitted to misleading jobseekers, and promised not to do it again. Cutco has been around 55+ years though. In 1982 Cutco was a money losing company about to be shut down by Alcoa who then owned it, management then borrowed up to their ears and bought the company and acquired Vector Marketing to sell the products and keep Alcas afloat.

To KL...I sure hope you never become a weather reporter....ur facts are totally fucked!

I just got back from my "interview" . I've talked to a few people that were there and I didn't hear anyone say they didn't get the job . Since this seems like a scam and legit at once , I'm going part time . Let you all know in a while how it works out .

I just got back from my "interview" . I've talked to a few people that were there and I didn't hear anyone say they didn't get the job . Since this seems like a scam and legit at once , I'm going part time . Let you all know in a while how it works out .

I have worked for Vector for just over a year now and it has been the best experience. I have learned a lot about myself and how to work with people. Vector is not a scam and anybody who says that it is does not deserve the great opportunity that Vector has to offer. I have personally made over 10,000 dollars in income. I love everything about this company and recommend this to anybody who doesn't want to be stuck behind a desk 9 to 5 everyday. I have gained so much experience that corporations look for on resumes and I look forward to working with this company through college and longer.

My name is Lauren Takahashi and I don't believe anybody who says anything negative about Vector/Cutco. I have now been working for Vector/Cutco for approximately 7 months and it has been an awesome experience. Not only have I learned valuable lessons in communication, managerial development, hard work and effort but I have learned valuable lessons about life. Vector is all about developing people to get them to their greatest potential. Now as a representative I have made over $15,000 in income in the short time I have been working for the company and have had 10 promotions, including my Assistant Manager promotion. I have never seen a company or even heard of a company who promotes advancement in such a positive way. So for those who don't want to take advantage of the Vector Opportunity or even give the opportunity a chance, I believe it's your loss. The energy in every person in Vector is a positive energy. The vibe of success lingers in every office that stands. It feels great to have people who around my age range to be so successful at a young age. At the age of 18, I never would have thought I could be the person I am today. Because of Vector, I've grown so much. And, I plan on growing with this company for a number of years to come.

I have been employed with Vector for almost 2 years this October and in a short amount of time, as a 19 year old college student, I have made over 20k. I realize that the Vector OPPUTUNITY isnt for everybody. Its only for those people who aspire to live a successful life. By taking into consideration that in anything good, there's always someone or something trying to bring it down. As our company expands our reputation as a legit corporation will grow. I'm looking forward to many more years as a Vector/ Cutco rep.

Mr. "I have a job", get a REAL job. You only have a contract. Here's a Cutco press release outlining Cutco's financial problems in the early 80s and Vector only being around since 1982:
http://www.cutco.com/jsp/news/pressDetail.jsp?pressId=102

Here's a document showing the action the Australian authorities took against Vector
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=351240&nodeId=file3f557eea58cdf&fn=s87B_99_6H.pdf

Note from Webmaster. I run this site. The blogging software used to enter these comments allows me to view the IP address of the person entering the comment.

I have noticed that many of the POSITIVE comments originate from the SAME IP ADREESS .. indicating they come from the SAME PERSON (at the same computer) .. even tho it appears they come from different people.

This would make it seem like there are many more people out there who view Vectr/Cutco as POSITIVE, when, in fact, the number if much smaller.

Doesn't matter if Vector does work out for you and you made money, it's not worth $175 for that lousy set of knives, they brain wash you to think that it's a good set of knives, when in fact it's just a sharp set of knives... they're decent, but not worth $1169 for a set. All the rope cutting and leather cutting presentation works in their advantage, what just because they cut rope it's suppose to mean they cut good? NO! You don't cut ropes with your knives, just food, and being able to cut food is the goal of having a knife, not ropes, i bet if you were to cut something else the other knives might be better (Say pop can or maybe plastic. Remember Vector held numerous test and found out that by cutting rope, it's working to THEIR advantage.

Anyhow, I bet they earn enough from the $175 set of knives they sell to their Sales Rep!

check this out
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?vector&1701
Then tell me it's so good working for Vector

It's so goooood working for vector!!!

its just as easy to assume that all the positives are from the same person as all the negative are from the same person. Static Ip's and Networks make it literally impossible to track location or name due to these factors. But seeing as how you started the site, you prolly would only want people to think that the positives are from just one person but the negatives are all from different people. Ignorance is bliss.

