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Re: USB 2.0 Flash Drives
Reply #15 - Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:54am
 
Duh,,,,yeah! 
In your description you're missing a boot sector with the DOS boot files,
Command.com
IO.sys
MSDOS.sys


which must be present to boot the system.

OK, by the numbers.....you must download the program from the link I gave you.  Then you must run the program to install the HP program in your "Program Files" folder.
Then you must run the program and fill in the blanks, like where is the USB device you want to format and where are you getting the DOS boot files from?

If you don't have DOS boot files (and I really can't imagine why you wouldn't), you can download those from the site too.  But they are Windows 98 and I use Windows ME.

In my case, which I just did,  I selected my SD card slot as the receiver of the DOS boot info and my Floppy Disk Drive (A: ) as the source of the files.  Then the HP program formatted the SD card I had inserted in the SD slot and then read the Ghost Boot disk that I had placed in my Floppy Drive and copied the three boot files, that I listed above, to the SD card.
(an SD card is used in Kodak and many other digital Cameras)

I then booted my system from the SD card and it came up to the DOS prompt. 

Is that what you wanted? Wink

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Re: USB 2.0 Flash Drives
Reply #16 - Oct 1st, 2008 at 6:45pm
 
TheShadow wrote on Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:54am:
In your description you're missing a boot sector with the DOS boot files,
which must be present to boot the system.

Ah, so this makes a bootable DOS disk.  Thanks for clearing that up.

This process isn't necessary to boot Windows or Linux or some other OS from the disk.  
 
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Re: USB 2.0 Flash Drives
Reply #17 - Oct 2nd, 2008 at 9:24am
 
I know nothing about Linus.....ooops I mean Linux, but you won't be booting Windows from a flash drive.
At least within my own experience, you'll boot to DOS and that's it.
That's what the HP program is for.
I have one flash drive set up to boot into my custom Ghost menu and another one to boot into "Partition Magic 8".  Another one is set up to boot into my custom Windows ME Utilities disk.

Yesterday, I did download the new version of the HP Format tool and I did format my SD Flash Memory Card.  It's a one gig'er.
Then after the HP program put the three DOS, system files, on the little SD card and set up the boot sector, I went ahead and copied the rest of the files from my Ghost boot floppy to that SD card, thus making it a copy of my Ghost boot floppy disk.

Since floppy disks are subject to cosmic rays and all sorts of other things that can cause them to fail, I like having my Ghost boot info on other non-magnetic media.  I also have it on every Ghost Backup DVD that I've made for the past several years.  They all boot into my custom Ghost menu.  Here it is:


[1;33;44m                  

       
                     
[41m   GHOST 2003 Menu  
[44m

  1.  Run Ghost to make a new image. (Windows XP Only)
       This program will delete all temp files, cookies, histories, etc.
       The Cleanup works only on a FAT-32 partition.

  2.  Run Ghost
       This program runs Ghost alone, with NO cleanup being done.
       Use this version to do Ghost Restores or Ghost image without cleanup.
       You must use this option on any NTFS partition.

  3.  Run Ghost on Windows 98 or ME (del the Swapfile and all temp's, etc.)
 
  4.  Delete all Restore points (Windows XP. Works on FAT-32 partition only)

  5.  Delete Windows "Pagefile" (Windows XP. Works on FAT-32 partitions only)

  6.  Remove all the old Restore files in Windows ME.

 
 Type in a number at the DOS Prompt and press ENTER.

********************************
The weird codes are Ansi Color codes for the menu screen.
I made this for Me, so it may not be to everyone else's liking.
But, with this one disk, I can back up anything from DOS to XP (NTFS).

On a flash drive I can also add any other Utilities that I may wish to have handy, like NTFS4DOS or my Windows ME Utilities, which would never fit on a floppy disk.

When someone says to me, "Flash Drive" I automatically think of the little gadget that looks a lot like a Bic lighter or package of Juicy Fruit Gum.
 
I understand that they may also be referring to the new "Solid State Hard Drives".  I think we need a very definitive name for those new drives so there is no confusion with the older Flash or Thumb Drives.

The title of this thread "USB 2.0 Flash Drives" pretty much excludes those new internal 'Solid State Hard Drives' from the conversation.

I've found the new Flash Drives to be very useful, but awfully slow on a fast system with SATA2 hard drives.  I wouldn't want to be using one for a replacement for a very fast HD.  That would just be Sooooooo counter productive. Sad

I wish there were something faster than SATA2 HD's, for a like price. Roll Eyes
It's fast, but still the biggest bottle-neck in a really fast system.
The CPU just sits there twiddling its thumbs (do CPU's really have thumbs?) while the drive is finding the data that's required.
I like to load the kernel into RAM and get it up off of the VERY Slow HD to eliminate one very serious road block to system performance.

Oh well, that's a topic for another day.

