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Reply #15 - Nov 7th, 2011 at 2:43pm
 
It is unfortunate. I'd like to read some of Nigel's posts again.
 
 
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Reply #16 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 9:42pm
 
Nigel may not post, but he still frequents the forums. Every once in a while I get an email with a link here, referencing a post he found interesting, with commentary along with his characteristically illuminating insight.

And, of course, whenever I have a question about programming, I shoot off an email to New Zealand.

I'm convinced there's nothing he doesnt know about.

I even send him questions about the European debt crisis. (Why doesnt the ECB print money like the US Fed?)

Oh, btw, I just deleted another krapload of riff-raff.
 
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Reply #17 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 9:51am
 
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Oh, btw, I just deleted another krapload of riff-raff.

Oh, dear--another group of *former* members whose posts we can no longer search for in the future!

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An unintended consequence:  if you delete an old member--you can no longer *search* for any of their posts if they had made any!

The point I was trying to make is *maybe* we shouldn't delete members just because they haven't posted anything recently--we loose the *search function* for all *ex-members* and deleted members!
 

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Reply #18 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 11:11pm
 
NightOwl wrote on Nov 9th, 2011 at 9:51am:
The point I was trying to make is *maybe* we shouldn't delete members just because they haven't posted anything recently--we loose the *search function* for all *ex-members* and deleted members! 

it's late and i may not be thinking clearly .. but if they havent posted anything, then there's no old posts to search .. no?

am i missing something?
 
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Reply #19 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 9:56am
 
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but if they havent posted anything

Oh, so if that's the criterion you are using to delete--then that will have no effect on the search function--I didn't know that was what you were using to decide on deleting.

As an aside, it seems like there is big increase in the number of *Pre-registered Members* waiting to validate their registration--it's been in the 30-60 range lately.  I remember only seeing 4-5, at most, in the past.  We sure are not seeing that many new users posting to forums.  Not even spammers.

Wonder what that's all about?!
 

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Reply #20 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 12:11pm
 
that's the main but not sole criteria.

i also look at how long it has been since they logged on and the number of posts.

i generally delete those with only 1 or two posts, especially if they havent logged on for a while.

and their user name. user names such as "BuyViagraUK" get deleted without much deliberation.

seems that today, after i deleted a couple hundred, they are back to re-reg.

maybe these are auto-bots.

not sure, cuz i required *two* emails handled to reg.

bots are very smart these days.
 
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Reply #21 - Nov 11th, 2011 at 1:01am
 
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seems that today, after i deleted a couple hundred, they are back to re-reg.

maybe these are auto-bots
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Interesting.

If these registrants are not planning on posting--well, what's the point of registering?  Weird!
 

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Reply #22 - Nov 11th, 2011 at 2:32am
 
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seems that today, after i deleted a couple hundred, they are back to re-reg.

Those that have been banned, usernames, email addies and IP-addresses, do they get "unbanned" when being deleted?
 

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Reply #23 - Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:25pm
 
i dont ban.

the ban function seems useless.

i just delete.
 
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Reply #24 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 1:58am
 
When someone posts a spam message or irrelevant message, I move it to the Recycle Bin and ban the member. Do you mean that we should delete the member and not ban? Do I as a moderator have that "power".
 

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Reply #25 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 8:37am
 
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Rad wrote on Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:25pm:
the ban function seems useless.

I'm not sure I agree!

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I move it to the Recycle Bin and ban the member

That's what I do.  My reasoning--if you ban the *user name* and the *IP addresses* used by that user--then that person has no access to revisit the forum.  My thought is that if you simply delete someone shortly after they have posted spam--they may still be interested in attempting again--and if they were simply *deleted*, they then can probably re-register quickly--might even be able to re-use that *user name* (but, I don't know that for sure--I need to do some testing to see what happens).  But, if their IP is blocked--then they have to jump through more hoops, and I'm hoping that make the effort less worth it.

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Do you mean that we should delete the member and not ban?

You have my answer above, but Rad may feel differently about it!  I will do some testing to see how the forum software functions when a user is *banned* vs *deleted*.

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Do I as a moderator have that "power".

I think you do.  It's been awhile since I looked at that, but I think all the moderators can delete both individual posts or threads (if you use the *Delete* function--that post or thread is *gone*--it does not go to the *Recycle Bin* where you have the option to *Move* it back, if you later decide it was *Moved* by mistake) as well as *users*.  But, I'll have to re-visit the forum *Help Files* to refresh my memory.

 

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Reply #26 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 9:19am
 
NightOwl wrote on Nov 14th, 2011 at 8:37am:
My thought is that if you simply delete someone shortly after they have posted spam--they may still be interested in attempting again--and if they were simply *deleted*, they then can probably re-register quickly

my thot is that .. if they are spamming .. they are probably interested in the google effect .. where search engines 'award' (for lack of a better word) merit to sites who have many incoming links.

But if they find all their spamming posts deleted and they would have to re-register (including double-emails) .. just to probably AGAIN have their posts deleted .. then I think they would feel inclined to move onto greener pastures. No?

You guys are certainly free to handle however you like.

It has been a while, but I recall trying to ban some nasties and the thing didnt seem to work. Maybe more recent versions work better.

I go into the "Admin " section to delete their @sses.
 
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Reply #27 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 10:26am
 
A slight misunderstanding:

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It's been awhile since I looked at that, but I think all the moderators can delete both individual posts or threads (if you use the *Delete* function--that post or thread is *gone*--it does not go to the *Recycle Bin* where you have the option to *Move* it back, if you later decide it was *Moved* by mistake) as well as *users*.

I meant deleting the member after moving the post to the Recycle Bin.
 

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Reply #28 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 10:30am
 
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You guys are certainly free to handle however you like.

I don't know the first thing about the "google effect " and what is good or not for RADIFIED but maybe we can agree on a procedure that we all use.
 

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Reply #29 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 8:56am
 
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"google effect "

I think that's the latest way to try and *promote* a website--the more links to the spammer's website that Google's Bots sees referenced on your site, the higher the spammer's ranking becomes on future Google Searches--doesn't help your website (Radified)--helps the spammer's website.

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but maybe we can agree on a procedure that we all use

Well, I've had no problems with the *Move* function, and the *Ban* function.  Personally, I think that's the best way to deal with *possible* spammers--it could happen that someone makes a poor judgement and places a *spam message* on their post--we can always *bring them back* if they are just *banned*.  But, *deleted* means they're gone.

So, I'm more than happy to *Move* and *Ban*, and let Rad do the *Deleting* as he sees fit!  That does make more work for Rad, of course, and if he requests that we start *Deleting* all members who have spammed, then that will be easy to do as well!

Rad?
 

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