It's Mrs. I have a job to you and also, Im not under any sort of contract. And nice link! It proves Vector is the best selling in Canada and US.

Part 1:

This is a big scam. Anyone who doesn't believe me is delusional.

I used to work there a few years ago, during the summer of my undergraduate studies. They didn't give me my $800 depost back. They lied about being Forbes 1998, 1999, and 2000 "Company of the Year". They lied about everything. They bring you into the big room with all these trophies in order to make you believe they are really great, sit you down, and just sell themselves to you.

Jobs don't sell themselves to the people getting interviewed. It is the one seeking employment who is supposed to be doing the selling.

And while they are selling themselves to you, they aren't ecven talking about the job. They only do that once you give them the $800 deposit. And even when they get around to telling you, the information they give you doesn't do you any good.

I like the part about having to pay them to attend 'mandatory' confereces too. That was really nice of them. They basically are saying: pay us money to attend our conferences, or else you don't meet the employment conditions and thus you won't get paid. Well thank you Vector, you are making me pay you money so you will give me my paycheque. That makes perfect sense.

in a way it is a scam. and in a way is it not. and well, if you did your research you would see that vector. you it has been sued many many times, you can even look up the "SAVE" web site. *student agienst Vector exp* and see many reason way Vector is a scam. and well..the botton line is. you are a sale man. and not a lot of people can sale. it is a tuff job. and that fact don't you have to ask your friends? really. like, it asking your freinds to buy 350 worth of tools. and they are very good tools. and it funny too. the office i went to from my 2 interviews is that they also had a lot of "Awards" i mean a lot. and today, they try to make me feel that i can make a lot of money and win stuff during the "Fast Start 10 days thing" and there is when i started to think. is this too good to be true? and well it is. but the botton line is, you can make lot of money in this job. however, do you really want to bug your friends, your family, into scumming them into buying some thing they don't really need?
peace

Yeah i had a interview with vector this past wednesday and it did seem hella suspect and shady, they claim that they are this million dallor company then you think they would be able to afford better offices, the one in rockville maryland is so bootleg, their ceilings were water damaged and they had bootleg trophies everywhere and playing EVE the rappers music in the show room.(the un editted version) Thats not a perfessional business setting, and like someone previously posted, they were all white and i dont know the offer they were giving sounds extremely temping, but a good thing never lasts to long before some serious consquences are dished out. If anyone decides to work for them be careful and watch out for your own personal being

I have just been hired by vector is this company really a scam if so somebody please let me know before i go to my training on Thrs. Fri. and Sat.

Shae,
I always look at these things just to see what people are saying about the company but I'm telling you from personal experience (I was an assistant manager) the company is fun to work for, I met a lot of great people, but I worked ridiculous hours and made little to no money doing it. They try to get you into the company, if you want to go and see if it's for you just ask the manager a few questions and see if you get a straight answer. Ask how much the average rep sells before they leave Vector (the avg. is around $2,500 and at the commission rate you get paid it comes to about $270 and that is normally over several weeks of selling) Also if you are constantly getting base pay many managers will take you off it and say that it is just to give you motivation. Also ask how many times a week you will be required to make phone calls, they will tell you whenever you want but you will have to make daily PDI calls and if you don't have the "right" number of appointments they will tell you to make phone calls right then. You will also have to go to weekly meetings (you aren't paid for phone time or meetings). You could sell alot and make some money, but it is not for everyone, you start out by trying to sell to your relatives and then getting references off them to do other appointments with. Honestly I'd say run the other way. I just wish someone would have told me this instead of me working for them for 2 years. The first year I thought it was just the customers I was seeing. Then I was an assistant, I worked about 75 hours a week, had off a total of 10 days the entire summer (including weekends) and made only a little over $3,000, that is less than minimum wage no matter how you figure it. So the decision is yours, just make sure you ask about anything you have hesitations on if you decide to go to training.

