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Reply #15 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:40am
 
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Before I forget:
Terabyteunlimited sent an email reply >
"We don’t have a German manual, but there are translation services on the Net that may help."  Angry

Whattasupport!

Since there is no German board either, I'd prefer another reliable backup software. It's a *just in case* decision.

Can you think of any other easy to handle software ?


I've been busy searching, ordering etc., that's why I didn't reply earlier.  Kiss

Your reply #13 - 21.07.12 at 18:37:38

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you have a motherboard that has a built in Graphics Chip, but it has only an analog output--so you do not have to buy a Digital Output Graphics card for now

I bought
*Sapphire Radeon HD5450 (ATI Radeon HD5000, 16x PCIe, 512MB, DDR3 cache)*

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=917&pid=315&p...

board manual (English.pdf):
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is this the correct one ?
YES :=)
ftp://174.142.97.10/manual/ALiveNF6G-GLAN.pdf

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you switched from talking about the *communication* cable to the *power supply* cable for the floppy drive--two different things!  The floppy drive uses it own separate, specific *communication* cable--not the same as the HDD or optical drive  com cable--in older floppy drives, you could connect that cable either way in the receptacle--if you reversed it, you could fry the floppy drive and/or possibly the motherboard--newer floppy drive are *keyed* so the cable can only go one way--so be careful about that hookup!

Also, floppy drives have their own special power input connector--but most power supplies come with at least one power outlet connector for floppy drive type connectors.

Yes, I found out  Roll Eyes that the board has 2 connectors. 1 for the HDDs (master + slave) and 1 for the floppy drive.

For the optical drives (CD burner [Plexwriter 2] and DVD burner) [probably Benq or LG - will see] I bought:
*IDE ATA133 RAID Controller 2-port PCI card #n553*

Similar to this one:
http://www.logilink.eu/showproduct/PC0038B.htm?seticlanguage=de&seticlanguage=en

Got it from Ebay's, data somewhat different >
For 4 additional IDE devices, RAID is NOT for Wind 7, PCI 2.2 32bit card. Chipset = Silicon Image SIL0680.
Picture looks alike. 
Came with a tiny little wee driver CD Grin
Copied right to PC!
I just hope it's going to work reliable/bly ? < = reliablyRoll Eyes

Drivers etc for the board:

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you should be able to download everything that's needed.  Often older boards don't have any new drivers after a couple years on the market.

I downloaded the following (both for 32 bit and for 64bit Vista - no Win7 available - should work, don't you think ?):

----> 32bit:

° AUDIO_Vista64_RealtekHighDef. R2.08 (2009) > equal to vista32!
° HDD_Vista32_nonRAID SATA Drv 998 (2008)
° VGA_Vista32_VGA Drv 163.75 (2008)
° RAID_Vista32+64_NVIDIA RAID Treiber 1.12 (2008)
won't need that, would I ?


° Utility_Vista32_InstantBoot 1.13 (2008)
no idea what that's for


° Utility_Vista32_TLB Utility 1.03 (2008)
no idea


----> 64bit:

° AUDIO_Vista64_Realtek HighDef R2.08 [WDM] (2009)
° NVIDIA_Vista64_All-In-1 Drv F. NVIDIA-1111 (2008)
° VGA_Vista64_VGA Treiber 163.75 (2008)

° RAID_Vista32+64_NVIDIA RAID Treiber 1.12 (2008)
???


° Utility_Vista64_Instant Boot 1.13 (2008)
???


° Utility_Vista64_TLB Utility 1.03 (2008)
???


