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Reply #30 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 1:29pm
 
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Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to create images to external USB HDs. I prefer imaging to a second internal HD.

You mentioned two file sizes, 4000.800kB and 401277. Do they mean 4000 KB?

You mentioned Quote:
"1-file" + "TBI-file"
  I only get a .tbi. What is the "1-file"?

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Wrote img to DVD > writing speed "optimal" > 1:10hrs + validade disk.
Is the DVD bootable ???

Yes.

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Looks rather like usb 1.1. (same with other external usb drives).

You need to try IFL. Sometimes IFD has poor performance with USB devices.

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where are the *.logs saved to ?

You can only save logs when using writable media such as a USB flash drive.

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For backup *entire drive*:

If I include (check/tick) MBR - will I be able to resize when restoring to a new HDD of different size ?


Where is the MBR choice? I don't have that. There are two options to resize when restoring an Entire Drive image. The "Scale" options.

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It's a pain: each time I start IFD I have to enter my Product-key.

Sounds like you entered an incorrect key when you made the CD. It is in this format..

XXXX-XXXX-XXXX

Your downloads and Product Keys are here...

https://terabyteunlimited.com/product-download.php

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> instructions.

In Reply #26.

WinXP will be fine for a few years and maybe longer. I don't expect significant problems when Microsoft stops issuing updates. WinXP will still work.

Let us know if IFL creates images at appropriate speeds.




 
 
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Reply #31 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 3:37pm
 
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If I include (check/tick) MBR


I see what you mean now. That's on the "Select Item to Backup from...." window. The "MBR" just refers to the type of HD present. It has nothing to do with saving the MBR. In IFD/IFL, HDs can be called MBR, EMBR or GPT.

 
 
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Reply #32 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:18pm
 
If you like floppies you can create a 3 1/2" floppy with IFD gui by omitting to copy the CD Boot Image Files. An image written to DVD will suffer by the disk not being bootable. Images written to a HD will be fine. You can create a 3 1/2" floppy with IFD cui which contains the CD Boot Image Files.
 
 
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Reply #33 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am
 
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Note:  the following still goes for IF
D
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I thought you wanted to create images to external USB HDs

Yes, but not with 'low speed' and ~23hrs!

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I prefer imaging to a second internal HD.

So do I. Not much space, though. Just enough for 1 *entire drive* backup.

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You mentioned two file sizes, 4000.800kB and 401277. Do they mean 4000 KB?

Sorry, dropped a "0" in the heat of the moment.
It's actually 4.001.277KB - on INTERNAL drive.

On EXTERNAL drive it's 4000.800KB | file name *Img_Z_30.07.2012.TBI* = 1 file.

How come the difference, both in size and in # of files ???

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You mentioned Quote:
"1-file" + "TBI-file"
 
I only get a .tbi. What is the "1-file"?


° file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012
.1
* | filetype = '1-file"| size = 1.904.125KB

° file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012.TBI* | size = 2.097.152KB
---> makes 2 files, total size = 4.001.277KB.

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You need to try IFL. Sometimes IFD has poor performance with USB devices.

Just wrote both IFD and IDL boot CDs.
IFD because I must have made a typo when I entered product key, as I typed it in the 1st CD. --> *heat of the moment*  Grin

Wanted to write this reply before I'm going to try with IFL.

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You can only save logs when using writable media such as a USB flash drive.

Been asking because IFD 'told' me > "logs saved!" ...   

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For backup *entire drive*:

If I include (check/tick) MBR - will I be able to resize when restoring to a new HDD of different size ?


Where is the MBR choice? I don't have that. There are two options to resize when restoring an Entire Drive image. The "Scale" options.

Well, when it comes to select drive > I get the whole drive with all partitions.
° XP (= C:\)
°
MBR

° D:\
° E:\
° F:\
° G:\
° Entire Drive [is either at bottom or at top, can't remember]

When I tick *Entire Drive* > everything will be ticked.
I can tick the offered partitions separately, and thus exclude  the MBR, if need be.