Working for Cutco/Vector/Alcas was the biggest mistake I have ever made. Eeveryone's all happy and cheerful and shit and it got annoying as fuck the first day I worked there, but slugged it out. Sold a bunch of knives to my fam and called it a summer, but didnt get paid for everything, and when I called they would just bullshit. In order to become a management trainee to open an office first you get like a year worth of brainwashing, you gotta front like a grand or two, and basically have no life whatsoever as long as you work there. My manager was there from like 9 a.m. to 10 p.m., what a loser. I wasted half of my summer before I said fuck it and quit, but they still kept calling me to come to those pep rally ass meetings. Dont sell them shitty ass knives your friends and family will never let you forget it, trust me.

Hi, I am a management major at Purdue University. Let me tell you, selling Cutco knives is a pyramid scheme. It is not good business. The people selling the knives are in denial and will support it all the way. Why would you want to tell someone you were dooped. I feel sorry for those selling because the people on top are just using you. What business makes you pay 145 up front. Makes no sense. You exhaust all of your family and friends and then you have no more customers. That's alright because the people at the top have just made money off of you and your poor family who probably didn't need knives anyway. The product may be legit (although the knives are too pricey for what they are worth) but the business layout is not a good one. Let's be smart...17 base salary and hundreds of flyers over many campuses across the country just doesnt' add up. Make millions at home..just doesn't add up. Let's be smart people. Earn your money the smart way with some integrity. It does not look good on a job app to put you worked for Vector.

I had my interview two days ago and the way it was explained really did seem like it was too good to be true. My training starts tomorrow and after reading this I'm very wary about joining this company. I hope what all of you are saying is true, because I am relying on your information in order to make an informed decision. I'll let you know how the training went... *peace*

I just had an interview with them just about 35 minutes ago. I wouldn't even bother to look at this site or type in at google.com: "Vector Scam"

Actually another person who interviewed after me was talking with an employee while he was waiting for his interview. He said that his father told him this is all a scam. But he wanted to come down and see it for himself.

The office did seem fishy, with rap music playing, pictures of rafting trips, "trophies" from Vector district mgrs, and names of "employees" like Jay Ballz. The office was not what imagined, I at least thought it would be a telemarketing job.

Though they didn't tell me about the $145 you have to pay to start work. I wouldn't do it anyway, and cause I don't have a car and commute to college via train, I probably wouldn't get hired. Scam or not, it is all what these customers want or not. My guess is if you pressure them after thy invite you in, and leave angry and w/o a sale. You'll might hate Vector and this job. I also saw only pics of white people in the office as well.

its funny how the admin of the site started this site to be "honest" with others about cutco "dishonesty" yet, he continually erases replies everynight that might jeopardize his cynical attitude towards vector. If the admin really wanted you to find out what is true about cutco, he wouldn't erase whatever might not support his thoughts..i agree with "ignorance is bliss"

I Am currently working for cutco and I love their knives. They do pay well for the work and time you put in, and true that they don't pay you for training but if you really believe in this product being paid would be no problem. You should feel happy that you are letting people who have never heard of cutco get a good quality knife. I had a woman that i demoed say that Cutco was 10x's better than Henkles. Any one who says Cutco is a joke must be dissalusioned to the truth. You guys are the ones who are trying to scam people by telling them that Cutco is a joke.

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I worked for Vector for less than 3 months about ten years ago. It made me realize I didn't like sales jobs. But, I ended up with some great knives (and scissors) and have just recently bought a set.

Why would anyone spend so much time maintaining a site like this? Hmmmm.

I haven't "erased" any posts, but I did have a problem with the spam-filtering software I use: MT-Blacklist. It somehow became configured to filter the "dash" character. It took me a while to figure that out. It was even filtering my own posts.

Anyway, I apologize for any inconvenience.

