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Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk
Reply #30 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 2:13am

Brian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2020 at 5:28pm:

I don't understand what's going on with your booting files. Do you see a Microsoft boot menu when you try to boot Win10? If not then it's not using booting files in WinXP.

Are you referring to the fact that both partitions have to be restored in parallel?

The dual boot menu is very different but under normal use, I set it to go straight to Windows 10 (or 7).

Booting XP + W7, there is a boot menu immediately after the BIOS selftest.

Booting XP + W10, it kind of boots "half way" into W10 and when the blue windows flag appears, I get the choice between the two operating systems.

During the day, I shall "cross restore" the images to see what the error messages are when trying to start the system.

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Reply #31 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 5:38am

I've done a few tests:

Restoring the image of W10 and the corresponding image of XP:

After pushing the start button it takes 20 s to get a blue windows 10 flag and 60 s to get the boot choices.

I can boot either OS.

Restoring the image of W7 but leaving XP the same:

After pushing the start button it takes 20 s to get directly into W7, no option to choose which OS.

See the sceenshots of the partitions.

Windows_10_partition.jpg (154 KB | 406 )

XP_partition_with_W10.jpg (186 KB | 406 )

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Reply #32 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 5:41am

Next, restoring the image of W7 and the corresponding image of XP:

After pushing the start button it takes 20 s to get the boot choices.

I can boot either OS.

Restoring the image of W10 but leaving XP the same:

When letting W10 autostart, I get an error message telling that Windows could not boot and the cause may be alterations to hardware or software. Further down there are options to recover using the installation media.

It was possible to choose XP and it booted normally.

See the sceenshots of the partitions.

Windows_7_partition.jpg (158 KB | 408 )

XP_partition_with_W7.jpg (187 KB | 399 )

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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #33 - Jan 26^th, 2020 at 4:11am So you can boot both OS! I misunderstood. I really dislike the Microsoft boot manager but if it works for you, fine. Just a comment on times. Win10 should boot in about 15 seconds from the boot manager if Win10 is on a SSD.
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Reply #34 - Jan 26^th, 2020 at 7:17am

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So you can boot both OS!

Yes, if the images of the respective OS are restored in parallel (syncronized).

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Just a comment on times. Win10 should boot in about 15 seconds from the boot manager if Win10 is on a SSD.

I assume that your SSD is a card, not limited by the SATA 3 specs. On my Samsung, it will take a bit longer, I think.

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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #35 - Jan 26^th, 2020 at 8:32am @ Brian I have connected the SSD and it shows up in Device Manager as well as in Disk Management. Should the disk be initiated in Disk Management prior to cloning?
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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #36 - Jan 26^th, 2020 at 2:48pm @ Christer I never bother to do it. It makes no difference to the copy as any Initialised MBR will be replaced.
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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #37 - Jan 26^th, 2020 at 2:58pm The 15 seconds boot time refers to a standard SSD. A NVMe card will only be a second or two faster. Of course the time also depends on your other hardware.
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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #38 - Jan 26^th, 2020 at 3:15pm Tanks for your responses. I will soon find out how fast my system ends up to be. Do you have any thoughts on my question in Windows XP, SSD and TRIM I think the answer is "yes" but I'm not sure.
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Reply #39 - Jan 27^th, 2020 at 1:38pm

The system is up and running on the Samsung SSD. The cloning (copy disk) procedure was quite fast. The total size was 62.8 GB. The XP-partition 15.8 GB and the W10 partition 26.7 GB. The data partition had been reduced in size to 20.3 GB by moving all files above a certain age to a backup drive. It took ~7 minutes to complete the cloning.

Regarding boot times, well, I can't figure out why but it doesn't come near Brians 15 seconds. In the tests below, the boot manager in Windows 10 was set to go directly to Windows 10 thus bypassing the time delay for the options to show.

From pressing the button, POST took 15 seconds and the desktop came up after 36 seconds. Time from boot to desktop was 21 seconds (compared to Brians 15 seconds).

The original on the Hitachi HDD took considerably longer to start. POST took 20 seconds and the desktop came up after 61 seconds. Time from boot to desktop was 41 seconds.

In this simple test, the SSD is approximately twice as fast as the HDD. (The figures can be regarded as an average, there is a scatter of 2-3 seconds.)

Regarding the difference in POST time, which should be unaffected, is due to me changing the settings in BIOS for the boot order. Previously it checked the floppy, the CD-ROM and finally the harddisk. Now it checks the USB HDD and the harddisk. Maybe it makes a difference of 5 seconds?

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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #40 - Jan 28^th, 2020 at 8:57pm My one year old UEFI Win10 test computer had a boot time of 22 seconds. Gigabyte released a BIOS update "to improve Win10 boot time" and it did work. 11 seconds. The time has gradually crept up to 15 seconds.
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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #41 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 3:39am My ten years old GA-870A-UD3 (rev. 2.1) has no more recent BIOS than the one I have, released on 2011-08-01. Windows 8 is the most recent OS mentioned in the support section. It appears that ~20 seconds to boot to the desktop is not that slow.
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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #42 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 5:27am @ Brian In your second post to this thread you wrote: Quote: I use the default Options... Omit Page File Data Omit Hibernation Data Omit $Usnjrnl Data Log Results to File With a few additions, I used the same but can't find the logfile. Where is it located? Is it a textfile or only viewable from within IFL?
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Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk
Reply #43 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 7:09am

Christer wrote on Jan 29^th, 2020 at 3:39am:

It appears that ~20 seconds to boot to the desktop is not that slow.

I remembered that when installing XP, the mode in BIOS was set to IDE. I went with that setting since I didn't want to mess with installing separate drivers. (If I remember correctly, AHCI-mode also led to inconsistencies in Ghost 2003 regarding drive numbering.) When adding W7, no changes were made.

Could the "5 seconds slower" be due to the SSD running in IDE-mode rather than AHCI-mode?

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	Re: Terabyte IFL copy disk Reply #44 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 3:52pm IFL.LOG exists in ram so you can view it immediately after the procedure or copy it to a hd/SSD.
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