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Options in Ghost 8.2 on NSR 11 CD
Nov 21st, 2006 at 3:20pm
 
Hi

Sorry to ask a question that is probably "gammal som gatan" as we say in Sweden but I'm a newbie so here goes anyway Wink...

I'm playing around with making images of my HDD in Ghost 8.2 which I can start from the NSR 11 CD. There's something in there called "Image all" which is the default, "Image boot" which is not and "Image disk" which seems to include both "Image all" and "Image boot" and some other stuff besides.

I chose "Image all" to start with, then I made another image with "Image disk" but I couldn't browse that image in the image browser as I could with the image made using "Image all".

Anyway, I must admit to finding these names confusing. I also can't find any good documention about them (although I did look through your great guide and did a quick Google but nothing came up).

So, if I simply want to be able to quickly restore my HDD from an image file on my USB disk in case of a system crash, reboot and have my system come up as though nothing had happened, which one of these three is to be recommended?

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Re: Options in Ghost 8.2 on NSR 11 CD
Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2006 at 3:46pm
 
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There's something in there called "Image all" which is the default

Read more carefully!--*Default* is a separate choice from *Image All*

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Switches: Alphabetical list of switches


See *-ia*, *-ib*, and *-id* in the listing above!

The *default* setting should be *Default*--which means Ghost images only the data, leaves out many *temporary* files such as the *swap file* and *temporary Internet* files to reduce the size and time to create the image!

(Edit by NightOwl at approx 8:40 pm, 11/21/2006:

Actually, *temporary Internet files* are not one of the file sets left off the *default Ghost image*--here's the listing from the Ghost 2003 User Guide, pages 69 and 70: )


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Hibernation and swap files

When Norton Ghost creates image files or clones, it does not include hibernation
and swap files. These files are valid only for one Windows session, and when they
are included in an image file, they make it significantly larger.

Norton Ghost implements file skipping differently for each type of file system.

FAT file systems: Files are not included on the image file or destination disk.

NTFS file systems: A file with the same name is created on the image file or
destination disk, but the contents of the file are not copied.



The following files are skipped on all file systems:

386Spart.par
Amizvsus.pmf
Dos data.sf
Ghost.dta
Hiberfil.sys
Hibrn8.dat
Hybern8
Navsysl.dat
Navsysr.dat
Pagefile.sys
Pm_hiber.bin
Save2dsk.bin
Saveto.dsk
Spart.par
Swapper.dat
Toshiber.dat
Virtpart.dat
Win386.swp

Most folks use the *Default* setting and let Ghost determine what data is important--if you have special circumstances, then one of the other choices may be more appropriate!

Are you sure you did an *-id* (Image Disk)?!  If so, your image file would have to be the same size as the source disk--how big is your source HDD--how big is that image file?

The descriptions on the right side are not meant to line up with the choice *bullets* on the left side in the above screen shot!
 

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Re: Options in Ghost 8.2 on NSR 11 CD
Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2006 at 7:40pm
 
it *is* confusing in that it *does* appear that Image all lines up with the default radio button selection.

if symantec had consulted with us, we could have created a better (clearer) user interface for them
 
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Re: Options in Ghost 8.2 on NSR 11 CD
Reply #3 - Nov 22nd, 2006 at 5:08am
 
Thanks for replying, guys. You're right NightOwl, I should have read things more carefully!

Anyway, if I just want to quickly restore my system in case it crashes, is "Default" good enough?

Can I just wipe my crashed disk, boot from the NSR CD, start Ghost 8.2, restore the image taken with the "Default" method, reboot and hope everything comes up as though nothing had ever gone wrong?

When I did "Image Disk" Ghost complained that the target disk didn't have enough space so the image got compressed. I didn't mind that. My source disk is 60 GB, only 9.83 GB is used (it's a new machine from my employer and I wanted to image the disk before messing with the setup) and the image file turned out to be a tidy 5 GB or so (I spanned it across three files).