Don't ask me how I get the MBR and you don't.  Roll Eyes

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If I include (check/tick) MBR


I see what you mean now. That's on the "Select Item to Backup from...." window. The "MBR" just refers to the type of HD present. It has nothing to do with saving the MBR. In IFD/IFL, HDs can be called MBR, EMBR or GPT.

I still have no idea if I had to tick or not  Huh

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If you like floppies you can create a 3 1/2" floppy with IFD gui by omitting to copy the CD Boot Image Files
   
Won't the Boot Image Files be needed for full function as boot floppy/ies Huh

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You can create a 3 1/2" floppy with IFD cui which contains the CD Boot Image Files.

That's what I've been trying. Over & over again. My floppies are 1.44MB size. Using "makedisk" asked for 2.88MB >> "your disk is too small .. blah"!
Other ways [see page 2] failed as well.
I really would love to be able making a 2-floppy-set that's working. Just without that blah.blah from the knowledge base with X tools etc.
On the other hand I have my CDs now.

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Images written to a HD will be fine

AH! How to do that ???

BTW: my BIOS > 1st boot device > *USB-HDD* IS available :=)))

USB ports:

I don't have a sound card anymore.
Instead there is a sound system connected to USB.

----> I will try creating images to external usb disk both with and without having the sound system connected.
That might speed up the connection.

Will see  Wink


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An image written to DVD (
CD)
will suffer by the disk not being bootable.

Are you talking about that *.iso file ?

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WinXP will be fine for a few years and maybe longer. I don't expect significant problems when Microsoft stops issuing updates. WinXP will still work.

Ahhhhhhhh, I'm relieved  Kiss

henriette *going to prepare DONALD for IFL backup now*  Smiley




 

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Re: reliable backup software for Windows 7 - Ghost 10 ??
Reply #34 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:17am
 
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Boy--this thread has so many posts with so many questions--I'm not sure I can ever cover them all!  I will come back to at least some of the questions--but, for now....

henriette wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:40am:
Before I forget:
Terabyteunlimited sent an email reply >
"We don’t have a German manual, but there are translation services on the Net that may help."

Whattasupport! 

I know that there might not be a *German language* User Guide, but do you have the German based Image for DOS program?

When I go to the *Your Product Download Links* using the link provided in the email purchase receipt with my purchase *Product ID* and my *Product Key*,:

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To obtain individual packages or future updates use the link below:

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/product-download.php

I find all the products that I purchased listed--in English and some other limited languages--and Image for DOS and Image for Linux both have German language versions listed for both the GUI and CUI versions.

Just wanted to make sure you were aware of this.

 

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Reply #35 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:35am
 
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So far, I have only used the *Boot It Bare Metal* bootable CD for some partitioning projects.  I have not yet used the other programs.  I'm going to have to give the others a trial run....

But, how does Image of DOS provide external USB drive support?  Is there a separate DOS USB driver loaded in *config.sys* and/or *autoexec.bat*--or is the support built into the Image for DOS program itself?

Ghost 2003 uses DOS USB drivers loaded separately from the *ghost.exe* program by *config.sys* and/or *autoexec.bat*.  This means you have access to the external HDD in DOS as well as when you load *ghost.exe*.

Starting with the Corporate versions of Ghost after Ghost 2003 (i.e. 8.xx and beyond), the USB support was built into the *ghost.exe* program.  So, in this case, the USB external HDD shows up in the Ghost program, but can not be accessed while in DOS--similar to the support for NTFS partitions using DOS Ghost where you will see the NTFS partitions listed in Ghost--but you can not access the NTFS partitions in DOS.



 

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Reply #36 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 1:57pm
 
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NightOwl wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:35am:
But, how does Image of DOS provide external USB drive support?


Through the BIOS and built in I assume. An IFD boot disk runs the TeraByte OS so there is no autoexec.bat or config.sys or USB drivers. IFD will read from and write to a USB NTFS external HD. The exe file, image.exe will run from a DOS disk too. In fact that's all you need to add to a DOS disk. The one file.

IFL accesses the USB external HD directly and not via the BIOS. USB is full speed with IFL.

