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	Why Ghost 10? Dec 15^th, 2005 at 1:31pm Why choose Ghost 10 over competing products such as Acronis True Image 9? Let's make the assumption that each product has no more than the usual bugs. The main issues seem to be reliability, support, functionality, and performance. Why choose Ghost 10?
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Reply #1 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 2:02pm

Howard, from my perspective, one key reason to choose Ghost 10 is the fact that it is manufactured by Symantec and sold primarily to corporate customers under the brand “LiveState Recovery.” As a consequence, an individual consumer receives the research & development and technical enhancements that arise from deploying and maintaining a mission-critical corporate application.

Although Acronis also sells their product into the corporate environment as well, there is simply no comparison between the two companies: Acronis has annual sales of US$0.7 million, whereas for Symantec the corresponding number is US$2,582 million. As a consequence, Symantec possesses the substantial resources required to ensure that Ghost is a successful and reliable product.

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Re: Why Ghost 10?
Reply #2 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 2:24pm

(I'm not endorsing these reviews one way or the other)

PC Magazine Backup Reviews
http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,1874,4798,00.asp

PC World Backup Reviews
http://www.pcworld.com/resource/browse/0,cat,1229,sortIdx,3,00.asp

Image Backup software that I'm aware of

(* indicates the major ones most often reviewed and discussed in the technical magazines/websites--just my opinion)

* Symantec Ghost
http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/backup_recovery/ghost10/index.h...

Symantec LiveState
http://www.symantec.com/small_business/products/backup_recovery/lsrdt30/index.ht...

* Acronis True Image
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

* Dantz Retrospect
http://www.dantz.com/en/products/win_personal/index.dtml

Paragon, Exact Image
http://www.exact-image.com/

NTI DriveBackup 4.0
http://www.ntius.com/default.asp?p=backupnow/drb_main

R-Tools Drive-Image
http://www.drive-image.com/

Terabyte Unlimited, Image for Windows
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html

Free Image Backup software -- I have no experience with any of these that are listed.

http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/backupandimage.shtml

Ghost4me Ghost 9, 10, 12, 14, 15. Windows XP, Vista, Windows 7

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	Re: Why Ghost 10? Reply #3 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 3:31pm Ghost 10 has bugs but this is why I wouldn't choose Acronis TI 9. Recent versions of TI 8 actually worked for most people, unlike TI 9. TI 9 has been a public relations disaster for Acronis. http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65
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Re: Why Ghost 10?
Reply #4 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 4:08pm

Pleonasm wrote on Dec 15^th, 2005 at 2:02pm:

Howard, from my perspective, one key reason to choose Ghost 10 is the fact that it is manufactured by Symantec and sold primarily to corporate customers under the brand “LiveState Recovery.” As a consequence, an individual consumer receives the research & development and technical enhancements that arise from deploying and maintaining a mission-critical corporate application.

Although Acronis also sells their product into the corporate environment as well, there is simply no comparison between the two companies: Acronis has annual sales of US$0.7 million, whereas for Symantec the corresponding number is US$2,582 million. As a consequence, Symantec possesses the substantial resources required to ensure that Ghost is a successful and reliable product.

Since Ghost is from Symantec, I consider that a rather big negative.

Symantec's support is awful.
They dropped their forums years ago. a company their size can most certainly afford to support, and staff, forums.
Not to mention the (lack of quality) in customer service and support from India.

Small size for a company is not a negative in software, and Acronis does participate in forums for their products.

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Re: Why Ghost 10?
Reply #5 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 4:10pm

Brian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2005 at 3:31pm:

Ghost 10 has bugs but this is why I wouldn't choose Acronis TI 9. Recent versions of TI 8 actually worked for most people, unlike TI 9. TI 9 has been a public relations disaster for Acronis.

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65

I requested that this thread not include such criteria.
Both Ghost 10 and TI 9 have significant issues, but I only wanted to discuss the other factors.

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	Re: Why Ghost 10? Reply #6 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 5:18pm Howard Kaikow Quote: I requested that this thread not include such criteria. But bugs effect-- Quote: Let's make the assumption that each product has no more than the usual bugs. The main issues seem to be reliability, support, functionality, and performance .
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Re: Why Ghost 10?
Reply #7 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 5:40pm

Howard, it appears that we disagree concerning the importance of the company in choosing an image backup product.

It is not necessarily true that a more substantial company will produce a better product than a smaller and resource-constrained company, but from a practical and commonsensical perspective it is quite likely to be true. R&D, support, product enhancement – these activities all cost money: which Symantec has, and Acronis doesn’t. I find it reassuring that major corporations have entrusted their mission-critical backup needs to the same product (Ghost) that I use on my home PC.

The reason why the revenues of Acronis are so low as compared to Symantec is quite easy to understand: the former has fewer customers than the latter! What can you infer from this about reliability, support, functionality, and performance? Quite a bit, I believe. Quite a bit, indeed.

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Re: Why Ghost 10?
Reply #8 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 6:49pm

Pleonasm wrote on Dec 15^th, 2005 at 5:40pm:

Howard, it appears that we disagree concerning the importance of the company in choosing an image backup product.

It is not necessarily true that a more substantial company will produce a better product than a smaller and resource-constrained company, but from a practical and commonsensical perspective it is quite likely to be true. R&D, support, product enhancement – these activities all cost money: which Symantec has, and Acronis doesn’t. I find it reassuring that major corporations have entrusted their mission-critical backup needs to the same product (Ghost) that I use on my home PC.

The reason why the revenues of Acronis are so low as compared to Symantec is quite easy to understand: the former has fewer customers than the latter! What can you infer from this about reliability, support, functionality, and performance? Quite a bit, I believe. Quite a bit, indeed.

Size is not relevant. Indeed, the opposite is often true.

Cheap products sell more copies.
Ghost is just about given away in Symantec bundles. The only reason I even tried it was due to the $0 after rebate price.

Acronis does a poor job of selling the product, e.g., making it harder to find resellers.

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	Re: Why Ghost 10? Reply #9 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 6:51pm NightOwl wrote on Dec 15^th, 2005 at 5:18pm: Howard Kaikow But bugs effect-- I said no more than the usual bugs. I have not found either Ghost 10 or demo Acronis TI 2323 to be reliable.
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	Re: Why Ghost 10? Reply #10 - Dec 15^th, 2005 at 7:54pm Howard Kaikow wrote on Dec 15^th, 2005 at 6:51pm: I said no more than the usual bugs. I have not found either Ghost 10 or demo Acronis TI 2323 to be reliable. Then please try some others on the references I provided and let us know when you find a perfect one.
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