Now, don't ask me why, I thought I needed a driver for the chipset ...  Cheesy ... finally found *something* - is display driver for NVIDIA, though ... NVIDIA graphics card ? (will insert here for you to check)  Embarrassed
----> Win7 32bit:

° GraphicsQuestDrv_Win7-32_NvidGef6150SE-nForce430 (2012)-pcpitstop

----> Win7 64bit:

° GraphicsQuestDrv_Win7-64_NvidGef6150SE-nForce430 (2012)-Pcpitstop

You will find more info here + release notes:

http://www.pcpitstop.com/drivers/download/NVIDIA~GeForce~6150SE~nForce~430.html

Win7 - 32bit or 64bit:

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it's a tough decision--64 or 32 bit ... that's what I said I was going to do -- didn't necessarily mean you should

So, what would you advise me   Undecided

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You don't need a LAN card--that's also available as a built in on your motherboard!

Yes, I know. LAN + graphics onboard have crashed after a short time on 2 (two) of my boards. That's the main reason why I also bought:

*LogiLink Gigabit PCI Express Networkcard*

http://www.logilink.org/cmsfiles/modules/i-sell2u/showproduct.htm?isu_zeigeartik...

Reply #14 - 21.07.12 at 18:47:24

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The *XP Mode* is an emulator to run software on a Win7 64 bit system that would not otherwise run on a Win7 64 bit system.  WinXP is essentially a 32 bit system--so, yes the XP Mode will run those 32 bit programs. 

But, if you have older hardware, like scanners or printers, that do not have 64 bit drivers--even though the 32 bit XP software is running just fine in the Win7 XP Mode--you still will not be able to use those older pieces of hardware--when the XP Mode ports the output for those devices--they will have to have 64 bit drivers in Win7 if they are going to work!


Shocked Shocked Shocked

Have old printers (also in basement)- canon i560 etc., old hardware +++.
Did you mean I needed Win7 32bit to make it work ? Meaning XP32 ~ Win7 32 in XP-mode ??? Please explain ..

henriette *sold power supply & other stuff*  Wink
 

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Reply #16 - Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:39pm
 
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henriette wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:40am:
"We don’t have a German manual, but there are translation services on the Net that may help."

Whattasupport! 


Don't be offended. TeraByte Support is superbly helpful. Although often cryptic.
 
 
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Reply #17 - Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:44am
 
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Don't be offended. TeraByte Support is superbly helpful. Although often cryptic.

Okay, Brian, but what about the _missing_ support in German  Huh

If there should be any questions [no German manual or phone support] while I need to create an image, and it doesn't work (because I can't handle it) ... where should I turn to ?

I will buy *Image for DOS* GUI version if you advise me to do so. I'll do it °blindfolded°  Grin

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Reply #18 - Jul 29th, 2012 at 6:20am
 
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henriette wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:44am:
but what about the _missing_ support in German


There are no German language posts in this forum but you and I can communicate well in English.

Unlike many companies, I've found TeraByte Support will respond to questions on the same day. Usually within a few hours. There is also a TeraByte forum with helpful people.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ucf/

Drive Snapshot is a German imaging app. But it has limited functions compared with TeraByte apps. It can't restore into a smaller partition, it can't resize a restored partition and it doesn't have a cloning function. I suggest you try IFD and Drive Snapshot. See which you prefer.
 
 
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Reply #19 - Jul 29th, 2012 at 7:05am
 
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Unlike many companies, I've found TeraByte Support will respond to questions on the same day. Usually within a few hours. There is also a TeraByte forum with helpful people.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ucf/

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Drive Snapshot is a German imaging app. But it has limited functions compared with TeraByte apps. It can't restore into a smaller partition, it can't resize a restored partition and it doesn't have a cloning function. I suggest you try IFD and Drive Snapshot. See which you prefer.

I definitely won't try Drive Snapshot (crap).