I received a letter through the mail offering me this "great opportunity" to work for Vector, so I applied online and they immediately scheduled me for an interview. (Seemed kind of desperate to me, but hey, a job is a job, right?) So I arrived to the Oakbrook office and more people showed up by the minute. We were asked a few questions, and then invited to a "second interview." During this second interview, JUSTIN DONALD, the district manager of Vector, fed to us the company information, demo, pay, market information, and even displayed some articles in which Vector/Cutco were featured (although he did not pass these around as he had been the actual knives he used in the demo) One thing that he said that sticks out was that Vector was "highly selective" of its employees, and that not everyone would get hired for these positions. I looked around the room and already saw a few who certainly could not qualify. (For example: some guy who decided to wear GYM SHOES to the interview-note: I am not criticizing his wardrobe, but dress up pants, a dress up shirt and a tie with GYM SHOES is NOT business like attire. Also, some girl wore this outfit that looked as if she was ready to head out to a club-not very professional, and she kept interrupting the interview by asking to go to the bathroom. Finally, two cell phones rang during the interview,and both guilty parties mumbled a few words of pardon) After the "introduction" to what we were going to be doing, we were asked to fill out some essay questions while we were called in to another office (by two's) and told if we had a job or not. I was sitting next to some guy and we were asked what we thought of the whole presentation, while I answered well, (I do not exaggarate when I say this) they guy next to me stammered and stuttered, "Umm...well....the products...they're...good..uhh" and what do you know, we BOTH got the job. It seemed to me that as I saw everyone walk out of the double doors in the back to the parking lot, everyone in that room with me had been accepted. EVERYONE. (So much for that "highly selective" crap, huh?) When I told my mother about the job, she seemed wary. As soon as I mentioned the $146 of deposit we had to make, she immmediately said it was a scam. I was quick to defend Vector because I had not stumbled across websites such as these that would make me doubt my words of assurance. However, my training isn't until tomorrow and I have decided not to go. Believe me, it is not because I feel that I am not fit for this position, or that I am too lazy and wont work my butt off to see this job pay off, it is simply because I want to avoid any trouble that working for Vector might bring me in the future.
I have read almost every comment posted on this site and I have a few things in response to some of the most "common" postings that have been made.
#1: "CUTCO's products are awesome-they do not suck therefore stop bad mouthing CUTCO"--these arguments weren't made against the products themselves, they were made against VECTOR MARKETING, and just like someone (I forgot who) posted earlier: Cutco and Vector are two different things to critique.
#2: "I make more money than you and all I have to do is pick my nose while you bust your ass off"--If you choose to work for Vector because of the easy income,then good for you. You are entitled to your own actions. However, it is very immature for you to post a comment on this website and criticize those who prefer to put a little more effort into their job and to say that these people are stupid for not working for Vector. Keep those type of comments to yourself and simply say that you enjoy working for Vector because of the income you are receiving. There is no need to put everyone else down just because they chose not to work there.
#3: "The reason you talk bad about Vector is because you were no good for the job in the first place"--first of all, do you know the abilities of the person who posted the comment? No. So who are you to judge what this person is capable of doing, or what they are not? I can assure you that ANYONE, at any given time, can lie and manipulate anyone into getting what they want, so what would make selling Cutco products any different? And besides, if the training is as good as they say it is (so good that anyone with no experience at all can succeed in this job) then how can you say that not "EVERYONE" is made for this type of job?
Final thoughts: For those who are working at Vector Marketing--congratulations...you made it on their "highly selective list." For those who are undecided--(someone posted this same idea earlier) go to the interview yourself and see what you decide after knowing what you know now about some of the bad experiences shared on this website, and be more skeptical about everything that they will feed you during the interviewing process. Note the people around you and ask yourself if YOU would hire them if you were running a very important "Top Notch" company, and see if they end up landing the job or not. (Most likely they will.) For those who prefer not to even step foot into the Vector territory--you have your reasons for choosing not to, and they are respected; just make sure that you are not put down by anyone else for taking this action.

