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Reply #45 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 2:48pm

Brian,

I assume that were referring to the Cloned drive. The last time, it was in the external enclosure for the test with BING. Other than that, I was taking it in and out of the tower so I could post to the internet. So now at least I can boot XP.
I have a bad feeling that the recovery points I've made from the Cloned drive are in some way corrupted, but on the other hand the Cloned drive seems to work fine, but if Ghost can't back it up, its pretty much useless, it could only sever as a temporary backup at best.
I logged on to print out your latest instructions, I'll report back.

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	Re: Big problem, advice needed. Reply #46 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 3:16pm Brian, I can't seem to find "click boot edit, add" I've looked in partition works, but I don't see it anywhere. Bill.
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	Re: Big problem, advice needed. Reply #47 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 3:20pm You have to be using BING installed on the HD. Not the BING CD. Boot Edit is the icon above Partition Work.
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	Re: Big problem, advice needed. Reply #48 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 3:36pm In Reply #26 you used Boot Edit.
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Reply #49 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 3:52pm

Brian,

Thanks for the quick reply.
I'll have to forgive me, the Cloned drive caused all of this, so to be clear.
With the Cloned drive in the external enclosure, plugged into the eSATA port. I can boot the PC and it will take me to BING, there I hit maintenance tab, there I'll see Boot edit, yes?
Sorry for being overly cautious.

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	Re: Big problem, advice needed. Reply #50 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 3:55pm Mr Moose wrote on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 3:52pm: With the Cloned drive in the external enclosure, plugged into the eSATA port. I can boot the PC and it will take me to BING, there I hit maintenance tab, there I'll see Boot edit, yes? That's correct. Assuming Win7 boots we'll clone Win7 to your 1 GB HD.
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	Re: Big problem, advice needed. Reply #51 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 4:04pm Brian, OK, I'll get back to you tomorrow. Thanks Bill.
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Reply #52 - Jul 25^th, 2010 at 4:20pm

I suspect the Win7 on your eSATA HD will present a Windows Boot Manager error screen when it tries to boot. If it does, do a BING BCD Edit on the eSATA Win7 partition in Partition Work.

In the section on "Menu Entries" in the web page, you have to edit Device and also OS Device. For the Type fields, use HD 3 and MBR Entry 0.

In the section on "Boot Entry" in the web page, you have to edit Device in Windows Boot Manager as well as Device in Windows Memory Diagnostic. Choose {boot} for both these edits.

Remember, both OS on HD 0 should be Hidden in the eSATA Edit Menu Item before you boot the eSATA HD.

Don't try to boot WinXP or Win7 on HD 0 with the eSATA HD attached.

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	Re: Big problem, advice needed. Reply #53 - Jul 26^th, 2010 at 5:21pm Brian, Yes, Win7 on HD3 (eSATA) doesn't boot. I just printed out what I need to change per your post#52 I'll make the changes and report back. Bill.
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Reply #54 - Jul 26^th, 2010 at 6:26pm

Brian,

I went though the same process as before and I changed the setting to what you asked for, making sure to hide XP Win7 from eSATA.
After I finished I tried to boot eSATA, no luck.
This time was diffrent, it said Windows is starting up, and the 4 colored dots on the splash screen started to come together, it then froze and started all over in a loop.
I went back to double check the settings, in Menu, device, I think it changed back to XP.
I wish I had a screen shot.
Is it possible that my change here didn't stick?
Also in one of the screens there were 2 win7 entry's I chose the one at the bottom.
This was setting up what was in Post#42

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Reply #55 - Jul 26^th, 2010 at 6:51pm

Bill,

That is not a Windows Boot Manager error so a BCD Edit won't fix it. With a Windows Boot Manager error you see a black screen with white text and labelled Windows Boot Manager error.

You mentioned you have seen this type of error in the past. I have never seen it so if others know the answer, please help. The following web page describes your error but in the setting of installing Win7. Have a look at it and maybe we'll try some of the suggestions if the following clone doesn't load into Windows.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/255700-31-windows-setup-hangs-setup-starting-w...

Let's try cloning the Win7 on the eSATA HD to the 1 GB HD anyway.
In Partition Work, select the Win7 partition on HD 0 and click Delete. Put a tick in Clear Boot Sector and click Yes. You will now have a large area of Free Space.
Select HD 3. Select the Win7 partition and click Copy. (in the Actions column)
Select HD 0. Select the large area of Free Space and click Paste.
Name it Win7_paste
Click OK and wait until the copy has completed. Click Close.
Disconnect the eSATA HD.
Do a BCD Edit and choose HD 0 and Win7_paste for the first two edits. {boot} for the next two.
Click Boot Edit and create a Boot Item for Win7_paste. Don't select Swap and click Hide for WinXP.
Any luck booting Win7_paste?

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Reply #56 - Jul 26^th, 2010 at 7:10pm

Brian,

OK, I've printed out #55 I'll report back.

BTW, Somewhere while searching the web I came across this, I wish I would have book marked it.

When cloning win7 it is necessary to run the Win7 repair disc 3 consecutive times on the Clone to fix something??

I don't no what this fix was referring to, but I did see it somewhere.
Does this make any sense?
I haven't tried it, but with a copy of the Clone maybe its worth a try.

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	Re: Big problem, advice needed. Reply #57 - Jul 26^th, 2010 at 7:36pm Mr Moose wrote on Jul 26^th, 2010 at 7:10pm: When cloning win7 it is necessary to run the Win7 repair disc 3 consecutive times on the Clone to fix something?? I've made lots of clones and I've never done that. But we are having no success so if Win7_paste doesn't load, try it.
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Reply #58 - Jul 26^th, 2010 at 8:04pm

Brian,

OK, I followed what you wrote, named it Win7_paste, made the Clone, closed it.
I turned the eSATA power off, I hope it was OK to do that with a eSATA drive.
After I clicked on boot edit the BING screen Icons disappeared then after about 10 to 15 seconds the boot menu popped up, but Win7_paste wasn't there, just Win7. I did delete Win7 per #57, So what just happened?

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Re: Big problem, advice needed.
Reply #59 - Jul 26^th, 2010 at 8:10pm

Mr Moose wrote on Jul 26^th, 2010 at 8:04pm:

After I clicked on boot edit the BING screen Icons disappeared

Wow. After clicking Boot Edit you have to click Add. Then fill in the details as outlined in Reply #42. You will choose from HD 0. No Swap and Hide WinXP. Name the Identity Win7_paste.

Restart if you have trouble with disappearing icons.

We'll delete that old Win7 Boot Item later.

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