Will buy *Image for DOS* after peeping into the forum there :=)

I'm positive they're nice, friendly & helpful people, as I have experienced in some other English speaking forums  Smiley

Thanks very much for helping me make a final decision.

henriette  Kiss
 

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Reply #20 - Jul 29th, 2012 at 6:51pm
 
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To make an IFD (gui) boot disk for a WinXP system...

double click makedisk.exe, next
dot in I accept the agreement, next
tick in Image for DOS (GUI), next
tick in CD Boot Image Files, next
dot in Mouse Support Enabled, next
dot in VESA Video, next
dot in Video Mode 1024*768 - 64K Colors, next
tick in Enable USB 1.1 (UHCI), next
ignore Global Geometry and MBR Options, next
ignore Additional IFD.INI Options, next
enter Producy Key (if you have one), next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc). Or USB flash drive. You can use a floppy but they are slow to load.
Finish


To create an IFD (gui) image and write it to a USB external HD

Backup
Full Backup
BIOS
Hard Drive 0 (if using a USB flash drive the flash drive might be HD0 so your first internal HD would be HD1)
select partition to backup
File Direct
USB
select partition on USB
select folder on USB and give the image a name (or accept the default name)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Standard
File Size Max
Start



To create an IFL (gui) image and write it to a USB external HD

Backup
Full Backup
Linux
ATA ..... (sda)
select partition to backup
File Direct
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select partition on USB
select folder on USB and give the image a name (or accept the default name)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Standard
File Size Max
Start


You also get IFL when you buy IFD. Some people find IFL works faster than IFD on their systems. I suggest you experiment with both.


To make an IFL (gui) boot disk for a WinXP system...

double click makedisk.exe, next
Default Settings
dot in I accept the agreement, next
enter Producy Key (if you have one), next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc). Or USB flash drive.
Finish






 
 
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Reply #21 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 2:43am
 


To create an Entire Drive image and write the image to a USB external HD... Using IFL

Backup
Full Backup
Linux
ATA ..... (sda)
select Entire Drive
Single File Set
File Direct
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select partition on USB
select folder on USB and give the image a name (or accept the default name)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Standard
File Size Max
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Reply #22 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 7:35am
 
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mpfffff ... Brian, since yesterday I'm trying to create a boot media for IFD!

Boot floppy/ies:

Manual instructions (makedisk) didn't work > asks for 2.88MB floppy!

> Knowledge base article.php?
id=138
--> °How to Run IFD From a Bootable Floppy Disk° > wrote txt into notepad (Editor) as *AUTOEXEC.BAT* [instruction reads *
A:\
AUTOEXEC.BAT* ??] - tried both + copied files to floppy. *IFD.INI* < they say "if it exists" - it doesn't exist.

Been searching the knowledge base, found several ways how to do it, using 2 floppies > while in DOS, get message "unable to open IFD.DAT". < knowledge base article.php?
id=222
-->
°Not enough space on MS-DOS Startup Diskette to Add Image for DOS°

Tried to create CD (Boot disk) - unsure what to check & what not, anyway: message: "Writing to disk did not complete successfully - there was an error *0h: 00 05 21 70*.

Had just registered in forum, when I found your notification mail  Smiley

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You can use a floppy but they are slow to load.

That would be my least problem.

I will follow your instructions below.

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To make an IFD (gui) boot disk for a WinXP system...

double click makedisk.exe, next
dot in I accept the agreement, next
tick in Image for DOS (GUI), next
tick in CD Boot Image Files, next
dot in Mouse Support Enabled, next
dot in VESA Video, next
dot in Video Mode 1024*768 - 64K Colors, next
tick in Enable USB 1.1 (UHCI), next
ignore Global Geometry and MBR Options, next
ignore Additional IFD.INI Options, next
enter Producy Key, next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc).


If that won't work, I need a real break from that program.

IF it works I'll let you know.

Thanks SO much for writing all the instructions for me - how did you know I was in trouble ...

My old printer - had to print the manual 159 pages!

note: DONALD is my old-fashioned PC ... I have no-name USB sticks that might not work. No time for experiments   Tongue

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Reply #23 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 8:16am
 
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Creating disk (CD) worked right away - yayyyyyyyyyyy  Grin

(it's the °ticks°, you know :=))

Just to let you know before I create *full backup* = *whole drive backup*. Will see how to select ALL partitions of HDD0. Might take time - preparations & such Wink

Thanks you, thank you, thank you!

henriette *will report*
 

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Reply #24 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:56am
 
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henriette wrote on Jul 27th, 2012 at 10:40am:
Can you think of any other easy to handle software ?