You could try it with your latest BIBM CD. It contains IFD gui. See if it works OK with USB. Again, it depends on the BIOS. My Dell desktop freezes in BIBM if I have USB2 selected (in BIBM) and try to access USB. If I don't have USB2 selected then USB access is fine and at USB2 speeds. Weird. My test computer (different model Dell) works fine with USB2 selected. The advantage of having USB2 selected is you don't have to have the USB device connected at boot time for it to be recognized. But otherwise your USB device will work at USB2 speed no matter whether USB2 is selected or not.
 
 
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Reply #37 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 2:15pm
 
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henriette wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am:
file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012
.1
* | filetype = '1-file"| size = 1.904.125KB

° file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012.TBI* | size = 2.097.152KB
---> makes 2 files, total size = 4.001.277KB.


Is your target partition FAT32? Mine is NTFS so I don't get file splitting.

henriette wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am:
Well, when it comes to select drive > I get the whole drive with all partitions.
° XP (= C:\)
°
MBR

° D:\
° E:\
° F:\
° G:\
° Entire Drive [is either at bottom or at top, can't remember]


Are you sure? You shouldn't see any drive letters at all. Just partition names. Does it say MBR or MBR with a number after it?

henriette wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am:
Won't the Boot Image Files be needed for full function as boot floppy/ies

You don't need these files if you are imaging to a HD.

henriette wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 6:44am:
Are you talking about that *.iso file ?


The DVD is bootable and does an "auto" restore.
 
 
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Reply #38 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 5:24pm
 
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Have you labelled each partition with the same name as its drive letter? I guess that's why it looks like you have drive letters in IFD.

Would you mind posting a screenshot of Disk Management? That would be a big help in our understanding of your system.
 
 
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Reply #39 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 10:27am
 
Disc management (henriette)

attached.

reply to follow.

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Reply #40 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 11:59am
 
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Maybe you'll find some time to reply to this post (eventually):
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1341770812/15

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wrote Reply #34 - Yesterday at 17:17:53

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do you have the German based Image for DOS program?

Got 2 updates.
° IF
D
v1.99 (old version) > *Imagereg.de* = folder.

° IF
D
*ifd_de_gui* + *text.ansi*.

I prefer IF
L
now.

Thanks to
Brian's
excellent instructions I don't need German lang.  Smiley

Tech questions would be the same, no matter if German or English  Wink

I LOVE Linux !

I think I've made beginner's faults, the last 2 days.

Before I come to reply to Brian's posts - this report about today's backups:

1. IFL (gui) backup (C:\ only) to internal drive.
> ~ 8GB | ~ 8mnts incl. validation byte for byte.

2. IFL (gui) backup (C:\ only) to external drive usb.
> ~ 8GB | ~ 8mnts incl. validation byte for byte.

3. IFL (gui) Img C:\ to DVD
> Speed: optimal | tick "validate disk" | UNtick "validate byte for byte [was ticked from backups above] | 23mnts incl. validating disk.

Yesterday I'd already created backup of Entire Drive with IFL to external drive usb.
> 4h 30mnts incl. validation byte for byte.

Before creating backups I create folders (of course).

I name the folders (targets) like this:
*Img_X_[ImgF.Linux]-date* (German order = e.g 02.08.2012).

I named yesterday's Entire Drive image *Img_GesMain_01.08.2012.tbi*

I named today's images *Z-FP268.tbi* < that's how I did it in Ghost.

The following happened:

All backups were created successfully (1 file).

But - the images (all of them) were backed up to the destination partition, not to the selected folder.
> I had to drag & drop the backups in(to?) the folders.

Same 'procedure' on internal and external drives.

How come  Huh

note: I don't like to take the *backup ... blah .. date* that's given by IFL.

I'm overwhelmed by the cute GUI, the speed & accuracy of IF
L
  Smiley

I wish TeraByte had *put* the penguin onto the screen, hehehe. (might only distract me).

And I almost need magnifying glasses, because the GUI is very small, at least for my old eyes.
Can't seem to resize the 'window'.