hello guys... well to start off: last summer I was interviewed by vector, the only problem was that I wasn't 18 yet, and when I was going to turn 18 I was moving FAR away to college. Well now I'm back home for the summer and I also know that vector has an office where I go to school. I need quick & easy money right now because I'm going to need to put a down payment on the apartment I'm getting next year. Not only that, but I'm going to school 3000 miles away and I would like to have a lil time to visit friends and family while I'm home - so the flexible schedule seems to work for me. I know that to some people selling knives or whatever may seem boring, but for me-hardly. I'm going to school and majoring in culinary arts - I want to be a chef & own my own restaurant. I've researched vector AND the cutco products. TRUTHFULLY: Cutco is not a bad brand of knives.. I know many chefs who actually own these knives for at home use. I wouldn't go trying to sell these to an exec. chef for him/her to use in a restaurant.. but they are good knives for everyday kitchen use. One thing i noticed that is a 'scam' about the knives particularly is the french/chef's knife they offer. Normally a french knife can be used for just about everything.. yeah it is an expensive knife, but it does everything like i said & it is a good investment for the right person you can be cutting meat, veggies, you name it. But the knife cutco offers is only supposed to be used for cutting veg. & fruit. (IT WILL BREAK IF YOU USE IT TO CUT MEAT!!!) SO what they do, is make you buy ANOTHER knife that can cut meat to make up for what the french knife doesn't do. It is definitely cheaper to buy ONE good quality french knife that does everything than to buy these two seemingly cheaper knives. Ok people.. so yeah, I am considering working for vector, but I'll tell you one thing, I won't lie to the customers I'm selling to and tell them that this is a great knife when I wouldn't buy it myself.. and let me tell you, I KNOW my knives. I suggest to vector employees to gain the trust of your customers by telling them these little things that other people don't normally hear. I'm sure that your customers will appreciate this and buy OTHER knives from you or at least give you more appointments and recommend u to their friends (especially for your honesty). This is also a good business strategy... just think of it this way: someone is selling you a car and you were looking at this nice looking one in the lot when he says, "oh that IS a nice looking car, but to tell you the truth, (this this and that) is wrong with it, how about I show you a better quality car.. I want you to get your money's worth"... now aren't you more likely to buy a car from this person? It's called customer-business trust, and I think you really should use it. Don't be a sell out if you are going to go into this business.

Going in for an interview tomorrow.

How exactly DOES Vector work? Do you get money per appointment? How do appointments work? I hear pros and cons from both sides and I'd like to know more...thanks.

Just a few comments about the knives. Anyone who thinks these knives are worth their price haven't done enough research on them. First of all check the #8 link on this blog entry, it gives some good info on Cutco compared to other brands. Secondly, Master Chef Wylie Dufresne told GQ magazine "I have plenty of friends whose parents have Cutco in a knife block. You pull them out and they're all as dull as can be." Norman Weinstein, a nationally recognized kitchen knife skills instructor was quoted by the Baltimore Sun newspaper as saying this about Cutco: "Why, why, would you buy such a knife?" (the Baltimore Sun article has a lot of other good info in it, you can read it here:
http://www.thecomplaintstation.com/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi/Forum/Subtopic/SubtopicID=00034515 )
Consumer Reports found the handles (similar to the ones Wear Ever Cookware dumped decades ago) were more uncomfortable than most and the blades corrode easier than most. They are stamped, thinner, more flimsy, lack bolsters and have inferior balance, use serrated "Double-D" edges- which are generally to be avoided for most tasks- as a main selling point, and are sold by questionable means.

Oh and one last thing I forgot, for unbiased information about how Cutco and other various kitchen knives have done in kitchen knife reviews, check out this site:
http://www.consumersearch.com/www/kitchen/kitchen_knives/fullstory.html

Only one professional reviewer likes Cutco knives. Cutco is sold exclusively through door-to-door sales, much like Amway products. On consumer opinion sites like Epinions and Deja.com, we found glowing testimonials for Cutco knives, but it's hard to tell how many of these are written by salespeople. In fact, even in reviews of other brands of knives, Cutco is mentioned. This leads us to suspect that some members of the Cutco cult are not beyond writing negative reviews of another product in order to bolster their own claims. In fact, it seems that Cutco makes a perfectly fine (though very expensive) stamped knife, but the odd commentary on these sites takes the edge off our desire to include this brand in ConsumerSearch Fast Answers.

Wow, I have my interveiw tonight. I heard about the company through a friend who found a job ad in the paper. She had her interveiw the other night, and was hired right away. When I had called for an interveiw, I was asked barely any questions, and though I ask a lot of questions, a got almost no answers. it wasn't till I asked my friend how the interveiw went did I even learn the name of the buisines. She seems to be completely into the idea, I mean $14.50 (supposedly) an hour sound great, too good to be true, which it is. I started researching the company last night, and today during studyhall I found some very disturbing complaints. It is sad that a company has to rely on the unexpirenced youth of America to sell their over priced products. I know now that even if this job is ligit, It would not be the job for me, I just can not sell expensive knives to my friend ans family for a ridiculaous inflated price. I will be informing my friend, and my cousin (Who Ironically has also gottin into the business) before they get screwed over. It would be great if they, or myself made that kind of money. But very few (the lucky) actually do so, so until then I will be working more than one job, like every other working shmuck.

