tim484848

Interesting thoughts!

At the urging of a friend, I recently read a book by Douglas Hofstader titled *I am a strange loop*.  I found it very difficult to complete--the author has a deep understanding of music and mathematics--not my strongest suits!--and applied it to trying to explain the human *soul*--the *I-ness* of each of us!

Hofstader lost his wife, whom he apparently loved very much, by sudden death.  He spent some time explaining his belief that a lost loved one's soul continues, in a dimmed version, in all those who interacted with that person--in the memories or thoughts of those who continue to live.

It took humans 100's--well probably 1000's of years of *dreaming* about how to fly--and eventually technology caught up--so who knows what *dreaming* about communicating with the energy of thought will eventually bring!

NightOwl wrote on Oct 21^st, 2007 at 12:41am:

Interesting; thanks for the heads-up, although it sounds rather full of overwrought mysticism. The metamathematics was the strong point of "Godel, Escher, Bach" for me, real fun, but the wider theme was unconvincing overreach and if this book is really about extending that part of GEB... i dunno. As important a concept as recursive embeddings are, as a theory of consciousness the only part that strikes an immediate chord with me would be that such towers are both compact (in an information-theoretic sense) and richly expressive, making it at least a plausible platform to have evolved. It's still an awfully long bow to draw.

Frankly, if I had to recommend a thought-provoking read involving mathematics and consciousness it'd be Australian writer Greg Egan's short story collections. "Learning to Be Me" from Axiomatic and "Reasons To Be Cheerful" from Luminous both pack an immense punch, as do many of the other stories in the two collections. His novels aren't half bad either (Distress and Schild's Ladder being personal favourites).

tim484848 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2007 at 8:02am:

For discussions like this.

Good answer MrMagoo,

They say that 10% of the 6 billion people alive on Earth, will have an out of body experience at some point in their life, so if you have not had yours yet; all I can say,  is if it happens, go back to your body and see if it works out for you like it did for me. Some say it is just a dream, all I can say is, mine was not.

To help you understand my out of body experience, I will try and explain it.

I went to this lady doctor for the very first time, because my insurance at the time, only would let me go to curtain doctor's in this insurance book they gave me.

I stepped on a nail, and I needed to get a shot, I don't know how to spell the word for the shot, so please fill free to place that any your reply.

Anyway, my appointment was in the morning, and I was running behind, so I did not eat anything before I got there.

I had never been in this building before, and I have always been afraid of needles; but this time I decided I needed to grow up and get over that, so I watched her stick the needle in my arm. The next thing I felt was passing out and leaning forward.

After that I woke up by the ceiling lights in the room I was in by the ceiling lights. Now This was the first time I had ever been at this doctor's office, and I am not your typical detail type person, so to say that I knew much about the lighting system or anything else, is not a stretch by any body's measurements.

It has been a long time since this happened to me, but I still do remember a lot about it.

I remember I was starting to get scared, but then I remembered my brother in law at the time who use to get scared all the time to a point that he would actually loose it, and I knew that would not help me, so I started to think what I should do. I never actually looked down at my body, because I was afraid that would be a mistake, but I did feel that I needed to try and move toward it just the same, hoping for a good out come, but not really thinking it would work out. I was very carefully and I was floating really slow as a result of that. I saw another person in the room other than the doctor, that was not in the room before.

The closer I got toward my body, the quicker I Begin to move toward it, and I could start to feel pressure in my thoughts the closer I got to my head as well. The body language of the doctor at this time was that of something about to happen, and then all of a sudden I felt shaking like the time I wrote in a plane to Chicago during a snow storm, a lot of shaking, and a inner pain of what it feels like when a dentist is giving you a root cancel, I really did not want to be in that position, but I could not think of any where else I wanted to be, but in my body, so I kept going with the flow. I did not wake up from the experience, I open my eyes to it, as I was in the middle of a seizure, the first one in my life time. After that was over, and after they got done holding me down, the lady doctor started hugging me like I was her child or something, like she really cared about me, then she said that she thought they had lost me. I was stunned by the experience, and after drinking some orange juice, and laying there for a while, I never went back there again.

