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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #15 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 9:41am
 
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I hate to say this but BIBM contains Image for DOS which leaves Ghost 2003 for dead.

Well, actually Ghost *is dead*:  http://radified.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1369841244

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That's the beauty of BIBM. You don't need to modify your OS partitions. You could simply copy each OS, in turn, to the new larger drive. Each would be an independent OS. You wouldn't have to edit boot.ini for WinXP and you wouldn't have to modify the boot files in Win7.

Don't you still have to *generalize* the Win7 boot file if you plan on using Ghost 2003 without the -fdsp switch?  One doesn't have to use the -fdsp switch as long as all restores are partition from image restores to the original HDD--Ghost 2003 will not zero the disk signature.  But, if you ever use your Win7 OS partition image to do a restore to a *whole disk*--i.e. partition to disk restore, then Ghost 2003 will zero the disk signature unless one uses the -fdsp switch.

I think you would also run into trouble if your Win7 is on one HDD, and you want to use an image of that OS to transfer the OS to a *new* HDD that you are setting up to have multiple OSs--the new HDD would have a new disk signature compared to the old HDD that the Win7 was originally installed on--wouldn't a *generalized* boot file be necessary here as well--to avoid doing a *repair*? 

And, if you do whole disk image backups, and do whole disk image restores (i.e. including all the OS partitions, hidden and otherwise), then Ghost 2003 would again zero the disk signature if the -fdsp switch is not being used--so I'm assuming that Win7 would fail to boot unless the boot file was *generalized*.

Is this not true when using Ghost 2003 even when using BIBM as a boot manager?
 

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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #16 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 9:54am
 
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roxe wrote on Sep 20th, 2013 at 5:15pm:
but don't want to spend $$ to modify boot files if I don't have to...
I'd really like to learn the hands-on method...

Well, if you have 10 OSs on one HDD, then as Brian has stated--BIBM is probably the *only* way to go!

If you only have 3 OSs that you want to use, the *std* boot setup allows for 4 possible primaries--you could use 3 for your OSs, and use *free* software to hide and un-hide the various OSs for use while the others are hidden from the *active* OS.  And that 4th primary could be set up as an extended partition--and it can hold 1, or more partitions for data storage that each of the OSs would have access to.

That's a different *topic* that we can pursue if you're interested.  But let's finish this topic first!  I'm off to work this morning, so I'll be back later to answer the other questions and comments that are hanging from previous posts.

By the way, what size(s) are your 4 HDDs?



 

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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #17 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 12:54pm
 
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NightOwl wrote on Sep 21st, 2013 at 9:41am:
Don't you still have to *generalize* the Win7 boot file if you plan on using Ghost 2003 without the -fdsp switch?


I think you are correct. If you have BIBM I wouldn't bother with "generalization" as it's a 30 second job to get Win7 booting on a new HD by using a BIBM BCD Edit. Restoring a Win7 Ghost image to the same partition on the same HD is a non issue. Easy.

I know Roxe isn't using a SSD but I don't think using Ghost would be a good option in view of the need for 2048 sector aligned partitions. With HDs, the alignment issue doesn't really matter.

If you were using BIBM with Unlimited Primaries you wouldn't be able to do a Whole Disk image with Ghost as some partitions would not be in the Partition Table. It could be done with Limited Primaries. But then again, with the IFD component of BIBM, Entire Drive images could be done with Unlimited Primaries as IFD can see partitions that aren't in the Partition Table.
 
 
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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #18 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 9:27pm
 

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By the way, what size(s) are your 4 HDDs?


120gb = 111.79gb actual
 
 
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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #19 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:01pm
 

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That's how my SSD is setup. Ten OS, each in primary partitions and each OS only sees itself and the common data partition.


So no "freebie" is needed to hide each OS from the others?

Plus... I can image w7pro using ghost 2003 and be able to reimage it to a partition and get it working with BIBM?

Down the road...
can BIBM be removed from the drive without damaging the 3 OSs, so they can be update-imaged individually with G2003 as changes take place... (since each one of the partitions show up as separate in ghost)...  and then replace BIBM and keep using the drive??