Interesting comments. I spent my college summers selling paint and hardware at Sears for barely a little higher than minimum wage. Now as a 30-something homeowner, I knew 2 college kids from my church that sold Cutco knives of which I bought a $700 set from one of them about 5 years ago. Are these knives better than Ginzu? Yes. Are they professional quality? More or less yes. Do I feel ripped off? The cost is high, but these are better knives than any I've ever used and am happy with it so far along with knowing it has a lifetime warranty. I know that much of the price I paid goes to the sales rep, but so do things like Girl Scout cookies and Entertainment coupon books. Do I feel the reps were nuisance? Absolutely not, I accepted his house call. If you as a sales rep feel you are lying about the product you are selling or just don't like selling, do something else. If you believe in it, and can make some decent summer money, go for it. Is is a scam? Probably, as much as kids selling the GS cookies and Entertainment coupon books or school raffle tickets or neighbors selling life insurance to you.

Thanks so much for this info...my fiance was ready to go have an interview at Vector and I'm glad I did some research before he got sucked in, as most of you have been saying. The letter they sent us made it sound like a telemarketing job...very interesting.

I went to the interview today. #1, before i came into "Vector" i realized this place was right next to a high school, hmmm i wonder why..........next thing i noticed: vector was not the best looking office iv been in. The place seemed like a scam right away. As i went in, i realized there were a shitload of people there, then i noticed a pile of fil-out sheets, hmm....1st question in my mind: Do they do this everyday? Then i went into the..."office", or whatever they call it. Looked around, and realized that all they had is sports magazines, and trophys. The room looked like a joke to me. I started laughing and smilling everytime i looked around. I knew right away that this place was bullshit. If you make millions of dollars per office, then why dont you make the "office" more welcome. Next we filled some bullshit out, and they called us into the room three at a time. The manager asked me why i was not wearing a tie, cause everyone else was. I told him i dont know why. Ohh man........i was about to tell him, fuck you have a nice day. Then the guy looked at us and said he would love to keep us for the second interview. How the fuck is this a second interview if we are already here? Alright, the story goes on. He then finished his little I MUST REMEMBER YOUR NAME GAME(the reason he try's to call all of you by your name is because you feel more special or more important that is). Then he told us to gather around his desk. He did his little demonstration with the knives. Once that fucker looked me in the eyes, i could tottaly tell that he wanted us to pay something. BINGO! next thing you know, buy your set of knives for $145 and carry them on you at all times. Okay, did you know, that if you get hired by a sales company they provide you with an account for gas, lunches, and your tools or other expenses. HMMM vector is not that smart after all. Now he tells us how great the company is. Honestly i think the knives were amazing, but im not gonna pay 600 for plastic and metal. I can buy a set of knives at the 1 dollar king and they will do the job. Who cares if the knives cut through a penny or leather. Ill do 28 strokes to cut that leather and save $599. Does that sound like a deal to you? The guy goes on with the interview, and then calls us in one by one. Tells me im hired and welcome to the company. HMMM, usually once you are hired they will give you a sheet to sign as a contract. Hello! wake up. So in my opinion they waste your time while you let them borrow 145 and let them invest in whatever they are doing, once you get fed up with the job and ask for money back, they made triple of the amount you let them borrow. Plus how do you think they are paying you. 145 you pay, they take 16 per hour out of that, and pay you. Thats about 9 hours for you. 1-2 appointments per day, 4-5 days. Hmm does it ring a bell to anyone yet? Im not gonna say it is a scam, because it is totally legal. They are not braking any law. You are not signing a contract, plus im pretty sure the 145 you pay is just here give me the money and fuck the paper work. We will think about refunding that money to you. I say go to your first interview and see how they try to brainwash you. If you are stupid enough they will boss you around for about 3months, ok for the smarter ones about 1-4 weeks, and then you will end up doing drugs or drinking, cause college can already be depressed. Plus think about this; if you are gonna sell to your own family, then as soon as you get your BENZ on 20" rims, you can tell each one of them which part of the car belongs to them. Your grandma gets the wheels, your next door neighboor gets the stereo system. You are left with the change in your ash-tray, which you use for the parking meter, when you arrive at the "VECTOR INC." I hope you get some idea of who vector really is.