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Re: Options in Ghost 8.2 on NSR 11 CD
Reply #4 - Nov 22nd, 2006 at 9:53am
 
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You're right NightOwl, I should have read things more carefully!

Hope you didn't take that wrong!--not trying to be *critical*--just trying to point out an observation!

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When I did "Image Disk" Ghost complained that the target disk didn't have enough space so the image got compressed. I didn't mind that. My source disk is 60 GB, only 9.83 GB is used (it's a new machine from my employer and I wanted to image the disk before messing with the setup) and the image file turned out to be a tidy 5 GB or so (I spanned it across three files).

Interesting!  How much room (GB's) was available on your *destination* drive?

When you used the *Image Disk* option--you would need the size of your source available--so that 60 GB's of the source HDD--because *Image Disk* includes the non-data empty free space as well as the active data from the source!  But, when you used *compression*, Ghost apparently *compressed* all that empty free space into a very compact final image file size!  The information to recreate all that empty free space during a restore onto the HDD, I assume, is in that image file!  You may also have the *swap file* and the *hibernate* file included in the image file--the *Image Disk* may have over-ridden skipping those files--just makes the image file larger and the time longer to create it!

So, you had two competing commands that negated each other for the most part--it probably forced Ghost to work harder and take longer to create the image file by having to *compress* all that free space--but, I suspect compressing free space is pretty fast!  The bottom line is that you essentially ended up where you would have been had you used *Default* as the image creation option!

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Can I just wipe my crashed disk, boot from the NSR CD, start Ghost 8.2, restore the image taken with the "Default" method, reboot and hope everything comes up as though nothing had ever gone wrong?

That the *theory*  Wink --never know for sure until you try it for *real*--I purchased an extra HDD and tested it just to make sure I had everything *right*!  Worked like a charm the first time--and every time since--and it's been more than once!  Oh, the peace of mind!
 

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Re: Options in Ghost 8.2 on NSR 11 CD
Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2006 at 2:29pm
 
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Hope you didn't take that wrong!--not trying to be *critical*--just trying to point out an observation!


Don't worry, I didn't take it wrong, so no harm done there!


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Interesting!  How much room (GB's) was available on your *destination* drive?


My destination drive is a relatively small 30 GB USB HDD.



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So, you had two competing commands that negated each other for the most part


What do you mean? I just did plain old "Image Disk". Does Ghost do two things when I only tell him to do one?!

I'll think I'll just go for "default" like your good self from now on!

BTW I'd like to no what is meant by taking an image of the boot track. But if it's in a manual somewhere (just cos I can't find it don't mean it ain't there) so if you know where it is please point me in the right direction and tell me to RTFM!!!

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Re: Options in Ghost 8.2 on NSR 11 CD
Reply #6 - Nov 23rd, 2006 at 2:43pm
 
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What do you mean? I just did plain old "Image Disk". Does Ghost do two things when I only tell him to do one?!


*Image Disk* means the *sector-by-sector* backup, including empty space--that was one *command* telling Ghost what to do--then when you got the warning that the image could not fit on that 30 GB HDD--then you selected *Fast?* compression--that was a second command--the two essentially cancel each other out so the final image was about the size that the *Default* image size will probably be!

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BTW I'd like to no what is meant by taking an image of the boot track.

The *boot track* is the first 63 sectors of the HDD--absolute sectors 0 thru 62.  The *Master Boot Record* and the *Partition Table* are located in the first sector--absolute 0.  A *Default* Ghost image will only save that first sector as that is all that's needed for most instance of restoring a HDD.  Using the *ib* (image boot) forces Ghost to back up all the sectors in the boot track, not just that first one--if you have special program code that is stored in the boot track between sector 1 thru 62--then that switch becomes necessary--most folks do not have to worry about that--some do!
 

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Re: Options in Ghost 8.2 on NSR 11 CD
Reply #7 - Nov 24th, 2006 at 8:46am
 
Thanks once again for a really good answer. You guys have been most helpful.

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