At the time I did not know what an out of body experience was, just that some doctor that had never had one, said later that year, that it is a dream, even though he had never had it happen to him before.

After thinking back on it in 2005, when I had this internal thought that said that they want to communicate, that I really started to analyze it from so many different directions.

Getting back to this thought that I had.

I was in the middle of this shot in 8-ball that I was analyzing, when this thought came to me that they wanted to communicate and that it was possible.

It got my attention, because how direct it was, to what I was doing at the time, that had nothing to do with any of this.

I thought this was silly, because I had no clue at the time how this could be possible, but every night before I went to sleep, I thought about it, and then the next day I would get little slices to the answer.

A lot of what was going on with me at this time, could not be a result of just me alone, and you would have to know me to understand that.

At this time in my life I was vice president of operations foe a financial company, with fifty stores and five supervisors and a assistant working under me.

Just to give you an example how things almost felt like I was on somebody Else's agenda, one night I got this thought, that I needed to give up this eighty thousand dollar job and focus on this topic, and then the next day, I was let go by the company for no reason, even though less than a month earlier they said they could not make it work with out me, and I was never in trouble for anything. Now that was strange, but that was just one of many.

Now I can sit here and right a book about all that, but I have no ego, I learned that from playing pool. The only time I might sound like I have an ego, is when people want me too, as a confidence thing, that I might be doing at the time.

Getting back to topic; The more thoughts I got about how it can happen, the more I went to study if this is possible and as this played out, I came across BrainGate, a machine that can communicate with thought. This machine can be found on the Internet, and It made history in 2005 as well, the same year I had this internal thought.
Later on I found out about medium Lisa Williams, who was told she should move to the United states, because she would be very successful. She got her break on the Life time network, she is now on her second year; She claims to be able to communicate with the dead.

Now these two things can help me make my idea work, and this is nothing to all the other stuff that I know about this topic, but they are the two easiest thinks to check out on the Internet.
Example, you should be able to see all her shows on the Internet, and watch and listen all about her.

She ask people how much do they want to know, and she never wants to know anything about them before she meets them to talk about their dead relatives, and she calls out these out of body after life people by name, not guessing a bunch of names, but nails them the very first time.
If she is a fake, then I must be as well, and everything she talks about, falls right into what I had experience, or what I have read about.

Since I use to have an assistant who use to do all my typing and grammar for me, it has taken me a while to get better at explaining this, but I still have a way to go.

The main reason I got on the Internet, was to see if I could find anybody who could prove me wrong, I was inviting the opportunity at one time, but I can see now that this is an impossibility, because everything points toward it's possibility.

I woulds love to be a part of making this happen, but I don't know if that will ever happen, because for example people like O.J. Simpson, or some other people who have things in their closet, don't want it to happen and they attack me personally about this possibility, not the topic, but me. Maybe the best I can do is to try and keep talking about it, and hope I am painting a picture to somebody else to do it, but my thoughts assure me that this will be easy and it will be a good deal even for people like O.J. for an example.

Thank you for reading my thoughts, and I hope I don't bore you, but this is what I am about,

Tim

In some of the East Indian Religious beliefs, one of the most significant one is the recording of everything that happens - thoughts, emotions, actions being recorded and some of the psychics being able to retrieve the information just like rewind and playing a DVD in three dimensions. It is sometimes called recording in Astral Light. Of course dealing with future events is a totally different matter due to multivarious factors which play in determining the future.

Also there have been questions about mediums contacting entities and there are writings about the questions raised about whether the entities are dead people or their mindless remnants or something else. Research goes on and there seems to be no definite conclusions.

I do not know if there is a mechanism to safeguard against loss or corruption of the recordings. This is a question that has never been raised.

mkr

tim484848

Saw this on the news last week--thought it might be of interest:

Out-of-Body Experiences: Brainy Clues