Vector is as good as you want it to be. there are no lies and scams...its why only smart people should work at vector..stupid people don't really understand it. i don't think company would be around for as long as it has if it was in any way potentially bad. i worked for vector, i paid for my college over a summer for the next two years..tell me where i went wrong? i couldn't have done that waiting tables at shoneys...thats for sure. you have to work for it, you can't be stupid. my grandmother had a set of henkels...the receipt was 1,565 dollars..only 3 more than what it mentions on the comparison, doesn't look like a lie to me...you ridiculous people.

vector = scam, if not then only a few would complain about it, not thousands of people. DRRR!!! vector retards, u guys probly dont make much more then that guy at mcdonalds, either way id rather be broke then steal money from my family and friends. If the rest of you can do that, then go suck your managers dick, may be he will pay you for that too.

If anyone wants a little hint about vector, go to www.ebay.com and type in cutco you will get about 200 results. that means there are about 200 people trying to get rid of that junk. If not more. So if the knives are so amazing and you bought them, why are you selling them? pricey arent they, now u realized that your old set was decent enough. Not everything is perfect, so dont try to pretend that vector is perfect, everyone makes mistakes and i think it is time they admit it.

I just called one of the "Office Managers" in the Northbrook, IL, and the manager told me that it was "illegal"....AHHHHHH...to sell Cutco on the Internet. He actually thinks that selling Cutco door to door is a fine idea...HELLO...you are missing the working business world. JEEZ.

When I actually went on an interview, the office looked like a methlab. It was disgusting. Every single person I went with got the "job" suprisingly.

I called and told him to take me off his list.

Vector marketing is a great company, they helped me get rid of all my friends, and my relatives. These people are great, they keep your money for you so you dont have to cary that heavy box of cash you got, and the weapons they sell are great, i stabed one of my managers with it, he told me: what an excelent idea; he is gonna use that move at his next interview, to demostrate how cutco really "cuts". I suggest getting the whole set of knives they got, you can become a collector too. Being a ganster is tough these days, you need a well sharpened knife, stab someone and you wont have a problem selling these knives, the product speaks for itself. I did it, so can you. the cutco cutter.

Those shitheads are cruel to students. I would give them a taste of their own medicine. I would apply ONLY if you are unemployed and have the desire to scam those fuckers back. You can fill out 50-90 demo sheets and get paid $15 and really do NO demos or have random people (using fake names) order shit. Then, they pay you for all of the shit. LOL...suckers. Let me know if that works for anyone.

PS DON'T DO ANY REAL SELLING...YOUR HEALTH IS MORE IMPORTANT

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I was recently "hired" at Vector and what put me off the most was that they lied to me about what i would be selling. The receptionist told me i'd be selling outdoor products. Then i waste my time with a 2 hour "interview". I went to the first training session and 2 hours into it I said i had to go to my other job and work. They weren't too impressed and a scene was had. Frankly though, they're lucky i didn't smack the stupid out of them.

vector is a legal scam. my aunt works for one like it. She has been brainwashed by the company she works for. these things are legal, but just incredibly unethical. They tap the student pool because many students are looking for easy work and don't know much about business. My parents have been in sales for a combined total of 35 years, so I know a little about this from them. I called, made the interview appt, and was pushed to come in NOW. IMMEDIATELY. I showered and shaved, but then realized that the receptionist wouldn't answer ANY questions. When vector employees post here, they really believe what they are saying. My aunt and uncle have been doing multi-level marketing for 20 years, even as he struggles with cancer. These companies take advantage of those without business experience. When my father saw the letter, he told me to cancel immediately. it may be legal, but it is not ETHICAL.

vector is a legal scam. my aunt works for one like it. She has been brainwashed by the company she works for. these things are legal, but just incredibly unethical. They tap the student pool because many students are looking for easy work and don't know much about business. My parents have been in sales for a combined total of 35 years, so I know a little about this from them. I called, made the interview appt, and was pushed to come in NOW. IMMEDIATELY. I showered and shaved, but then realized that the receptionist wouldn't answer ANY questions. When vector employees post here, they really believe what they are saying. My aunt and uncle have been doing multi-level marketing for 20 years, even as he struggles with cancer. These companies take advantage of those without business experience. When my father saw the letter, he told me to cancel immediately. it may be legal, but it is not ETHICAL.