I've been out of town--so I'm behind on this discussion--and I don't have time this morning for responding to all the questions--I'll work on those later, but....

Just to be clear...if you adjust the Win7 installation so the System Reserve Partition (SRP) is not created, and you *generalize* the new style boot files so Win7 boots like the old style WinXP mode--then DOS Ghost 2003 works exactly the same on a Win7 system, be it 32-bit or 64-bit, as is does on the WinXP system--without any further adjustments from that point on!

The Window's based portion of Ghost 2003 probably can not be installed and work correctly on Win7--might work to some extent if 32-bit, but probably not at all for the 64-bit version.

So, DOS Ghost 2003 can be used on Win7 systems and you do not have to purchase some other software.

Having said that, if you want to move on to newer imaging software that is DOS based as well as Windows based (and Linux as well), then TeraBytes Imaging programs seem to have the best reputation--but there are many others--just depends on what features and what costs you want to pay!  I will post some references later.

If I were you, I'd seriously consider getting the TeraByte *package* deal where you have all the imaging software, DOS, Linux, and Windows based--as well as the *Boot-it Bare Metal* program--for $49.98 USD--it will give you the greatest flexibility that covers all the bases for use on different types of equipment.
 

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Reply #25 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 3:28pm
 
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henriette wrote on Jul 30th, 2012 at 8:16am:
Will see how to select ALL partitions of HDD0. 


Just put a tick in the "Entire Drive" box.

To create an Entire Drive image and write the image to a USB external HD... Using IFD (gui)

Backup
Full Backup
BIOS
Hard Drive 0 (if using a USB flash drive the flash drive might be HD0 so your first internal HD would be HD1)
select Entire Drive
Single File Set
File (Direct)
USB
select partition on USB
select folder on USB and give the image a name (or accept the default name)
leave the ticks in Omit Page File Data, Omit Hibernation Data and Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
Compression Standard
File Size Max
Start

Are you using the trial IFD or have you made the purchase?

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I have no-name USB sticks that might not work.

Use CDs at this stage as the first HD will always be Hard Drive 0. It can get confusing when the USB flash drive is Hard Drive 0.

 
 
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Reply #26 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 4:00pm
 
To restore an Entire Drive image stored on a USB external HD... Using IFL (gui)

Restore
Normal
File (Direct)
Linux
select your USB HD. It will be last in the list
select the partition
select the folder containing the image
select the image
tick in Entire Drive
Linux
ATA.... (sda) (Be careful here that you are restoring the image to the correct HD)
Yes to the Warning (There won't be a warning if the target HD is empty)
leave the tick in Log Results to File
put a tick in Validate
put a tick in Validate Byte-for-Byte
First Track Sectors AUTO
Start

On my hardware, IFL is twice as fast as IFD when using USB external HDs. Your experience may be different. IFD is slightly faster than IFL when using internal HDs.

 
 
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Reply #27 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 6:54pm
 
To restore an image stored on a Network Share... Using IFL (gui)

click net1
Auto Detect SMB Servers
select the remote computer
username
workgroup
password
select your "share" containing the image
exit menu
exit menu (again)
In IFL, select Restore
Normal
File (OS)
net1 (you might have to double click (or press Enter) this if Next doesn't work)
select your image
Linux drive interface
Target drive
etc
 
 
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Reply #28 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 7:04pm
 
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When you get more comfortable with IFD/IFL I can let you know how to install one or both to a USB external HD. Then you don't need a CD. Just boot from the external HD into IFD or IFL. Some people like this for its convenience but you get the same result as using a CD.

You can automate the process. Boot from the USB external HD and the imaging or restore starts on its own.
 