Sorry this ran so long.  Old folks tend to ramble........on......and on! Lips Sealed

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Re: USB 2.0 Flash Drives
Reply #18 - Oct 2nd, 2008 at 4:47pm
 
TheShadow wrote on Oct 2nd, 2008 at 9:24am:
I know nothing about Linus.....ooops I mean Linux, but you won't be booting Windows from a flash drive.

Booting to Windows is possible.  It would run a little slow, but sometimes its nice for recovery efforts.

Booting to Linux is not only possible, its very useful.  My firewall runs off a USB drive.  Since its just OpenBSD and its only used as a firewall, I can run it of a 2GB flash drive.  The flash drive replaced an old hard drive.  It was quieter, cheaper, generates less heat, and uses less energy than a replacement HD would have.

One tip I have if you do plan to run an OS off a flash drive is to get a drive that uses Single Level Cells.  They are faster and last about 10x longer than flash disks based on Multi-Level Cells.  The SLC disks will be slightly more expensive for the same size disk, but the extra longevity is important when you are doing something involving a lot of writes to the disk (such as running an OS.)

If anyone who happens to read this thread is interested in building an OpenBSD based firewall on a USB disk, I keep my most recent notes on how to get it done online:

http://magooswisewords.com/MagoosBook/openbsdflash/openbsd-usb-1.htm
 
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Re: USB 2.0 Flash Drives
Reply #19 - Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:49am
 
I love this forum, because I can learn something new every day that I come here. Wink

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Re: USB 2.0 Flash Drives
Reply #20 - Oct 12th, 2008 at 8:29am
 
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Am I missing something?


Duh, YES!

Formatting a Flash Drive does NOT make it bootable nor would it put your choice of OS on the flash Drive.  I use only Windows ME DOS for all my Ghost boot disks.

In my case, I want to make an exact copy of my Ghost 2003 boot disk on a suitable flash drive.  I can copy the files, no problem.  But how to get the boot sector and OS files from the floppy to the flash drive?

That's where the HP program comes into play.
You really have to get the program and run it to get the full effect and understand what it does and how it does it.

But it asks you where you want it to get the boot information for it to put on the Flash Drive.  I tell it to get the boot files from my Ghost boot floppy in Drive A:.

Then after it's made the Flash Drive bootable with the three DOS boot files, I just copy the rest of the files from A: to the flash drive and I'm done.

Now, with all the extra space on the Flash Drive, I can add all sorts of extra HD utilities and any other programs I want.
Once I've got everything I want on the flash drive, I can use "Nero" to burn it to a CD,,,, then I have a Ghost boot CD with all my HD Utilities on it.

In XP, for instance, put in a Flash Drive or Flash Card and right click on it in MyComputer and select Format, and there is NO option to make it bootable.  Again, that's why you need the HP program.

I now have Ghost 2003 on a bootable SD Flash Memory card.  Neat!

And, I just put that SD Flash Memory Card in my Kodak digital camera and saved a picture to it.  Putting DOS and Ghost on that card, didn't do anything to make it less useful in the camera.  The little SD Card I'm using for this test is a 1 gig card, so there's plenty of room for Ghost and a whole bunch of pictures.  Wink

I hope that clears up some of the cobwebs. Undecided

EDIT:  I strongly suggest that anyone who's interested in this topic, get a flash drive and get the program from HP (I already gave you the link) and play around with it yourself.  Try this,,,,try that....get inventive, "Get Giggy With It".  And, when you find some feature or use that's not been already given here....come on in and tell us about it.
I've been playing around with Flash Drives and Flash Memory Cards since they first hit the stores and even though I've found many ways to use them, I've probably NOT found every use, yet.


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Re: USB 2.0 Flash Drives
Reply #21 - Oct 12th, 2008 at 6:34pm
 
If you don't have the HP tool, another way of making your flash drive bootable is to boot from a Win98 floppy (I gather a WinME floppy won't work as its sys.com is incompatible) and sys C: the USB flash drive.
 
 
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Re: USB 2.0 Flash Drives
Reply #22 - Oct 27th, 2008 at 10:24am
 
In that exercise, you're assuming that the flash drive will be seen in DOS, from the Windows 98 boot disk's DOS prompt.
On many computers that may turn out to be an erroneous assumption.

There is NO drawback to using the little utility from HP.  It's very small and downloads in just seconds on most PC's.  It's FREE as well.
It runs from within Windows, so there is NO problem for it to see the same Flash Drive that's seen by Windows.

If you don't have a DOS boot disk or even a floppy disk drive, the three dos files that you need to put on the flash drive, can be downloaded as well from the same site as the HP program.
Or, get them from a friend. Roll Eyes

There is absolutely Nothing complicated or impossible with the task of making a Flash Drive bootable, so just get in there and DO IT. Wink

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