I just started for Vector a week ago and now I don't know what to do. I just hope I get paid

I have been working for Vector for 2 weeks, and i have made $170 for 4 days of work and i only worked for about 6 hours. So i got paid very well. Im not sure if i should stick arund with Vector, because they make a hell of a lot more money than you ever wil, even if you are an FSM. You will work your ass of for them and you will only see about 10% of all your sales. Vector is a good job if you are willing to work hard, but i mean real hard. You wont make any real money unless you stick with it, and karen that fake name thing wont work. Anyway, if you can work hard enough, and can live with sleeping between all your appts,then whatever free time you have will be spent setting up appts, then Vector is a good job for you and u will get paid really good money. Vector may be a scam, but what do i know? WE DONT KNOW EVERYTHING, WE ARE STUPID COLLEGE STUDENTS, MOST OF US GOT PULLED INTO A JOB WHERE THEY ARE USING US TO MAKE MONEY, AND WE ONLY SEE A SMALL PART OF IT. If you sell tons, you will make tons, but u have to lower your morals and standards. If you people dont want to do this forever, just milk whatever money you can out of this job with people u know and quick aquaintces. i mean CUTCO is a good product, people will want it and u wont feel guilty about selling it, and if they dont buy u get paid anyways. Make your money back from that kit, and a little bit more, if you dont like it. See people u know then quit, be honest with your customers u see, and dont try to scam them, show them all their options. After u get tired of the job or u feel that u are being a dirty salesman just quit. Get every honest dollar ou of them and quit. If u have any questions or comments or advice, e-mail me at gerckenator1022@yahoo.com

I just got hired at vector should I go in for training the next 3 days or should I just skip? I've already been offered a job elsewhere. Can some people please give me their unbiased opinion?

hi, i also just got hired and am risking my current job with a more known company. now i am scared... i have had to demmand the days off from my current employment in order to go to these unpaid trainings and want to know if it is worth it. not that this site hasn't been helpful, but i would really appretiate some more official sites with equal representation from the negative and positive points, sites where no one is paid to leave an oppinion! help!

Although I have no "official site" that you go can go to...I know that Students Against Vector Exploitation (SAVE) have a website that you might want to check out.
In my humble opinion muskegon, I'd advice you to not waste your time at Vector and to stick to your current job. The pay may be less, but you'll avoid any problems you may encounter working at Vector in the future. However, the ball is in your court.

Although I have no "official site" that you can go to...I know that Students Against Vector Exploitation (SAVE) have a website that you might want to check out.
In my humble opinion muskegon, I'd advice you to not waste your time at Vector and to stick to your current job. The pay may be less, but you'll avoid any problems you may encounter working at Vector in the future. However, the ball is in your court.

ok...i called in on a tuesday,got scheduled for and inteview the same day,went the next day because of sheduling problems and got the job the same day. i've never really heard of jobs the hires on the spot...but alot of things are new to me though.i went to their seminar for three days and wasn't told that buy the end of it alll i had to have $143.10 for the sample kit untill the morning i showed up (today). i came in a little late and i called up an asist.manager to tell i'll be late, he said come on in. i get there while they've started and i was turned around at the door and asked to speak to the asist. manager . he asks if i have my deposit and i said no.he told me there's no reason to stay because the deposit is due today and i have to either get it in a couple of days and he'll finish me up or i could have it buy the next seminar (next saturday) and attend then. about 10 mins later, another employee show up and i her if she had her deposit...she says no.she walks in and takes a sit.i'm black and she was of another ethnic. the manager PRE-ASSUMED that i didn't have it!he should've turned her around too. racial discrimation? i think so.after getti