Brian

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file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012
.1
* | filetype = '1-file"| size = 1.904.125KB

° file name = *Img_Z_30.07.2012.TBI* | size = 2.097.152KB
---> makes 2 files, total size = 4.001.277KB.


Is your target partition FAT32? Mine is NTFS so I don't get file splitting.

My HDDs are ALL NTFS. Was my mistake to 'forget' to add the file extension  Embarrassed Quote:
Well, when it comes to select drive > I get the whole drive with all partitions.
° XP (= C:\)
°  MBR
° D:\
° E:\
° F:\
° G:\
° Entire Drive [is either at bottom or at top, can't remember]

Are you sure? You shouldn't see any drive letters at all. Just partition names. Does it say MBR or MBR with a number after it?

It says *MBR* without a number after it.

see attachment in my last post (disk management) - I've labelled each partition > you will see, that it's not the actual drives that are being displayed -
I used C:\, D:\ +++ thinking you might understand, sorry, my fault again  Embarrassed

Of course, my partitions have *names* = volume names. Also when it's rather uncommon names - it works for me to differentiate and see what's what.

Not sure -- but all in all I think the questions are much less than it used to be  Grin

Thanks very much for now.

henriette  Kiss









 

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Reply #41 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 3:34pm
 
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That is great news. Your times to image to an internal and an external HD with IFL are the same. Excellent.

The text on the IFL gui screen is small. When you have some spare time try the IFL cui version. The text is large but you can't use a mouse and you have to use the keyboard TAB in a few places. I prefer the gui version.

Your screenshot explains the MBR entry you saw. I don't use an extended partition with logical volumes but I created that setup and viewed it in IFD. On the Select Item to Backup from HD0 screen I saw...

MBR 1           Partition (02)           34162 MiB   Extended

So that MBR line is simply IFD's representation of an Extended partition. IFD uses MBR 0, MBR 1, MBR 2, MBR 3 to represent partitions without a label. But I don't understand why you don't have a number after MBR. Oh well.

I'm delighted IFL suits your needs. I've done a lot of work lately on automating IFL and getting it to boot with a menu of which partitions to backup or restore. If you are interested in the future (not now) let me know.

There are good tutorials related to IFD and IFL on this page.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/howto/index.htm


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But - the images (all of them) were backed up to the destination partition, not to the selected folder.
> I had to drag & drop the backups in(to?) the folders.

Same 'procedure' on internal and external drives.


You made a mistake. The images will go to the folder that is chosen. After selecting the Folder, double click it. Don't click Next until after the double click.

 
 
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Reply #42 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:59pm
 
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Now that you are confident in using IFL I can suggest some possible "improvements". I'll do this gradually. One suggestion at a time so you can decide if it suits you.

Instead of using Standard Compression, use Enhanced Speed - A

This is what a lot of us use. Imaging is much faster but at the expense of a slightly larger backup image size.
 
 
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Reply #43 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 5:32pm
 
To restore a single partition image to the original HD using IFL gui.

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list. (Or second internal HD if it contains the image)
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the image
tick in both boxes (the first line should finish with Partial)
Linux
ATA.... (sda)
select the partition to over-write
Yes
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Start

(even though we leave Log Results ticked, no Log is written when using a CD)

You can also restore a single partition from an Entire Drive image.
After selecting the Entire Drive image the next screen will be Select Item to Process. Select the desired partition and continue as above.

 
 
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Reply #44 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 7:31pm
 
Restoring from an IFL image written to a DVD....

(don't take any notice of the .tbi size on the DVD. It always appears to "fill" the DVD no matter how small the source partition)

Boot from the DVD containing the image. If you do nothing at the "Press space bar" message you will next see a window labelled Warning. If you click Yes the restore will take place. Easy.

If you press Space bar you will get the menu interface and be able to do a manual IFL restore. I prefer the above auto restore however I don't create images on DVDs as I have plenty of HDs.

You can test both of the above options and then choose "No" to avoid the restore.

Edit.... I assume you worked out right clicking the IFL desktop gives you lots of options including Reboot.
 
 
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