(wanna learn what BIBM can/can't do before biting my wallet...) Smiley
 
 
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Reply #20 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:26pm
 

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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #21 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:48pm
 
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BIBM is my favourite app and is installed in all of my computers. I use unlimited partitions but I don't expect you to use them. It took me 6 months before I was confident enough to leave limited primaries behind. So I'll discuss limited primaries.

Dan Goodell likes XOSL as a free boot manager. I have some good instructions if you would like to try it but I think BIBM is easier to setup and is well worth the money.

Yes, if you are limiting primaries you can just uninstall BIBM. The 8 MB partition is removed. If you are using unlimited primaries you have to reduce your primary partition count to 4 before BIBM can be uninstalled. BIBM doesn't write anything to the partitions so after uninstalling BIBM the partitions are unchanged.

You have 3 HDs with 3 OS. On your new big HD you would have 2 OS in Primary partitions, 1 OS in the extended partition along with a data partition. And the BIBM partition. You could have dozens of OS in the extended partition if you like.

When booted into Windows you will have a C: drive letter for the relevant OS and a drive letter for the data partition. All other partitions will be hidden.

Using Ghost 2003 from a boot disk you will have access to all partitions. BIBM included. You don't need to uninstall BIBM to use Ghost.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-bare-metal.htm

BIBM will do a thousand more things which aren't relevant to this discussion.

As mentioned earlier, you don't have to install OS on the new HD. Just copy the current OS to the new HD. You could use BIBM for this as it is a two click copy process. Or you could restore Ghost images.




 
 
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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #22 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:55pm
 
roxe wrote on Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:26pm:
question:  how do I do the "red" @ sign??


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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #23 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:57pm
 
@Brian...

Can I use 3 primary partitions and one extended?

#1 XP pro sp3
#2 XP pro sp3
#3 w7pro sp1
#4 extended logical-docs, logical-BIBM

is that the way?

You stated only two primaries... why?


Does the BIBM partition take one of the primaries or go into a logical by itself??


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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #24 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 11:05pm
 
roxe wrote on Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:57pm:
Does the BIBM partition take one of the primaries or go into a logical by itself??


BIBM needs a primary partition. There is no problem with copying one of your OS into a logical volume in the extended partition. Let's say you would have one WinXP and one data partition in the extended partition.
 
 
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Reply #25 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 11:10pm
 
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OK... sounding better and better...

are you willing to give me a step by step of how to do what I want with one hdd holding 2 OSs and BIBM in primary partitions... and one OS and docs in the extended logicals???

I want to partition my drive before doing this... so how does the partitioning go for this??

This way I can see how this happens and then decide to bite my wallet Smiley
 
 
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Reply #26 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 11:17pm
 
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Standby.

So your computer is a laptop? Do you have a USB caddy to hold the current HDs for the copy process to the new HD or would you rather restore images?
 
 
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Reply #27 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 11:22pm
 
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I'd rather restore images at first till I get used to this program and what all it can do...
 
 
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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #28 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 11:24pm
 
OK. Do you have a spare HD so we could install BIBM and run some tests? BIBM has a free trial for 30 days so you only have to buy it if it works.
 
 
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Re: Ghost for Win 7
Reply #29 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 11:31pm
 
Download the trial from here....

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads-bootit-bare-metal.htm

Now make a boot CD...

Unzip
double click makedisk.exe, next
dot in BootIt Bare Metal, next
dot in I accept the agreement, next
select Image for DOS (GUI), next
dot in Mouse Support Enabled, next
dot in VESA Video, next
dot in Video Mode 1024*768 - 64K Colors, next
dot in Normal, next
don't choose any Device Options, next
tick in Enable USB 1.1 (UHCI), next
tick in Align partitions on Cylinders, next
ignore Additional bootitbm.ini Options, next
select your CD burner drive letter (you can use a CD-RW or a CD-R disc)
Finish
 
 
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