 
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Reply #29 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:00am
 
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wrote Reply #24 - Yesterday at 16:56:38

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If I were you, I'd seriously consider getting the TeraByte *package* deal where you have all the imaging software, DOS, Linux, and Windows based--as well as the *Boot-it Bare Metal* program--for $49.98 USD--it will give you the greatest flexibility that covers all the bases for use on different types of equipment.

I've purchased IFD+Linux as you might have read.

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I will report what I've done and experienced so far:

1. Tried an *entire drive* backup to external usb drive > WD 1.5GB, USB 2.0 ---> will take 23 hours - aborted.

2. created backup C:\ only, to external drive >
aaah! think I had it °uncompressed°, not sure, though  Roll Eyes

> 1:05hrs | 1 file | 4000.800kB.

3. created backup C:\ only, to INTERNAL HDD > compression "standard" > 11mnts!
2 files | "1-file" + "TBI-file" | total size of both files = 401277.
Have to check °BIOS direct° to have internal drive displayed.

3. Wrote img to DVD > writing speed "optimal" > 1:10hrs + validade disk.
Is the DVD bootable ???

All of the above by using IFD.

Brian, you recommend me external drives. The support of my present board told me that - if I connect an external drive with a real USB 2.0 cable, it would definitely run under 2.0.
I doubt it. How come it takes that long ?

Looks rather like usb 1.1. (same with other external usb drives).
BIOS is set to usb "1.1 + 2.0".

Below the link to my external drive which I used (1.5TB, 3.5")
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=260

... and copying from my internal drive to external drive is "normal" speed for usb 2.0. It's just backing up that takes forever (entire drive). That's why I'd prefer to 1st backup my entire drive to internal 2nd drive, then copy the backup to external usb drive.

both Ghost and TeraByte show 23 hrs for *entire drive* backup to external USB.

Seperate questions:

° where are the *.logs saved to ?

° For backup *entire drive*:

If I include (check/tick) MBR - will I be able to resize when restoring to a new HDD of different size ?

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Are you using the trial IFD or have you made the purchase?

I purchased IFD/IFL. (shows the price without VAT, without "extended DL service" - for minor updates only - not allowed in Europe!).

It's a pain: each time I start IFD I have to enter my Product-key.
Should be auto-stored. I mailed to the support, because I can't seem to find anything about °registering° in the manual.

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Quote:
I have no-name USB sticks that might not work.


Use CDs at this stage as the first HD will always be Hard Drive 0. It can get confusing when the USB flash drive is Hard Drive 0.

Yeah, can't handle more confusion  Grin

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To restore an Entire Drive image stored on a USB external HD... Using IFL (gui)
> instructions.

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On my hardware, IFL is twice as fast as IFD when using USB external HDs. Your experience may be different. IFD is slightly faster than IFL when using internal HDs.

I will try IFL maybe tomorrow. [other things to be done - for a change, already late afternoon].
1st I'll create the CD. Then try.

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To restore an image stored on a Network Share...
  
No idea what's that to be ...  Tongue

Reply #28 - Today at 02:04:08

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When you get more comfortable with IFD/IFL I can let you know how to install one or both to a USB external HD. Then you don't need a CD. Just boot from the external HD into IFD or IFL. Some people like this for its convenience but you get the same result as using a CD.
?????


You can automate the process. Boot from the USB external HD and the imaging or restore starts on its own.

Don't you overestimate my old board. In BIOS there are some options for 1st,2nd,3rd boot device. Don't know by heart.
We will see  ...

henriette  Smiley

P.S.:
Quite something different - don't want to start a new thread:

WHY install Windows 7 at all, when I can use XP-mode only & always! > XP-mode which I had to keep updated regularly, but no XP updates will be offered, anymore, then!
XP-mode has to be °handled° like XP. Most of my hardware AND software is incompatible to Wind 7 > I will never use it!

Now, please tell me what for  Huh

 

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