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To clone or to Image, what is the difference.
May 22nd, 2017 at 10:02pm
 
My OS (Win 7 pro 64) is on a ssd  and is almost full.
I would like clone it to a larger ssd.
What would be the best cloning software to do this?
I already have backup software that's now quite dated and has been discontinued that says it can copy my drive, but not sure if it can work with two ssd drives.
 
 
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Reply #1 - May 23rd, 2017 at 3:24am
 
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Should be easy to do. Which software do you have?

First, can you post a screenshot of Disk Management as that will guide what we do next?
 
 
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Reply #2 - May 23rd, 2017 at 10:22am
 
Hi Brian,
My software is Ghost 15, I'm not sure if it's OK say anything about Ghost on this forum, I'm sorry if it is.
I haven't purchased a new ssd yet, but I planned to get a Samsung 512 GB 850 pro. which will replace my Samsung 256 GB 840 pro which only has about 20 GB of space left.
I will try to get you a screenshot tonight.
 
 
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Reply #3 - May 23rd, 2017 at 5:22pm
 
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this is a task I made with my production system when I switched from a Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB to an 850 EVO 250 GB.
It's easily operated by using the Data Migration tool from Samsung.
The important point is that it's highly recommended to connect the new SSD to the same SATA port used by the old one.
The best is obtained by using a special SATA-USB cable.
Please, read and attentively follow the user guide of the tool and you'll see that the switch is really easy!!!
Anyway, in this case a real cloning is operated; after the cloning, you can image the system at your will.
 
 
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Reply #4 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:06pm
 
Hi Mariella,

Thanks for the reply. I'll take a look at that.
 
 
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Reply #5 - May 23rd, 2017 at 8:23pm
 
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Here's the screenshot you asked for.
 
 
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Reply #6 - May 23rd, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
Sorry about my screenshot, after resizing it to fit the 200k limit there isn't much left.
Before the resize, the file size was 555k
 
 
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Reply #7 - May 23rd, 2017 at 9:17pm
 
Bill,

Your screenshot shows the OS on Disk 3 and there is only one partition on Disk 3. Is that correct?

Can you make a Ghost 15 image of that partition? Where will the image be written? Internal HD?
 
 
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Reply #8 - May 23rd, 2017 at 10:08pm
 
Hi Brian,

Yes the OS (C drive) is on disk 3.
I don't have a external enclosure for a ssd but I could buy one as it might be easier to do it that way.
I do have a Ghost image of my C: drive for use as a backup. But wouldn't the copy my drive be a true clone of the OS?
Could you give a short outline as to the difference between   Copy my drive vs Backup image? 
The backup image is on a external HDD
 
 
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Reply #9 - May 23rd, 2017 at 10:29pm
 
Bill,

There are two methods to upgrade to a larger drive. "Copy my Drive" and Image/Restore. The latter is more reliable and is my preference. You would create a Ghost 15 image of your Win7 partition, writing the image to a partition on one of your internal HDs. An image is just a file so you can write it to any partition. Then remove the old SSD and replace it with the new SSD. The old SSD isn't in the computer for the restore process. Then boot the Ghost 15 CD into the Ghost recovery environment and restore the image to unallocated Free Space on the new SSD. I'll describe the options along the way.

You don't need an external enclosure for this method. No USB HD is needed either but I note you have one.

If your Win7 image isn't recent, create a new one as you want the image to be current.

I mentioned "old SSD isn't in the computer for the restore". One of the issues with Copy my Drive is drive letter anomalies but this doesn't occur with Image/Restore.
 
 
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Reply #10 - May 24th, 2017 at 3:47am
 
Bill,

if I were you, and just to make the things easier and more reliable, I'd follow this simple basic procedure :

1 - Once you have opted for a new SSD Samsung 850 pro, please add some more bucks in order to buy the "complete version" of the SSD, including mounting bracket and a SATA-USB cable; the added kit will make your life easier and could be used in other circumstances...
2 - With Data Migration tool, and the new SSD attached through SATA-USB cable to your system, make a "clone" of your existing ssd, following the recommendations of the tool Data Migration; a "clone", as also the terms says, is a "quasi-replica" (byte-to-byte) of your old ssd (physical copy), hence including also the "wasted" space.
3 - Switch off the system, detach the old ssd and attach the new one to the same SATA port
4 - Now you should have the same system as before but with a brand new larger ssd
5 - Once the new system has benn cleaned and stable, at your will make an image, which is a non-physical "copy"
 
 
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Reply #11 - May 25th, 2017 at 7:38pm
 
Bill,

Has the new SSD arrived yet?
 
 
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Reply #12 - May 25th, 2017 at 8:38pm
 
Hi Brian,

I just ordered it today from New Egg, I had a hard time finding it in stock, most places had it 2 to 4 weeks out.
I will post a reply to this forum when I get the ssd, and I'm ready to proceed with the image.

Thanks, Bill.
 
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 8:28pm
 
Brian,

I have the new ssd (Samsung 850 pro 512GB)
I made the new partition on my 3TB internal data drive, and I saved  the Ghost 15 image there (M:Backup)
All I need to do is swap out the old drive with the new.
I assume that the new drive out of the box is unallocated space?
 
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 9:06pm
 
Bill,

Yes, the SSD will have unallocated free space without a partition. Good.

Remove the old SSD and install the new SSD. Same cables. Same SATA port.

Boot the Ghost 15 CD. If you are asked to Initialize the new SSD, Accept.
click Recover My Computer
Next
in the "View recovery point by" (drop down arrow) choose Filename 
click Browse
double click Computer
navigate to the folder containing your Recovery point
select the Recovery point
click Open
Next
click Edit
click Delete Drive (the highlighted partition doesn't exist yet)
tick Resize drive after recover or type in your desired partition size 
dot in Primary partition
tick Check for file system errors after recovery
tick Set drive active (for booting OS)
tick Restore original disk signature 
tick Restore master boot record 
OK
tick Verify recovery point before recovery (if you want this)
Next
no tick in Reboot when finished
Finish
Yes

Restart

All OK?



 
 
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